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Adrian 31 Oct 2017, 13:30

Weirdeyes, I wear a plus 19 cls in my left eye and then minus 14 glasses. The astig of 3 degrees is corrected in the glasses as well as the 8BO prisms.

With cls only I get serious double vision, mainly as cross eyes are only corrected by glasses. In my experience it is very difficult to get images the same size.

I am able to play sports with my glasses securely held in place with a strap. I plan to play in uni teams next year.

My left eye is stable but the right eye's Rx is changing pretty fast. I am about to try RGP lens which will be easier in the mornings and also made in stronger powers if my right eye worsens.

Weirdeyes 31 Oct 2017, 11:00


Due to axial length changing image size some people with large differences their eyes do better with glasses. I think Adrian mentioned having image size differences when he only wore contacts.

NNVisitor 31 Oct 2017, 09:01


If you havn't already been assessed by an opthalmologist with experiance in finding solutions for people with large differences between the vision needs to see clearly in each eye you should be. If you have already been contact the Dr. who assessed your eyes.

Contact lenses provide very close to natural vision. Well hopefully that is the result. If not you should find out why you are having problems with them. Eyeglasses due to their distance from the eyes create smaller images for minus lenses and larger images for plus lenses thus glass glasses alone would create a huge size disparity between your two eyes. Best of luck going forward but remember that you do need the right assessment by a professional to find the best solution for you.

Weirdeyes 31 Oct 2017, 00:10


What glasses and contacts combination do you wear?

Plusminus 30 Oct 2017, 23:33

I dont know how i can induce myopia with my current rx

Adrian 28 Oct 2017, 10:21

I wear a combination of contacts and glasses. Best for me is a contact in the left eye then glasses on top with similar strength lenses.

Contacts in both eyes gives double vision as the images are different sizes and in addition my eyes turn in.

No glasses is difficult. Right eye is a blur. Left eye out of focus but clearer than the right. I put a contact in asap.

My Rx is changing so Lasik not possible at present.

Plusminus 28 Oct 2017, 02:12


How is your vision without glasses?

Im OD -1.0 OS +1.0. My vision is fine without glasses, but i like wearing them. And i always like to be more nearsighted

Weirdeyes 27 Oct 2017, 23:13


Wow that's intense. Can you wear glasses or do you have to wear contacts? Would you ever get lasik to reduce your difference?

Adrian 27 Oct 2017, 22:43

My right eye is minus 14, left eye plus 7.

Plusminus 27 Oct 2017, 17:53

Anyone here have antimetropia?

NNVisitor 19 Oct 2017, 20:23


If you love the blur then don't wear your contacts or glasses for an hour or longer daily. Find a partner who's quite nearsighted and wears glasses. Then you'll be around stronger glasses without the overcorrection induced headaches. If your prescription has not yet stabalized with all the reading you do you probably will have a need for stronger glasses in the future and the -3.50 will be closer to your actual prescription then. Problems solved.😀😀

Cactus Jack 19 Oct 2017, 18:52


I understand. I was not trying to be nosey, but looking for clues. I hope that the explanation was useful. I don't think there is any risk in wearing the -3.50 glasses or even a bit higher as long as the headaches are not persistent. If you want to discuss any of this privately you can contact me at


BlurLover 19 Oct 2017, 18:31

I dont wear those -3.5 over my contacts—im sure that’d be too much correction. No double vision ever. Thats all the info I want to provide, apologies.

Cactus Jack 19 Oct 2017, 07:05


In your late 20s you should have plenty of Accommodation Range to easily and comfortably deal with -1.00 over correction (-3.50 instead of -2.50). Accommodation Range is a measure of your ability to focus at all distances. That ability gets reduced as we age by what is called Presbyopia.

Presbyopia actually starts in childhood, but does not typically become a problem until the late 30s or early 40s. While late 30s to early 40s is typical, Presbyopia can occur at any age, depending on your genetic makeup and visual environment.

Presbyopia is the gradual stiffening of the Crystalline Lenses, which are 1/2 of your auto-focus system. The other half is the Ciliary Muscles (focusing muscles in your eyes). For their size (tiny) they are the strongest muscles in your body. Their job is to squeeze your Crystalline Lenses to increase their PLUS power when you need to focus closer than say 20 feet or 6 meters.

Usually, the Ciliary Muscles get plenty of exercise and are strong, but uncorrected Myopia has the same effect as having built in PLUS reading glasses. In your case, because you normally need -2.50 correction, when you are NOT wearing -2.50 contact or glasses, you have in effect +2.50 built in reading glasses, which is the ideal power for reading at 16 inches or 40 cm. That means that your Ciliary Muscles get no exercise, get weak, and you have the symptoms of Presbyopia.

If your Ciliary Muscles are out of condition, you will often have Headaches when you try to read or focus close because your Ciliary Muscles are "straining". Think of that situation as similar to lifting weights at the gym. When you first start with even light weights, your muscles will be sore the next day.

If you have been regularly reading with -2.50 contacts or glasses, your Ciliary Muscles should be getting enough exercise to stay in condition.

There can be other causes of headaches and I am playing detective with very few clues. Please try to be a bit more forthcoming. If you would prefer to discus this in private, that can be arranged. A few more looking for clues questions

1. When you wear the -3.50 glasses, are you also wearing the -2.50 contacts?

2. Do you ever experience double vision, even briefly?

3. If so, what are the circumstances?

4. Where do you live (country)?

5. What is your gender?

To answer your question about "risking lazy eye or other weird shit", probably not.


BlurLover 19 Oct 2017, 05:59

I usually wear contacts. Glasses only 2 or 3 days a week and at night. I am late 20s. Lots of close work.

Cactus Jack 19 Oct 2017, 00:03



May I ask a few questions?

1. Your Age?

2. Your Occupation?

3. Do you do a lot of close work particularly, with smartphones or tablets?

4. When you read with your -2.50 glasses do you leave your glasses on?


BlurLover 18 Oct 2017, 19:01

I am -2.50 in both eyes and just bought some -3.50 zennis. I really love the way they look and feel. I am getting a bit of a headache though. Is that normal?

Also—Im bot risking lazy eye or other weird shit, right?

Otherwise I’m lovin this blurry life.

Cactus Jack 17 Oct 2017, 23:31


There is an interconnection in your brain between the Focus Control System and the Eye Position Control System that causes your eyes to converge when you add Plus to focus close. You have to add Plus to compensate for the -10 and that interconnection causes your eyes to try to converge. It is not uncommon for one eye to turn inward more than the other.

Have you had an eye exam recently?

What is your current complete prescription?

Have you had any double vision problems with the -10s?


Josh 17 Oct 2017, 21:12

I have been following the thread a while ago and i raised my myopia from -3 to -4 by constantly using stronger pair of glasses .. Now i am using a -10 in fact but when i looked in the mirror one day recently i noticed that my left eye isn't looking straight forward, don't know at which point of time it happened really .. I am back to my old glasses as of today but i want to know is there a solution for this lazyeye or i should just live with it

NNVisitor 24 Sep 2017, 22:06


How could your wife not know she's wearing strong glasses? The -7 lenses look strong and are far stronger than -3 glasses. Was it your wifes idea to induce more myopia? Who supplied her the -7 glasses?

If your wife has her eye exanination at the same office all ECP working there will have access to her chart and what she was previously prescibed? If it's a different ECP at a different office they won't and will rely on her current glasses as a base to proceed from.

Cactus Jack 24 Sep 2017, 05:31


The reason I asked that question is that all Eye Care Professionals (ECPs) maintain records of their patients. If she went to the same oculist as before wearing glasses significantly different than previously prescribed, there would be questions asked.

If it is a different oculist, it does not mater as much.

You have not mentioned your wife's age or the reason for the eye exam. Both are important for answering your question. The fact that you asked the question 2 days before the exam makes it almost impossible to come up with an answer that will make sense to the ECP.

If it is a different oculist, just have here wear the -7.00 glasses or some that are just a little weaker.


mm 23 Sep 2017, 22:45

I think not.

But my wife remembers the sight defect.

and rather she does not know that she now wears -7 diopters

Cactus Jack 23 Sep 2017, 05:44


Is she going to the same oculist that prescribed the -3.00 glasses, I assume 2 years ago?


mm 23 Sep 2017, 03:21

For 2 years my wife induced -7.0 ( She does not know she wears strong glasses )

The last recipe is -3.0

On monday she goes to oculist.

What glasses should she wear?

What will the eye test show?

Cactus Jack 16 Sep 2017, 07:40


Yes. While it is called Pseudo Myopia, optically, it is really Myopia. The difference between Axial or True Myopia and Pseudo Myopia is the cause of each and how permanent they are. Pseudo Myopia is considered to be temporary. How temporary depends on many factors such as age, how long you have been overcorrected, how much you have been over corrected, etc.

One thing to remember is that optically, Pseudo Myopia and Latent Hyperopia are actually the same thing. Both are caused by the inability of the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses to quickly relax to their minimum PLUS power. Which you have depends on your actual refractive error and the amount of residual extra PLUS you have induced.


Greg 15 Sep 2017, 21:33

If i induced pseudomyopia, will it show in the autorefractor? Thanks!

Soundmanpt 04 Sep 2017, 13:22


Also it isn't near as easy trying to order contacts on line as it used to be. Also contacts will cost much more as well because you can buy a very nice pair of glasses on line from Zenni ( for as little as $6.95. You're clearly only talking about contacts because your shy about wearing glasses. That's the first thing you need to get over with. If you can see perfect wearing your -1.75 glasses just start wearing them a little more each day until you're able to wear them from morning til bedtime in front of everyone and not feel shy. Simply look around at how many people you see wearing glasses. It's not a big deal for anyone to see you wearing glasses.

Forget about wearing contacts. Like Cactus jack said contacts aren't that easy to wear. It even takes days of wearing for your eyes to even get somewhat comfortable wearing them.

Cactus Jack 04 Sep 2017, 07:43


Either one will work, but glasses are much more convenient.

If you have never worn contact lenses, you need to get the first pair professionally fitted and you need instruction in the proper hygiene and care of the contacts. The reason for that is that while soft contact lenses are very forgiving, you still need to get the correct Brand, Diameter and Base Curve to fit your Corneas. Contact lenses float on a film of tears Incorrectly fitting contact lenses can block the tear film.

Your Corneas DO NOT have a blood supply. They get their Oxygen from the air and oxygen and nutrients from your tears. Your Corneas are living tissue and must have both.

Poor fitting or hygiene can result in permanent damage to your Corneas. Even if you do not need vision correction, you can get color changing or costume type contacts that include the Diameter, Base Curve and instruction.


Henry 04 Sep 2017, 05:18


when you prefer glasses, do all in glasses and wear them !


antonio 04 Sep 2017, 03:53

Hi Nichola,

seems you are already a little shortsighted,

for how long or how often have you worn your -1,75 pair already ?

I think wearing glasses or contacts doesn´t make any difference,

best regards, antonio

Nichola 04 Sep 2017, 01:21

Yes when I wear my glasses everything is very clear and eyes don't get tired. When I'm not wearing my glasses I do miss them now. I feel really need them on cloudy day and and night because it's brighter wearing them. What is the fastest way to get miopia contact lenses or glasses?

Cactus Jack 03 Sep 2017, 07:52


There are two kinds of Myopia. Axial or True Myopia and Pseudo or False Myopia. Axial Myopia is caused by excessive eyeball growth and is considered permanent. Pseudo Myopia is caused by the Ciliary Muscles having difficulty relaxing after focusing close for a long time or wearing glasses with more Minus than you actually need. Pseudo Myopia is considered to be temporary, but temporary can be a long time if you continue to wear more Minus than you need.

At 28, it is very rare for Axial Myopia to occur, unless you are genetically inclined to be Myopic or in the case of women, you become pregnant.

You can probably induce some Pseudo Myopia, until Presbyopia creeps up on you and limits the ability of your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses to compensate for wearing more Minus than you need.

My suggestion is similar to Soundmanpt's. You need to wear Minus glasses, every hour you are awake. When you wear Minus glasses you are actually training your Ciliary Muscles to be stronger. In some ways it is like strength training at the gymnasium. You start with small weights and many repetitions, then gradually increase the weight (prescription). The -0.50 to -1.75 is a good start. When the -1.75 get comfortable, increase to -2.50. How far can you go, it depends on your motivation and some physical limits of your accommodation. The practical limits for most people in their mid to late 20s is about -12.00 over their actual prescription, but hat takes lots of work and effort.

If you start wearing your glasses full time, thereC. will be a day or two where you will be asked about your glasses, but that is usually the end of it. In some ways, it is like getting a new pair of shoes or a different hair style. You can even start with the -1.75s if you want. Few people notice the prescription, but notice the frames. If you are asked about your prescription, just tell them that you were surprised by the amount of correction you needed. You thought your vision was OK until you got an exam. It is great how well you now see distant signs etc. with your glasses.


Fred 03 Sep 2017, 05:54


you can discuss with Soundmanpt and others

all this in

best regards,


Nichola 03 Sep 2017, 00:22

So if I wear my -1.75 glasses all the for a few months then get news ones at -2.50 maybe in a year I could be wearing -3.00? So would I reley on glasses? Can I never be shortsighted? Can people get shortsighted when they get old or is it only longssighted?

I buy the cheaper lenses so my glasses look stronger

Soundmanpt 02 Sep 2017, 13:30


First of all you need to decide what you really want and then be totally committed to your decision. But for what it's worth at 28 years old you really don't have much of a chance of inducing any real myopia anyway. But if want to wear glasses stronger than you need, like you're already doing, you can certainly continue to do that. So I would suggest if you want to be a glasses wearer you need to get over being shy about it and just start wearing your -1.75 glasses full time and not just around the house and for driving. Just tell people you had your eyes tested and you now need to be wearing glasses. No one is going to question you about your wearing glasses. At first when friends see you wearing glasses they are only going to complement you on how nice you look wearing glasses. A few may even ask to try them. Remember they know nothing about glasses so let them try them. That prescription is not all that strong so they shouldn't question you about your glasses. After maybe 8 months if you want to wear stronger glasses go for it. It's very common for people to change their glasses after that long. But even wearing your glasses full time or part time your eyes aren't going to change from being -.50.

antonio 02 Sep 2017, 13:09

Hi Nichola,

if you have already been tested to need glasses of -0,5

it´s a really good idea to wear those when driving by night.

And of course if you like you can also wear them by day.

Probably after some time you need an increase anyway as we all often do,

so why not just start with your -0,5 wearing them right away all the time if you do like wearing glasses ?

best regards, antonio

Nichola 02 Sep 2017, 10:31

I've wanted to wear glasses for a few years but always been shy to start wearing them. I don't need glasses because I had my eyes tested and only got -0.50 myopia. I bought a pair of glasses with -1.75 and can see perfect but I only wear them in my house and when I drive at night. I'm thinking of wearing all the time but am I being stupid because I have good eyesight? Also I've tried wearing -4.00 all day and it was ok that's the prescription I would like to wear but I'm 28 years so wish I started wearing glasses some years ago. Can I wear contact lenses for some months and get shortsighted? Also at what prescription should I stop at?

Cactus Jack 05 Aug 2017, 11:03


If you seriously want to Induce Myopia, you need to get familiar with how vision and optics work, if you want your efforts to be successful.

You really need a good eye exam and a COMPLETE prescription to have a starting point for increasing your SPHERE power.

Here are a couple of tips to help you get started.

1. Prescriptions are customarily written with the Right Eye first. Sometimes they are written with abbreviations for the Latin names:

OD (Oculus Dexter) (Right Eye): Sphere, Cylinder, Axis, Prism, Add

OS (Oculus Sinister) (Left Eye): Sphere, Cylinder, Axis, Prism, Add

Prism and Add may not be listed if they are not required.

If Cylinder is listed, it ALWAYS has the Axis listed. They absolutely have to go together. The Axis number specifies the direction of the Long Axis of the Cylinder correction. By convention, 0 degrees is horizontal and 90 degrees is vertical. The numbers start at 0 degrees and increase in a counter-clockwise direction, looking at the patient, from 0 to 179 or 180 degrees. 0 and 180 are the same direction. Axis numbers above 180 are not used, because there is no need.

There is one very important rule for Inducing Myopia. You only change or increase the SPHERE number. Never the Cylinder or Axis. You copy those EXACTLY.

To order glasses, you need your Pupillary Distance (PD). It is easy to measure, if you don't have it. Your PD determines where the Optical Center (OC) of the corrective lenses are located.

Inducing Myopia is a bit like lifting weights at the Gymnasium. You start with a light weight and do lots of repetitions. For Inducing Myopia, you start with a small increase in Sphere. Say -1.50 or -2.00 over your actual prescription. Then wear them every waking hour. When you get comfortable wearing those, you increase the Sphere by another -1.00 or perhaps -2.00 and wear those until they are comfortable and repeat the process until you reach your goal.

If you have any astigmatism, you need to maintain that exact correction. It is counter productive to ignore it. The additional minus Sphere can be corrected internally, which is desirable. Astigmatism must be corrected externally with glasses or contact lenses or it will affect vision at all distances.

Do you have a goal?


Desperate  05 Aug 2017, 09:58

I didnt get the -rescription from the check up today but my old prescription before i wore the -2 glasses online was -0.50 -0.50 on the right and -1.00 -0.50 on the left. Im a psychology student in thailand

Cactus Jack 05 Aug 2017, 09:16


Did you get a prescription? That is where everything starts. What is your complete prescription?

May I ask a few more question?

1. What is your occupation?

2. If in school, what level and what is your primary field of study?

3. Where do you live (country)? That can affect our suggestions.

If you are serious, you probably need to increase your prescription, but you need to do it the right way.

There are two kinds of Myopia. Axial or True Myopia and Pseudo or False Myopia. They have two different causes, but the effect is the same. You need to wear MINUS glasses.

Axial Myopia is caused by excessive growth of the eyeball and it is considered permanent. Pseudo Myopia is caused by the Ciliary Muscles having difficulty fully relaxing after being stressed for a long time. It is considered temporary, but temporary can be a long time if you keep them under stress. It is believed that if you are young enough and your genes will permit it, Pseudo Myopia can cause production of an as yet un-isolated or unidentified Eyeball Growth Hormone which leads to increased Axial Myopia.


Desperate 05 Aug 2017, 08:54

The -2.00 isnt my real prescription. I justbought the pair online in hopes that it would make memore nearsighted

antonio 05 Aug 2017, 08:47


if your -2 glasses help you more to see clear than her suggestion

you should wear

then wear your -2 pair ?

best regards, antonio

Desperate 05 Aug 2017, 08:43

Helli good eve! I have been reading the threads here lately. I have been wearing a -2.00 glasses for months now (its not my real prescription). There are times when i dont wear them and i was pretty sure that i got nearsighted a bit. Also, i get headaches when not wearing them. Anyway i got my eyecheck up today and she told me that i dont need any nearsighted correction and i onlyhave astigmatisms. Also i think that my left eye is more blurry but she said that my right eye is what needs more correcti0n. Also, when she let mewalk around with the lenses they arent as clear as when i got my true glasses. What can i do to be truly nearsighted? Im 19 years old

Soundmanpt 14 Jun 2017, 12:15


I thought you understood that in order to get to around -2.00 that it is necessary that you wear considerably stringer glasses. But you seemed a bit disappointed in how strong your glasses look now compared to your -1.75 glasses. I think the prescription (-2.00) which you really want your prescription to become is a perfect prescription for you. Not too strong and not too weak so your glasses shouldn't look too strong or too weak.

What exactly will you be doing in that class? Are you still a little worried about it? Will it involve refracting your eyes?

Yes your advice is better than your parents for your sister. She certainly doesn't need her glasses for seeing anything close which of course means things like reading and doing homework. But her prescription is strong enough that i'm sure she can't see distances very well at all. Of course there is no way to know when her eyes started becoming nearsighted but she would have had a real problem seeing the board at school if she didn't get glasses. If she wears them at school I think she will soon start keeping them on most all the time. Her eyes are going to adjust to them and she won't like how blurry everything is when she takes them off.

oopsI 14 Jun 2017, 09:08


I'm aware that I need a higher prescription in order to increase to a level I want and I don't mind the -3.5's a lot or anything. But this confirmed that I do want to stick to my original plan, which is nice to know. Also I know -3.5 is still moderate, what I meant to say was that I like the look mostly up to -3's which would probably be low to moderate, I don't know.

The objective refraction will happen in a class and I'm hoping to partner with a friend whom doesn't know much about glasses, lol.

I'm not telling my sister to take her glasses of for anything, don't worry. She wears them in school and when she's on her bike and takes them off any other time. Parents wanted to make her wear them all the time, but I told them that it really doesn't matter at her age and prescription and if she feels comfortable without them she should just take them off.

Soundmanpt 13 Jun 2017, 18:32


I'm sure compared to your -1.75 glasses in the very same frame, your -3.50 glasses do look considerably stronger now. The lenses are thicker and your eyes appear much smaller now. But there still really only considered as "moderate" power. Remember the whole purpose of wearing stronger glasses now is to accelerate the process of inducing real myopia. Wearing your -1.75 glasses won't ever get you close to being at -2.00 which you want to end up at. You can only induce approximately half of the value of the glasses your wearing. So that would be right at -1.75 or maybe even -2.00. But either way you could certainly wear -2.00 glasses if you want. So I just went back and looked up a few things and back in may you were concerned about objective refraction and said that it could be awkward. has that come and gone or is that coming up? Is that a class or a vision check?

Well it seems we were both about right about what prescription your sister might need for her glasses if she in fact needed glasses. She is off to a pretty good start considering she is only 13 and she is almost certain to be needing an increase every year from now until she is in her mid twenties. She's really not far off from needing her glasses full time now even. I know you're trying to keep her eyes from getting worse by telling her not to wear them except when she needs them. But it really isn't going to change anything if she were to wear her glasses full time, that is with the exception of when she is reading or doing other close work which would be better for her to remove her glasses for, or if she does as you have encouraged her to do. So only wearing them in school isn't really enough because she can't see very well outside of class without glasses. And the more her eyes adjust to her glasses in class the ore she is going to notice how blurry things away from class are going to be. You really don't want her to be straining her eyes either. Let her decide if she is more comfortable wearing her glasses or not. Like I said wearing her glasses isn't going to make her eyes get worse, but the truth is her eyes are going to get worse and you can't do anything to stop it from happening. Does she seem okay with wearing her glasses? Has she adjusted to them yet or is she still getting used to them? She almost certainly is going to be more nearsighted than you will be.

oopsI 13 Jun 2017, 12:19


I'd actually like the glasses to look a little less strong, I must admit. As I stated in the beginning I like a low to moderate prescription best. I know -3.5 isn't super heavy or anything, but I think I'd like it best to wear something around a -2. I loved the look of the -1.75's.

I thought my vision hadn't really changed yet, but that was because I haven't compared my actual prescription with the -1.0's recently. When I take the -3.5's off it feels like I have perfect vision after a few seconds, but I think that might be because I'm getting more used to blurry vision because with this amount of overcorrection my vision does get more blurry when I'm not trying to focus on anything. I don't mind, though, because pseudo myopia's not what I'm trying to achieve in the long run. Anyways, I compared my old glasses and the -1's today and it was obvious that I'm seeing better with the -1's now. I think I might be at a -.5 or something by now, which would be nice.

My sister got her eyes checked and got a pair of glasses that she uses in school (she's at sph -1.25 and -1) and said they make a big difference when looking at the board. She doesn't wear them when she doesn't need them which is something I encourage in order for her prescription to not go up a lot. We'll see.

love, Linda

Soundmanpt 12 Jun 2017, 12:28


So good to hear from you again. I was wondering about you since you weren't around for a while. I was wondering how your eeys were doing with adjusting to the stronger glasses. You were basically wearing your -1.75 glasses as your everyday glasses so going from -1.75 to -3.50 is quite a jump for your eyes to adjust to. So i'm really glad to hear that your now fully adjusted to them and you don't get any headaches or distortion wearing your new glasses. I'm sure your eyes probably do look smaller now through your lenses. At the same time I have a feeling you liked it that some people noticed that your glasses looked stronger. How do you feel about that? But so far you're not noticing any change in your real eyesight?

Did your sister get her eyes examined yet?

oopsI 12 Jun 2017, 12:05

Sorry for being absent for a while, I was really busy.

I'm doing well with the -3.5's. I've gotten a few comments on them (that my eyes look smaller (friend whom I told that I got my prescription changed), that they do look thick (the frame is very thin and the lenses are pretty big, so it makes sense. the sunglasses don't even go over the edge of the frame)) but that was alright. I'm fully adjusted to them, don't get headaches or anything.

My vision doesn't stay blurry, I've been spending a lot of time outside since the weather is nice, so I'm guessing they won't have much effect at the moment, anyway.

Love Linda

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