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Micha 27 Jul 2018, 04:51

Hello, thank you for your replies!

@William: Yes, i think it is impossible or extremely difficult to find a surgeon in europe. But doing an lens implant in "the other world" makes me fear. I donīt want to loose my eyesight.

@CactusJack: I am outside at work for some days, but i will contact you the next days, thanks.

@Tino: Thank you for explaining your story! I donīt understand all what you write. But you have found an surgeon in London who implants lenses to you?! This is unbelievable for me. Yes i know, it costs a lot of money if you do it regularly. I have found some infos in the web, they want about 2.000 EUR for one (!) eye. It is very much money, but i think thatīs right.


Tino 27 Jul 2018, 01:54

It was a long, frustrating and often embarrassing process finding one but I've now had two procedures by the same surgeon in London, first to implant lenses to make me more long sighted and then, later, to remove them altogether to leave me aphakic.

There seems to be a few people on here who say they want a surgeon but ultimately that have no money or start to talk themselves out of it.

I would offer to help but I think I'd be wasting my time again however, good luck in your search

Cactus Jack 26 Jul 2018, 21:19


Please contact me privately at


William 26 Jul 2018, 13:30

To Micha,

You will find it difficult if not nigh impossible to find a surgeon in Europe. You may be more successful spreading the net to the developing world but even here it is difficult to find a willing doctor.

Micha 25 Jul 2018, 23:20

Hello everybody and good morning!

My name is Micha, 41 years old and i am from the middle of germany.

Since 2 or 3 years i do GOC because i like strong glasses for shortsightness very much :-) Before i wore my normal glasses which are only -0.50/-0.25dpt, so i didnīt really need to wear it.

But my very wish is to be dependent on glasses or contacts, it must be terrific! And in the meanwhile i am used to wear glasses or contacts all the time.

My glasses for GOC are -6.0dpt and i like it very much.

So my question to you all is if there is a possibility to get lenses implanted that i get "really" shortsighted? I have tried it in germany, but there is nowbody who want do it because the doctors are not allowed to do it :-( Would be nice if anybody could help me, it qould make me very happy! Thank you so much,


Lv2c4i 15 Jun 2018, 04:21

ABC's Good Morning America had a "health report" yesterday (6/14) on the risks of lasik. And last week Robin Meade of HLN's Morning Express posted a bit of video on her FBk page showing her needing to leave her anchor spot that day due to eye issues. She notes allergies and "old lasik" as the culprits as she pulls about half a dozen different eye drops from her purse.

Trent 11 Jun 2018, 18:02

Lasik's Risks Article

Tino 21 Dec 2017, 11:57


Please contact me at

I'm not near a PC very often so it may take a while to respond but you can read about my experience on this thread.

Rob 17 Dec 2017, 09:54

Hi all,

I am GOC full-time user for more than three years now, and I am looking for advice to find a surgeon to operate on healthy eyes. Can you please share your experience on this?

I have almost perfect vision and I wear +6.00 contacts to wear -6.75 glasses. I am looking for IOC surgery to obtain a prescription around -8.00. My first idea is to contact overseas clinics in Asia, as I think EU clinics are less prone to operate healthy eyes -I live in EU-. Can you please share your experience on this?

Getting IOC surgery is something I have always dreamt of, and I would like to do it in the first quarter of 2018, during a two week holidays.

Please do not hesitate to contact me to share your experience on this (

Tino 10 Jul 2017, 02:42

Stronger Glasses

I ultimately had my natural lenses removed after fist having implants but the London based surgeon I used was keen to leave as much intact as possible in order to make the process reversible.

I was referred for counselling before he would then consider removing my natural lenses.

I had this done last year and couldn't be happier

Stronger glasses 10 Jul 2017, 00:36

Hi Tino, quick Q: I have myopia of about -2.75 and also presbyopia of about 2.5. I wear varifocals.

My ideal glasses would be about -10, which would imply an ICL in the +7 to +8 range.

But I'm thinking, if you have ICL's fitted in that prescription, that means your distance close vision afterwards would have to be + whatever the new ICLs are as well as any existing correction for your close vision.

Would an RLE work better? Or are both options out of the question?

Brian 08 Jul 2017, 06:43


If you have any questions about surgery to become more myopic then I am happy to share my experiences.

Tino 08 Jul 2017, 00:55

Adam, email me at

Brian 08 Jul 2017, 00:37


It is possible but not easy to find a surgeon to operate on healthy eyes. I was lucky and have enjoyed a several years of myopia.

Cactus Jack 07 Jul 2017, 14:53


I don't know anyone in Mexico who might be able to suggest a contact. Perhaps some of our members can make a suggestion.

Some years ago, there was an Eye Surgeon in Mexico City, who performed a Clear Lens extraction on one of our members. That resulted in needing very high PLUS glasses (cataract glasses). There were complications where he temporarily lost vision, but fortunately he recovered and was able to wear glasses in the +26 range. I seem to remember that the doctor decided to not do elective eye surgery anymore.

The surgery you are requesting, Internal Contact Lens (ICL) installation, is much less serious, but any eye surgery is serious and NOT risk free.

You might check out Starr Surgical. They make a new type of implantable lens for Hyperopia (+ lenses) that would make you myopic. The h\Hyperopia lenses are not available in the US, but may be in other areas of the world.

I don't know the powers that are available. For -8.00 you would need something in the +7 to +8 range.

You may need to contact them, to find out what is available, but only say that you have Hyperopia in the +9 range and would like to get rid or contact lenses and glasses if possible. You might mention, is asked, that you live in the UK, but are willing to travel if necessary.


Adam 07 Jul 2017, 13:45

Cactus Jack,

I should have mentioned I already do GOC with -8 glasses. The problem is now that I'm seeing someone and it is getting serious. I either need to come out as a GOC wearer or have the surgery - which I would like to have because having to put in contacts everyday is a pain.

I do marketing.

Cactus Jack 06 Jul 2017, 18:24


You might be able to get some +7 or +8 Internal Contact Lenses (ICLs) installed. ICLs go between your cornea and your Iris and can be removed if you change your mind, but that would involve 2 eye surgeries.

Before you commit to any surgical procedure, may I suggest trying GOC. The reason I suggest GOC, is that it is unlikely that you will be satisfied with just wearing -8.00 glasses. Most people who want to become Myopic, want to go significantly higher, well into the double digits, but there are limits to available ICL powers. Unfortunately, I don't know what they are. With GOC, you can work your way up to wearing +20 contacts and glasses in the -28 range.

The nice thing about GOC is that you can easily change your mind and get different power CLs and Glasses. If you commit for surgery, some of the surgeries are NOT easily reversible.

May I ask your occupation?


Adam 06 Jul 2017, 14:09

Cactus Jack,

Thanks for your response.

I'm 29 years old living in the UK. I currently have 20/20 vision and would like to be at least -8.00

I have a holiday to Mexico booked this year and have heard it may be easier to have the surgery there.

Cactus Jack 05 Jul 2017, 18:35


It has been done, but it is very difficult to find an Eye Surgeon that will do it. The Oath of Hippocrates, which most doctors have taken, prohibits doing "harm". Doctors are mostly "hard wired" for making things better, not worse.

It would be helpful if you could provide your age, actual prescription, your desired prescription, and where you live.

Sometimes, if a person has BIID (Body integrity identity disorder) confirmed by a Psychiatrists, a surgeon will agree to do it.


Adam 05 Jul 2017, 14:26

Does anyone know any clinics who will insert ICLs into your eyes to make your vision worse?

Likelenses 20 Mar 2017, 00:14

Goodbye to her minus 30's

 13 Feb 2017, 18:28

The U.S. President has had Lasik

Jeni 13 Feb 2017, 17:42

My friend is friom America and she had lasik before she was with -2.00 which I don't think is that bad. She can't believe I don't want the surgery and I'm more shortsighted than she was. 20 million in how many years? Is that slot or nothing compared to the amount of people that are shortsighted

Soundmanpt 11 Feb 2017, 09:14


I have read that over 20 million people have had lasik surgery. That is a worldwide number. I don't know which country has the lead. I also read something that the rate has actually been decreasing over the past few years. They sited that there was an increases once the procedure became more perfected. So it makes sense that there was a sort of rush for getting it done. But once all those people that were holding off until they felt it was safer got it done the rate would go down some. And since eye wear has become quite a fashion statement for many women and actually I think more women was getting lasik than men anyway for vanity sake. But now many boutique store have several racks of fake glasses just for fashion. That clearly has had some effect on the number of people getting lasik. For many the price is still an expense they can't afford. And lastly many are scared of the surgery.

Jeni 11 Feb 2017, 03:29

How many people get lasik? Which county is it most popular to get it in? I'm shortsighted and don't want the surgery it didn't bother one to wear lenses. I read many people have it in America so don't wear glasses anymore

 12 Nov 2016, 12:35

Interesting story from the Instagram

girl was initially moderate myopic

then she has been diagnosed with glaucoma and her natural lens surgically removed

and now she is aphakic with moderate plus glasses (but not as high because she was nearsighted before)

and here is her comment about her visual acuity

So glaucoma is not a rare disease, right. But is this a real chance for someone like Tino to become aphakic? Or that particular case is unusual

Soundmanpt 31 Oct 2016, 11:00


I don't think glasses will ever just be a think of the past for several reasons. First off there are some people that have corneas that are too thin to be able to do lasik on. There are also a god number of people that fear the whole idea of getting the surgery done. Then as long as the insurances don't start paying a much bigger portion of the surgery for many the cost is too high. And in recent years many women now consider wearing glasses a fashion accessory. I even read recently that the number of people getting lasik has actually dropped quite a bit recently as well. There even seems to be a good number of people that after having lasik start missing their glasses and regret having had it done.

Alex 31 Oct 2016, 02:08

Now is the record number of people with myopia ever but there are a lot of people having lasik, do you think glasses will be a thing of the past if people continue to have the surgery or is there too many people out there so glasses will always be worn?

Tino 24 Sep 2016, 01:08


I guess my need is more about being aphakic and requiring the correction than simply the glasses and that's maybe why I ended up having two procedures when one would have done if I'd been clearer about my goals.

Although there is a common theme, I'm sure everyone is different and, as your name suggests, perhaps the interest that brings you to Eyescene is more about the glasses than mine and I have now come to understand that these are just part of my own need. Therein lies the lesson too.... if you find yourself in the situation where surgery is an option, I can't stress the importance of establishing what your true motivation and objectives are in order to ensure you stand the best chance of achieving your underlying desire. Although I thought I knew and was sceptical at first it's testimony to the counsellor's craft that I believe this is now 100% understood in my case.

In short, having had the IOLs fitted I felt scarcely different to when I was doing GOC but now I have a different feeling which is hard to explain but essentially I feel fulfilled and complete. And it's much less uncomfortable explaining to optometrists!

Likelenses 23 Sep 2016, 17:28


I am confused. Why did you go through two surgeries to become severely hyperopic,and now wear contacts rather than glasses.

Tino 23 Sep 2016, 01:53


It was just down to my own stupidity I guess and perhaps not thinking the whole thing through properly....

+8 was the GOC prescription I'd always used so this is what I requested and, when asked later, I simply said I had had cataracts removed but kept my original prescription as a matter of choice.

You're right in that then justifying this during examinations was a bit uncomfortable and, along with an overwhelming desire to be aphakic, led to me going back to the same surgeon and asking for the implants to be removed. On his request I had some counselling where we discussed BIID and the impact of not being straight with my family etc. I'm just grateful that the counsellor and surgeon seemed to agree that surgery was the best option as I really was depressed about the prospect of having to live with any sort of lens in my eyes for the rest of my life.

In hindsight I should of course gone for the extraction straight away but I was confused about my true desire and I'm not the sort of person to opt for counselling without being told to. Not only would this have saved me a significant amount of money, the second procedure was harder to get over and of course I would have enjoyed the sense of completeness I now enjoy for the previous 3 years.

The increase in prescription to +11.5 in nice but wasn't my main motivation and, while I love the look of my glasses (particularly sunglasses), I have recently got contacts and spend a lot of time wearing these and just use reading glasses for close work

NJ 21 Sep 2016, 08:23

Sorry, that last post was for Tino, not LXW.

NJ 21 Sep 2016, 08:22

LXW, forgive me, did you have ICLs put in that were too low power? Just wondering why you didn't go for the much simpler surgery of a clear lens extraction, without IOL or ICL. You would have gotten a higher plus prescription and you won't have to answer the question from every optometrist on why your ICLs are so underpowered.

LXW 21 Sep 2016, 06:09

Hello Tino, thanks for your message! Nice to hear that everything is ok and you are happy now. It must be a dream for you...

I have worked hard in the last months, but unfortunately there is to surgeon who will put ICLs in my eyes, itīs a drama and very sad for me. But i am looking forward to "follow you" and get my dream come true - one day!

Tino 05 Sep 2016, 00:34

Nothing really to update, but if you're interested...

I ordered new glasses based on my current prescription but these are only OK (but better than the GOC ones I had been using) as I was told it would be 6 weeks before it 'settled down'. I've got a final consultation next week with my surgeon so I can hopefully be discharged and will then go for a second test so I can indeed see properly.

All in all though, I'm loving it

Likelenses 03 Sep 2016, 22:10

Very odd that Tino has not updated us.

I hope it is not because he is unable to see after the surgery.

LXW 03 Sep 2016, 06:16

Hello Tino, time is running, one month is gone... Please let us know if everything is good on your side. Hope the healing process has ended good.

Best wishes, Alex

LEOinPERTH 06 Aug 2016, 04:55


+11 +12 Would be a dream come true for me !!!

Hope all goes well ,Tino .

Take care

LXW 06 Aug 2016, 00:09

Tino, everything sounds good and prism in glasses are really nice! I hope your eyes will heal very good in the next days. You did the right steps for your life.

Please tell me, is there a little bit of light at the end of the corridor for people like me and other here? You recall what i want for my eyes? Some lines below is a description about my big dream :-)

Thanks for all, Alex

Tino 05 Aug 2016, 02:05

I reckon it's about +11 or +12 which is a bit less than anticipated but that's not really the point. I have very little accommodation and have already experienced my eyes turning out so may well need a nice bit of prism as well as an add.

One eye was done 10 days ago and is healing nicely but the second was only done this week and is still too scratchy and misty to allow me to get an eye test done. In hindsight I never should have got the IOLs fitted a few years back and gone straight for removal as in all honesty that was always my objective.

LXW 05 Aug 2016, 01:26

Yeah Tino, congrats from my side too!! I am so happy to read that you have made your dream come true :-)

Please tell us more, it could be very interesting for us.

Thank you, Alex

hyperaficionado 05 Aug 2016, 01:00

@ Tino - congratulations!

Very nice. So what's your rx now?



Tino 05 Aug 2016, 00:14

Aphakic at last

helpful 01 Jun 2016, 23:23

Briangwebber posted a great deal on ES over the years on his experiences but recently has not been contactable. Any stalwarts here any news whereby i might contact him

LXW 24 Apr 2016, 23:55


Yes i know, but it seems that nobody is writing here about the results of searching for an surgeon. So Tino is the "little light" for me and i hope he will achieve his goal very soon! Oh, you want to go really "high" with -20 diopters, thatīs a big step. For me the range from -6 to -10 diopters would be a dream! This is the range i do GOC and i am very satisfied with it. We can also exchange by mail. MTN (a) gmx dot net - this is where anybody can reach me. I hope very much that Tino will give me some lines.

Thanks, Alex

bracesfan 21 Apr 2016, 23:04


Surely there are much more of us seeking for such change of their vision. My logtime, hardly real, dream is myopia about 20 diopters. Loving lenticulars I have tried a bunch of surgeons but no success. Nice to see there is at least one understanding our feelings.

LXW 21 Apr 2016, 09:02


Thank you so much for your post. It sounds very good to me and i see a little light in the end of the corridor :-) So i think it is also possible for the surgeon to implant plus lenses into my healthy eyes. Perhaps my dream will come true...

I hope you will achieve your goal very soon! I know how you are feel at the moment.

Ok, i understand your decision. But it would be very nice if we can stay in contact, you are my last hope at the moment. Perhaps we can exchange our mail adresses if it is possible here. Or instead you can contact "Cactus", he knows about my "problem" and has my adress.

Thanks for all, Alex

Tino 20 Apr 2016, 11:11


I had a procedure in London 3 years ago to implant minus lenses into my otherwise healthy eyes to make me +8 which was a total success but my goal has always been to be aphakic and recently I have sought to obtain further surgery.

I'm currently consulting with the same surgeon who is reknowned and respected in this field with a view to achieving my goal and, as part of that also speaking to a counsellor who specialises in BIID.

The issue I have is that the lensectomy and vitrectomy I would need to have are much less reversible than the lens exchange so there is a greater reluctance on the surgeons part but, at a cost and after the specialist counselling, I'm hopeful that by the summer I will have achieved my goal.

The surgeon did say before that he was willing for me to refer people to him and while, as I'm sure you'll understand, I want to ensure my own research and efforts aren't jeopardised first, I will be in a position to think about sharing the details of both the surgeon and the counsellor once I have had the surgery

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