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 17 Dec 2017, 15:34

Brille

http://youtu.be/4NV0NlcJN-Y


 17 Dec 2017, 15:31

Bifocals

http://youtu.be/5qD2meiz6Dc


Sonia 17 Dec 2017, 06:03

Hello Guys,

I had a lot of viewers from you so i come to say Hi & Thanks You, i hope everyone is ok and i wish you a merry christmas !

(i'm improving my english by reading you by the way)

Thank You

Sonia

http://www.urlittlefeather.com


Aventus 16 Dec 2017, 22:41

All time favourite high minus

http://scontent.fblr8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65087_709558322468150_1084079244913926428_n.jpg?oh=05b2e43e60db6bc390c5d212803dcf1d&oe=5AB86A55

http://scontent.fblr8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1948180_583371388420178_401203101_n.jpg?oh=bccab50cb2120062f0c30823d3ecf326&oe=5A8A7A14

http://scontent.fblr8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1479035_540963102661007_2025448962_n.jpg?oh=6ffa0b33f0a3d8f5367e8ccdce96cc1f&oe=5AC4C9AA

http://scontent.fblr8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1012027_502137986543519_1595621439_n.jpg?oh=e29c50956fe507d0849f28df19f0101d&oe=5AB9A0F0


 16 Dec 2017, 20:39

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVHLPJ6vHNA


Jo 16 Dec 2017, 07:46

some german ads - "Schleichwerbung" ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVHLPJ6vHNA

enjoy

Jo


Weirdeyes 16 Dec 2017, 02:18

Eyestein

Still looks uneven, but managable. I'd be surprised if they were more even than my eyes. Kind of hard to tell with high plus. I find high plus lenses tend to look more uneven.


murky 15 Dec 2017, 20:10

Now here is near perfection, even though it's black

The sweep of the lower arch matches the jaw line, eyebrows ( even if painted) are clearly visible, cat eye not too pronounced, and perfect nose bridge fit.

A nobel prize to the fitting optometrist!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb960KUnBpO/


Jurczyk 15 Dec 2017, 13:27

http://scontent.fhrk3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25188803_915178148658146_3525089669556041806_o.jpg?oh=0484d3fd546f9737ac3cb4636c89b476&oe=5ACD52E6

http://scontent.fhrk3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25311387_915178778658083_4609386651661094270_o.jpg?oh=f1f75402ef219daef48619141fa4c87b&oe=5ABC0AC8

http://scontent.fhrk3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25188761_915180051991289_4386090258478235266_o.jpg?oh=ed7d1546079c1ac412eb0e110a5632f7&oe=5AC4834B

http://scontent.fhrk3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25188948_915181455324482_8484774107249540950_o.jpg?oh=583d97d1b8363665c4d164e56dbaf2ee&oe=5ACFA109


Lou 15 Dec 2017, 09:38

Hi Eyestein

I believe that it may be a fresnel prism.

Best wishes

Lou


Eyestein 15 Dec 2017, 06:54

Diana Cazan. I'm not sure what to make of the left lens. Maybe it's only reflection.

http://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12289724_997069117020005_607195579084812979_n.jpg?oh=490160fb453dd615caebfa4d05e72aff&oe=5AD44616


Eyestein 15 Dec 2017, 05:59

@Weirdeyes 03 Dec 2017, 07:01

Actually I later found that there is a dark spot or shadow on her right eyelid which gives the impression of a huge iris. Quite deceptive. So in fact her lenses might be nearly equal.

http://pbs-0.adult-empire.com/51/5129/38/02.jpg


Jo 15 Dec 2017, 01:38

@Weirdeyes

Hi,

thats precisely this, what I wrote about this experts-war: The patient is only an objekt in their eyes, not a human, you are only "a case" in the eyes of such "busy" "physicians" (if you meet them offshore, sailing, they have all the time of the world surprisingly, but for the peoples with problems they are always "very busy" and crisp - its part of this mendacious play of capitalistic medicine: No profitieeing without this behavior.

Such "physicians" should be avoided completely, because their "medicine" is inhuman and in the "Dr. Mengele"-direction at the end.

The public should claim a federal valuation-system for medical professionals.

Rude, crisp persons and medical grafters would take their approbations back this way and the costs of public health would decrease too this way.

The topic "asthenoptic issues" is a eminently hard-fought area - like I wrote already ...

The rude sound in this topic is a "Reflex of Pawlov" in this part of "health"-"industry" - and money, noth health, is the trigger ...

Jo


 14 Dec 2017, 22:52

Richica

http://mobile.twitter.com/richicasan/status/883315520526626817/photo/3


Lou 14 Dec 2017, 02:43

Hi Weirdeyes

No, I don't think he hates you, rather that he is a busy professional and is simply being matter of fact. He has given you his opinion, he has nothing further to add, and is telling you that he would rather not discuss it further. Admittedly his way of ending the discussion is a little brusque, but sadly some medical professionals are like this, just like you get people like this in other walks of life. I don't know whether you have ever watched House with the brilliant Hugh Laurie. He is a brilliant doctor who can work out very unusual and complicated medical cases, but it is the cases which interest him, not the people. In fact he appears to have no people skills at all. This is a difficult one, as although eyes are usually not emergency medicine, medical professionals have to maintain a level of detachment so that they can objectively do their jobs without their emotions getting in the way. The professional who replied to you's profile on that website says:

I am a Board Certified Ophthalmologist; Editor of Missouri Medicine medical journal and Contributing Editor of Kansas City Medicine medical journal. Also a clinical researcher with over 150 manuscripts-correspondence-editorials published; Editor of two medical text book s and contributor to two others. I founded the Eye Expert Forum in 1997. I have no conflict of interests to disclose and receive no money from pharmaceutical or ophthalmic manufacturers. I am not paid to answer these questions.

He is presumably a busy man, and probably interested primarily in the optical side of thing, although I imagine that he still gets great satisfaction out of knowing that he has helped someone. He probably feels that he has answered your question to the best of his knowledge and wants to help someone else.

He is completely different to someone like me, a regular reader of the forum who is a mum and homemaker first and orchestral trumpeter/brass band cornet player second, who has a weeks' washing to do soon, owing to the washing machine repair man finally managing to fit me in yesterday. I've got the time and inclination to try to help someone. Also having convergence insufficiency (plus in my case eye tracking difficulties), I have some understanding of what you are going through, although I don't personally have the big difference between my eyes.

I understand what the doctor is saying. I am also surprised that you don't see things larger through your left eye with glasses. I can fully understand that things would look comparatively smaller through your left eye with contact lenses, as as the eye doctor explained, contact lenses do reduce the image size compared to glasses for somebody who has hyperopia, but it should be the case that when you wear glasses, you have the added complication of things looking larger through your left eye than your right, not that when you wear contact lenses, things look smaller through your left eye than your right. I cannot really explain why you see this way. If the image size is more matched with glasses for you, if the difference is prescription does not make your eyes look different sizes to others (which I guess is what you mean when you refer to wearing glasses for cosmetic reasons, since you are happy to wear +1.00 readers over the top of your contacts), I'd stick with glasses.

If you want my honest opinion, as somebody who has had difficulties with their eye prescriptions owing to convergence insufficiency, and also tends to get anxious, I believe that anxiety is definitely adding to your issues. What in my opinion you need is firstly a sympathetic optician, then secondly, you need to be prepared to trust their prescription, as to keep doubting it only leads to anxiety.

I really hope that this will help.

Take care

Lou


Weirdeyes 14 Dec 2017, 01:01

Wow, he really hates me. I guess medhelp isn't the best site. Cactus Jack doesn't seem to like me either.

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Eye-Care/How-do-I-explain-my-issues-with-my-prescription-during-my-retest/show/3010856


 13 Dec 2017, 21:50

low plus (and wheelchair)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wkuP7KU0PM


 13 Dec 2017, 11:42

Cute all focus brunette : http://ow.ly/75EP30hcR1n


 13 Dec 2017, 11:41

Cute all focus brunette : http://ow.ly/75EP30hcR1n


aviator-oo- 12 Dec 2017, 20:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEfHTXWjnBQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwAmPoX1iHg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7lwAB_MVsY


Trent 12 Dec 2017, 18:39

Thanks Jim H!


Jim H 12 Dec 2017, 18:04

More moderate minus http://www.instagram.com/p/BcI_if6gPyY/ German blonde

Big metal purple frames http://www.instagram.com/p/BcDk0TFg-Ar/

Nice http://www.instagram.com/p/BZI20IuH3Xx/

Blonde with lots of pairs http://www.instagram.com/p/BcFQ8QPgLS0/


Jim H 12 Dec 2017, 17:57

Moderate minus http://www.instagram.com/p/BcaLJyJDY8g/ -7.5

Cute http://www.instagram.com/p/BcQzrziAt2e/

Pretty in aviators http://www.instagram.com/p/BcF4hOWFWth/

Czech blonde http://www.instagram.com/p/BbwZQHcjYzq/


iamhacked 12 Dec 2017, 17:56

http://youtu.be/5khUaIpBJBs

High minus (-15, -16) girl shows the struggles of trying to do makeup with such high myopia.


iamhacked 12 Dec 2017, 17:55

http://youtu.be/a2hCX7R1xZM

A Chinese TV show where high myopic girls wear their glasses, then take off their glasses from a distance and try to read letters and view pictures.


Jim H 12 Dec 2017, 17:52

Beautiful Moderate Minus ladies http://www.instagram.com/p/Bb960KUnBpO/

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Jim H 12 Dec 2017, 17:49

High Minus http://www.instagram.com/p/BcJeguVDp3M/

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http://www.instagram.com/p/BcVaKpwhvSC/

http://www.instagram.com/p/BQ3f-obFXQP/ Makeup girl


Jim H 12 Dec 2017, 15:00

Vintage minus and cat eye http://www.instagram.com/p/Bbp-7OKjyOv/

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http://www.instagram.com/p/BcIkK6eHZiw/


Jim H 12 Dec 2017, 14:54

Full time strong minus http://www.instagram.com/p/BWvGiKrh-VM/ Very nice!

http://www.instagram.com/p/BXdm2szl-z8/ Blue frames

http://www.instagram.com/p/BciK9nRBfyY/ New prism and progressives

Pretty with rimless specs http://www.instagram.com/p/_7n61EQ-Gg/


Jim H 12 Dec 2017, 14:48

Strong Minus http://www.instagram.com/p/BcONL6JB9JG/ Cute blonde

Pretty http://www.instagram.com/p/BcnPxQehBYR/

http://www.instagram.com/p/9fV_I9mU4f/ Purple frames

Nice, hope she wears them more http://www.instagram.com/p/BcVnd1vDeqJ/


Jim H 12 Dec 2017, 14:44

High minus http://www.instagram.com/p/BcVWylUhWAw/

http://www.instagram.com/p/Bccr0s9AgLv/

http://www.instagram.com/p/Bca7UUFgwHb/ Red head

http://www.instagram.com/p/BcddGdTlHNL/ Curvy with progressives


Jim H 12 Dec 2017, 14:41

Nice full time High Minus http://www.instagram.com/p/BckyAT4gupu/ Progressives

http://www.instagram.com/p/BXc7XeXllG8/

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 11 Dec 2017, 14:22

low plus girls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhTKWB2R_Kc&t=1m27s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJHhObiUSGY&t=1m26s


Yugz 10 Dec 2017, 23:45

-7 Asian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBHr5KOe124


murky 10 Dec 2017, 22:01

Anyone heard of CoCo song frames? Exquisite , look at this on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/cocosongeyewear/videos/622170921189633/


Tatinha & Alain 10 Dec 2017, 18:08

Thanks Gerry for your nice comments.

http://tatinha.online.fr

3 New Videos have been added yesterday. More to come!


Gerry 10 Dec 2017, 09:07

Gosh what a truly beautiful lady Tatinha is, not only very beautiful, love her glasses when i saw the photos it sent me into specs wonderland. She seems to have it all, beauty, sex appeal, love personality, and those specs are a real turn on. What say you ?Gerry


bateau 09 Dec 2017, 13:41

Croatia & Ontario gwg !

https://vision-and-spex.com/croatia-and-ontario-gwg-t922.html


Moonshiner 08 Dec 2017, 01:52

I deleted several inappropriate posts (many repeated posts) in this thread mostly from late November from IP addresses in California, Nevada and Romania. Many were complaints about linking to publicly posted content. Instagram and most social media sites have provisions to block users and make their content private. Though I don’t know the nature of comments posted there, they are a violation of the user policy if they are harassing, threatening, or intimidating, as such, the user should block the offender and/or report them.


Weirdeyes 08 Dec 2017, 01:47

Jo

I think something that complicates things is that my left eye is not lazy. So it's not suppressed. I could also watch 3D movies before I got glasses, so it's possible my left eye was never lazy to begin with. I think it had 20/50 acuity, but that makes perfect sense with -1.50 astigmatism. When the cyl was -0.50 my left eye could see 20/30. I think most people with my type of prescription have a lazy eye.


Jo 08 Dec 2017, 01:17

Weirdeyes 07 Dec 2017, 18:45

I believe, that may be possible.

Anisometry (means: both eyes havn't the same rx) or lazy constructed glasses can cause such effects. This depends from the "preferred" eye.

Everybody likes to see sharp. So if one eye is properly corrected and the other not, we prefer the properly corrected - the other one will be more and more supressed by brain.

If both not precisely corrected, we will prefer the "better" one, but what means "better" in this case:

If the eye is shortsighted, the brain cant do anything.

But if the eye is farsighted, the brain can take order to the eye, to correct this by accomodation. In younger ages it is possible (for presbyopians more and more not).

The problem is: We aren't camaeleons. ;-)

Means: Our eyes aren't independent eachother.

If one eye does accomodate, the other one will do so too.

And if this other one was right bevore, so it will get blurry then - one cant see clearly with both eyes this way.

Ofcours you can get the feeling: "One of those glasses-lenses is always wrong."

If the difference of both eyes is such big and the difference increases during the life, there should be a check of the eyes background by a eye-doctor too.

btw.:

If the rx changes in a short time dramatically (except on some "glasses-newcomers" - i wrote already about the spasm-problem) there should be always a doctors check occasinally. sometimes there is a little more behind and it's better to check this timely)

Ofcourse an anisometry can cause a accomodative spasm too, but there we are on the wide field of asthenoptic issues and this isn't not only a field, but a battlefield too - between some physical "experts" of different "schools", between those experts and optometrists, between optometrists and opticians, between optometrists and parents, insurances and so on - horrible, if a patient comes in such a experts-mill - they will tear up him.

so I dont like to join there ...

best regards

Jo


Tatinha & Alain 07 Dec 2017, 20:44

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2 New Videos on linePlaying with Cat Eyes & Extreme Close Up & Reading With and Without Glasses. More than 15 minutes

5 New Galleries. 184 new pictures all kind....!

More videos tomorrow!


Weirdeyes 07 Dec 2017, 18:45

Jo

Do you think difference between my eyes not being corrected properly caused a spasm of accommodation? When I first got glasses my prescription was R0.00 L+1.25. My OD was frustrated that my eyes wouldn't relax. After that my glasses were R+1.75 L+4.25. My right eye prescription kept getting lower, but my left eye stayed pretty much the same. It's now R+0.75 L+4.25. My glasses feel noticeably too weak. Right now I'm wearing +1.00 readers over my contacts all the time. With +1.50 readers I notice my left eye can see a bit further, so I still don't think my eyes are balanced. I'm annoyed my eyes relax because my glasses always feel too weak.


 07 Dec 2017, 17:19

@07 Dec 2017, 09:14

2nd possibility:

The astigmatism triggered an accomodation-spasm so the eyes was getting minus by spasm.

Then she got the glasses with astigmatic lenses and the spasm goes away:

The now more relaxed eyes are weak plus in their natural state.

Its more seldom in this age, but very frequent by small children: They have a very profligate accomodation so the real natural (and the goal of treatmant) rx you can get only as a doctor by paralyzing the over-accomodation with Atropin/Cyclopentolat/Scopolamin/Tropicamid.

But if you would construct a pair of glasses with this rx, the patient would flip out: without atropin the eye can't relax to this maximal (relaxed) amount, the plus-value would be too high, the glasses would be blurry.

To solve the spasm of accomodation takes time sometimes.

And under disstress maybe the spasm comes back, teh glasses getting blurry and the reaction is often: "Hey Optition, you sold me the wrong prescription!" lol

There is at next a popular scientific lecture mature then. ;-)

What to do?

If the (Atropin-)relaxed amount is (for example) +2 (with -1.0 dpt asigmatism), but the very first, subjective mensuation arised -0.5dpt (with -1.0 dpt asigmatism) so the first pair of glasses will be -0.0dpt (with -1.0 dpt asigmatism), the second - after a newly test +1dpt (with -1.0 dpt asigmatism)

and the next one +2.0 (with -1.0 dpt asigmatism) -so we got the real natural amount step by step - the ciliarmuscle ist relaxed now, headaches are gone (if there is still no hidden strabism, but this is a different topic ..)

So it comes maybe: At first weak minus glasses (interim solution, only for relaxing the ciliarmuscle-spasm triggered by astigmatism - those glasses correct nearly only the astigmatism , the sphere not yet fully) the real rx later then.

Maybe(!) that could be the case here.

(The sublime excuse my horrible "denglish"! ;-))

Jo


Jo 07 Dec 2017, 16:08

@07 Dec 2017, 09:14

she says, she has astigmatism, so its possible, the optician is trying different solutions.

The problem not seldom is:

There are 2 different shemes of astigmatism:

a) regular astigmatism

b) irregular astigmatism

a) "regular" means: the optical system isn't spherc, cant portray a point and makes a dash instead, the lense/cornea has not only one single radius like a spheric lense/cornea, but 2 - but those radiuses are measurable, so you have in your prescription 2 different rx: the rx of one axis and the rx of the other axis and the angle in ° between them (and the poor linse grinders have to grind them then - ist not easy!)

b) "irregular" means: the eye can't make a point, but can't make a dash too, a point-spotlight makes a irregular star on the retina, that means: this eye has more than 2 axes, maybe the cornea has a surface like the moon, orh te earth: with irregular mountains and vales (sometimes scars), so the type a)- lens cant help properly. (sometimes only hard contact-lenses/scleral-lenses (with "tear-water" between the cornea and the contactlens, wich neutralizes the irregularity nearly completely) can help)

The difficulty is: Its up to now impossible to grind a glasses-lens with a such irregular surface, like the eye is needing.

What do do in such cases?

We can try to find a compromise:

We have to find a type a)-glass, where both rx and the angle

make the least blurry.

Sometimes one can compute this a little, after a proper inspection of the cornea, but somtimes one only can try and try again.

This means:

If someone only has a weak rx, but astigmatism with a irregular part in it, it ist possible, one pair of glasses is more going to the plus-tendency, the other try more to the minus tendency.

And so you have the effect like someone wears a plus glasses, and then a minus one.

The next thing is: The rx-notation differs in the whole world:

You have the "main-rx" at first, maybe

+0.5 dpt

and then the 2nd (astigmatic) amount is written in minus-spelling:

+0.5 dpt(spheric) -1.0dpt (90°)(astigmatism.)

this is:

radius f is +0.5, radius s is -0.5 => (+0.5 - 1.0)

but in some countries they have the plus-spelling:

(the same glases!:)

-0.5 dpt (s is becoming f) +(!) 1.0 dpt (270° (!!!)

(270° == -90° ;-) )

in this example we have the same amount to the 0-axis, but if the amounts differ asymmetrical you can have 2 glasses with a little different look, but with the same optical effect.

At 3rd: Glasseslenses are delivered in different diameters and if the frame is a little "special" its sometimes necessary to take the bigger ones and grind the ege more than on a different diameter, means:

2 different glasses-lenses with the same rx can have different middle-thicknesses and in range of weak rx'es it can seem sometimes a little like a different (+/-) rx.

Hey folks! Optician ist a cool (and really helpful!) job!

Jo


Jo 07 Dec 2017, 15:17

@Choucha 07 Dec 2017, 04:54

You're welcome, no problem, my "english" isn't the best too.

Hey, thats internet. ;-)

(I've never learnt english properly in my part of the world. ;-))

What i would say: Your fears don't have to be and we shouldn't anticipate such ones. Please stay cool.

Ofcourse it is annoying, if such a clumpsy fellow ask things, which can't (still?) cool handled by the affected person:

One of my schoolmates was horribly shortsighted (over -25 dpt already in 5. grade(!) and they hadn't the proper glasses-lenses for children in this time (and contacts for children at this time?? NO way! lol (You can see, im not the youngest anymore .. ;-) ) - and more and more (over -30) over the years then - and still after over 30 years she couldn't speak about that, although she knew by herself, that everybody in our class knew her problems from the beginning (by all those big and small dramas and mistakes in gym-, gardening- etc. lessons, from the blackboard wrong transcribed tasks in a important mathematics-examination, all those tears and "i can't, because my eyes ..." and so on - normal for us, but not for her(!), . (a class reunion of us was nearly broken up about this topic - please imagine: We all of the old class was nearly to the 60ies and ALL of us was glasses wearers in between at this time - but she still couldnt speak about this topic, couldnt laugh about all those bygone little mistakes in the past - means: She had(has??) a very heavy livelong trauma about her eye-problems.

And ofcourse it's a bore too, to answer over years every day the same question: "Your glasses are so thick, whats the matter with your eyes?"

Everybody reacts different.

And not always has a not so heavy affectet one the right empathy, to go in the shoes of the other, more affected one.

But i don't believe, that we're made from sugar. ;-)

We're all in the "legal age" and if someone is rude or intrusive, then a short: "Hey, please dont transgress the limits" should be enough to stop unpleasant situations and questions.

It's the nature of the humans, to ask, to be interested, to be curious, sometimes a little inquisitive too.

Then the mouth goes on and off - and thats it ... ;-)

No reason for fears, or defamation.

I believe: "Aven a big deal isn't really a big deal. ;-)

and:

I believe, sometimes such little "conflicts" can help the affected peoples (and the not so ones too) to get a little different, a maybe better sight about themselfes too and decrease the common neuroses a bit:

Ofcourse, its annoying for a blind man, to tell everybody again and again his history of getting blind - but on the other site its a chance, to raise more understanding, more empathy, more sensitivity eachother.

Ignorance would be the more worse scenario ...

And:

A lot of not affected peoples can't understand the sight of the affected ones:

The not affected maybe say:"Hey, your glasses are cool! And the thickness conjures a excitingly sparkling into your face! Wow!"

And the affected thinks:"Idiot! No, they arent pretty or "cool"! Those glasses are a nightmare for me - too heavy, pressure sores on my nose, cant swim without fears to lose them and the expenses ruin me."

The world has always two sites ... ;-)

"Exchange" ist the magical word then ...

The "right for this situation" social interaction is learnable - for both sides - for glasses wearers and admirers. ;-)

There is nothing "dangerous" in the play of "to see and to get seen" (so long things not slip into the grubby-corner) and everybody has his "turning downs" in his live too, not only more or less attractive glasseswerarers.

Have a nice day!

Again: You're welcome!

Jo


Weirdeyes 07 Dec 2017, 10:30

In the video with the "minus glasses" she said she has astigmatism. My glasses which are +0.75 -0.75 kind of look like weak minus glasses from some angles even though they're plus. I think her glasses are now plus because she had latent hyperopia with astigmatism. That simple.


 07 Dec 2017, 09:14

in August she was reviewing very small minus glasses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUQsltsK-zo

and now she has weak plus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwqYHiVD8-I&t=3m54s

Is this just online ordering mistake or change of prescription...


 07 Dec 2017, 00:21

plus below


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