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Soundmanpt 18 Apr 2018, 17:07

Sorry for being so long!


Soundmanpt 18 Apr 2018, 17:06

Nora

Well Nora, if you think about it a lot has happened to you in the past week or so. You got your eyes examined on the 9th of the month and found out that you actually needed glasses and didn't know it. And on the 13th you went and picked up your glasses and got them fitted. Something you have been wanting for so long you suddenly were now wearing. For you it had to be almost like Christmas, your birthday and every other holiday rolled into one when you got your glasses. Even though you wanted to be wearing glasses once you finally got them i'n sure it had to feel very strange to be wearing glasses for the first time. Wearing glasses, even for someone that wanted them as much as you did still takes some getting used to as you have found out. Seeing the world is much different now seeing it through lenses in front of your eyes then it was before you got your glasses. Now you have to keep your lenses clean or you still may not see very clearly even with your glasses on. You have to be very surprised that your eyes are so blurry now when you take off your glasses. You didn't only fool yourself but you fooled me as well because I honestly thought your eyes were perfect and you would only be prescribed glasses based on claiming you were having trouble when driving at night with seeing properly. As it turned out you really weren't seeing as well as you should have been when driving period and not just at night. Your glasses sound very cute. I know what a gentle cat-eye shape looks like. Getting them in blue I have a feeling that you maybe have blonde hair and blue eyes. Am I right? I'm glad that you're wearing your glasses as much as possible, but i'm not too surprised since you have been wanting glasses for so long and now you have them. Did you tell any of your friends ahead of time that you were getting glasses after you had your eye exam or did you just suddenly show up wearing glasses? I know you had been off from school on break earlier. Are you back in school now? I'm sure that you loved all the attention you and your glasses were getting. Always nice to get those complements as well. No surprise that several of your friends wanted to try them on. that's a real sign that they liked your glasses if they wanted to try them on. I'm sure you had told your bf that you were getting glasses right after you had your eye exam. Were you worried that he might not like seeing you wearing glasses as much as you're going to be wearing them or does he understand that you're going to need to wear your glasses in order to see clearly now.I'm sure that you will make sure that he gets to see see you without your glasses too. But he will get used to seeing you wearing your glasses and he will be dine. Actually any of your friends with perfect or near perfect vision should be able to see pretty well with your glasses on. The only thing that would start to bother them if they wore them for a while would maybe be your astigmatisms. But the distance part of your prescription isn't too strong for their eyes. So your glasses shouldn't feel too strong for any of their eyes. The girl that said she could see really well with your glasses should get her eyes checked because it is very possible that she needs glasses. Tell her that if she does go she needs to tell the doctor that she tried on your glasses and she could see things clearer with your glasses. Doctors need to know those things. Ask her if she maybe wants to start wearing glasses? If she does give her the same advice I gave you about driving at night. That will at least get her glasses very similar to yours.

I'm really glad that you are so happy with wearing glasses. Good thing since you actually need your glasses. The nice thing about having you get glasses based on telling the doctor you were having night driving problems was because if you had perfect vision like you thought you did and you got your glasses for driving at night and then after wearing them a few days decided you didn't like wearing glasses you could have just stopped wearing them and gone on without glasses. But of course everything changed when you failed your vision test because like it or not now you were going to have to wear glasses even if you hated them. So I am as happy as you are that you love wearing your glasses. Getting your own debit card is perfect so you an order your own glasses when the time is right. Since you got your glasses has your mom or anyone else tied to stop you from wearing them so much? So far it seems like your mother is letting you decide how much and when you need to wear your glasses. You want her and everyone else to get so used to seeing you wearing glasses that they will only notice when you're not wearing glasses which shouldn't be too often. Once you get stronger glasses your glasses will only be off when you're sleeping and when your showering. i really doubt that you're going to find a pair of glasses on line so close to the glasses you're wearing that no one will notice that your wearing different glasses. I wouldn't even worry about that. After all you're a young girl and if you're wearing glasses all the time (another reason why you want to be wearing your glasses full time or nearly full time) that you might want another pair to go with other outfits better than your blue glasses do. But when you do order glasses on line you need to pan on ordering at least 2 pairs using the same frame but with one being slightly stronger than the other. Then wear the weaker of the 2 until your eyes fully adjust to them and then switch to the stronger pair. People will only notice new and different frame not your lenses. Remember you can get your glasses for as low as $6.95 from Zenni so even getting 2 pairs won't be a big cost to you. When you get your new glasses on line be sure to put your current glasses someplace safe because you will be going back next year around this same time to get your eyes examined and you want to be sure to wear your current glasses. Every few days continue to give updates about how your doing being a new glasses wearer.


Nora 18 Apr 2018, 15:28

Soundmanpt

Yes, so much has happened! I'm adjusting to the glasses pretty well do far, they were weird at first but now I hardly notice except when I take them off things are blurry. I chose a sort of gentle cat eye shape, made out plastic and dark blue. I've been wearing them as much as possible. I've gotten pretty much only good comments, especially from my friends, a few of which already where glasses. My boyfriend said I look nice in them, which I'm really happy about. A few friends tried on my glasses, and one said she can we better wearing them. Does this mean she needs glasses too? I love wearing glasses. It's everything I hoped for and more! My mom says I can get a debit card next time we go to the bank, so pretty soon I can order the next glasses. Will people notice if they're different?

Nora


Soundmanpt 16 Apr 2018, 17:24

Nora

At this point your mom's eyes should have become stable since she was maybe around 25 years old. So it's possible that if your eyes are only just beginning to become nearsighted that could very well be about where your eyes might get to as well. You have had your glasses for abut 3 days now. Have you been wearing your glasses full time since you got them? Is wearing glasses everything you hoped it would be? I'm sure with each passing day your glasses are feeling more and more comfortable to you as get more and more used to them. Even as bad as you wanted to wear glasses theirs still an adjusting period of you getting used to wearing glasses and for your eyes to adjust to seeing with glasses. When you first got your glasses your eyes were still trying to ignore the prescription of your glasses. your eyes had to settle down and allow your glasses to help them with seeing which they now seem to be doing. That's why now when you take them off things are more blurry than then they used to be. It was that blurry before you got your glasses, you just didn't notice it because of accommodation you had. Now that your wearing glasses that accommodation is gone and you need your glasses to see things clearly. What have you learned in the last 3 days that maybe surprised you or you didn't expect about wearing glasses or is it everything you thought it would be?

By now i'm sure some of your friends have seen you wearing glasses what has their reaction been to seeing you wearing glasses? Being 17 you probably have a bf was he surprised that you're now wearing glasses? Don't forget to describe the glasses you got. Are they a full plastic frame or semi-rimless, are they metal? I'm glad they are comfortable to wear. that is very important if you intend to wear your glasses full time.


Nora 16 Apr 2018, 14:43

Soundmanpt,

My mom's prescription is -3.25 in her right eye and -3 in her left eye. She started wearing glasses when she was around my age. I did notice my vision seems blurrier than before I got glasses. They weren't too hard to get used to, and are really comfortable.

Nora


Soundmanpt 14 Apr 2018, 09:20

Nora

Yeah! I guess I don't have to ask you how it feels to be actually wearing glasses for the first time? It had to be fun for you having the optician fit your glasses on you. Each adjustment he or she made making your glasses more and more comfortable until they seemed to be perfect. And even though your glasses may feel perfect to you now if they should start to feel tight behind your ears or anywhere else go back and have them adjust them again. You don't want your glasses to rub sores on the back side of your ears. I thought you might be surprised by the difference your glasses would make to your eyes being able to see things better. I'm sure most of the day after you got your glasses you were comparing things with and without your glasses weren't you? That's normal for everyone to do. Even as badly as you have been wanting glasses it's still going to take a little time getting used to wearing them. By the end of the day i'm sure that your eyes were already getting adjusted to the prescription in your glasses. You probably didn't want to have to take your glasses to go to bed did you? When you took your glasses off at the end of the day did you notice that things were already looking more blurry to you then they did before you got your glasses? That is an indication that your eyes were already getting adjusted. That blur that you see is your actual eyesight without glasses now. Before you got your glasses you were using accommodation to see things and didn't realize it. Now your glasses will take the place of the accommodation you were using.

As far as what prescription you should order on-line I think it would be vest not too go too strong because it appears that your eyes are starting to become myopic (nearsighted) on their own. So if you in fact have your mother's genes for your eyes, which it seems you do have, you should expect that you're going to be needing increases in your glasses for at least the next few years. Now that you're wearing glasses you should sit down and have a nice chat with your mom about glasses if you haven't already. You seem to only know by seeing pictures of her wearing glasses when she was around 18 to go by. You should ask her when she started wearing glasses and when her eyes stopped changing? Have you ever tried on your mother's glasses to see how strong the are? Ask her what her current prescription is because that could be a clue as to what prescription you might get to yourself. Anyway I think even if you only wear your current glasses by next year this time you can expect to need an increase in your glasses. By the way were you told to come back in 12 months? But there is no harm in pushing things along as long as you want your glasses to be a little stringer than they are. So this is what I suggest you order on line. O.D. -1.25 -.50 120 / O.S. -1.50 -.50 120. You're eyes should be able to tolerate that much over correction without any problem. Of course you know you need to hold off for a little while before placing your order. But maybe in about a month or so you should start complaining about driving on sunny days and not being able to wear sunglasses. You do understand you can't wear your regular non-prescription sunglasses anymore when you're driving because you really do need your glasses to see as well as you should now. So you should mention that someone at school that also wears glasses told you about ordering glasses on-line and how he glasses looked really cute. Do you have your own debit card? You really should try and get one because that is what you need in order to place your glasses order. Anyway by using your need for prescription sunglasses as a real need you can also order a clear pair as well since they are so cheap. Of course get the sunglasses and regular glasses in the stronger prescription.

So after wearing glasses for a good part of the day yesterday did you find it rather easy getting used to wearing glasses or were you constantly taking them off to clean them? Trust me after a few days wearing glasses you won't even notice that your wearing them. I'm really happy for you because I know how much you were wanting glasses,


Nora 13 Apr 2018, 18:37

I picked up my new glasses today! Yes, I got the anti-reflective coating, and WOW. I really can see better! I didn't think I needed glasses before but apparently I was wrong. I loved it when they fitted me with the glasses until they were perfectly comfortable, and have been wearing them all day. What prescription should I order online, anyways? My glasses are awesome, and I can't wait to make them even stronger!

Nora


 13 Apr 2018, 13:03

hey Nora. just checking in to see if you had a call yesterday afternoon.


Soundmanpt 13 Apr 2018, 07:01

Nora

I thought you would be getting that call no later than Friday because they don't want to be dispensing glasses on Saturday because that is their busiest day.

If you have been wanting to wear glasses for a long while i'm sure you're very excited knowing that you will soon be getting your wish of wearing glasses. I'm sure that you're going to enjoy the fitting process as the optician works to make your glasses as comfortable as possible for you. You're going to notice an immediate improvement as soon as you put your glasses on to your vision. Mostly everything is going to look a bit brighter to you and everything is going to razor sharp and clearer to you. It's possible that your astigmatisms may or may not take some getting used to at first. So if the floor looks a bit slanted and you feel a little dizzy at first it's normal and will go away as soon eyes start adjusting to the prescription of your glasses. I'm hoping that when the optician is fitting your glasses that he / she will recommend that you wear your glasses dull time for about a week so your eyes can adjust to your glasses. Even though your prescription is on the weak side they are going to make a difference in how you see things at a distance. You're going to be impressed with how much better your going to see when driving at night wearing glasses. Did you get the AR coating (anti-reflective) on your glasses? I hope that you did because that coating is very good at reducing glare and reflections off your glasses. I look forward to seeing your next comment after you have your glasses and wearing them.


Nora 12 Apr 2018, 15:51

Soundmanpt,

Yes, I received the call this afternoon, and am picking up my new glasses tomorrow! Can't wait!

Nora


Nora 12 Apr 2018, 15:51

Soundmanpt,

Yes, I received the call this afternoon, and am picking up my new glasses tomorrow! Can't wait!

Nora


Nora 12 Apr 2018, 15:51

Soundmanpt,

Yes, I received the call this afternoon, and am picking up my new glasses tomorrow! Can't wait!

Nora


 12 Apr 2018, 14:06

Inducing myopia might be "eyesight" worth seeing.


Soundmanpt 12 Apr 2018, 03:58

Nora

I think you might get a call today saying that your glasses are ready if you didn't already get a call yesterday.


Glass Lenses 11 Apr 2018, 23:00

Would inducing myopia be considered making a spectacle of yourself?


Soundmanpt 11 Apr 2018, 07:42

Nora

I'm surprised that they didn't dilate your eyes since it has been 4 years since you last had your eyes examined. A dilated eye exam I think is better because the drops relaxes your eyes which because of that is usually more accurate when refracting your eyes. It could even have increased you prescription by another -.25 more. But the downside is that for the rest of the day your eyes would have been very very light sensitive and any kind of bright light would have been a bit painful to you. They usually suggest that you go home and take a nap after your eye exam. I never ever consider the eye exam they do at the DMV when you go for your permit an eye exam because they only check your eyes to see if you're able to see 20/40. So as you know 20/40 isn't perfect, but they don't care if your eyesight is perfect so they don't test you for 20/20. The 20/20 has a red line under it. Some people with very good eyesight can actually read some of the lines below that red line meaning that they have 20/15 or even 20/10 vision. Many times people that have had lasik are able to read those lines. So being able sit down and try on so many frames you had to feel like a kid in a toy store. As you watching the clarity of the eyechart slowly become more and more clear with each change of lens were you aware then that you were being refracted for glasses and the doctor was just trying to get your vision as perfect as possible? I'm glad that your mother was with you. She was probably helpful to you with selecting your glasses wasn't she? Based on what you had told her about having problems with seeing the board at school and driving at night i'm sure she was expecting that you would be getting your first glasses. Don't be surprised to get a call in a couple of days saying that your glasses are ready. I really doubt that it will be 5 days. Since you have been wanting glasses for a while during that time have you ever borrowed any of your girlfriend's glasses and wore them for an evening or day? I'm sure that you can't wait to get your glasses and start wearing them. Did mom hear them tel you that you don't need to wear your glasses all the time? If so do you think is going to question why you're wearing your glasses all the time?


Nora 10 Apr 2018, 16:39

Soundmanpt

No, they did not put drops in my eyes. And you're right, I haven't had a real eye exam since I was around thirteen, except for my drivers license, and I'm not sure how much they were paying attention. I didn't know which line was the 20/20 line, but it was exciting trying on frames and watching the clarity of the chart switch around before my eyes. They told me my glasses would be ready in about five days. My mom did come with me, too. It was really fun, and I can't wait till they're ready!

Nora


Soundmanpt 10 Apr 2018, 08:12

Nora

It sounds like this was maybe your first ever eye exam or you haven't had one since you were quite young. Glad that you enjoyed it. You did everything right. It sounds like they didn't dilate your eyes. Did they put drops in your eyes before your exam? Yes you wanted to be completely honest when answering all the questions as to which was better. Even though you were almost certain to be prescribed glasses just by you're commenting on having difficulty with seeing when driving at night. Apparently you're eyesight wasn't as good as you thought it was because if it were all you would have been prescribed would have been a -.50 SPH in both eyes. But you were given a it more than that for your left eye and you have astigmatisms in both eyes as well. During your exam did you aware that you really weren't able to see the 20/20 line on the eyechart? Were you aware that when the doctor pushed the phoropter / refractor in front of your eyes and started inserting lenses that you were indeed getting glasses? And how much fun was it after the exam was finished to go out and start trying on glasses? Were you by yourself or did mom go with you. So you have to describe the glasses that you picked out. When did they say your glasses would be ready? If they said a week chances are it will be much sooner than that. They always say a time about twice what it really will be. They do that just in case the lab where your glasses are being made happens to be busy. If they were to say 3 days and your glasses weren't ready for 5 days you might be upset by that. So it is better for them to say a week and have your glasses ready in 3 or 4 days.

You said that you don't know what all the numbers of your prescription mean. Okay SPH (sphere) is your distance part of your prescription which you say you now would like to be at -2.00. Your left eye is very slightly worse than your right eye is. Still of course considered as a weak prescription. The CYL numbers (-.50) is your astigmatisms. Astigmatisms is a bit like fine tuning is to a radio station. If your radio isn't exactly set properly the radio won't sound good. In other words astigmatisms makes seeing words and letters look fuzzy to you. It effects your vision at all distances. So this is likely why after reading and studying for long periods of time your eyes are having trouble focusing properly. The axis numbers are important numbers but they aren't power values. It tells the lab how your lenses need to positioned in the frame of your glasses.

Yes your prescription is weak enough that you don't need to wear your glasses all the time. You actually do need to wear your glasses for driving, day or night, for seeing the board at school, going to a concert or sporting event like a ballgame. And anything at a distance your glasses will benefit you. But if you're wanting to get to an actual prescription of -1.00 or -2.00 you need to wear your glasses full time as soon as you get them. First of all you need to wear your glasses to get used to wearing glasses and so your eyes can adjust to the prescription. Since you actually need glasses it shouldn't take long for your eyes to adjust to your glasses. But getting used to wearing glasses may take a little longer. The day you go to pickup your glasses the optician will do a fitting for you. He / she will be adjusting your glasses so they fit you perfectly. You want them to make your glasses as comfortable as possible on you. That means that you don't want them to be too tight behind your ears, but not so loose that they are sliding down your nose. You want them to fit comfortably on your nose. When they finish you should be able to look down at the floor and shake your head with some vigor and your glasses should stay in place perfectly. Are you excited about getting glasses?

You should probably just wear your glasses full time for about the next couple months before you place an order on line for stronger glasses. When you do that you're going to change the sPH numbers only. You will use exactly what you were prescribed for your CYL and axis numbers. Your next glasses should be increased to -1.25 / -1.50 for the SPH. You will just need to tell mom that a friend at school got her glasses on line and you want a pair to go with some of your outfits. If mom should question why your wearing your glasses ll the time you can just tell her that you really like wearing glasses and you like being able to see perfect all the time. If she has worn glasses since she as your age she is probably very comfortable wearing her glasses so she would understand that you're comfortable wearing your glasses as well.


Nora 10 Apr 2018, 04:34

Had eye exam yesterday!! It was so exciting when they checked my eyes and all that. They asked me what was better, red or green, and I tried to be totally honest. Then I got to choose a frame. I asked them for my PD: 61. I also asked them for my prescription: O.D. sphere is -0.5, cyl is -0.5, and axis is 120. O.S. sphere is -0.75, cyl is -0.5, and axis is 120. I'm not totally sure what all these numbers mean, and I'm thinking about changing my goal to -2. They also said I don't need to wear my glasses all the time.

Nora


Likelenses 09 Apr 2018, 20:22

jane

It sounds as though you are a bit too aggressive with the over correction.

The idea is to be able to keep the over correction on all the time, for all activities.

Perhaps you need to try -.75 for full time, and when these are comfortable for both near, and far ,then use the - 1.25


jane 09 Apr 2018, 20:14

is it normal to have to take off your (overminused) glasses off to read a book?

I've been finding I've had to do this, or else I get a bit of eyestrain. It's not blurry or anything, but it's definitely a lot easier to read without the glasses. My real prescription is like -0.25 in both eyes and I'm using -1.25 glasses at the moment. I'm only 29 so I really hope it's not age related :/


Cactus Jack 07 Apr 2018, 20:58

Nora,

If you were wearing the +1.50 readers, the 62 cm you got in your Left Eye, indicates that you are a tiny bit myopic in that eye, but not even -0.25. The 65 cm in your Right Eye is almost exactly what it should be with +1.50 readers.

The formula developed by Sir Isaac Newton is:

100 cm / Focal Distance = Lens Power

or

100 cm / Lens Power = Focal Distance

In this case

100 cm / +1.50 = 66.66 cm

You got less than that which indicates a tiny bit of Myopia,

My suggestion is to try to read as much as you can prior to the exam, but be careful about trying to cheat. Difficulty reading distant signs in low light conditions is a good symptom. Might get you a small prescription.

You might review "How to study for and Eye Exam" prior to Monday.

Here it is.HOW TO STUDY FOR AN EYE EXAM

An eye exam is not like an exam that you might take in school and there is really no way to study for it. However, you can prepare for it and learn about your role in the exam. The best eye exams are a team effort between you and the Examiner (hereafter referred to as the Eye Care Professional or the ECP). Part of the preparation is to learn what to expect, particularly if this is your first eye exam.

One important thing you need to keep in mind is that the ECP, has no way to experience what you are seeing. The ECP has to depend on your answers to important questions.

There are two parts to an eye exam.

The first part is the Objective part. This part consists of:

1. Taking a Visual History where you describe your vision and the kinds of problems you are having. Please tell the ECP everything. In some ways the ECP must be a detective and every clue is important.

2. Checking the internal pressure in your eyes for symptoms of Glaucoma. This is one of the very few parts of an eye exam that is even mildly uncomfortable and the discomfort only lasts for a few seconds. There are two basic ways to do the pressure test.

A. Using a special instrument to lightly touch your Cornea. No real worry there. Before doing this type of test a drop of mild anesthetic will make sure you donít even feel it.

B. There is a new type instrument that uses a puff of air directed against your cornea. No anesthetic is required, but the puff will startle you. The puff of air is harmless.

There are huge benefits to these simple tests to detect Glaucoma early, before it can do damage. Early discovery can save your eyesight.

3. The ECP will also get a preliminary estimate of your refractive error by using an Auto-Refractor or manually by using a small hand held instrument called an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope.

The Auto-Refractor is a relatively new instrument that was developed in conjunction with NASA to check Astronauts vision in space. You just look into the machine with each eye individually or in some machines both eyes are checked at the same time. When you look into the machine, you will see a scene or a pattern. The machine will adjust its internal lenses to focus the image you see, on your Retina. The Auto-Refractor only takes a few seconds for each eye and it then prints out your estimated prescription.

Some ECPs prefer to use manual methods that have been used for many years. Using an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope and a Trial Lens set or a Phoropter (a fancy machine with a built in lens set), the ECP will look into your eyes and select the lenses that allow him/her to see your Retina, most clearly.

This first part of the exam was to get to a starting place for the Subjective part of the exam where you have to describe what you see.

The second part of the exam is the Subjective part:

Typically the Subjective part of the exam starts with the Right Eye shutter open and the Left Eye shutter closed.

Step 1 is typically determining the Cylinder and Axis of any Astigmatism correction you need.

This is actually the hardest part of the exam because you will be asked to judge relative blurriness of two images rather than the relative sharpness of two images, which follows.

You will be shown a line of text and a supplemental lens will be rotated into place. This lens is a cylinder lens that is mounted on a 45 degree pivot. It can be flipped back an forth to bracket a ďtrial axisĒ or orientation of the long Axis of the Cylinder lens.

The thing that is confusing about this test is that the straight lines (strokes) of the letters will alternate in clarity as the lens is flipped back and forth depending on the direction of the stroke.

I suggest concentrating on an ďOĒ if possible. Depending on your answers, the ECP will adjust the axis knob unit the image you see is equally blurry with the supplemental lens 45 degrees each side of the selected axis.

At this point the ECP will probably swing the supplemental lens out of the way and may change the Cylinder power, while asking you which lens is shaper and clearer.

ďFine TuningĒ the Axis

If you have not had many eye exams, you may be uncomfortable asking the ECP to let you fine tune the Cylinder Axis. It is often beneficial to mention that you would like to Fine Tune the Axis at the appropriate point in the exam, before the exam starts. I have found that most ECPs will appreciate your wanting to actively participate in the exam.

The way this works is that the ECP will place your hand on the Axis control knob. This time, you move it back and forth a few degrees looking for the sharpest image. It is a bit like ďFine TuningĒ an old Analog TV set or moving the tuning knob on an analog AM radio for the best signal. As you move the knob, you may notice that the letters appear distorted (an uncorrected Astigmatism effect), all you have to do is stop moving the knob when the image looks the sharpest and has the proper shape. It is that simple.

The next step is determining the Sphere correction.

This is an easy part of the exam because all you have to do is pick the sharpest image, but there is a tricky part. Your auto-focus mechanism will try to help, if it gets a chance. The ECP has a couple of ways to minimize the action of your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses.

The ECP can ďsneak upĒ on your Sphere prescription or the ECP can use drops to Dilate your eyes. Lets talk about sneaking up on your prescription first.

There are actually FOUR lenses* in your eyeís lens system, but for our purposes we will only consider two of them, the Cornea and the Crystalline Lens. All of the lenses are PLUS lenses. The total relaxed power of all the lenses added together is typically about +56 to +60 diopters. The only VARIABLE focus lens is the Crystalline Lens. The rest of the lenses are FIXED or SEMI-FiXED power. The PLUS power of your Crystalline Lens is controlled by your Ciliary Muscles. For distance, your Crystalline Lenses should be fully relaxed with a power of somewhere around +15 diopters. When you focus to read, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze the Crystalline Lenses to increase their PLUS power by the amount necessary to sharply focus the image on your Retina. The amount of additional PLUS needed, depends on the distance to the object. Typically around +2.50, but it can be a bit more, depending on how close you like to read. (See Presbyopia, below)

This will take a little thought to get your mind around, but if you are nearsighted (Myopic), your lens system has too much PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your Retina and you need MINUS lenses to neutralize some of that excess PLUS power. You ONLY have the ability to increase the PLUS power of your lens system. You have NO ability to reduce the PLUS power of your Crystalline lenses to LESS than that in the fully relaxed condition. (That is why people who are Myopic need external correction).

If you are farsighted (fHyperopic), your lens system does not have enough PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your Retina and you need PLUS lenses to focus images on your Retina. If Presbyopia does not prevent it, you have some ability to correct Hyperopia, internally.

To try to keep your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses from getting in the act, the ECP will start with NOT ENOUGH MINUS or TOO MUCH PLUS (optically. the same thing) and gradually increase the MINUS or decrease the PLUS, one or two steps at a time, while reducing the size of the line you are asked to read. ECP will not tell you what power lens or what line you are looking at. Eventually, ECP will reach the 20/20 line and a lens power that lets you read it with no mistakes.

The ECP will then follow the same procedure with your Left Eye.

When examiner has completed checking both eyes, he/she will open the shutters and you will likely see two separate images. This is intentional. This part of the exam is to check your muscle balance using some prisms that can separate the images both Horizontally and Vertically. ECP will probably ask you to tell him when the two images are aligned Horizontally and then Vertically.

While the images are separated, YOU have a very important check to make. Compare the sharpness of the two images. If they are not equally sharp, be sure and tell the ECP which image is clearer. If there is a difference, the examiner will likely reduce the sharpness of the clearest image until they match. The important thing at this point is that they match. That lack of sharpness will be corrected in the next phase with both eyes working together.

Next the ECP will fuse the two images so both eyes are working together and repeat the Sphere procedure by gradually increasing the MINUS or decreasing the PLUS simultaneously on both eyes until you see the 20/20 or sometimes the 20/15 line of letters, very clearly.

The final part of the exam is checking your near vision. This is done using a small chart about 14 to 16 inches or 35 to 40 cm from your eyes. The examiner will ask you to read the smallest (lowest) line you can without straining. If you need some near focusing help, the Sphere PLUS will be increased until you can read the very small text easily.

That pretty much completes the exam.

Many people, who wear glasses, actually look forward to eye exams. Once you have become accustomed to having very good vision, you will probably find anything less, unacceptable.

Many times, after the exam, it will be suggested that you com back for another exam, some time in the future. Note that I used the word ďsuggestedĒ. It is NOT a Command. If your detect a problem or if your vision seems uncomfortable, please DO NOT wait until the ďsuggestedĒ date to seek an appointment to get your vision checked.

If the exam is for a child, and it is their first exam, you can help relieve the natural anxiety by fully explaining what is going to happen and most importantly assure them that it does not hurt. You might even consider getting an exam yourself, first, while the child observes. Many ECPs are excellent with children, understand their apprehension, and will go to great lengths to make them comfortable. This is very important, The best exams occur when the patient is relaxed.

I hope this helps. If you have any questions, please donít hesitate to ask.

The FOUR lenses in your eyes are: (from front to back)

1. The Cornea, a very strong fixed focus PLUS lens. The usual source of Astigmatism if the front surface is not a evenly curved. Note that the Cornea is living tissue that DOES NOT have a blood supply. It must get is Oxygen and Nutrients from tears and the air.

2. The Aqueous Humor, a watery fluid between the Cornea and the Iris. It has very little PLUS, but its power can be affected by blood chemistry, particularly abnormal Blood Glucose (diabetes)

3. The Crystalline Lens, a very strong variable focus lens whose power is Increased (only) by the action of the Ciliary Muscles. The Crystalline Lens is affected by Presbyopia and also the lens that can cloud up and become opaque. A condition called Cataract which requires surgery to correct. Most Cataract surgery today requires about 15 minutes per eye. The clouded Crystalline Lens is emulsified and removed thru a tiny incision in the side of the Cornea and an Intra Ocular Lens (IOL) is put in its place. The power of the IOL can be selected to correct Myopia or Hyperopia if desired. Initial recovery is very fast (hours) and resumption of most normal activities (some minor limitations) the next day. It usually takes about 30 days for complete recovery and a final prescription.

4. The Vitreous Humor, a thick gel that fills the eyeball behind the Crystalline Lens and the Retina. It contributes some PLUS, but like the Aqueous Humor, its power can be affected by blood chemistry.

Note: For most vision correction purposes, we only consider the Cornea, the Crystalline Lens, and the Ciliary Muscles.


Soundmanpt 07 Apr 2018, 18:00

Nora

That's great. Now just be sure when yo go that you make a point of telling them about how you don't feel like you're seeing things at night as well as were a few months ago when driving at night. Dom't say anything their about having any problems with seeing the board unless you really are. But you should mention how when your do a lot of reading and studying your eyes are a bit blurry when you look in the distance.

This should get you your first glasses. Be sure when you go on Monday that you get a copy of your prescription as well as asking for your PD measurement. You will need both of these things if you want to order your glasses on line. If you're wondering PD is "pupil distance" or better put the distance between your pupils in millimeters. Now insurance is going to pay nearly if not the total cost of your glasses so enjoy picking out your first glasses. But don't leave without getting your prescription in writing as well as your PD measurement. Their going to recommend that you get an AR coating on your glasses. You really do want that because you're going to be wearing your glasses quite often when you get them and thta coating is very nice to have because it will eliminate a lot of glare and reflections off your glasses. This will be a real help when you are driving at night and even if you want to take some selfies of you wearing your glasses.

If your mother had glasses when she was around 18 i'm pretty sure she was nearsighted. That's a very good sign for you if you happen to have her genes for your eyes. It could mean that your eyes are really starting to become nearsighted on their own. But no harm in helping them along.

Interesting that your mother wasn't at all surprised when you told her that you have been having trouble with seeing the board at school and driving at night. It sounds like she already had a feeling that you might be needing to start wearing glasses soon. So she's not going to question how much you're wearing your glasses when you get them. The prescription you're going to get unless they maybe find out that you really are a little bit nearsighted should be -.50 both eyes and it's possible that you might even have a small aount of astigmatism as well that you don't even know about.


Nora 07 Apr 2018, 14:46

Soundmanpt

I told my parents I might need to get my eyes checked, and the scheduled an appointment for Monday. It wasn't too bad, everyone's pretty chill with the thought. My mom wears glasses, and has since she was about eighteen, according to photos, so I don't think she was all that surprised when I told her I had been having trouble seeing the board and driving at night.

Nora


Nora 07 Apr 2018, 14:41

Cactus Jack,

Sorry, the prescription was +1.5.


Soundmanpt 07 Apr 2018, 08:46

Nora

You didn't say if either of your parents wear glasses for distance or not. If so do you know when they got their first pairs of glasses? If either of them got glasses for distance during their teens years or earlier you would have at least a 50% chance of having their genes for your eyes meaning that you could almost certainly soon start to notice a change in your eyesight requiring you to start wearing glasses. However if neither of them wear glasses for distance inducing will be your only option for wearing glasses.

As I woke up this morning I recalled your comment to "Cactus Jack" on April 6th "If there is anything wrong with my eyes, it's nothing big at all. More like when I read or do school work for very long periods of time things at a distance appear a slightest bit blurry, although not enough to be very noticeable." "Antonio" beat me to it with his response. Doing so much close work does seem to be having some effect on your eyes. If things at a distance are even just slightly blurry it could very well be an indication that you're developing some nearsightedness. Even though you don't think it's enough to get you glasses you could be wrong. It means that your eyes tire out which means when your reading and studying you're straining your eyes more than you should be. So if you go for the eye exam like I suggested you should be sure to tell the doctor that also. The main thing is that you somehow need to get prescribed with glasses otherwise with living at home I don't see anyway that you can serious work at inducing myopia unless your able to wear glasses full time. Just wearing at school when your away from home probably won't be enough to weaken your eyesight enough.


Cactus Jack 07 Apr 2018, 04:19

Nora,

You did not mention the POWER of the OTC readers you used. It is important. Otherwise the distances are meaningless.

C.


Antonio 07 Apr 2018, 03:42

Hi Nora,

from what you describe your eyes are maybe on their way to start to get a little shortsighted, thus blurrying your sight far away a little after extensive reading nearby.

Best regards, Antonio

(already being shortsighted)


Soundmanpt 06 Apr 2018, 16:06

Nora

Whenever you're able and ready ot start wearing glasses I suggest that you order your glasses on-line from Zenni (zennioptical.com) You can get glasses with whatever prescription you want for as low as $6.95. At 17 your eyes should adjust rather easily to glasses with at least a -1.00 prescription in a very short time. If you already have your driver's license that's even better. Then also tell your parents that you have been noticing that you aren't able to see the board at school very well and that driving at night you aren't able to see road signs until your pretty close to them and you think that you should get your eyes examined. The one thing ALL optometrists are forced to take your word for is being able to see after dark. Many people really do have something the optometrists call "night blindness" which only means that even though you maybe able to see the 20/20 line perfectly you might not be able to see things in the dark nearly as well. In some cases it's a fore runner of becoming nearsighted but not always. My best friends wife has perfect vision during ten day and she has no problem at with driving during the day just fine. But once it gets dark she needs her glasses in order for her to see to drive. She got her glasses about 5 years ago and her eyesight has gotten no worse. Anyway if you think about i'm sure that you don't see as well driving at night as you do during the day. Everybody sees better during the day, so not really much of a lie. You first need to be prescribed glasses other wise how are you going to be able to wear glasses from morning until bedtime living at home? Once you get prescribed with glasses and you wear them for a few weeks you suddenly lose them. Hide them in the attic or someplace they won't be found. Then you simply say how you found out about how you can order glasses on line for hardly anything. Then you order your new glasses with a stronger prescription.


Nora 06 Apr 2018, 15:35

Cactus Jack,

I ended up getting the reading glasses today after all. I did the test exactly as you said and the results were 62 cm for my left eye and 65 for my left. I'm not sure if the type size matters but I used my old copy of the book adrift on a sea of blue light, which is pretty standard.

Thanks

Nora


Nora 06 Apr 2018, 15:14

Soundmanpt

About the board thing - we're on vacation until the sixteenth...


Nora 06 Apr 2018, 15:12

Soundmanpt,

Yes, I am living with my parents currently, and I do have a gift card from my birthday I could use. I will take your advice and try to tell them I'm having trouble driving at night, but I'm not a very good liar. I'll see how it goes.

Nora


Soundmanpt 06 Apr 2018, 07:37

Nora

I am only going to add things that "Cactus Jack" didn't cover in his comment to you. The good news at being only 17 it really shouldn't take too much to change your vision from being perfect, or near perfect which they apparently are now to an actual prescription of about -1.00. But being 17 i'm sure that you're likely still living at home with mom and dad? So you do understand that in order to change your vision you're going to have to start wearing glasses completely full time from the minute you open your eye each morning until you close them that night to go to sleep. So exactly how are you planning on doing that while living at home? Also you're going to need a credit card so you can even order the glasses you're going to need in order to start changing your vision. Now I have a way to get you stared at least. First of all I assume tha you have health insurance which also has vision included? So you need to tell your mother, or dad, whichever you seem to be able to work better, that you are having trouble seeing the board at school. You're old enough that you can even suggest that you get your eyes examined. When you go in and fill out the information sheet it is going to ask your reason for getting your eyes examined. Simply put down that you don't feel like your able to see as well when driving at night. Even if you don't drive yet. Then do the eye exm normally and don't try to cheat in anyway. Just comment to the doctor about having trouble seeing at night. Near the end of the exam the doctor will refract your eyes. You will be looking at the eyechart as the doctor adds in some lenses in the refractor and when finished you will be handed a prescription for glasses. It's only going to be -.50 both eyes but at least enough to get you your first prescription for glasses. Then you will be able to try on as many frames as you want until you find you find the perfect pair. You're going to be told that you only need your glasses when driving at night but that you can also wear them anytime that you feel like you might need them. Of course once you get your glasses you can wear them as much as you wish. Now once you have glasses going on line and ordering stronger glasses on line will be very easy. Every one will just think that you just wanted another pair o glasses. They won't know that their stronger. Once your able to start wearing the stronger glasses if your wear them full time they should weaken your eyes rather quickly to your goal of being around -1.00. You do understand that to get to -1.00 your going to have to wear glasses somewhere around -2.50.


Soundmanpt 06 Apr 2018, 07:05

jane

Okay not a real problem if you can't order the exact same pair. Actually even getting your new pairs in a completely different frame shouldn't be an issue. Did you only star wearing glasses 3 months ago or had you already been wearing your actual -.25 with the slight astigmatism full time? Since you started wearing your -1.25 glasses full time everyone is used to seeing you in glasses which is good. Now since your a woman and we all know women enjoy changing their looks and trying new things which can include their glasses look. So getting new glasses and having people notice that you're wearing different glasses can easily be explained by simply saying that someone told you about being able to order your own glasses on line so you checked it out and found a pair that you just had to get. After all now that you're a full time glasses wearer wanting to get a 2nd pair would be understandable. But you can't be showing up wearing different glasses every couple weeks or some may start questioning things. If I were you I would order 3 pairs in the same frame each with -2.00 -3.00 and -4.00 lenses. That should be enough over correction to weaken your eyes enough to provide you with a stronger prescription than your current -.25.

I was hoping that it didn't take your eyes 3 months to adjust to your -1.25 glasses. That's a good sign that your eyes adjusted to your glasses so fast. But that was also a sign that you needed to go to stronger glasses much sooner than 3 months. By now i'm sure that your glasses feel like their your real prescription. In other words their not stressing your eyes anymore and your eyes are simply enjoying being over corrected. Right now with your glasses your vision is probably about 20/10. So you're able to see thing at a distance much better than any of your friends with their perfect vision. When you get your -2.00 glasses please be careful before driving wearing the stronger glasses that your eyes have adjusted well enough that your able to see well enough to drive safely. When you first start wearing them they could effect your ability to judge distances. Otherwise known as your depth perception.

Have you placed your order for stronger glasses yet? Where did you get your -1.25 glasses from and where will your next glasses be coming from?


Nora 06 Apr 2018, 04:23

Cactus Jack

I took the astigmatism test and found nothing to be wrong. I will get the reading glasses next time I head into town (Mondayish). In the mean time is there anything else I should do?

If there is anything wrong with my eyes, it's nothing big at all. More like when I read or do school work for very long periods of time things at a distance appear a slightest bit blurry, although not enough to be very noticeable.

Nora


Cactus Jack 05 Apr 2018, 21:24

Nora,

The first step is to get an idea of your refractive error, if any. Here are two simple tests you can do.Here are two simple tests.

The first is for Astigmatism. Here is the link to an Astigmatism test chart.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/astigtest.html

The instructions are pretty clear. Please let me know the results of this test.

The next test is to estimate your refractive error, if any.

You will need the following items:

1. A pair of inexpensive Over-the-Counter (OTC) +1.50 or +1.75 reading glasses.

These glasses will actually simulate being mildly nearsighted. The purpose is to get the target's focus in to a conveniently measurable range (less than arms length).

2. A "target" which is a book or newspaper with small print.

3. A tape measure calibrated in either cm or inches (your preference). Unless your refractive error is very large, the OTC reading glasses will make the focus distance less than 66 cm or 26 inches, which is easy to measure fairly accurately.

Procedure with each eye individually.

1. In a location with good, but not BRIGHT light, put on the OTC reading glasses.

2. Hold the target close enough to see the text clearly (usually around (30 cm or 13 inches).

3. Slowly move the target away from your eyes until the text JUST begins to get fuzzy around the edges of the text.

4. Note the distance.

5. Repeat steps 2, 3, and 4 three times and average the distance.

6. Let me know the results for each eye and the power of the OTC reading glasses you used.

Note: Please do not use prescription reading glasses for this test. They could have some Cylinder correction for astigmatism, which would introduce unknown errors in the results. I don't know where you live, but you may be able to find some inexpensive OTC reading glasses in what we call "dollar" stores in the US. They may not be optically "wonderful", but they are good enough for this test.

C.


Nora 05 Apr 2018, 20:23

Hello everyone,

I'm new here and was just wondering how exactly I should go about trying to get my vision to around -1 or so. If possible about how long would it take? I've wanted glasses for a while and maybe need them a tiny bit, idk, but not enough to get.

Thanks!

By the way I'm 17. Not sure if that matters.


jane 05 Apr 2018, 18:28

is there anything I can do if I can't get the exact same pair of glasses in a stronger prescription?

I found a pair that looks similar, but not exactly, to the ones but I'm scared people will notice anyways. If I do get the similar pair, do you think people will notice? Here are the pairs in question:

https://www.coastal.com/glasses/superdry/superdry-navigator-52?v=havana-tort

https://www.warbyparker.com/eyeglasses/women/rose/tea-rose-fade

Thanks for all the help so far, you've been really helpful. As for your question, I got used to the -1.25 glasses pretty much immediately.


Soundmanpt 05 Apr 2018, 12:12

jane

If your vision is good with your -1.25 glasses then it's time to go stronger. When you started wearing your -1.25 glasses do you remember how long it was until they felt totally comfortably to you? Hopefully when you get the -2.00 glasses they become comfortable after maybe 2 weeks so you can again increase.

Yes having that type of job should be helpful with inducing myopia. I also suggest that you try to sit as close to the scree as possible so your eyes are close also. A bit uncomfortable but it should help. Glad that you're already wearing your glasses from morning until night. Continue to do that of course. You just need to push your eyes as much as possible.


jane 05 Apr 2018, 10:13

hi soundmanpt,

I am able to see really well with the glasses, and I currently work with computers 24/7 so hopefully that will help some. I am going to try a pair of -2 glasses in the same frame soon, that's a brilliant idea. I do wear the glasses from when I wake up until I sleep, though I find my vision has gone back to normal as soon as I have woken up unfortunately. I have only worn them for about 3 months though.


Soundmanpt 05 Apr 2018, 09:52

jane

Everyone's eyes are different in regards to how they will react to inducing myopia. At 29 it's hard to say how much if any you might be able to induce by over correcting your eyes. If you have read many of the comments in this thread you will see that the younger you are the more likely you're eyes can be changed. In just a couple of recent cases you will see that "denden" is working hard at trying to induce a bit of myopia and so far she isn't having much success. She is 23. But MROP (Molly) started trying to induce about 6 or 7 months ago when her vision was a perfect 20/20. Her recent eye exam she was thrilled to get her first prescription for glasses and she has enough of a prescription that she already needs to wear her glasses full time. She is only 19. But there have been others considerably older than 29 that has induced myopia. The good news is since you can go on line and order glasses in whatever prescription you want and you have a very large selection of glasses to choose from for under $13.00 it really doesn't cost you very much to try. At -.25 and a small amount of astigmatism you hardly even need glasses now. Starting off with -1.25 including your actual astigmatisms is a good place to start. How long have you been wearing those glasses? How well are you able to see wearing the stronger glasses? Distance and close up? Are you wearing those glasses from the time you open your eyes in the morning until you take them off at bedtime? If your eyes are completely comfortable wearing your -1.25 glasses then it's time for you to order stronger glasses. I would suggest at least -2.00 or -2.25. At the same time as you're ordering those glasses i would suggest ordering the same frame in -3.00 as well. If the glasses you got with the -1.25 are still available i would suggest ordering them in the same exact frame with the stronger lenses. People aren't going to notice your glasses getting stronger but they will notice new glasses in a different frame. So as soon as your glasses get completely comfortable and your able to see perfect wearing the stronger glasses you need to increase it right away. When you first started wearing your -1.25 glasses did you feel any pulling on your eyes? If you did that is a good thing. You want your eyes to be slightly stressed as much as possible. What type of work do you do?


jane 04 Apr 2018, 19:35

Hi there,

I currently have a prescription of -0.25 in both eyes with some astigmatism, and am currently wearing glasses with -1.25 correction in both eyes. I am 29 years old.

At my age, is it possible to induce permanent myopia? I want to wear glasses at least -3 in both eyes, if not more. Is this unrealistic, or can I continue to overcorrect my eyes, and have people my age had success?

If so, how often should I be changing prescriptions? Thanks in advance!


Soundmanpt 03 Apr 2018, 10:37

MROP

You've had your "real" glasses for over a week now so your eyes should be completely adjusted to them by now. You have to be pleasantly surprised by how much you actually really do your glasses for now. You were going to be happy with just getting a prescription of -.50 and you far exceeded that. So are you a bit like "denden" in that you not only enjoy wearing glasses but also the blurry world you see when you take your glasses off? For her that is something she is looking forward to if she can get her eyes to cooperate with her. You know when you go back in 3 months to get re-examined to determine how much of an increase your going to need. They will have to order your lenses for your glasses. Then they will call you when your new lenses come in. They are going to take your glasses from you so they can cut your new lenses and fit them into your glasses. You're going to be without glasses for at least an hour or more. You certainly won't be able to see well enough to drive anywhere. Remember by then your eyesight is going to be slightly worse than it is now without your glasses. And of course you don't want them to know that you have any other glasses to wear. But since you enjoyed being able to try on so may glasses when you got your current glasses you can spend the you're waiting trying on more glasses. By then they are sure to have a number of new frames come in.

Have you told your mom and dad that you got glasses? I'm sure you have probably talked to them since you got your glasses. When you were you did a great job in complaining about your eyesight so they shouldn't be too surprised that you're wearing glasses now. When are you going home again?


Cactus Jack 01 Apr 2018, 12:44

Antonio,

The server seems to be rather slow today in responding to new posts. Sometimes the "Submit" button will change to reverse video if the name of the site is acceptable, but not always.

When the server is slow, each time you click on the "Submit" button, it will transmit your post. The result is multiple posts.

C.


Antonio 01 Apr 2018, 05:00

Hi Kiki,

how strong are your current ones, you don't see good enough through?

Best regards, antonio


Antonio 01 Apr 2018, 05:00

Hi Kiki,

how strong are your current ones, you don't see good enough through?

Best regards, antonio


Antonio 01 Apr 2018, 05:00

Hi Kiki,

how strong are your current ones, you don't see good enough through?

Best regards, antonio


Kiki 30 Mar 2018, 05:45

I'm 24 I started To wear glasses when i Was 16. But with 0.75 myopia and 1.25 astigmatism.but i changed country at 20 year old and i Was prescribe less than i Was. But I don't see well far with my prescription . Sometimes, i don't have 10/10 with my prescription. I did orthoptic rehabilitation.


Antonio 30 Mar 2018, 03:03

Hi Kiki,

It's a typical and nice starter prescriotion you got. Worth to wear full time or at least very often.

Perhaps more to come next years.

How old are you?

Best regards, antonio


Antonio 30 Mar 2018, 01:28

Hi Kiki,

they really do not differ much.

Perhaps you take the second?

But because of your astigmatism ( second numbers at angle third number) i.e. cylindrical part of your lenses you could gain quite some sharpness when wearing them I guess.

If you like discuss with us on

lenschat.com

Best regards, antonio


Antonio 30 Mar 2018, 01:28

Hi Kiki,

they really do not differ much.

Perhaps you take the second?

But because of your astigmatism ( second numbers at angle third number) i.e. cylindrical part of your lenses you could gain quite some sharpness when wearing them I guess.

If you like discuss with us on

lenschat.com

Best regards, antonio


Kiki 30 Mar 2018, 00:11

Hello,

I'm new here. I would like to know in 2 prescription which one is look pthe strongest.

First

Right-0.5(-1.00) 30į

Left-0.25(-1.00) 130į

Second

R -0.5 (-0.75 40į)

L -0.5 (-0.75 150į)

Thanks


Soundmanpt 29 Mar 2018, 14:24

denden

I totally understand. But at the same time you need to be careful with over wearing your contacts because apparently it's having an effect on your eyes in a bad way. Doctors can tell if you're doing or getting close to doing damage to your eyes when you are abusing the use of contacts. That kind of damage isn't what you want for your eyes. If you're getting too much eyestrain from wearing over correction then don't wear as much over correction and you probably won't get the "fishbowl" effect and not as much eye strain either. Yes you want your eyes to be stressed but not the point where it is bothering you too much. So back off some and wear glasses that are more comfortable to your eyes and yet stronger than you need.

It's possible that you waited too long to decide to do this. So you may not be able to induce any myopia. You're clearly a very smart young lady so I think you will come up with something that will put you in glasses like you want. You certainly already know that you're able to wear glasses stronger than you actually need. So just doing that is one option and you already know all about wearing GOC from your high school days. Too bad when you were in high school you didn't try wearing your stronger glasses without using the plus contacts. If you had done that often enough you probably would be wearing stronger glasses today.


denden 29 Mar 2018, 11:28

Soundmanpt,

Fair enough. I just prefer contacts when overcorrecting because the fishbowl effect, coupled with the eye strain from overcorrection, is too much for me.

My EyeQue vision test kit arrived! After spending an hour with the kit, my average result was as follows: R -0.50 SPH L -0.25 SPH -0.50 CYL 14.

This is close to my actual prescription. The Axis is slightly different from what I"ve beeb getting in my actual prescriptions. It is somewhat disappointing that the SPH in either eye did not increase despite my efforts. In favy my right eye appeared less myopic than I thought.

I will use this kit every month to track my progress.


MROP 29 Mar 2018, 06:26

Soundmanpt.

Yes I did enjoy that, only from the point that Iíve been waiting for my own glasses for so long.

Interesting story, Iím sure Iíll feel the same with my astigmatism correction before long! Iím loving my new glasses and feel so comfortable wearing them. My headaches have gone completely, itís mad to think Iíve needed glasses all this time without knowing!


Soundmanpt 28 Mar 2018, 11:55

MROP

I guess what I was trying to ask you was, did you enjoy having someone adjust your glasses with all of the attention being about your glasses and how they felt?

Yes, i'm sure if you have been getting headache it was caused by your astigmatisms and not stress. And you probably thought they were caused by wearing glasses that were too strong for your eyes. Wait until your eyes are fully adjusted to your glasses before you try testing how long you need your glasses to be off before you start getting a headache.I have a feeling it won't be very long. Several years ago the girl that regularly cut my hair decided to retire because she was about to be a mom and thought that was going to me a full time job. So I needed to find a new place to go. I stopped into a chain shop one evening not far from my home. Their was 2 girls working and I was really hoping to get the cuter of the 2 and she was wearing glasses so an added bonus as well. It was my lucky night and I was her customer. I had noticed when I came in that she was constantly pushing her glasses up and as soon as she pushed them up they would slide right back down again. Anyway I told her as she was cutting my hair that when she finished I would fix her glasses so she wouldn't have to keep pushing them up. She said that would be great. she then told me that she had only started wearing glasses 2 weeks before and she was still trying to get used to wearing them. As she was cutting sh told me the whole story. She said tha about 6 months before she was starting to get headaches and they were becoming more and more frequent. She said that they would usually come around mid day. So she finally decided to she her primary doctor. After he examined her he asked her when she last had her eyes examined? It had been a while but she could see fine and told him so. But he insisted that based on where she said her head hurt indicated a vision problem. So she took his advice and made an appointment t get her eyes checked even though she was sure they were perfect. She was able to read every line on the eyechart perfectly and was sure she right about her eyes. But after the doctor shined a light in her eyes several times he seemed to find something. When he was finished he told her that she needed glasses which totally surprised her. Even worse he told her that she needed to wear her glasses full time if she didn't want the headaches. She was sure he wrong but she picked out glasses anyway. So the next day after getting her glasses which she had not bothered wearing she was at work cutting hair when she felt a headache coming on. She did have her glasses in her bag so she decided to put them on just to proof that she really didn't need glasses expecting the headache to only get worse. But after a few minutes with her glasses on her headache was gone completely. So she left her glasses on the rest of the day and no sign of a headache. The next day she again went to work without wearing her glasses. Again she started to feel a headache coming so she again put her glasses on and again the headache was soon gone. From then on she kept her glasses on as she was told to do.She showed me her prescription slip and it read O.D. -0.00 CYL -.75 axis 180 / O.S. 0.00 CYL -.75 axis 180. Anyway when she was finished with cutting my hair I used her hairdryer to warm her frame and bent her earpieces down more so they kept her glasses up in place. Not long after that she asked me about getting contacts because she was getting married soon and she didn't want to have to wear her glasses to to walk down the aisle. I told her that the kind of contacts she would need were quite expensive. She ended up taking her glasses off just before she started walking down the aisle with her dad. She wore her glasses the rest of the day including at her reception. She since moved away because her husband got a job out of town. Remind me I need a haircut.


Soundmanpt 28 Mar 2018, 11:05

denden

It really doesn't matter if you wear contacts or glasses when you're over correcting trying to induce myopia. Either should work fine for that. But it sounds like you mostly wear contacts in doing this so your eyes are much more used to your contacts than they are to your glasses. Switching from contacts to glasses is often a problem even for wearing an actual prescription because your vision is slightly different with glasses than it is with contacts. Even worse in your case because your wearing glasses and contacts much stronger than you need. That "fishbowl" effect you see with your glasses is caused by the shape of your lenses. Take a pair of your weaker glasses and close your eyes and wipe them as if you were cleaning them. Now do the same with your stronger glasses. besides the lenses of your stronger glasses being thicker did you notice that they have a much more noticeable curve on the inside of the lens? That curve is what your eyes are seeing and giving you that fishbowl effect. You just need to start wearing your glasses more and not your contacts. That fishbowl feeling will soon go away.

I assume that you'r going to continue wearing over correction hoping that your eyes will soon give in to looking through so much over correction and changing. You can only hope that you didn't wait too long with deciding that you want to induce myopia. MROP is 19 so 4 years younger than you and her eyes didn't seem to have any problem with becoming myopic rather quickly and easily. But worse case if you're unable to induce any myopia you can still continue to wear glasses stronger than you need since your eyes seem okay with that. But the sadly the other part of you dream was having your eyesight blurry enough that you could take off your glasses and look at the world through your blurry eyes. kind of like being in your own little blurry world. But you would still have a few minutes while your eyes refocus to look into that blurry world before your natural vision returns.Also sine you're already used to doing GOC you could always do a version of that to get the blur that you want. If you wore +1.25 contacts without any glasses your vision would be at about -1.75 / -2.00 including you real prescription. Then instead of only wearing -1.75/ -2.00 glasses wear over correction of maybe -3.50 Kind of like when you were in high school.


MROP 28 Mar 2018, 10:41

Soundmanpt

He had to make a few adjustments which was fine!

Iíve been getting headahes yes but as mentioned, my doctor put this down to stress rather than my eyes! Guess he was wrong!

I quite like that I need astigmatism correction, Iím interested to see how quickly I get headaches when I take them off for a while!

Iím still going to order some glasses that are stronger with my astigmatism prescription in yes


Soundmanpt 28 Mar 2018, 09:59

MROP

I had a feeling that you would enjoy getting your glasses fitted for you. Did the optician have to make several adjustments to your glasses to get them totally comfortable on you? Did you enjoy all the way the optician was gently removing and replacing your glasses as he or she was making adjustments to your glasses? If you enjoyed getting your glasses fitted you know yo u can always take any of your glasses that you have gotten on line and have them adjusted as well. But of course you need to take them to a different optical store that don't know you. You can always do that. They don't care that your glasses didn't come from their store. That way all of your over correcting glasses will fit you nicely as well. There is no real rush with getting back to over correcting you have 12 weeks before you go back for a recheck of your eyes. So for at least a week or so you should continue to enjoy wearing your actual prescription so your eyes can get fully adjusted to the astigmatism correct in your glasses since that is all new to you. Once you start back wearing over correction I really don't think it is going to be that hard to get your eyes closer to the -2.00 you want them to be at. If you include your astigmatisms vision you're already pretty close to that now. So far your eyes have been very cooperative with inducing myopia so I see no reason why in 3 months with you continuing to wear over correction you should easily need an increase of about -.50 or -.75 added to your glasses. I'm sure that you love the way your new glasses feel and you're totally enjoying wearing them. So I agree when you do start over correcting wearing contacts under your glasses is a great way to do it so you can continue wearing your glasses.Are you still planning on ordering a pair of glasses with stronger SPH but adding your real CYL and axis numbers?

I wouldn't think that being off by 3 millimeters on your PD would have caused you to need astigmatism correction. Since you first started wearing glasses last fall have you been getting frequent headaches? I would think that your need need for astigmatism correction being as much as it is would have caused you get headaches quite often since your glasses of course didn't have any astigmatism correction in them. Now that you have glasses with astigmatism correction included having your glasses off for more than a few minutes will almost certainly bring on a headache now. I always wonder when people come in this tread and they say how much they want to wear glasses, real glasses not "fake" glasses that you can buy at the boutiques how much thought they have put into it. In my chats with both you and "denden" you both seemed to have carefully thought a lot about your decisions to want to induce myopia. Unlike many you both had a very reasonable for a prescription you wanted to be wearing as your full time glasses. That alone told me that you both were really serious and totally understood that the result would mean that your eyesight would no longer be perfect except with glasses or contacts. So i'm sure that you're truly happy with your eyes being less than perfect now and you don't have any regrets. Your able to see perfect with your glasses and that's really all that matters when you think about it.


Antonio 27 Mar 2018, 13:59

MROP, maybe you always wanted glasses to fight your astigmatism and years of endring head aches. I.m very glad your glasses solved that problem for you now !!!

How does it feel to dit in a lecture and to know you only can read the blackboard because of these lenses you wear in front of your shortsighted eyes??

Best regards, antonio


MROP 27 Mar 2018, 11:18

Soundmanpt,

I did enjoy the process yes! Donít worry Iím going to go back to wearing over correction soon. Iím going to use some contacts though, with my actual prescription glasses with my astigmatism in on top! Exciting times.

My PD wasnít horrendously off no.

I donít miss my old vision, Iím happy with how things are and yes, -2.00 is my overall aim!


MROP 27 Mar 2018, 11:18

Soundmanpt,

I did enjoy the process yes! Donít worry Iím going to go back to wearing over correction soon. Iím going to use some contacts though, with my actual prescription glasses with my astigmatism in on top! Exciting times.

My PD wasnít horrendously off no.

I donít miss my old vision, Iím happy with how things are and yes, -2.00 is my overall aim!


Soundmanpt 27 Mar 2018, 09:11

MROP

Did you enjoy the experience of getting your glasses fitted when you picked them up? I'm glad your eyes were able to adjust to them in such a short time. Always interesting how adjusting to astigmatism correction can make you feel. But lucky for you that you were only a little bit dizzy at first. Once your eyes adjust they don't have the problem again which is strange as well. It has to feel odd for you to be wearing glasses that your eyes actually need now even though they are considerably weaker than the glasses you have been wearing for the past few months. I'm glad that you intend to continue wearing over correction to make your eyes a bit more nearsighted. You really need to do that because you little old optometrists is fully expecting that when you return in 3 months your going to need your glasses changed a bit. Remember he assumes that your eyes changed naturally due to either your genes or maybe the added strain from extra reading and studying at college. He doesn't know that you worked hard to make your eyes see less than perfect by wearing over correction. If you were to stop over correcting now I doubt that your eyes would change at all in the next 3 months which would really confuse your doctor. So i'm sure that your really enjoying wearing glasses that are really your prescription now. But after a week or so you need to get back to over correcting so you will need maybe an increase of about -.50 or -.75 in your glasses. The reason he made it 3 months is because most optical stores now have a policy that if your prescription changes within 90 days they will change the lenses in you glasses at no charge to you. That will make your glasses right at -2.00ish which if I recall is about where you said early on is the glasses you would want to be wearing as your everyday glasses.

you were off slightly with measuring your PD so I don't know if that would be enough to have any effect on your astigmatisms or not. I honestly don't think so, but I could be wrong. Kind of nice that when you take your glasses off now things are blurry and they stay blurry. Are you going to miss not having perfect vision anymore?


! 27 Mar 2018, 06:41

Great MROP


MROP 27 Mar 2018, 01:13

So that last post was from me, MROP. Not sure why it gave me the nickname eyescene, thatís weird


eyescene 27 Mar 2018, 01:10

I got them! Iím really happy with my glasses. Everything is crystal clear with them on. It took a bit for me to get used to the astigmatism correction, I did feel a little dizzy, but thatís gone now!

My PD is 59 and Iíve been doing 62 online.


Soundmanpt 26 Mar 2018, 08:22

MROP

I'm sure it was a great feeling being unable to read the lower few lines on and having your eyes refracted for glasses. That had to be exciting because this was what you were hoping for.

I'm sure going out and trying ob so many frames and having an assistant help you pick out your glasses was a lot of fun as well. Now today the thrill will continue when you go to pickup your glasses. An optician or optical assistant will have you try on your glasses and ask you how they feel. You will tell him or her and they will do a fitting for you so your glasses are completely comfortable on you. Their going to check how they fit across your nose and behind your ears. They will make sure the earpieces rest comfortably behind your ears not too tight but not too loose either. They will ask you how your vision is with your glasses. I know that you're going to enjoy all the attention with getting your glasses fitted.

Be sure to ask what your PD measurement is so you can order glasses on line kn owing it is right. I look forward to hearing how you feel wearing your first glasses in your real prescription. I know you can't wait to put them on.


denden 26 Mar 2018, 05:16

Does anyone feel like overcorrection is easier to adjust to with contact lenses compared to glasses with the same prescription? With glasses I get headaches due to the fisheye effect I mentioned earlier and feel a natural urge to remove something that is making my vision worse. Not to mention I lie down a lot when I'm relaxing at home, it's actually my default position when I'm not doing work. With contacts I need about 5 minutes to adjust and then I almost forget their existence!

I would love to just overcorrect with contacts all the time but I do want to wear glasses too sometimes + my optometrist recently told me that I've been overwearing my contacts and that I should not keep them on for longer than 8 hours.


denden 26 Mar 2018, 04:54

MROP,

Sounds like you always had some astigmatism but you never got it prescribed until now. A friend of mine recently discovered he had -1.00 astigmatism in both eyes in addition to -0.50 and -0.75 myopia. He wasn't prescribed CYL lenses until his last eye test because he didn't suffer from blurry distance vision as much. His astigmatism became more noticeable when his myopia went up.

Have you told your family that you've been prescribed glasses? I remember you were worried about how they would take it. Also, are you considering to use toric lenses when you wear contacts from now on? Your astigmatism is significant enough to warrant toric lenses.

At what prescription are you planning to stop inducing? Will you wear your glasses full-time or part-time once you attain the amount of myopia you desire? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just really excited by your success!


MROP 26 Mar 2018, 00:35

Soundmanpt

I was shocked when there was a few lines I couldnít read yes! And it was great to have him switch the lenses until I eventually could. Iíve picked out some really nice rounded frames and go to collect them later today!

With the astigmatism, Iíve noticed that my left eye gets ridiculously tired very easily. When this happens I can struggle to see at all distances with it. I mean I can still see but not as clearly and it does take an effort, I often find myself straining. The right eye is noticeably better but this does get tired too and the same things happens, it just seems to take a little longer. Iíve been getting headaches generally for years,but my doctor put it down to stress (of uni/schoolwork). Thinking about it, they were probably my astigmatisms playing up, as the optician said theyíve likely been there for a while and just got worse recently.


Soundmanpt 25 Mar 2018, 14:31

denden

Very true. What you're doing is certainly a better option than smoking. But at least you weren't smoking all that much anyway.

i'm sure yo must have been disappointed that your eyesight was crystal clear wearing your actual prescription. I figured while you were wearing your real prescription you would be testing your eyes looking and hoping for some change in your vision. But for now you should continue trying for a while longer anyway. Your eyes just aren't wanting to cooperate are they? But at the same time they seem fine with be over corrected and you seem to see fine wearing stronger glasses and contacts which would seem like they would weaken your eyes by now. You and MROP both seemed to be progressing about the same with inducing myopia. She even lost several weeks when she went home and wasn't able to wear over correction as much as she had been. But her eyes cooperated even better than I think she expected. I knew she was going to get a prescription when she said that she couldn't see to drive at night anymore without glasses or contacts. That was a clear sign that her perfect vision was gone and she was starting to get nearsighted. Honestly i though she was going to be prescribed with about -.75 or maybe even -1.00 glasses as her first prescription. But she was slightly more nearsighted than that even and somehow she developed a decent amount of astigmatism to go along with it. i'm not sure how that happened. I wonder if she maybe was off with her PD measurement which caused it? I hope when she goes to pickup her glasses and get them fitted that she thinks to ask what her PD number is.


denden 25 Mar 2018, 11:04

Soundmanpt,

Obviously it's not ideal to put anything other than clean air into your lungs but the risks of smoking are greatly reduced if one switches to vaping. I've noticed improvements in my endurance and overall mood since I switched so I think it's working.

Unfortunately my real prescription contacts were giving me crystal clear vision. I don't think my myopia has progressed since I started this. It was somewhat demoralising but I will persist. That DNA test I mentioned also found a gene variant that is associated with a higher incidence of myopia so my genes may still allow an increase in my prescription.


Soundmanpt 25 Mar 2018, 10:24

denden

Glad to hear that your taking care of your health. it sounds like your DNA results were really pretty good except for the Macular Degeneration part. But doesn't everybody have some of that as we go from birth to being an adult? I'm not a smoker and never have been so I am glad to hear that your stopping that.But haven't they found that vaping isn't all that good for you either? But 3 or 4 times a week isn't very often but maybe try and get that down to zero.

I saw your comment back on March 23rd and I am glad that your interview went well. Fingers crossed that you get the job. If you don't get it i'm sure it was because you didn't wear glasses to your interview. haha Just kidding. No if you weren't feeling well and were already dizzy you did the right thing by only wearing contacts in your real prescription. It's a bit of a set back but necessary and you have been doing really well with constantly wearing over correction either with your glasses or contacts that one day shouldn't slow things down too much. While you were wearing your actual prescription how was your eyesight? Did you feel like signs and things were a bit blurry at a distance or did your eyesight seem to be perfect with your contacts?


denden 25 Mar 2018, 04:56

Guys, I might have told you that I got this DNA test done. Turns out that I don't carry the genes for any diseases they screened me for... except Macular Degeneration :( Now I'm trying to be more myopic but I definitely don't want to be blind or have impaired vision that cannot be corrected with lenses. I'm trying to be diligent with my lifestyle choices; I eat healthy and recently replaced smoking with vaping (which I was only doing 3-4 times a week anyway but I'm trying to reduce any risk factors). Really hope I don't get this.


Soundmanpt 24 Mar 2018, 08:57

MROP

I'm sure that this wasn't the first time you have had your eyes examined but i'm sure this time was the most enjoyable time ever when you were unable to read the bottom half of the eyechart. Were you surprised that your eyesight was really that blurry? But at least you knew then that you would for sure be getting a prescription for glasses. Very good that you remembered to tell the doctor all your issues with were having with your eyes. Things like not seeing as well when driving at night which of course as you now know you weren't able to see much better during the day driving either. Were you surprised that he wants to re-examine your eyes in 3 months time? Your eyesight isn't by any means terrible but for what he believes to be your first prescription it's a bit stronger than what most would get as their first prescription. So i'm sure he feels like he is under correcting you now for your first glasses. And he is right in thinking that way because if in fact these were really your first glasses your eyes really wouldn't have been relaxed enough to refract your eyes fully. So that bis also why he things that your your eyes are going to change more in the coming months after your eyes have fully adjusted to your glasses. In normal natural cases that would be the case. But he doesn't realize that the only reason you need glasses now is because you have been wearing over correction for several months or your eyesight would still be perfect. If you were to only wear the glasses he prescribed to you chances are in the coming 3 months there would be no change in your vision at all. Which i'm sure would be a surprise to your doctor because i'm sure he fully expects that your going to need somewhere around a -.75 to -1.00 increase in your glasses in 3 month's time. So probably a good idea that you're planning on continuing to wear over correction to induce a little more myopia. So in 3 months it's very possible that your new prescription will be R -1.75 -.75 / L -2.00 -1.00. Isn't that about where you want your eyes to be when you stop inducing?

Just curious about your astigmatisms. I know that you have been doing really well with either wearing your glasses or contacts constantly but have you noticed any change in your near vision when you aren't wearing your glasses or contacts? I mean has your ability to read things like a book changed any since you started wearing over correction? In other words is it more difficult now to read a book than before? Also have you been getting more headaches than you used? I am asking these questions because those are things tat usually go along with having astigmatisms. I'm sure that you know having astigmatisms effects your eyesight at all distances.

It had to fun being able to sit down and try on all the glasses in the store. So i'm sure you can't wait to get your glasses so you can enjoy seeing the world through your real very own glasses with your real necessary prescription in them. What style of glasses did you select?


Atropinlover 24 Mar 2018, 04:25

Ladies and gentlemen, i'm still interested about pilocarpine and/or physiostigmine..., has anyone some kind of informations or experiences with that kind of stuff? ...as you all know atropine, phenylephrine, torpicamide and so on is very common used in eye exams but i never hat the chance to see how pilocarpine etc. is feeling. :D


MROP 23 Mar 2018, 22:58

I forgot to add that I did order some glasses with my real prescription and Iím picki them up in a few days time. Meanwhile itís back to the -5.90 for m!!

I figured I had some astigmatism but was shocked by how much. The optician said heís shocked how Iíve got by with concentrating on tasks for so long without correction for it.


Likelenses 23 Mar 2018, 21:22

MROP

I forgot to mention that the difference between sphere, and cylinder power is quite different.

A smaller amount of astigmatism contributes to a larger amount of blur, than the same value of sphere would.


Likelenses 23 Mar 2018, 21:13

MROP

Congrats. Great FIRST Rx.

Most Optometrists are taught that when the astigmatism in the better eye reaches -.75, that full time wear is required. Most first time cylinder prescriptions are -.25, or -.50.

As others have said, it is sometimes difficult adjusting to a new astigmatic correction, but your eyes are quite astigmatic, so you need to persevere with the glasses.

It is quite possible that your future cylinder correction will exceed your sphere.


MROP 23 Mar 2018, 20:40

I really enjoyed getting my eyes examined and it was quite exciting not being able to read the bottom half of the chart. The optician was very old and listened to all of my needs. He also said I should go back in a few months as he expects my prescription to go up a fair bit (exciting!!!) in the next two years or so before calming down and averaging out so Iíve re-booked in for 3 months time, just to check up.

Iím going to continue to wear over correction and aim at inducing a little more myopia but not too much more.

Picking out my glasses in an actual shop where people knew I needed them was amazing rather from my own home.


Antonio 23 Mar 2018, 16:57

MROP, do you visit us on lenschat.com now, as you are one of us now ?

:-)

Best regards, Antonio


Antonio 23 Mar 2018, 16:57

MROP, do you visit us on lenschat.com now, as you are one of us now ?

:-)

Best regards, Antonio


Antonio 23 Mar 2018, 16:55

Oh MROP

If I understand alright you are now officially declared too shortsighted to read any blackboard at uni from afar??

Am I right and did you test your eyes

with exactly that result.

Then you are one of us now as most of us here can't study without their corrective lenses on.

How does it feel to be halfblind ?

Best regards, antonio


Soundmanpt 23 Mar 2018, 16:08

MROP

YEAH! I too want to congratulate on the results of you eye exam. I'm sure you must be excited as well. Your hard work has really paid off. Not only are your eyes nearsighted but you even managed to develop a nice amount of astigmatism as well. How hard was it for you not to start jumping up and down when the bottom half of the eyechart was too blurry for you to see? You had to know then that you were going to get the prescription you have been working so hard for. So if you figure half the value of your astigmatism correction to your SPH correction you're eyes are really at Right eye -1.50 and Left eye -1.75. So isn't that about where you wanted to be at for your glasses? When you get your glasses and they have your astigmatism correction in them it may take you a short time for your eyes to adjust and you may feel like the floor is slanted and you may even feel a bit dizzy as well. But once your eyes adjust you''re going to see even better than you are now with you over correcting glasses. So are planning on ordering your new glasses in your actual prescription now that you really do need to be wearing glasses. Were you surprised that you were told to wear your glasses for the next few weeks so your eyes could adjust to the astigmatisms? What he was really telling you was that you need to wear your glasses full time now because it should only take a day or so for your eye to adjust if that long even. But he knows that if you wear your glasses for a few weeks your eye are going to get used to them and you probably would just continue wearing them full time anyway. Also by being told by a doctor that you now must wear your glasses whenever you drive it means that your now required to wear your glasses when driving even though it is marked on your drivers license yet. So when you being told all this how hard was it for you to not be smiling widely?

It's a good thing that you're planning on only wearing glasses full time because if you want contacts you're astigmatisms are bad enough that you would need toric lenses which are special contacts that are weighted so they don't spin around on your eyes like your current contacts do. But they also cost about 3 or 4 times more than the contacts you have now. Your glasses are much cheaper and they don't charge any extra for astigmatism correction. Please try and tell us how you felt as you were getting your eyes examined and when you knew that you were going to be getting glasses.


denden 23 Mar 2018, 11:13

MROP,

Congratulations!! Your hard work finally paid off. I've been absent because I was insanely busy but I had my interview today. I think it went well. Btw I ended up wearing my real prescription contacts (-0.50 -0.75) sorry Soundmanpt! I know it's bad that I missed out on one day of overcorrection but I was feeling really dizzy that morning and didn't want to risk making it worse with overcorrecting lenses. Hope it didn't ruin the progress I made so far.


MROP 23 Mar 2018, 08:33

So, I got a prescription! I am slightly short sighted which he said will likely progress in the next few years to become worse. My prescription I got given is -1.00 for my right eye and -1.25 for my left which I am more than happy with! I also have -1.00 of astigmatism in my left eye and -0.75 in my right, which explains why I feel my left eye has been slightly worse.

Moreover, I've been told to actually wear my glasses constantly for the next few weeks to adjust to the astigmatism, and then to only wear them when concentrating and when driving. He made it very clear that I was to always wear them when driving!

I'm very happy with the result, I'm not going to order myself some new glasses with my current range of -5.00, but this time in eluding my astigmatism!


MROP 23 Mar 2018, 08:33

So, I got a prescription! I am slightly short sighted which he said will likely progress in the next few years to become worse. My prescription I got given is -1.00 for my right eye and -1.25 for my left which I am more than happy with! I also have -1.00 of astigmatism in my left eye and -0.75 in my right, which explains why I feel my left eye has been slightly worse.

Moreover, I've been told to actually wear my glasses constantly for the next few weeks to adjust to the astigmatism, and then to only wear them when concentrating and when driving. He made it very clear that I was to always wear them when driving!

I'm very happy with the result, I'm not going to order myself some new glasses with my current range of -5.00, but this time in eluding my astigmatism!


Likelenses 21 Mar 2018, 18:29

MROP

I hope that this is not the case, but ghosting above lights as you describe it could also indicate glaucoma. Myopia, and glaucoma often go hand in hand.


Soundmanpt 20 Mar 2018, 16:02

MROP

Yes of course it is possible that you might be starting to developing some astigmatism in your eyes. I honestly can't say if wearing strong glasses and contacts are the reason or not. But we know that myopia is caused by the lengthening of the eyes which is what your attempting to do by wearing strong glasses. So in changing the length it would seem you're changing the shape as well which might bring on some astigmatisms as well. But it could be the ghosting is just part of your eyes becoming weaker and when your tired it's harder for your eyes to stay focused anymore without your glasses. I assume that you only get the ghosting when your not wearing your glasses or contacts? With your glasses or contacts no ghosting problem right? I'm sure it's at least related to your wearing over correction in some way. I guess you will find out on Friday. Be sure to mention to the doctor about the ghosting your getting and any other vision problems you are having.


astigmaphile 20 Mar 2018, 10:17

MROP,

Find an online astigmatism test. That should help you determine if you are astigmatic or not. More detail would have to come from an eye exam.


MROP 20 Mar 2018, 09:30

I feel like I will be happy with any prescriptions. Do you think its possible that I have some astigmatism? When I get tired, things are all distances require focus, and the ghosting above lit up signs is unbearable!!


Soundmanpt 20 Mar 2018, 09:01

MROP

Great to hear from you again. I figured nothing much was going on and you were only waiting to get a new date for your eye exam. So even though it has been pushed back several times now it really just gives you more time to be wearing over correction which should be slowly weakening your eyes a little each day. Do you feel like your going to be happy with the results of your eye exam on Friday?

Sounds like you found the glasses you want to wear as your full time glasses when you get a prescription on Friday.


MROP 20 Mar 2018, 07:58

Soundmanpt,

Sorry for my absence from the thread, Iíve been rather busy. My eye exam is now on a Friday. Nothing will stop me attending this time!

In other news my newest -5.00 glasses arrived. They are my favourite frame yet, being round and a lot bigger than my other pairs! Itís funnt as this pair is the first pair that Iíve noticed the same thing as Denden, some things appear to be spherical! Iím also very aware of the lenses where as before I donít think my glasses lenses were big enough to make me notice them that much!

Iím really looking forward to wearing these glasses more (yes, theyíre comfortable to wear) and will go for a similar style in my actual prescription if I get given one on Friday!


Thoughts 20 Mar 2018, 03:44

Wantmylos

I know from experience the strong pull which is leading you to go down the path you choose both in wanting strong glasses and prisms. It will give you a lot of pleasure and whilst you may never return to sight you had the warnings given in good faith may not come about. Each person is different. In my case I have done goc to -20 and used base out to10 over many years and can still have an eye test and only need part time wear.

Food for thought but wish you well. I felt excitement from your latest result so wish you continued luck if that is what you desire


Alan 20 Mar 2018, 01:12

Wantmyos,

Have you been experimenting with prisms over the past month? Also, what is your new prescription? Let us know how you get on with the new glasses


Soundmanpt 19 Mar 2018, 22:35

WantMyos

Glad to hear form you again. The main thing not only with you but with everyone else in here is for them to fully understand what they are doing when they are doing GOC or trying to induce myopia or if they are wanting to go even further with things such as strabismus. These are big decisions and should be thought out before doing anything. It's doubtful that your going to be able to induce enough myopia to the point where you will ever need myodiscs except with the use of GOC. But you should still be able to induce enough myopia to cause your vision to be pretty blurry without glasses. It takes far less time for your eyes to become very dependent on your glasses when you include prisms in your glasses. Apparently you are already seeing the results of wearing prisms if your starting to see double already. The only one that needs to be happy with your decision to ruin your eyes is you and if your happy that is the main thing. Just remember their is no do over now. Your going to be wearing glasses and only glasses from now until you die. Please continue to give updates as to your progress. What prescription were you given at your eye exam? I assume that you went for your eye exam bare eyed?


sebas25 19 Mar 2018, 17:35

WantMyos...

I'm also going to start using prism.

Are you using prima in or prism out ??

and what power?

...


Soundmanpt 18 Mar 2018, 07:39

denden

I have a feeling that you will do well with any interviews you do. You seem like you're on top of things pretty well and determined about the things you want from life. You clearly think things through. So wearing glasses to interviews will just be that little extra for you to show your professional look.

I will be looking forward to your return to this forum but you're right in wanting get other things taken care of with your life besides working so hard in making yourself more nearsighted. And by continuing to wear over correction and doing even more reading and close work should help with that as well. I will look forward to hearing of any changes you may notice with your eyes in the coming days and weeks. I of course wish you the best with everything and take care.


WantMyos 18 Mar 2018, 07:34

Hello gang,

I am back with an update that may upset a few of you. I went through with GOC, but still really wanted to induce some myopia, so i decided I would go through with inducing myopia, and then maybe start GOC after I get to how much myopia I want, I am also inducing strabismus, I could not resist. I really want prism glasses, but more than that I want to see double just as I want to see blurry images and want to really need my glasses to help me see clear.

I know a few of you talked against inducing strabismus, and I tried, but I could not stay away. This is something I really want.

Anyways, the reason for the update, I had my regular appointment with the family eye doctor and I am ecstatic to say, my prescription has gone up!!! Also, after doing a long test where the doctor kept covering and uncovering my eyes and then covering and uncovering one eye with a stick if prisms infront of the other eye she told me that I did have problems with both of my eyes working together, and that it was causing the double vision!!!!!

I cannot express how great that felt. It was seriously a dream come true!


denden 17 Mar 2018, 07:18

Soundmanpt,

Thank you for the advice! I will wear my glasses to the interview. I'm not the superstitious kind but I can think of it as my lucky charm haha.

I will be taking some time off this forum because I have way too many things going on at the moment. I'm trying to get my life back in order regarding my education, job prospects and overall health. I procrastinate too much so I need to minimise distractions.

Don't worry; I am still wearing my overcorrection religiously! I am hoping that extended hours of studying I am about to do will aid me even further. I will keep you updated if anything important happens.


Soundmanpt 15 Mar 2018, 10:36

denden

Your new glasses sound really cute and i'm sure you look very attractive wearing them. Sometimes going away from your comfort zone opens your eyes to something new and exciting. Going with black or tortoise is often the safe choice for getting glasses because they go with everything but other choices can work well too.

If you're not going home for a month then go ahead and start wearing your glasses so your eyes can continue to adjust to them. Wearing contacts for the week that you're going to be home shouldn't be a problem by then with going back to your glasses. I don't think in that short of time of not wearing your glasses will cause you much if any problem readjusting to your glasses. Now if you were able to wear your contacts during then day while at home and switch to your glasses at night before going to bed then you for sure wouldn't have any adjusting to worry about. But i'm sure that's not possible and you really don't want any unnecessary conflict with your mom about your wearing glasses. When you were in high school and doing GOC your glasses were weaker and you probably weren't wearing your contacts full time like you are now.

You have several options really. But there have been studies done which proves that wearing glasses is an advantage over those not wearing glasses when all other things are equal. So without a doubt you should be wearing glasses for any job interview you go on. Now it is up to you which glasses you want to wear. You haven't said exactly what your other glasses look like but I assume they might be black or tortoise. If you feel like you look more professional wearing glasses like that then why not wear a pair of your extended contacts along with those glasses. But if you think you look just as nice and professional wearing your new blue glasses then wear them. Either way as long as your wearing glasses I don't think it will make any difference what color they are to the person doing the interview. You're for sure going to look smarter wearing glasses.


denden 15 Mar 2018, 09:34

Soundmanpt,

Aesthetically I LOVE my new pair! I got a blue frame this time which was somewhat out of my comfort zone but now I'm really glad that I did.

If I used mainly glasses until my visit home (which is a month from now) and then wore contacts continuously for a week, will I start from square one when I put on my glasses after that?

I'm already noticing the fisheye effect less. Now I understand why many of my genuinely myopic friends prefer wearing contacts - it must be annoying to have to see like this all the time.However, I wasn't experiencing this with my -1.25 -1.75 glasses back in high school.

I have an important job interview soon and I'm debating whether I should wear glasses or contacts that day. It's a professional services firm and I figure glasses may make me look smarter. On the other hand, my frames are blue, not the usual conservative black or tortoise. My friends say they will make me stand out in a good way. What do you think? (My mom is my usual style adviser but I'm not asking her about this because she is heavily biased against glasses.)


Soundmanpt 15 Mar 2018, 09:12

denden

I'm sure you probably used the right PD and even being slightly off wouldn't cause that. I have heard this same complaint from people that are wearing their actual prescription. What your eyes are seeing is the difference between seeing with contacts and glasses. I can't explain it but it's the difference between having lenses sitting on your corneas and glasses sitting slightly in front of you eyes. Their seeing the inside curvature of the lenses of your glasses. You just didn't get the same effect from your weaker glasses because the curvature wasn't as much. Your eyes just need to adjust to your glasses. But if going home soon and your not going to be able to wear your glasses anyway then i would suggest that you just continue wearing your extended wear contacts with and without your weaker glasses until you get back from your visit home. No point making your eyes have to adjust 2 times to your glasses. Otherwise are yo happy with the way your new glasses look? I know you didn't like the first pair you got and you returned them for this pair.


GreginColo 14 Mar 2018, 18:01

Ben; if you are in the US, a shipment from Zenni should arrive within a week, at least that was my experience. But if you are looking on their site, they can probably give you a more exact shipping time estimate.


Ben Victor 14 Mar 2018, 17:16

Gregin Colo

For How long do i have to wait to get a new frame if i did order one? :(


Ben Victor 14 Mar 2018, 17:13

Liam,

I now have a stronger prescription, -10.0D.

My former prescription's -5.50D.

But I just need a new frame :(


Ben Victor 14 Mar 2018, 17:09

Gregin Colo

Hmm... :/


denden 14 Mar 2018, 15:45

Anonymous,

My glasses aren't that strong tho, -2.75 and -3.25. Would higher index lenses reduce this effect?


 14 Mar 2018, 14:50

denden

That is normal with higher prescriptions. But your brain will get used to it soon and you won't notice the "curve" effect anymore.


Jared 14 Mar 2018, 07:43

Liam

Good to hear!!!!!! Keep it up;-)

J


denden 14 Mar 2018, 06:51

I got my new pair today! But I feel dizzy when I have them on :( In a way everything looked curved and this effect is amplified if I turn my head around. Even my laptop looks like it has a curved shape. Is this how people with higher prescriptions see, or is it because they are overly minused for my eyes? Or could it be that I measured my PD wrong?


Liam 14 Mar 2018, 06:27

Ben, are you looking for stronger glasses?


Liam 14 Mar 2018, 06:26

Jared, I am studying hard for some exams and really pushing my eyes to read close up. It is easier this week but still a strain at times. I am holding my written work as close as I can. Distance is now fine with the -22 glasses, I think all the close work has helped in that respect.


GreginColo 14 Mar 2018, 05:36

Ben, I have had good luck with Zenni optical.


Ben Victor 14 Mar 2018, 01:01

Ben Victor 14 Mar 2018, 01:00

Hi everyone. I've got a question - which is the best website to order prescription glasses online? Thanks for your response(s) in anticipation. :)


Ben Victor 14 Mar 2018, 01:00

Hi everyone. I've got a question - which is the best website to order prescription glasses? Thanks for your response(s) in anticipation. :)


Jared 13 Mar 2018, 17:23

Liam

Hi. Just wondering how you were doing with your -22's. Has reading and close work improved?


denden 13 Mar 2018, 12:08

Soundmanpt,

I was doing GOC in 9th grade, so when I was 15-16. When my mom found my contacts I said they were minus lenses of course. She is also against the idea of wearing correction, even in the form of contacts. I don't think I can change her opinions so my solution is to refrain from putting my specs on around her if I can avoid it.

Haha nice try with the guy in high school but we never kissed. He was quite good looking so I wouldn't have minded it back then, but no. He just seemed to understand optics well. I had a highly hyperopic friend (R +3.50 L +5.50) and he kept saying that her glasses had a magnifying effect. He was correct but this made her self-conscious as plus lenses are often associated with old people. He also often changed his frames and frequently switched between glasses and contacts. Nowadays I think he's wearing contacts only.

He was standing a talking distance from me when he noticed my contacts, around half a meter I'd say. I'm not surprised that he noticed them because I can also spot them quite well. In particular, if I meet someone for the first time, I tend to pay close attention to their eyes. Eyes are the windows to the soul, as the old adage goes, you can learn so many things about someone just by looking at their eyes. Among other things (ability to maintain eye contact, wrinkles around eyes, dark circles, the shape and colour) I also pay attention to whether they need correction to see clearly. I'm a highly attentive person and I can remember many details about the people I've met.


Soundmanpt 13 Mar 2018, 09:54

daffy

I totally get your point and you're right if they are just wanting to be able to wear the strongest glasses possible but their eyes can see close up with such strong glasses then the idea of bifocals is the answer for them. But if they are trying to induce myopia then they need their glasses to feel too strong for seeing close up. The more they are forcing their eyes to read small print the harder their eyes are working to focus. This is a big asset in helping them induce myopia. If their eyes are completely comfortable with reading small print then they need to change to stronger glasses.


daffy 13 Mar 2018, 05:04

Of all the people that complain that they can't see close with their over correction for distance, why not just get bifocals or multifocals and live happily ever after?


Soundmanpt 12 Mar 2018, 17:20

denden

Well i'm happy to be back. What a pain! I have been busy with moving furniture back and forth since last Tuesday morning. Now my friend just came and hooked up my computer for me.

Probably getting the "EyeQue" would be a good ides for you as well MROP and kiki to keep track of your progress. Here in the US insurance will only pay for one eye exam a year out of pocket an eye exam can cost around $75.00 $80.00 depending where you go. From reports I have seen it seems to work pretty well. It must work since it came out they have raised the price of it slightly.

Not surprising, you're already ahead of me again by wearing a stronger contact on your better eye to try a weaken it a bit more. That should start to help I would think. You want it to be about as blurry as your other eye is.

So what year of high school were you in when you started wearing glasses and then glasses and contacts? When your mom found your contact lens case what did you say when she asked you about it? i'm sure that you didn't tell her that your were doing GOC? You should have just said that a friend let you try a pair of contacts just to see if you liked them or not so you maybe start wearing contacts instead of glasses. Since she didn't like seeing you wearing glasses she might have gone along on that idea. You're mom is old school. Back in her day when she was your age it was still sort of a kiss of death for a young girl to start wearing glasses because the chances of that girl finding her prince charming was pretty much out the window because of her less than perfect eyesight. But as you know, it's a much different world now nearly everyone wears glasses, or contacts, now. Many men prefer the young glasses wearing ladies now because they are not only attractive but also appear smarter as well. But I agree with you for now any visits home there is no point point in causing any problems about your wearing glasses or not. You can save that battle for when you start wearing your glasses full time. You're still in school so you blame all the extra studying on your need for wearing glasses full time. She won't like it but as you say there isn't much she can do about it. After all your not a teenager anymore, your an adult.

That boy that spotted the fact that your were wearing contacts back in high school, how close did he get to you to see the rings of your contacts? Have you ever tried to spot people wearing contacts? It's really hard and you usually have get extremely close in order to see them. So either this guy was in love with your eyes that he was looking so hard at them or he was "kissing " close and you kept your eyes open. Whenever possible if you're afraid of that ever happening again you should try and come up with a nice strong combination of glasses and contacts. If your wearing glasses it makes it even more difficult to see contacts in your eyes.


Soundmanpt 12 Mar 2018, 16:32

Kiki

Honestly I think it is nearly impossible to do much fooling of an optometrists and really what doe that really do anyway? You're already "cheating" by wearing wearing -4.50 / -4.75 glasses that you don't seem to have any real need for. You're better off just getting your eyes checked when you think there has been some change in your eyesight. If you still feel like your eyesight is perfect without glasses I don't see nay point in getting your eyes rested now.

When you have done your closing one eye at a time test while driving were you wearing your glasses or was this without your glasses? I'm not sure sure why things are blurry with just one eye at time being open, but not blurry with both eyes open. For some reason your eyes aren't able to focus independently. it has to mean wearing over correction is having some effect on your eyes. How bad is the blur? I mean is it maybe about -2.00 or worse?


 10 Mar 2018, 19:32

spartoo,

If you are approaching 40, it is likely that Presbyopia is creeping up on you. Prism will not help that.

What is happening to you, as it has with billions and billions before you, is that the focusing mechanism in your eyes is aging also. The primary problem is that the variable focus lenses in your eyes are getting stiff and very hard for your focusing muscles to change their power. By the way, this stiffening action has been occurring for probably the last 30 years, but it is just now becoming a nuisance. The bad news is that it will get worse. The good news is that there is a limit to how bad it will get.

What WILL help you are some reading glasses either in the form of Over-the-Counter (OTC) Reading Glasses or if appropriate, prescription bifocals. Many stores sell OTC Reading Glasses. I suggest starting with the lowest power they offer (usually +1.00 or +1.25) and see how those help.

If you have not had one recently, you should also consider an eye exam. The eyes are windows into the body and often silent health problems are detected during an eye exam that have no direct effect on vision.

C.


jared 10 Mar 2018, 16:45

Loveminusguys

Kewl. see you then!


Loveminusguys 10 Mar 2018, 16:41

Thanks Jared, that would be 11 am my time. Letís give it a try.


Jared 10 Mar 2018, 12:39

Loveminusguys

Eastern time zone. Don't forget clocks ahead this evening so how about 1PM EDT?


Loveminusguys 10 Mar 2018, 11:49

Thanks Jared, would also love to connect. I have not been on LCin ages so would probably have to reactivate. Today is already full for me but maybe tomorrow. What time zone are you in and is there any particular time that you are on LC. Thanks


Jared 10 Mar 2018, 11:17

Loveminusguys

Do you ever visit ES Lens chat? Would love to connect with you there.


spartoo 10 Mar 2018, 10:39

Hello, I understand that the port of prism base out, could help when you wear too much over-correction in myopia?

I approach 40 years and with my over-correction I have difficulty reading closely if it is written too small. Could the port of prism help me?


Loveminusguys 10 Mar 2018, 08:53

Jared, thanks for your post. So I presume you are a real -31 and enjoy that Rx. For those of us who are envious of that type of Rx, if you are open to such, please share a bit of your visual history and what it is like to live on a daily basis with that degree of myopia. Thanks


Liam 10 Mar 2018, 05:23

I really don't know what would happen if I took the glasses off. How long would it take for my vision to change? Would I easily return to being able to wear -22 glasses?

Yes Jared it would be great if I was now myopic.


Jared 09 Mar 2018, 18:21

Liam

Wouldn't it be awesome, if with all your work, you have made your eyes extremely myopic and really needed double digit lenses?


Liam 09 Mar 2018, 11:34

Jared I a am not sure how long it would take my eyes to see without the -22 glasses. It has taken a lot of hard work to get this far and I am worried that I could undo all that work quickly. For that reason I do not try to see without glasses. Yes I carry a spare pair. Friends try them on and if I need to clean glasses I simply swap quickly with my eyes shut. I am kind of neurotic about it.


Kiki 09 Mar 2018, 10:37

I just ordered from EyeQue!


Jared 09 Mar 2018, 10:12

Liam:

I have a minus Rx higher than yours actually -31. Like you I wear my glasses 24/7 but for an entirely difference reason although I fully understand why you do as I would absolutely hate to wake up some morning and be able to see without my strong glasses. Weird I know but on this site and thread amongst friends and really "preaching to the choir".

I have a couple of questions which I hope you don't find too personal. Do you carry spares (I do) and when you clean your glasses do put others on and when out with friends and they ask to try your glasses do you let them and if so close you eyes whilst they try them on?

BTW Hope you adapt to the -22s.


Jared 09 Mar 2018, 10:12

Liam:

I have a minus Rx higher than yours actually -31. Like you I wear my glasses 24/7 but for an entirely difference reason although I fully understand why you do as I would absolutely hate to wake up some morning and be able to see without my strong glasses. Weird I know but on this site and thread amongst friends and really "preaching to the choir".

I have a couple of questions which I hope you don't find too personal. Do you carry spares (I do) and when you clean your glasses do put others on and when out with friends and they ask to try your glasses do you let them and if so close you eyes whilst they try them on?

BTW Hope you adapt to the -22s.


denden 09 Mar 2018, 06:08

Has anyone here heard of EyeQue? It's a miniscope that allows an app on your smartphone to detect the refraction of your eye. I am considering to order a kit so that I can track my progress on my phone without tedious visits to the optometrist.


Ben Victor 07 Mar 2018, 15:14

Liam

Thanks so much! I'll keep them -10.0Ds on all the time. :)


Kiki 07 Mar 2018, 12:32

I couldnít fall asleep last night and my mind wandered to the possibilities of ďcheatingĒ on an eye exam. So for myself when I close one eye I can make it very blurry but I cannot do them simultaneously. I am wondering if the autorefractor would indicate a prescription. I wish I had about $5000 to buy one to play with. Another random thought.. I wear -4.50 and -4.75 but do not require glasses at all. How come when Iím driving I can close one eye and itís blurry and I can close the other eye with the same result but with both eyes open the blur is gone?


denden 07 Mar 2018, 02:19

MROP,

Great to hear back from you! Hope you enjoy your holiday. When is your next appointment? Are you wearing your overcorrection at the moment?

Antonio,

Sorry I missed you last night, I went to sleep straight after posting here.


MROP 07 Mar 2018, 01:12

Why everyone, Iím on holiday so sorry for delays. I havenít been playing you, likelenses, just unable to find Internet.

Iíll update you all properly on my exam when I get back. Basically they rang me and cancelled due to weather (the same snow storms that Denden mentioned) but itís rescheduled for when I get back!


 07 Mar 2018, 01:08


Antonio 06 Mar 2018, 17:47

Hi denden, cu in lenschat.com ?

Best regards, antonio


denden 06 Mar 2018, 17:25

Likelenses,

Thank you for the suggestion, but no I don't want to have a prescription of -5.00. Not that I can even if I want to, I'll consider myself lucky if I can even get to -1.50.


Likelenses 06 Mar 2018, 17:16

denden

I have had many dealings with people in the financial world, and most have been myopic, in the estimated range of -4.00 to -7.00.

I think that you should reconsider, and shoot for at least -5.00

Girls with that range of prescription, look so hot !


denden 06 Mar 2018, 14:29

I was talking about my parents in the second part of my post.


denden 06 Mar 2018, 14:27

Soundmanpt,

Thank you for your kind words. Hope your carpet renewal goes well.

My right eye is -0.50 more myopic than my left eye. Until recently I was wearing -2.75 on my right eye -2.50 on my left eye. However, I switched to wearing -2.50 in both because it simplified things (less thinking to do in the morning before I'm sufficiently caffeinated, can wear my glasses over when studying alone). I've used up all my -2.50 dailies now and I'm moving on to my -2.75 contacts. Therefore, my left eye is more overcorrected than my right eye nowadays.

I wore my glasses around them in high school sometimes but they kept telling me that I looked bad in them and told me off for wearing them while studying, as I didn't need them for near vision.

Back in high school, I pulled off wearing lenses well but my mom eventually found my contact lens case. She got really mad ofc but now even if she learned I wear them it's not like she can stop me. Still I want to minimise unpleasant interactions as much as possible during my holiday back home.

I guess I care about glasses/contacts much more than the average person lol Still wouldn't fellow contact wearers be able to see the rings around my iris? As I told you before, one guy in high school also saw them in my eyes once.


Liam 06 Mar 2018, 14:24

Ben, keep on those -10.0D glasses. Yes you would love to take them off but don't do so even for a minute. You are forcing your eyes to adjust to them. Now the worse bit, try to read print held as close as possible. It will be a strain at first but over time your eyes will adjust. You know how much you want to be myopic.

Remember first thing in the morning and last at night you must be looking through the glasses.


Ben Victor 06 Mar 2018, 13:55

Liam

I've had my glasses on today since morning and still have them on, my eyes feel like they want to pop out of their sockets though, lol. My phone looks so small each time I look at it with my glasses on :)


Soundmanpt 06 Mar 2018, 12:37

deden

Oh I forgot to mention that if you were to find any glasses that you like in Zenni they are international and do ship to the UK In fact several years ago I helped a young lady order her glasses from Zenni and she lived in the UK. She got her glasses within 2 weeks mailed to her house. Shipping was either $5.00 or $8.00 I don't recall. You ay want to check them out. they have really cute glasses and their prices for a complete pair is as low as $6.95. Here is one that was only $6.95 that I got for a young lady at the local sports bar. #419114. She loves them by the way. Her prescription is about where you hope to be -1.75. She wears her glasses nearly all the time but she can still see well enough to do her job as a server without her glasses being on. Every once in a while she will put her glasses on her head and with some noticeable squinting she can do her job just fine. The one thing she can't see is when someone needs a fresh drink. So she has to up to the table to look. see works as a dental assistant so she keeps her glasses on at her day job all the time not only so she can see but to keep patients spit from getting in her eyes.


Soundmanpt 06 Mar 2018, 12:25

denden

I just a call from the carpet people and they were coming out next Wednesday to install my new carpeting. But the carpet came in early and they are now coming out tomorrow. So will be shutting down my computer in a short time and it will be down for a few days until i can get it back on line.


Soundmanpt 06 Mar 2018, 12:21

denden

Like I said, you have clearly researched everything pretty well. Because of your doing GOC in high school you are well aware of what your eyesight will be if you can get up to -1.50 to -2.00. And you even know what your glasses will look like as well. You're right, your glasses are going to have some power rings and just enough cut-in that your glasses aren't going to look like "planos' or fake glasses. And at the same time your eyes shouldn't look any smaller behind your glasses.You don't in anyway sound vain. You just sound like a young woman that knows exactly what she wants. I kinda think working in the world of finance you would almost be expected to either already be wearing glasses when you start or soon be needing glasses after a short time anyway. I'm sure that you have already thought of that as well.

I assumed that you have probably been testing your eyes every so often to see if there has been any change. It sounds like the over correcting is having some effect on your eyes if things are starting to be more blurred. Not sure why your right eye is significantly more blurry than your left eye. Which eye are you wearing the stronger contact on? If you're wearing the stronger contact on your right eye try switching it and wear the stronger contact on your left eye to push it a bit more. See if that helps.

So going home for week all you can do is continue wearing your extended wear contacts all the time. Even though your parents are anti-glasses didn't you wear glasses in high school? I mean besides when you were doing GOC but didn't you have a very weak prescription as well. You recently had the prescription changed in your old actual prescription glasses and sunglasses to -1.25 / -.75 -.50 170 didn't you? So wouldn't you be okay wearing those glasses around your parents without any questions being asked? You have become a 00 so i'm sure that you notice other people wearing glasses and contacts much more than the average person does.

I was curious when you were in high school how you managed to do GOC assuming that you were likely still living at home. But I just figured that by having an actual weak prescription all you needed to do was hide your contact lens cleaner and things from your parents.Did you ever come close to getting caught back then?


denden 06 Mar 2018, 10:55

Soundmanpt,

My -1.50/-2.00 glasses have just enough power rings and cut ins to make it obvious that my glasses aren't plano. My eyes appear pretty much the same size which I like. Sorry if I sound vain, but as a young woman aspiring to work in finance, I have to care about these things.

Not sure if Zenni delivers to the UK at all, I just use UK based websites such as selectspecs.com. I'm not really worried about my partner trying my glasses on anymore. The last time he put them on (the R -0.75 L -0.25 -0.50 pair) they gave him a terrible headache so he's been put off doing that since. If he does and asks me why the lenses are so strong I will just say that they feel that way because the frames are bigger.

Each night, after taking out my contacts, I look outside the window to see how blurry my vision is before going to bed. I am starting to see some blur, although my right eye is significantly more blurry. I just hope it's not only my right eye but both that are becoming more myopic.

I scheduled a week-long holiday back home in April. As I might have mentioned before, my parents are anti-glasses. They see them as crutches that should be shunned unless they are necessary for survival. They nag me if I keep my glasses on around them and are dead against contacts as well. I'm thinking of keeping my Acuvue Oasys contacts on throughout my time back home. I used to wear my contacts around my parents in high school and got away with it. It's just that I'm so good at telling whether someone's wearing contacts (I can notice them even in a 10 second exchange because I maintain eye contact a lot with people). I'm always paranoid people can see them in my eyes when I don't want them to.


Soundmanpt 06 Mar 2018, 10:39

denden

I'm not at all surprised that you don't want your glasses to look strong or thick have thick lenses. I knew that by the prescription you want as your everyday glasses of -1.50 to -2.00. With a prescription in that range your glasses are going to look really nice and you lenses will be nice and thin. Your eyes will still look the same size with your glasses on as they do without glasses. You want to be just as attractive wearing glasses as you are without them. I honestly don't think you need to go with a higher index lens to keep your glasses looking normal. Over the years I have placed numerous orders for glasses and I have found that with Zenni up to around -4.50 the 1.56 free lens option works fine with still being on the thin side. Now as you know the bigger the frame them thicker the edges of your lenses are going to be. And semi-rimless and rim;less are going to show lens thickness much easier than a full plastic frame will. I actually just went into Zenni and put in fake order using -3.75 as the prescription. Zenni recommended the mid range high index lens which is 1.61. With Zenni that is an extra $19.00. It is really up to you. Personally if your main concern is your partner I don't think he will notice your glasses looking any stronger than the ones you just got. But even with the ones you just got if he ever tries your glasses on he is going to notice instantly that your glasses considerably stronger than the ones he had tried on before. If that ever happens all you can say is that all the extra studying has taken a toll on your eyes. But you just didn't want to say anything about it. I just hate to see you spend extra money if its not necessary. So a lot depends on how long you intend on wearing these glasses when you get them? Is this just another step before decide to get another increase? Or do you think this is as strong as you need to go to get your eyes to change? Since your late night super market run when you went without glasses or contacts. You said that things were noticeably more blurry than before. Have you tested your eyes to see how well you're able to see now without glasses or contacts?


denden 06 Mar 2018, 09:56

Soundmanpt,

Fair enough, I will go for that prescription then. How thick would they be if I ordered lenses with 1.6 index? Unlike many people in this forum I don't really want my glasses to look that strong.


Soundmanpt 06 Mar 2018, 09:02

denden

Well i'm glad that your glasses finally arrived but too bad that you don't like frame. But it's just as important to how you look wearing your glasses as the prescription is. I'm sure you are intending to start wearing your glasses more often once you get glasses that you look good wearing all the time or most of the time anyway. As long as you have your contacts and are wearing them everyday you're not losing any down time from over correcting your eyes. Nice that your partner didn't even bother trying on your glasses. So you're probably safe to order your next glasses in whatever prescription that you think your eyes can tolerate wearing. So to answer your question about what prescription you should order your next glasses in I need to know how comfortable are you wearing either daily contacts along with your glasses and wearing your new contacts that are -3.50 / -3.25? If you're not having any problem wearing either of them then you should get your glasses at as strong as they are. No point in going with weaker glasses than you're already comfortably wearing. When possible you always want your eyes feeling slightly stressed by having them over corrected. And remember your glasses to get even the same equal prescription should be slightly stringer than your contacts anyway. I would think maybe going with -3.75 / -3.25 -.50 170. Your lenses sholdn't be that much thicker than they are on the glasses you just got. Even better if you're planning on ordering a full plastic frame. A full plastic frame does a great job of hiding any thickness there might be.


denden 05 Mar 2018, 17:13

Soundmanpt,

My glasses arrived today! I've got some good news and bad news. The good news is that my partner had no interest in trying them on. He barely noticed I had a different pair on tbh. The lensed also looked quite thin from outside. The bad news is that I hate my new frames lol. I'm returning them and ordering a home trial to make a more informed choice in frame. Also, knowing my partner won't try on my glasses, I can go ahead and order stronger glasses! I was considering R -3.00 L -2.50 -0.50 170. What do you think?


Liam 05 Mar 2018, 05:05

Ben try to keep the glasses on all the time. Reading is difficult as you are forcing your eyes to focus, the more close work the better.

I think I have reached the limit for my eyes, these last glasses are taking much longer to get used to.


Liam 05 Mar 2018, 05:05

Ben try to keep the glasses on all the time. Reading is difficult as you are forcing your eyes to focus, the more close work the better.

I think I have reached the limit for my eyes, these last glasses are taking much longer to get used to.


Liam 05 Mar 2018, 05:05

Ben try to keep the glasses on all the time. Reading is difficult as you are forcing your eyes to focus, the more close work the better.

I think I have reached the limit for my eyes, these last glasses are taking much longer to get used to.


denden 05 Mar 2018, 03:15

Aren't there any moderators who check IP addresses here?


 05 Mar 2018, 02:09

Likeleneses has been playing everyone like a fiddle forever with fake names and accounts. talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


Ben Victor 05 Mar 2018, 02:06

Liam

I'll wear them all the time. Mehn, they feel very strong on my eyes, I try to read with them, though it's not so easy(lol), thanks. :)


Likelenses 05 Mar 2018, 00:04

It is quite possible that MROP has been playing several of us like a fiddle for quite some time.


Soundmanpt 04 Mar 2018, 11:18

denden

I also am surprised that we haven't heard anything from MROP about the results of her eye exam on Friday. I am only hoping that she has been busy and hasn't had time to give a report yet. I hope she wasn't disappointed by the results of her eye exam and doesn't want to talk about it. Based on everything she has been saying about her vision leading up to her exam seemed like her eyesight had deteriorated enough that she would have no problem being prescribed with her first glasses.I know that her going home for Christmas break and not being able to wear her glasses and contacts as easily as was didn't help much but since then she has really been pushing her eyes pretty hard as you know.


denden 04 Mar 2018, 09:36

MROP,

We still haven't heard from you. How did your eye exam go? Did you get a prescription?


denden 04 Mar 2018, 09:36

MROP,

We still haven't heard from you. How did your eye exam go? Did you get a prescription?


Liam 04 Mar 2018, 06:29

Remember Ben it is very important to wear the glasses all the time. Although I can see with my strong glasses I know I am not truly myopic. I wear my glasses 24/7, even when in bed and the shower.

The last pair, -22, are a struggle for reading especially. At times I want to stop but I push myself harder and harder holding the books as close as possible. I have my final exams soon so doing a lot of close work.


Cactus jack 03 Mar 2018, 11:13

Liam,

Effective and comfortable GOC starts with your actual complete prescription.

If you are naturally Myopic, that means that you have a + refractive error with your Crystalline Lenses fully Relaxed. A GOC combo requires a CL with additional + to bring your refractive error up to about +20 to be able to wear -30 glasses. However, Vertex Distance (VD) effects are even more massive with -30 glasses than they are with your -22 glasses.

-22 glasses have about 0,50 diopters per mm and -30 glasses have about 0.9 diopters per mm of VD effects.

Because of VD effects, the effective power of your -22 glasses is about -16 at your Cornea if your VD is 12 mm. -30 glasses would have an effective power of about -19.2 at your Cornea with a VD of 12 mm.

Please do not attempt a GOC combo with these numbers they assume a refractive error or 0.00. Getting a high prescription GOC combo right is bad enough starting with an accurate prescription. Starting with a guess is a very expensive exercise in frustration and discomfort.

C.


Cactus Jack 03 Mar 2018, 10:54

HOW TO STUDY FOR AN EYE EXAM

An eye exam is not like an exam that you might take in school and there is really no way to study for it. However, you can prepare for it and learn about your role in the exam. The best eye exams are a team effort between you and the Examiner (hereafter referred to as the Eye Care Professional or the ECP). Part of the preparation is to learn what to expect, particularly if this is your first eye exam.

One important thing you need to keep in mind is that the ECP, has no way to experience what you are seeing. The ECP has to depend on your answers to important questions.

There are two parts to an eye exam.

The first part is the Objective part. This part consists of:

1. Taking a Visual History where you describe your vision and the kinds of problems you are having. Please tell the ECP everything. In some ways the ECP must be a detective and every clue is important.

2. Checking the internal pressure in your eyes for symptoms of Glaucoma. This is one of the very few parts of an eye exam that is even mildly uncomfortable and the discomfort only lasts for a few seconds. There are two basic ways to do the pressure test.

A. Using a special instrument to lightly touch your Cornea. No real worry there. Before doing this type of test a drop of mild anesthetic will make sure you donít even feel it.

B. There is a new type instrument that uses a puff of air directed against your cornea. No anesthetic is required, but the puff will startle you. The puff of air is harmless.

There are huge benefits to these simple tests to detect Glaucoma early, before it can do damage. Early discovery can save your eyesight.

3. The ECP will also get a preliminary estimate of your refractive error by using an Auto- Refractor or manually by using a small hand held instrument called an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope.

The Auto-Refractor is a relatively new instrument that was developed in conjunction with NASA to check Astronauts vision in space. You just look into the machine with each eye individually or in some machines both eyes are checked at the same time. When you look into the machine, you will see a scene or a pattern. The machine will adjust its internal lenses to focus the image you see, on your Retina. The Auto-Refractor only takes a few seconds for each eye and it then prints out your estimated prescription.

Some ECPs prefer to use manual methods that have been used for many years. Using an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope and a Trial Lens set or a Phoropter (a fancy machine with a built in lens set), the ECP will look into your eyes and select the lenses that allow him/her to see your Retina, most clearly.

This first part of the exam was to get to a starting place for the Subjective part of the exam where you have to describe what you see.

The second part of the exam is the Subjective part:

Typically the Subjective part of the exam starts with the Right Eye shutter open and the Left Eye shutter closed.

Step 1 is typically determining the Cylinder and Axis of any Astigmatism correction you need.

This is actually the hardest part of the exam because you will be asked to judge relative blurriness of two images rather than the relative sharpness of two images, which follows.

You will be shown a line of text and a supplemental lens will be rotated into place. This lens is a cylinder lens that is mounted on a 45 degree pivot. It can be flipped back an forth to bracket a ďtrial axisĒ or orientation of the long Axis of the Cylinder lens.

The thing that is confusing about this test is that the straight lines (strokes) of the letters will alternate in clarity as the lens is flipped back and forth depending on the direction of the stroke.

I suggest concentrating on an ďOĒ if possible. Depending on your answers, the ECP will adjust the axis knob unit the image you see is equally blurry with the supplemental lens 45 degrees each side of the selected axis.

At this point the ECP will probably swing the supplemental lens out of the way and may change the Cylinder power, while asking you which lens is shaper and clearer.

ďFine TuningĒ the Axis

If you have not had many eye exams, you may be uncomfortable asking the ECP to let you fine tune the Cylinder Axis. It is often beneficial to mention that you would like to Fine Tune the Axis at the appropriate point in the exam, before the exam starts. I have found that most ECPs will appreciate your wanting to actively participate in the exam.

The way this works is that the ECP will place your hand on the Axis control knob. This time, you move it back and forth a few degrees looking for the sharpest image. It is a bit like ďFine TuningĒ an old Analog TV set or moving the tuning knob on an analog AM radio for the best signal. As you move the knob, you may notice that the letters appear distorted (an uncorrected Astigmatism effect), all you have to do is stop moving the knob when the image looks the sharpest and has the proper shape. It is that simple.

The next step is determining the Sphere correction.

This is an easy part of the exam because all you have to do is pick the sharpest image, but there is a tricky part. Your auto-focus mechanism will try to help, if it gets a chance. The ECP has a couple of ways to minimize the action of your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses.

The ECP can ďsneak upĒ on your Sphere prescription or the ECP can use drops to Dilate your eyes. Lets talk about sneaking up on your prescription first.

There are actually FOUR lenses* in your eyeís lens system, but for our purposes we will only consider two of them, the Cornea and the Crystalline Lens. All of the lenses are PLUS lenses.

The total relaxed power of all the lenses added together is typically about +56 to +60 diopters. The only VARIABLE focus lens is the Crystalline Lens. The rest of the lenses are FIXED or SEMI-FiXED power. The PLUS power of your Crystalline Lens is controlled by your Ciliary Muscles. For distance, your Crystalline Lenses should be fully relaxed with a power of somewhere around +15 diopters. When you focus to read, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze the Crystalline Lenses to increase their PLUS power by the amount necessary to sharply focus the image on your Retina. The amount of additional PLUS needed, depends on the distance to the object. Typically around +2.50, but it can be a bit more, depending on how close you like to read. (See Presbyopia, below)

This will take a little thought to get your mind around, but if you are nearsighted (Myopic), your lens system has too much PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your Retina and you need MINUS lenses to neutralize some of that excess PLUS power. You ONLY have the ability to increase the PLUS power of your lens system. You have NO ability to reduce the PLUS power of your Crystalline lenses to LESS than that in the fully relaxed condition. (That is why people who are Myopic need external correction).

If you are farsighted (fHyperopic), your lens system does not have enough PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your Retina and you need PLUS lenses to focus images on your Retina. If Presbyopia does not prevent it, you have some ability to correct Hyperopia, internally.

To try to keep your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses from getting in the act, the ECP will start with NOT ENOUGH MINUS or TOO MUCH PLUS (optically. the same thing) and gradually increase the MINUS or decrease the PLUS, one or two steps at a time, while reducing the size of the line you are asked to read. ECP will not tell you what power lens or what line you are looking at. Eventually, ECP will reach the 20/20 line and a lens power that lets you read it with no mistakes.

The ECP will then follow the same procedure with your Left Eye.

When examiner has completed checking both eyes, he/she will open the shutters and you will likely see two separate images. This is intentional. This part of the exam is to check your muscle balance using some prisms that can separate the images both Horizontally and Vertically. ECP will probably ask you to tell him when the two images are aligned Horizontally and then Vertically.

While the images are separated, YOU have a very important check to make. Compare the sharpness of the two images. If they are not equally sharp, be sure and tell the ECP which image is clearer. If there is a difference, the examiner will likely reduce the sharpness of the clearest image until they match. The important thing at this point is that they match. That lack of sharpness will be corrected in the next phase with both eyes working together.

Next the ECP will fuse the two images so both eyes are working together and repeat the Sphere procedure by gradually increasing the MINUS or decreasing the PLUS simultaneously on both eyes until you see the 20/20 or sometimes the 20/15 line of letters, very clearly.

The final part of the exam is checking your near vision. This is done using a small chart about 14 to 16 inches or 35 to 40 cm from your eyes. The examiner will ask you to read the smallest

(lowest) line you can without straining. If you need some near focusing help, the Sphere PLUS will be increased until you can read the very small text easily.

That pretty much completes the exam.

Many people, who wear glasses, actually look forward to eye exams. Once you have become accustomed to having very good vision, you will probably find anything less, unacceptable.

Many times, after the exam, it will be suggested that you com back for another exam, some time in the future. Note that I used the word ďsuggestedĒ. It is NOT a Command. If your detect a problem or if your vision seems uncomfortable, please DO NOT wait until the ďsuggestedĒ date to seek an appointment to get your vision checked.

If the exam is for a child, and it is their first exam, you can help relieve the natural anxiety by fully explaining what is going to happen and most importantly assure them that it does not hurt. You might even consider getting an exam yourself, first, while the child observes. Many ECPs are excellent with children, understand their apprehension, and will go to great lengths to make them comfortable. This is very important, The best exams occur when the patient is relaxed.

I hope this helps. If you have any questions, please donít hesitate to ask. * The FOUR lenses in your eyes are: (from front to back)

1. The Cornea, a very strong fixed focus PLUS lens. The usual source of Astigmatism if the front surface is not a evenly curved. Note that the Cornea is living tissue that DOES NOT have a blood supply. It must get is Oxygen and Nutrients from tears and the air.

2. The Aqueous Humor, a watery fluid between the Cornea and the Iris. It has very little PLUS, but its power can be affected by blood chemistry, particularly abnormal Blood Glucose (diabetes)

3. The Crystalline Lens, a very strong variable focus lens whose power is Increased (only) by the action of the Ciliary Muscles. The Crystalline Lens is affected by Presbyopia and also the lens that can cloud up and become opaque. A condition called Cataract which requires surgery to correct. Most Cataract surgery today requires about 15 minutes per eye. The clouded Crystalline Lens is emulsified and removed thru a tiny incision in the side of the Cornea and an Intra Ocular Lens (IOL) is put in its place. The power of the IOL can be selected to correct Myopia or Hyperopia if desired. Initial recovery is very fast (hours) and resumption of most normal activities (some minor limitations) the next day. It usually takes about 30 days for complete recovery and a final prescription.

4. The Vitreous Humor, a thick gel that fills the eyeball behind the Crystalline Lens and the Retina. It contributes some PLUS, but like the Aqueous Humor, its power can be affected by blood chemistry.

Note: For most vision correction purposes, we only consider the Cornea, the Crystalline Lens, and the Ciliary Muscles.


Cactus Jack 03 Mar 2018, 10:39

Ryan,

I suggest reading 'How to Study for an Eye Exam" prior to your exam.

Before answering your question about what glasses to wear to the exam, I need a bit more information.

1. What is your age?

2. Are you noticing any blurry distance vision with the -1.50 glasses.

3. Is your exam with the same ECP that prescribed -0.50 glasses 3 years ago.

4. What is your occupation?

I will post How to Study for an Eye Exam.

C.


Ben Victor 03 Mar 2018, 10:01

Liam

Thank you so much, Bro! I'll keep trying. I'll wear my glasses every waking hour. I know I'm going to succeed. :)


Liam 03 Mar 2018, 08:02

Like your friend Cactus Jack I was able to wear strong myos without an initial need for glasses. When I started college when I was 18 I began with some -2 glasses. Roughly every two months I increased by -2. I appreciate I have not real myopia but I can see clearly now in -22 glasses and with concentration I can read. It is more difficult now to increase the strength and am now wanting to use GOC to go further.

What cls would I need to wear if I wish to use -30 glasses?

Ben Victor keep trying. For me the secret has been to wear glasses every waking hour.


Liam 03 Mar 2018, 08:01

Like your friend Cactus Jack I was able to wear strong myos without an initial need for glasses. When I started college when I was 18 I began with some -2 glasses. Roughly every two months I increased by -2. I appreciate I have not real myopia but I can see clearly now in -22 glasses and with concentration I can read. It is more difficult now to increase the strength and am now wanting to use GOC to go further.

What cls would I need to wear if I wish to use -30 glasses?

Ben Victor keep trying. For me the secret has been to wear glasses every waking hour.


Ryan 03 Mar 2018, 06:30

Hi

I am having an eye test tomorrow. My last RX was -0.50 in both eyes. I have been wearing -1.50 for the past 3 years. My dad has a spare pair of -4.25 that I can see reasonably well through. Should I wear them from now until my eye test or just carry on with the -1.50


Ben Victor 02 Mar 2018, 23:54

Cactus Jack

Good morning from here. Thank you so very much for your response and advise, I really appreciate! I've learnt some real good things from your response and advise. :) Thanks once again.

C.


Cactus Jack 02 Mar 2018, 20:46

Ben Victor,

The first thing that happens by wearing significant over correction is that you use your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses, which are the Active elements in your "Auto-Focus" System. How much over correction you can Accommodate depends on your Amplitude of Accommodation. In general your Accommodation Range is based on your Age and the strength of your Ciliary Muscles. Incidentally, for their size (very tiny), your Ciliary Muscles are the strongest muscles in the body.

Using the generally accepted formulas for calculating Amplitude of Accommodation for a 21 YO. Your minimum Accommodation should be about 18.5 - (0.3 * 21 (your age) or 12.2 diopters and your maximum should be about 25 -(0.4 * 21) or 16.6. Everyone is different, but that should give you an idea.

Don't forget to consider Vertex Distance (VD) effects of your glasses if the prescription is more than about -4.50, because the amount of correction at your Cornea is what counts. The formula for calculating Contact Lens Power vx. Glasses Power is the one for calculating VD effects at the Cornea.

Your -5.50 glasses have

-5.50 ^2 = 30.25 / 1000 = 0.03 * 12 mm (typical VD) = 0.36-5.50 = -5.137 at your Cornea.

-10 *2 = 100 / 1000 = 0.1 * 12 = 1.2 - 10 = -8.8 at your Cornea.

I have a very highly motivated acquaintance who was about 27 when he started Inducing Myopia and wore glasses just under -5.00. It took about 2 years, but he was able to work himself up to wearing -20.00 while studying.

-20^2 = 400/1000 = 0.4 * 12 = 4.80 -12 = -15.2 at his cornea. If his normal glasses were -5.00 his refractive error was about +4.7. His Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses would have to produce an additional +10.50 for distance and about +2.50 more for reading a t16 inches or 40 cm. A total of +13.00 diopters of accommodation.

If you do not have any refractive error you should be able to build up your Ciliary Muscles so you can probably build up to producing +13 or +14 diopters of Accommodation . If you can do that, you should be able to work up to around -17 or -18 glasses and read with them, if you work hard.

After he accomplished his goal, he quit wearing the -20.00. Because most of the myopia he induced was Pseudo Myopia, he gradually reverted to about 1 diopter of Axial or True Myopia more, than he needed before he started wearing the stronger glasses.

You may be able to do a little better if you want to, but from here on out, only increase your prescription by about 1 diopter every month or so. Wearing over correction is a bit like lifting weights at the gym. If you increase the weight too fast, you will strain your muscles and that is detrimental to what you want to accomplish.

C.


Ben Victor 02 Mar 2018, 19:04

Hi, I'm male and 21 years old. I'm not myopic, but I'm going to make sure I induce a degree of permanent myopia(I don't care how old I am). I started wearing -5.50Ds last year the 19th of december - So I've worn those for two months now. I just got the -10.0Ds, and they feel very strong on my eyes. Anyways, I'm going to wear them all day everyday for a year and take note of any differences in my vision. Thanks! :)


Soundmanpt 02 Mar 2018, 17:23

denden

I'm not sure where or who I who it was that I picked up your age as being 19. I'm thinking maybe it was our friend MROP that is only 19? Saying that I wonder how her eye exam went. I think she is going to come away with her first ever prescription for glasses which should be exciting for her. I think she's sure to get at the very least a written prescription of -.50 in each eye and maybe even more. The main thing for her will be that she actually does need to wear glasses and her vision isn't perfect anymore. Here in the US it is just a few minutes past 6:00PM In the UK I think it is just past midnight.

Sorry to hear that your glasses has been delayed due to weather. I'm sure you're looking forward to getting them as well. When you get them when are you planning on wearing them? Aren't the glasses you ordered somewhere around -2.00? If your partner sees you wearing new glasses isn't he likely going to want to try your glasses on? What are you going to say if he should notice that their stronger than your previous glasses? I only ask you questions like this so that you're prepared in case sometime like that happens. But you seem pretty sharp without my help so i'm sure you would have an answer.


denden 02 Mar 2018, 12:12

Soundmanpt,

I think you might have confused me with the girl that has horribly myopic siblings - she was saying that she was 19.

The glasses I ordered have been shipped but because of the extreme weather in the UK at the moment the delivery has been cancelled. I am eagerly waiting for them at the moment.


Soundmanpt 02 Mar 2018, 10:01

denden

Team sports are usually the sports that are probably better suited for wearing contacts. Sports like soccer or as they call it in the UK football, rugby and basketball are sports where wearing glasses isn't advisable.And needless to say if you were doing karate wearing glasses won't be a good idea. But power lifting you can do with glasses, with contacts or without any vision correction at all if you want because you don't need perfect vision to do that.Yes any type of sports that requires good distance vision like softball or baseball you wouldn't be able to play very well without glasses or contacts and contacts would be much safer. Many years ago I had my own women's softball team for 14 years. The girls ranged in age from 16 to 35, but most all of them were under 22. Most of the girls I got while they were in high school. This was back before contacts were very comfortable and often wouldn't stay on very well. Early on a couple of the girls wore glasses which they needed for distance. At the time I didn't know really anything about glasses except that I preferred to date glasses wearing girls. Besides being the manager of the team I also coached 1st base. The very first year in our very first game after one of the girls got a hit and was on 1sr base she asked me to hold her glasses for her. I didn't mind that at all. I assume she was afraid of maybe having some type of contact at another base and she didn't want her glasses on in case that happened. The other glasses wearers also would have me hold their glasses for them if they reached base. As each year came it seemed that more and more of my girls were starting to wear glasses. I assume things like starting to drive and getting jobs resulted in them getting glasses. My 3rd baseman was one of the new glasses wearers and in practice I could tell that she seemed much more afraid of the ball than she used. I had a talk with her and she said that she was afraid of the ball hitting her in the face and breaking her glasses. I suggested since she didn't need to see that far playing 3rd base that she should try playing without her glasses. She took her glasses off and I started hitting her ground balls and she didn't have any problem at all with seeing the ball. the ones that played in the outfield of course needed their glasses in order to see the ball but they didn't have any reason to fear their glasses getting broken either. By the last year of having the team 7 of the 15 girls wore glasses.

I didn't realize that you're 23 now. I only saw something in your early comments about being 19 in a conversation with Cactus Jack. You right you really are nearing the time where inducing some myopia is nearing being impossible soon. Your current glasses look really nice. I'm sure they look very good on you as well. With as much thought that you have put into this I was pretty sure that you probably already a certain style of glasses that you want as your full time glasses. It really helps that your partner loves how you look wearing your glasses since you're going to be wearing glasses far more often than he's used to seeing you in glasses. Like I said once he gets used to seeing you wearing glasses all the time he will accept that as your new look. And i'm sure you're going to give him plenty of opportunity to see you without your glasses as well.

I'm glad that you tried wearing your -2.50 contacts in both eyes and even better that your eyes didn't seem to mind at all. If your eyes are that comfortable with just your -2.50 contacts it wouldn't be a bad idea to push your eyes a bit more by wearing your glasses over the top them as well. The more close work, such as studying, with your contacts and glasses on the better. You want your eyes to feel like their working harder than normal. In other words having your eyes stressed a bit is a good thing. That is what is going to cause your eyes to change.

Did the glasses you ordered ever arrive? i know you had your prescribed glasses and sunglasses changed to a stronger prescription that matched the glasses you wore back in high school when you were doing GOC.


Lovelenses 01 Mar 2018, 20:37

Denden - I completely understand your wish to be myopic. Thought I would share my story since I have been reading posts for awhile. I developed cataracts at 48 years old and talked to my opthamologist about monofocal lenses with a focal point on near distance. I do a lot of close up work for my job and the doctor agreed with my choice. I was tired of the whole presbyopia and reading glasses thing and decided to fufill my wish to be myopic. Surgery went perfectly and I now need glasses full time with a prescription of minus 2.75. Everything is blurry without my glasses and I love it. Iím happy with the prescription and love the way my glasses look. Hope everything goes well for you trying to induce some myopia.


Glass Lenses 01 Mar 2018, 18:54

MROP

Tomorrow is the big day. Happy prescription!


denden 01 Mar 2018, 10:13

Soundmanpt,

I've never been good at nor enjoyed team based sports. I used to do Karate but that's now off limits after getting a nose surgery (not a nose job lol). At the moment I am doing heavy lifting at a local gym which does not really require corrected vision. But you never know, maybe I will get into some sort of sports that require good distance vision in the future. I would also wear contacts for special occasions where glasses may look out of place, e.g. weddings, upscale events etc.

I am currently 23, not 19. I fear that I might be too late to induce a good amount of myopia, but I will give it my best while I have the chance.

These are my current specs: https://gvfrance.liquifire.com/gvfrance?set=angle[1],articleNumber[275876],company[gdo],finalSize[productdetails]&call=url[file:common/productPresentation0517]

I really like that style. My partner also loves the way they fit on me but he would probably want to see me bare eyed as well sometimes. That won't be an issue since I enjoy nearsighted vision anyway so I will keep my glasses off sometimes.

Following your advice on how to use up my dailies, I wore my -2.50 contacts on both eyes today. I barely noticed any difference, so I might just wear the same power in both eyes from now on. It gives me the flexibility to put on my glasses to bump up the overcorrection when I'm alone. I have an insane amount of studying to do nowadays so it's perfect.


Soundmanpt 01 Mar 2018, 09:44

denden

You really hadn't talked much about how you will feel about wearing glasses once your eyes reach your goal of -1.50 to -2.00. Of course it's just as important that you really like how you look wearing glasses since you're likely going to be wearing glasses for the rest of your life. Of course there may be times when you may not want to wear glasses and for those times you will have the option to wear contacts instead. If you play sports contacts are a much better option than wearing your glasses which depending on the sport could get broken. Just curious what sports do you play? Once your eyes become stable and you have an actual prescription I have a feeling that you're going to have more than one pair of glasses in your prescription to choose from. With Zenni having several hundred to choose from for under $13.00 it should be easy for you assemble a nice selection of your own. Don't forget once you get settled at a final prescription be sure to get the optional AR coating (anti-reflective) on your glasses.

Because you have done so much research about being nearsighted and even simulated being nearsighted by doing GOC you are going into this with your soon to be nearsighted eyes wide open. So i'm sure after 10 years of wanting this you would regret it more if you didn't do it now while you still have the chance. You're 19 so as you know time could be running out for you at any time for your eyes to be changed. Based on your late night trip to the supermarket that you did bare eyed apparently things were noticeably more blurry that ever before. You managed that in less than a month of wearing over correction.

Since you really like how you look wearing glasses I assume that you already have a certain pair or style picked out that you want as your full time glasses? Are you willing to share that now? So far you have pretty much only wore glasses part time around your partner. Do you think he will be surprised once you start wearing your glasses full time? Since you said that he really doesn't have much, if any interest in optics, i'm sure he will quickly get used to seeing you wearing glasses all the time and not make much out of it.


denden 28 Feb 2018, 15:57

Also, I'm aware of how weird my wish to be nearsighted is. That's why I tried to grow out of it to no avail. I wasn't inducing until now because I was afraid I'd regret it later, but considering it's been 10 years and my wish is just as strong, I think I am meant to be nearsighted.


denden 28 Feb 2018, 15:50

Soundmanpt,

Glad you enjoyed my story. I think I am influenced by all of the reasons you mentioned. I really like how I look in glasses; I think they suit my intellectual personality. At first I did the GOC because I felt like I'd be judged for wearing such a small prescription full time, and you know how much hate people get for using glasses as a fashion accessory. However, GOC made me realise I not only liked the glasses but also nearsighted vision. I was fascinatee by how I coulr alternate between sharp and blurry vision with glasses and contacts.

I don't think I would bother with contacts that much if I was naturally nearsighted. I'd still get some dailies to pop on if a situation calls for them (e.g. sports, an outfit that clashes with my glasses) but glasses would be my default correction.


Soundmanpt 28 Feb 2018, 10:19

denden

Oh and i'm not exactly sure now how the optometrist can tell if someone wears contacts or not. I know back when their was only the hard contacts they left a ring or slot where they sat on the corneas. But the newer soft lenses shouldn't do that. If someone over wears their contacts which nearly everyone does the doctor can tell by the blood vessels as you say. I had a friend that had her contacts taken away because she had too many blood vessels going into her eyes. I'm just mentioning it so if by any chance the doctor does notice something when examining your eyes and asks you about it you won't be taken by surprise.


Soundmanpt 28 Feb 2018, 10:11

denden

I didn't in anyway find your comment about how you were able to get both contacts and glasses boring. I was just very curious how without having some form of a prescription and being in high school meaning that you were considered under age you were able to get contacts and glasses. My thought was that you maybe got your glasses from a friend that wore glasses and when she got new glasses you asked for her old ones. I have seen this happen numerous times myself. Needless to say I know nothing about how things work in Turkey as far as getting glasses and or contacts. I have been able to tell by your comments and questions that you have really done your research on the subject of optics. This explains why you have a very good idea as to the perfect prescription you want your glasses to be because you have already seen what -1.50 vision is like. So when did you get your first actual prescribed glasses? I believe you said they were only -.50 / -.25. Hardly anything at all really and like you said not even enough to restrict you from driving without glasses. Of course every doctor even if your eyesight is still legal to drive without glasses will recommend that you wear your glasses when driving because you're going to see slightly better with your glasses than without them of course. I was wondering why you have only recently decided that you want to induce some myopia? Everybody has a reason. Some just because they want to have a good reason for wearing glasses. Some because they feel they look better wearing glasses. Some because they like the way wearing glasses feels. And some like you, enjoy being able to take their glasses off and be in their own little blurred world. Your actual need for glasses doesn't provide you with enough blurred vision to allow you go to that world. So you're looking forward to enjoying that blurry world you want when you take your glasses off and the nice sharp clear world when you put your glasses back on. The only question is are you going to be okay with wearing glasses full time? Of course you have the option of wearing contacts but their not as easy to take off when you want to go into your blurry little world. I totally get it and based on your own findings it really seems like your eyes are more than willing to induce the myopia you're wanting.


Glass Lenses 27 Feb 2018, 18:28

MROP

On Friday, wear your strongest glasses while driving to your appointment, arrive earlier, and park across the street, or close by and spend as much time as possible reading a book, with glasses on. Hold it as close to your eyes as you can tolerate. Then arrive at the appointment just a few minutes before your scheduled time. You of course will be bareyed.

You may be asked to fill out a form, and if so get your eyes as close to it as you can, and try to squint a lot. Many times the person at the front desk is also the one that will give you some preliminary vision tests, so you want to appear myopic to that person.

When asked to read an eye chart in the beginning, when you get to a line that is even a bit fuzzy, tell the doctor that you think you may be able to see it more clearly if you squint. He, or she will tell you not to.

It is possible that you left eye has become more myopic than the right.

A number of years ago, a few friends were inducing, and one girl had her right eye take off, and the left one lagged. After some time the right eye went to -3.00, and the left -.50. When I lost contact with her the right had gone to -9.50, with some astigmatism, and the left at -1.00. Her doctor had also prescribed a bifocal for the bad eye only, as reading with it was impossible with the -9.50 lense.

She actually looked really hot in those glasses, with a thick, plano front bifocal, and the other eye with very little correction.


denden 27 Feb 2018, 14:51

MROP,

I'm assuming that you ordered Air Optix Night and Day. What is your base curve, if I may ask?

(slightly off-topic, if you are using visiondirect.co.uk I LOOOOVE the Haribos they send with each order! Makes me look forward to each contact lens update)

I will definitely update you once I get around to wearing my Acuvue Oasys.

Soundmanpt, how can optometrists tell one is a contact lens wearer? Is it because their eyes have more tiny vessels? I thought contacts made no structural change to one's eyes if all the hygienic rules were followed...


denden 27 Feb 2018, 14:45

Soundmanpt,

Forgot to mention, I also got the R -1.25 L -0.75 -0.50 prescription copied onto my sunglasses, which I have been using quite often since. Those, fortunately, never fell out of style.


denden 27 Feb 2018, 14:37

Soundmanpt,

Very well. Even though I live in the UK now, I'm originally from Turkey. I moved to the UK because I was dissatisfied with the way many things were in Turkey, including people's tendency to bend the rules. However, that can occasionally be a good thing; in this particular case, it meant that I could convince opticians to manufacture glasses for me without a formal prescription as long as I seemed aware of how optics worked.

So I went ahead and studied optics meticulously. I think I even stumbled upon this forum back then but didn't post anything (not that I remember). I was too chicken to actively try to induce myopia so I decided that GOC would be the way to go. First I wanted to learn how to use contacts, so I went to one optician and told him that my prescription was -0.75 and -1.25. I felt that I could tolerate that much overcorrection without eye strain. He handed me Acuvue Oasys in 8.4 BC, which seemed extremely popular among my nearsighted classmates as well (also in my school it felt like almost everyone was nearsighted lol). Having done my due diligence, I wanted to try 8.6 BC contacts as well to try and find my best fit. Going to an optometrist wasn't an option back then. Luckily I had a friend with the exact same prescription, who was currently on Air Optix with 8.6 BC. She wanted to try Acuvue Oasys as well as her Air Optix were not feeling that comfortable anymore, so we agreed to exchange one pair from each brand. I concluded that Acuvue Oasys were significantly more comfortable, and she concluded that she would continue her steady relationship with Air Optix.

Anyway, after wearing minus lenses for a while, I wanted to take the step forward to wearing GOC. I started complaining to my friends that I couldn't see the board anymore with my contacts on. I went to another optician and asked him to update my glasses with R -1.75 L -1.25 -0.50 180 lenses. I also bought +1.25 contacts "for my sister" (who doesn't exist, I'm an only child). I used that combination for quite a while. Over time I found myself wearing my glasses less and less because I was enjoying the nearsighted vision in a weird way I couldn't understand myself. Maybe it has to do with my introverted personality. It felt liberating in a way to not be overwhelmed by so much detail in the world. Unfortunately, a classmate who also seemed quite into optics noticed once that I had contacts on. I was super scared of being found out about my GOC thing so I stopped wearing plus lenses shortly after that.

Having told my friends my myopia is around -1.75, I needed a consistent follow up story. I went to the optician that sold me the -0.75 -1.25 lenses and told him to fit my glasses with these lenses. I informed him about the -0.50 astigmatism in my left eye as well. Then I went to school with these glasses and told them my prescription has been reduced. I wore these glasses on and off mainly because I got really bored of their style. Then I got caught up with other things, such as studying for exams to get into a British university, and my myopia obsession got put in the backburner.

And now here I am, still missing my fake nearsighted days from high school and hoping I'm not too late to attain that vision permanently.


Soundmanpt 27 Feb 2018, 12:52

denden

I'm sure you can't wait to start wearing your Acuvue Oasys extended war contacts. First of all because their stronger than your dailies which your eyes seem to not even notice that you're wearing anymore. And being able to pretty much wear them constantly will mean that your eyes will constantly be seeing through over correction. You know now that you had your glasses made up with the prescription you wore back in high school when you were doing GOC you could still wear your dailies along with those glasses if you wanted to use them up.That combination would have your eyes seeing through combined lenses of -4.00 / -3.25.

Okay just so you know I really don't mind being bored so I would really love to hear how a sweet little high school girl even knew what GOC was and how you managed to pull it off? You somehow not only managed to get plus contacts but also minus glasses and even prescription sunglasses as well. So did you wear GOC most days at school. So do tell how you were able to get contacts and glasses when you shouldn't have even been able to get a credit card.


Soundmanpt 27 Feb 2018, 11:30

MROP

Sorry to hear your appointment got pushed back. Are you still scheduled for late in the day on Friday? I'm sure you have to be happy that all your hard work seems to be working, at least with your left eye anyway. It sounds like your left is going to need a stronger prescription than your right eye. Your right eye may just be a little stronger than your left eye, but by continuing to wear over correction it will soon be as blurry as your left eye is. I can't wait to hear what your prescription will be. Of course I know it really doesn't matter because you're still going to wear your stronger glasses and contacts anyway.

I'm glad you're being careful about wearing contacts. If the contacts you're currently wearing aren't comfortable they could cause a problem which you don't need now. By the way the doctor is likely going to be able to tell when he / she examines your eyes that you are a contact lens wearer. So it I would suggest that you say that you bought some colored contacts in a boutique or on line as non prescription to wear for fashion sake.

Then next week you when you talk to your family by phone you need to tell them that you need to start wearing glasses now. If you were already complaining about your eyesight when you were home over Christmas it probably won't surprise them that much. When do you go home again? You're going to have to wear a pair of your weaker glasses along with your contacts when you go home. You know that someone is for sure going to ask to try your glasses on. So your glasses can't be too strong already. Probably something around -1.25 or -1.50 would be okay as a first pair, or so they think anyway.

Theirs a young lady that works at a convenience store / gas station that has been holding off with getting her eyes checked because she knows that she needs to start wearing glasses and she is a bit shy and scared about having to wear glasses. I started pushing her several weeks ago when I got gas their and the other girl working was wearing glasses so I was telling her how I can get her glasses so much cheaper on line. She told me that me that she is in fact due to get her eyes checked and she knows that she needs stronger glasses again. She told me that she had only started wearing her glasses full time a few months ago, but now she feels like she can't see anything without her glasses anymore. I asked her if she knew what her prescription is and of course she had no idea. I leaned over her counter and asked her if I could see her glasses as I took them off of her. Looking through her glasses i'm pretty sure they were around -2.00 and not more than -2.50 maybe. She said that she started wearing glasses about 4 years ago. When I gave her glasses back to her she pointed at her co worker and said how she has been putting off with getting her eyes examined. Instantly that girl turned red in the face. It took a bit to get her to even talk about her eyes. She finally admitted that she has trouble when her eyes get tired reading small print and her distance is always a little blurry but worse at night. I told her I was going to make a point to come in at least once a week until she gave up and went for her eye exam. She told me Saturday evening that she has an appointment for this Thursday to get her eyes examined and she said she will be getting her glasses from me since I can get her an AR coating (anti-reflective) for only $5.00 and the the stores charge $45.00 or more for that coating and insurance won't cover it. Also getting them form me she can not only get her glasses that she needs but also a nice pair of prescription sunglasses.


MROP 27 Feb 2018, 10:19

Just an update from me,

I've now been scheduled to work tomorrow so I have my eye exam booked for Friday morning now. Any last minute tips for me?

I've been wearing my glasses and or contacts constantly and have recently noticed that my vision in my left eye is significantly worse than my right. In the day I get no blur in my right eye ( I feel a little strained sometimes, but no physical blur) yet with my left I am finding it a lot harder to focus on things. At night, this is near impossible with my left eye. Even the television which is less than 2 metres from me is difficult to see when I'm tired. Is this a good sign? does this mean my left eye is more myopic? I'm wondering if I have slight astigmatism in the left eye maybe.

I'll let you all know how my eye exam goes.

Also Denden, I've just ordered myself some more extended wear lenses that are suitable for up to 30 days and nights of constant wear ( obviously I won't go 30 nights wearing them) but you'll have to let me know how they are to sleep in! I've got some extended wear lenses now but am not a fan of the fit compared to the brand I had before, so have gone back to the previous brand, just choosing their extended wear lenses this time!! Looking forward to sleeping in my lenses.


lentifan 27 Feb 2018, 08:00

WantMyos

I can well understand your curiosity in wanting to know how it feels to wear glasses with strong lenses like your siblings and I wish you luck with your attempts to either (or both) simulate myopia or enjoy GOC. If you are happy wearing glasses, i see no harm in inducing myopia and/or developing strabismus by wearing prism glasses. After all, strabismus would be one way of ensuring you need to wear glasses if that is what you want to do.

I am interested to know if your siblings all wear glasses, or do some of them wear contact lenses? Do they manage to lead normal lives with their high prescriptions? Do they ever complain about difficulties due to their myopia?

While I am sure Cactus is correct in advising you to start with a relatively low prescription if doing GOC, this does mean quite an expense in building up to the sort of prescription that your siblings have and which would necessitate myodiscs - say more than 20 dioptres - due to needing potentially several pairs of contacts and matching glasses at progressively higher presriptions.

If all your siblings use the same optician, I wonder what others think of the idea of going to them and saying you want to understand by experience the sort of vision your siblings have with their glasses and asking them to prescribe some GOC to enable you to do this.


denden 27 Feb 2018, 04:25

Soundmanpt & Cactus Jack,

Just a quick update on my situation. My Acuvue Oasys contacts in -3.50 and -3.25 arrived! Woo-hoo! I'm still not done with my dailies in -2.75 and -2.50 but I am looking forward to switching to my new contacts. Today I was thinking for a moment "I need to put on my contacts as my eyes are relaxing" only to realise I had them on!! It feels like I'm not wearing overcorrection anymore. How cool is that?

The glasses I ordered online have been shipped. Also I convinced an optician to copy a pair of prescription sunglasses I had from high school (R -1.25 L -0.75 -0.50 180) into my current glasses. Don't ask how I managed to get those sunglasses in high school, it's a long and tedious story and I'd rather not bore you with it lol. Now I'm happy that even my weakest glasses overcorrect me. In fact I am planning to hit the optometrist when I start having blurry vision with my weakest glasses, as it would mean an increase of more than -0.50 (which spells victory).


Cactus jack 27 Feb 2018, 01:01

WantMyos,

Could you tell me a bit about your educational background. It would help me in answering your questions and offering explanations.

I assume at 19 you have graduated from High School and may be in University.

May I ask how you did in Math and the Sciences in HS?

If you are in University, have you chosen a field of study? I understand that it may change as you discover new interests.

If not in University, may I ask your occupation?

C.


Antonio 26 Feb 2018, 23:39

Hi WantMyos,

Please never ever wear glasses with prisms in them.

We have read here stories, that only some days of wearing -and perhaps less - have ruined a person's sight gor their lifetime.

After that, always when that person put the prism glasses of she saw two images and just couldn't stand it.

So she from there on always had to wear these prism glasses, also in rain, storm and during sports.

On the other hand GOC - without prisms is harmless. And ig you wear as everxday


Antonio 26 Feb 2018, 23:38

Hi WantMyos,

Please never ever wear glasses with prisms in them.

We have read here stories, that only some days of wearing -and perhaps less - have ruined a person's sight gor their lifetime.

After that, always when that person put the prism glasses of she saw two images and just couldn't stand it.

So she from there on always had to wear these prism glasses, also in rain, storm and during sports.

On the other hand GOC - without prisms is harmless. And ig you wear as everxday


WantMyos 26 Feb 2018, 21:54

Cactus Jack,

Thank you for explaining all this. My math skills are not the best when it comes to basic math, but I am pretty good at higher level math. However, I sure know my way around a calculator so that helps make up for my lack of basic math skills.


Cactus Jack 26 Feb 2018, 21:31

WantMyos,

Within limits, you can do both.

GOC is actually easier than Inducing Myopia because you are in control of what happens and while there are optical limitations, you are not constrained by Physiological limitations. If don't correctly, GOC is not particularly harmful because no attempt is made to alter the actual optical properties of your eyes.

The biggest mistake most people make when starting GOC is to be too greedy and want to start with a very high glasses prescription. The problem with that is that your brain has to learn to see with very significant optical aberrations associated with high prescription glasses. Your brain can learn to deal with that, but you have to give it time.

Your siblings have had years of experience wearing high minus glasses and they did not become extremely myopic overnight.

If you want to try GOC, the first step is to get a prescription for Contact Lenses and instruction about how to insert them, remove them, and care for them. For GOC purposes the things you are most interested in are: Your Base Curve, Diameter, and to some extent, the brand. You don't want a Toric lens for your Astigmatism in the Right Eye, but a compromise Sphere only prescription where 1/2 of the Cylinder power is added to the Sphere or -0.75 in both eyes.

You won't actually wear the -0.75 lenses for GOC, but CLs with quite a bit of Sphere only PLUS that has to be neutralized by glasses with significant MINUS Sphere and an exact transference of the Cylinder and Axis to the glasses.

Here is something to think about. I suggest starting with a GOC glasses prescription of -4 or less.

How are your math skills?

C..


WantMyos 26 Feb 2018, 21:05

Cactus Jack

I am sorry, I now feel as though I have wasted your time. I do really want to be very nearsighted and crosseyed. I would love that, but now I am conflicted.


WantMyos 26 Feb 2018, 20:23

I understand what everyone is saying. I guess I am lucky I did not end up with horrible eyesight. How would I go about GOC?


Soundmanpt 26 Feb 2018, 10:09

WantMyos

Over the years I have always tried to help with advice and encouragement to anyone that has wanted to induce myopia so they can either start wearing glasses for the first time or so they can increase their need for wearing stronger glasses. In order for them to do that i'm well aware that they will be making their eyesight worse. But i'm sure they are also well aware of that also. If their successful the result will be that they will finally have their wish of be a glasses wearer or wearing stronger glasses. But either way their eyesight may no longer be perfect like it was before or they may need their glasses more than they did before they would still have perfect vision with the aid of their glasses and could continue to do everything they were ever able to do before they started wearing glasses. My point is their need for wearing glasses didn't ruin or change their life because they would still be able to everything they ever did before. And God forbid, if they ever tire of wearing glasses they have the option of wearing contacts to correct their vision or if they want their vision completely restored they can even get lasik and be back to perfect vision. In other words it's reversible. Denden and MROP or both currently trying to induce some myopia. It's easy to see that they both have studied this for some time before making this decision. Neither of them are shooting for the moon by wanting their eyesight to be in the double digits. They both only want to be nearsighted enough that they will both need to wear their glasses full time if they want to see clearly. But they will both be able to function well enough without their glasses. I urge you before you even start wearing the glasses you have on order to really think long and hard before wearing them. You got your first glasses about a year ago with a very weak prescription but still enough that your eyes are able to see better wearing your glasses. But as you know you're still able to see pretty well without them. After you got your first glasses how much do you wear them? Do you wear them full time because you really want to wear glasses that badly or only when you need them? I really wish that you had ordered your new glasses without the prisms in them. There must have been some reason why God decided to spare you the same terrible eyesight he has given your entire family. You need to really think about it that way instead of feeling left out in someway. Maybe God finally knowing how badly you were wanting to wear glasses decided to grant you your wish by making your eyes just bad enough that you now would need to wear glasses and you wouldn't have your perfect vision anymore? Inducing so you need your glasses more is one thing and I would support you with that because your eyes would still be able to see 20/20 with glasses or even dare I say it, contacts. And of course wearing glasses would never stop you from doing whatever type of job you may choose as your career. In fact wearing glasses usually even tends to help with getting hired. But getting prisms in your glasses is going to ruin your eyes very quickly. Once you start with prisms their is no going back. You have had glasses for over a year so by now i assume that you're fine with wearing glasses and probably even enjoy wearing your glasses. But when you take your glasses now things are probably a little bit blurry but really not too bad because your eyesight isn't very bad. But once your eyes get adjusted to your stronger glasses not only will things be much more blurry when you take off your glasses but you may soon start seeing everything with double vision when your glasses are off. As your eyes continue to get worse you will even get double vision while your wearing your glasses if your eyes get tired which they are sure to do while your over correction them. If you drive a car this could be a real problem for you trying to see to drive and seeing double. Have you ever talked to any of your siblings about what you're wanting to do? I really think they would beg you not to do it and be happy that you were blessed with so much better eyesight. I have a feeling that none of your siblings can see very well even with their strong myodisc glasses. Do you really want to go through life unable to see anything clearly even with your glasses on? Once you wreck your eyes wearing prisms you will never have the option of wearing contacts and unlike just being myopic it isn't reversible.


denden 25 Feb 2018, 15:38

WantMyos,

As Cactus Jack stated, you can't really induce high myopia like that of your siblings anymore. You may be able to increase your prescription somewhat but not enough to wear Myodiscs.

My suggestion to you would be to try Glasses Over Contacts (commonly referred to as GOC here), which is done by wearing plus contacts under thick minus glasses. For lower prescriptions the method is straightforward - let's say you wanted to wear -3.00 glasses, you would need to order +2.25 contacts so that their combination equals the amount of minus you need with your natural eyesight. For higher prescriptions, it becomes more complicated because after a certain point contact lens powers have a different equivalent in glasses. I'm sure Cactus Jack or Soundmanpt would be able to help you do the maths if you are interested.

The benefit of GOC is that you get to experience the nearsighted vision that you wish for without any risk for permanent damage (provided that you receive the appropriate training for using contacts). I personally did GOC for a while before deciding for sure that I actually wanted to become more nearsighted. If your reasons are solely cosmetic (i.e. you want to wear myodics) and you don't care for having blurry vision, then it's really not worth ruining your eyesight for.

I personally only want to be mildly nearsighted (my sweet spot is around -1.50), and I'd rather not be nearsighted at all than be over -4.00. That said, I am not judging you - this forum is a safe haven for us myope wannabes who would not be understood elsewhere. All I want is for you to know exactly what you are wishing for before you take any irreversible steps towards it.


Cactus Jack 25 Feb 2018, 15:32

WantMyos,

What you are wanting to do requires some planning and execution.

You have asked for advice on how to Induce Myopia and Strabismus (Esophoria). To do that you need to order glasses that have more Sphere correction than your recent eye exam specified and with Base Out Prism.

When you get them, you need to start wearing the -1.00 over correction when ever you are awake. Initially, you may notice some stress when reading, but that will soon go away and the -1.00 over will be comfortable. When that happens, switch to the -2.00 over correction. Repeat the process and order the -3.00 over correction. This may take several months. Try to avoid wearing your original prescription if you can (with two exceptions).

Exception 1. If you are successful, you will notice that when you take off your -2 or -3 glasses, distant objects are blurry with your original glasses. Only do this very briefly.

Exception 2. If you need to go back to the ECP that prescribed your current prescription, wear the glasses you were prescribed, but complain of blurry vision, particularly at night and occasional double vision if you are tired.

At some point after wearing over correction for some months, you might want to get an official exam to measure your progress of Inducing Myopia and Strabismus. DO NOT go to the ECP who prescribed your current prescription, wearing glasses that are different than what he/she prescribed.

You need to select a different ECP that you have not seen before and go to the exam wearing the -2 or -3 glasses for as long as you can before entering the office, change to the -1 glasses and enter the office. Your complaint needs to be blurry distance vision and problems with double vision. Ideally, you will be prescribed an increased MINUS prescription with additional BO prism which is common for a Myope needing a new prescription. Do not order glasses with this new prescription, but use it as a basis for ordering new glasses as you did with your current prescription.

Does this help?

C.


Antonio 25 Feb 2018, 14:44

WantMyos,

please don't ruin your eyesight wearing prisms or other strong glasses.

Your family might be in need of their brothees with good sight in the future, if one of your brothers might not see any more good.

And you are so young. And good eyes are a gift given by God.

So don't ruin them.

You might be sorry -if you ruin them now - in the future if you want to do a job which require good sight.

Despite eyes go worse on their own sometimes and you are still young. So don.t make them worse please.

Best regards Antonio


WantMyos 25 Feb 2018, 13:27

Cactus Jack,

I am a bit confused, do you want me to wear my over correction for months before going into a new eye doctor, or just before the exam? If I were to do it just before the exam, wouldn't I just end up with the same prescription or very minimal change?

To answer your questions:

1. Both my parents are pretty myopic. I believe my dad has a stronger prescription than my mom. I think his prescription is about -15/-17. On my mom's side my grandparents just need glasses for reading. However, my aunts and uncles all are nearsighted. On my dad's side my grandma is very myopic, more than my 19 year old brother. She is legally blind now. My grandpa is also pretty nearsighted, but I think he is not even in the -20s.

2 and 3. The 22 year old brothers are identical twins, and the 14 year old siblings are also twins. My 19 year old brother and I are just Irish twins, he is about 7 and half months younger than me.

4. They are the only ones who have had problems with their eyes being crossed. My oldest brother had surgery when he was younger, but it was not successful, and both siblings with strabismus did vision therapy when they were younger.

5. Not as far as I know.

(6.) The younger of my 22 year old brothers, the one with -2.75 astigmatism.


Cactus Jack 25 Feb 2018, 10:22

WantMyos,

In reviewing your sibling's prescriptions, there is very strong evidence of genetics. I have a few questions:

1. Are your parents or grandparents also very Myopic?

2. Your 22 YO Brothers appear to be identical twins. Is that correct?

3. Your 14 YO Brother and Sister also appear to be twins. Is that correct?

4. It appears that your 24 YO Brother and 14 YO Sister have strabismus issues. Have any other siblings had strabismus problems that have been corrected by surgery or therapy?

5. Has your family been asked to participate in any genetic studies related to Myopia?

Over the years there have been several families where Myopia appears to have a very strong genetic component. Most babies are born with Hyperopia because their eyeballs have to be small enough to fit in the bony eye socket in their small heads. There is evidence that their Accommodative effort is a factor in stimulating eyeball growth which reduces Hyperopia or may increase Myopia if excessive growth occurs.

Another questions:

Have any of your siblings had any problems with Retinal Detachment?

C.


Cactus Jack 25 Feb 2018, 09:06

WantMyos,

You asked about tips for getting prism prescribed.

The first step in getting prism prescribed is be wearing prism in your glasses when you get an eye exam, but you must NOT go to an ECP who has previously prescribed glasses without any prism. They will ask a lot of questions that are hard to answer.

There are a few other precautions you need to take when it comes time for an exam. There is no point in getting an exam until you should have been wearing significant over correction for a while (months), but in your situation, you should probably change to the -1.00 over correction just before the exam and report that distance vision is blurry and that you are having problems with double vision when you are tired and may need an increase in your prism correction.

C.


WantMyos 25 Feb 2018, 08:32

Cactus Jack

Yes. Why?


Cactus Jack 24 Feb 2018, 23:28

WantMyos,

Did you order the glasses with Base Out (BO) prism?

C.


Likelenses 24 Feb 2018, 22:27

This online optical company can make you some wonderfully thick glasses in your low prescription.

http://www.optical4less.com/specialmaking-eyeglasses/

My girlfriend has had some made up by them, and we also found a small neighborhood optician, that has his own lab, that made her some awesome myos. Her prescription is in the double digits, but not where myos are typically prescribed.She loves them.

The large chain optical stores usually are not interested in being creative, so look for a small one that has its own lab.


WantMyos 24 Feb 2018, 21:23

Cactus Jack,

Thank you for sharing all of that. I will defiantly be doing a lot of very close reading with my new glasses when they come. I cannot wait.

Any tips on getting prisms prescribed when they never were before?

Also, feel free to ask what you need to. I would prefer we talk on here rather than email if that is okay with you.


Cactus Jack 24 Feb 2018, 20:30

WantMyos,

Your siblings are a prime example of genetics in action. More about that later.

It appears that you were the lucky or unlucky one, depending on your point of view.

It is impossible to predict how much Myopia you can induce. I know of one highly motivated individual, a bit older than you are, whose natural prescription was just under -5.00. He was ultimately able to wear -20.00 glasses and read pretty comfortably with them. However, there is an optical phenomenon involved with high prescription glasses that affects their effective power. It is called Vertex Distance.

Vertex Distance (VD) is the distance from the front surface of the Cornea to the back surface of the glasses lenses. It is very hard to measure accurately and at very high prescriptions it can have a very significant effect on the effective power of the glasses. For our purposes, we will talk about the VD effects on MINUS lenses. VD effects of PLUS lenses is the opposite of MINUS lenses.

VD effects of MINUS glasses lenses are LESS at the Cornea that the optical power of the glasses lenses. I don't know if you have studied Math or Physics (Optics) in school, but the math is not all that hard to use. VD effects are the SQUARE (^2) of the diopter power of the lenses, divided by 1000 and multiplied by the VD in mm. Typical VD is between 10 and 13 mm. Because of the SQUARE function, glasses lenses with less than about +/- 4.50 diopters have almost no VD effect, but VD effects for your 19 YO Brother, who needs -33.50 Sphere, are huge. Let me do the math:

-33.50 x -33.50 = 1122.25 (the - sign gets lost)

1122.25 / 1000 = 1.12 diopters per mm.

I am pretty sure he wears Myodiscs, maybe even bi-concave type and I suspect his VD is around 12, so lets use that.

1.12 x 12 = 13.44 diopters -33.50 = -20.06

Notice that even a small change in the location of his glasses can make a big difference in the effectiveness of his glasses. It might be possible for him to wear Sphere only Contact Lenses to correct most of his Sphere and then glasses that correct his Astigmatism and the balance of his Sphere, but it takes an ECP who is a bit creative.

In the case of the individual I mentioned above, -20.00 glasses only have the effect of about -16.00 at the Cornea which was only -12.00 over his actual refractive error.

Lets talk a bit about Myopia. This involves the optics of the eye and some of the Math discovered by Sir Isaac Newton (also of Gravity and Calculus fame) over 300 years ago. The math is even easier.

There are two kinds of Myopia. They have different causes, but the same effect, you need MINUS corrective lenses to have good vision.

Axial or True Myopia is caused by a mismatch between the Total PLUS power of the eye's lens system and the length of the eyeball from the back of the Crystalline Lens to the Retina. In a typical adult eye the Total PLUS power of the eye's lens system is about +59 diopters and the distance from the Crystalline Lens to the Retina is about 17 mm. Eyeball growth is controlled primarily by genetics and somewhat by Visual Environment. Most Axial or True Myopia is caused by excessive eyeball growth. It is considered Permanent, because the eyeballs typically do not shrink in size or length once they have grown.

Pseudo or False Myopia has a completely different cause, but the same effect. It is caused by the eye's Auto-Focus System having difficulty fully relaxing. The Auto-Focus System in your eyes consists of some very tiny Ciliary Muscles and your Crystalline Lenses. For a person with normal vision to be able to focus close to read or use a computer, your Ciliary Muscles have to squeeze your Crystalline Lenses to increase their PLUS power. Fully Relaxed your Crystalline Lenses have about +16 diopters, but the Ciliary Muscles can squeeze the Crystalline Lenses and increase their PLUS power by about +2.50 to enable you to focus at about 16 inches or 40 cm. The younger you are, the easier it is to increase the PLUS power of your Crystalline Lenses. If you focus close for long enough, your Ciliary Muscles will have trouble fully relaxing and you will have Pseudo or False Myopia. It is considered to be Temporary, but temporary can be a long time if you maintain close focus or OVER CORRECTION.

It it believed that close focusing may cause the production of a specific Eyeball Growth Hormone (EGH) by the Retiaa. However, that hormone has not be isolated or identified.

In your situation you are trying to initially Induce some Pseudo Myopia and hope it is not too late for some additions Axial Myopia to develop. It does take time. It took 2 years for the -5.00 individual to be able to wear the -20 glasses.

You asked about strabismus or more specifically Esophoria. It is actually easier than Inducing Myopia. Your eye positions are controlled by a very sophisticated Eye Position Control System (My Name) (EPCS) in your brain. The EPCS appears to be very easy to train or program and get to the point where you Need prism to be able to fuse the two images from your eyes. Most ECPs are very reluctant to prescribe prism unless there are problems with Double Vision, or Convergence Issues. If a person is already wearing prism correction and is having trouble with double vision (pretty common), that is a different story.

The need for Base Out prism is often related to Convergence issues. I suspect your 24 YO Brother's need for prism is related to his Myopia because he developed Myopia when he was very young and held things very close to be able to focus. That action trained his eyes to converge and he needs quite a bit of BO prism to be able to fuse images. I suspect that your siblings who do not need prism had their Myopia caught early enough that they either had muscle surgery or started wearing glasses early enough to be able to fuse distant object without prism.

BTW, I you are new to ES, you need to know that I am NOT and Eye Care Professional. I am 80 and became interested in vision and optics because I was getting unsatisfactory answers from my ECP about my own eye problems. I am an amateur in the original sense of the word as one who studies a subject because of love of knowledge. My background is Electronic Engineering and Computer. I also have double vision issues and wear BO prism to keep from seeing double.

Enough for now. Hope this helps a little.

I would like to ask more questions about your family, but would prefer to do it at cactusjack1928@hotmail.com

C.


Weirdeyes 24 Feb 2018, 15:32

Is it possible to get rid of CI/exophoria by wearing base out glasses sometimes?


WantMyos 24 Feb 2018, 15:03

Cactus Jack,

I just ordered the first two pairs!!!

How much myopia do you think I can induce? Being in double digits alone would be great. Myos would definitely be better, but I will take what I can get. How would I induce more strabismus? What is defined as really needs prisms? By the way I decides to go with the outward base to add to the outter thickness, and that is what my siblings have.

I live in America.

I found all of my siblings current prescriptions. Here they are in order of oldest to youngest:

Brother 24 years old:

OD: -18, -2.25, 130, 26, out

OS: -18.5, -2.5, 100, 26, out

Brother 22 years old:

OD: -24.75, -3, 60

OS: -25, -2.25, 110

Brother 22 years old:

OD: -24.5, -2.75, 110

OS: -23.5, -2.75, 5

Brother 19 years old:(we are not twins)

OD: -32.25,-3.75, 150

OS: -33.5, -3.5, 140

Sister 14 years old:

OD: -12.5, -4, 120, 17, out

OS: -9.75, -4.75, 170, 17, out

Brother 14 years old:

OD: -15, -3.5, 95

OS: -14.75, -3.75, 5

As you can see I am the odd one out in my family in terms of glasses. Even though I now, finally have some, all my siblings have me beat by a long shot in terms of prescription.


Cactus Jack 24 Feb 2018, 13:21

WantMyos,

It is very unlikely that you will be able to induce enough Myopia to require Myodisc glasses at your age. That will require GOC.

If you want to try to Induce some additional Myopia, I suggest ordering some glasses with the same or very similar frame as your existing glassse ,from an online retailer such as Zenni. If you want to try some prism, consider the prism correction

I suggest two pair

First pair:

OD (Right Eye) Sphere -1.50, Cylinder -0.50, Axis 110, Prism 5 BO

OS (Left Eye) Sphere -1.75, Prism 5 BO

Second pair:

OD (Right Eye) Sphere -2.50, Cylinder -0.50, Axis 110, Prism 5 BO

OS (Left Eye) Sphere -2.75, Prism 5 BO

You will need your PD to order. It is easy to measure if you don't have it.

You need to start by wearing the First pair until they are comfortable and switch to the Second pair as soon as you can. When you start wearing the Second pair, order a Third pair.

OD (Right Eye) Sphere -3.50, Cylinder -0.50, Axis 110, Prism 5 BO

OS (Left Eye) Sphere -3.75, Prism 5 BO

I don't believe Zenni offers Prism above 5.

At some point you will need to consider an eye exam, but there are a few cautions and tips.

I suggest reading "How to Study for an Eye Exam". I have posted it here and on Vision and Spex several times. Let me know if you can't find it.

One thing to remember about Inducing Strabismus. It is actually easier than Inducing Myopia, but it is often difficult to find and ECP that will fit first prisms unless the need it very obvious.

May I ask where you live (country) and If you have any idea of your siblings prescriptions?

If you want to discuss any of this privately, contact me at:

cacusjack1928@hotmail.com

C.


WantMyos 24 Feb 2018, 12:54

Hi,

I am nearsighted, but not that much. I finally got glasses about a year and a half ago. It was great, but they are not thick, and I really want thick glasses and/or myos. I want to have blurry vision. I think it is super cool. I have read a little about inducing myopia, but thought I would seek guidance here. Here is some information I think would be helpful in helping me:

I am 19 years old

Myopia does run in my family, most of my family is very nearsighted.

My current prescription is: -0.5, -0.5, 110 and -0.75.

Like I said earlier, I have had glasses for about a year and a half. My first prescription was -0.5, 100 and -0.5. I just got my new glasses this week.

I am a female

I also have another question. Is there any way to make your eyes permanently crossed? Two of my siblings are crosseyed, and I would love to be crosseyed too.


denden 24 Feb 2018, 12:01

Soundmanpt,

My actual prescription glasses are currently at an optician. I managed to convince one to fit them with stronger lenses without a prescription but that means I don't have access to any glasses at the moment. I live in a central location so I don't need to drive; the supermarket is only 10 minutes from my place.

I was wearing plus contacts in high school to simulate nearsightedness. They were +1.25.


Soundmanpt 24 Feb 2018, 11:35

denden

So it was kind of an emergency that you had to go to the supermarket after you had already removed your contacts to go to bed. So putting them back on can take a bit of time and i'm sure you were in a rush. How come you didn't wear your actual prescription glasses to the supermarket? Did you drive to the supermarket? If your eyesight wasn't any better than around -1.25 / -.75 things had to be rather blurry for you. If your eyesight seems to be holding at no better than -1.25 / -.75 you now need to be wearing either glasses or contacts anytime you drive now. No more driving without correction. I'm sure that if you your new glasses were here you would have probably put your glasses on go to the market. I'm not sure if focusing your eyes helped or not. I think your eyes need actual lenses in front of them to actually work. I'm hoping once your glasses arrive you won't have any reason to be without either your contacts or glasses constantly.

You're paying extra for contacts that are made to worn constantly so there shouldn't be any reason why you can't wear them to sleep in. But once you have your glasses you should clean your contacts every other day or so. Wear your glasses while their being cleaned. By the way why were you wearing plus contacts in high school? I assume that you got them from a friend that wore contacts and she gave you a few to wear? Do you recall what prescription they were? Were your eyes able to adjust to them or was things rather blurry wearing them?


denden 24 Feb 2018, 10:59

Soundmanpt,

Also, that night without contacts, I was focusing my eyes as if I was wearing overcorrection. I only relaxed them for a few seconds because I was curious what my vision was like without any correction. If, for whatever reason, I am unable to wear my glasses or contacts in a situation, can I compensate by focusing my eyes to simulate myopic vision instead? It still puts my ciliary muscles to work.


denden 24 Feb 2018, 10:56

Soundmanpt,

Thank you for sharing the story. Last night I did that because I had removed my contacts earlier to go to sleep and later, due to unforeseen circumstances, I had to wake up and go to the supermarket. When my Acuvue Oasys contacts arrive I am considering to wear them overnight. I did this in high school with plus contacts because I was hiding my contacts from my parents, and it was fine. I will take them out just before I shower and put them back on immediately after. This way my eyes will always be overcorrected.


Soundmanpt 24 Feb 2018, 10:18

denden

Glad to hear that you included your CYL in the glasses you have on order. Once you get them it will be interesting to see if that clears things up for you. I think it will. Like i said added extra SPH helps a bit but as far as I know it won't ever give you the same clear vision as having the CYL included in your prescription. Based on what you have said about your vision wearing -2.75 / -2.25 contacts full time your eyes seem to have fully adjusted to them just fine. So yes I think your eyes are ready for stronger contacts now. Increasing by -.75 in both eyes is a safe increase to go to.

Just curious, why did you go to the supermarket without wearing your contacts? I hate to keep driving the point of how important it is to be constantly having your eyes looking through as much over correction as your eyes can tolerate. Going without either over correcting glasses or contacts is a bit of a setback because you allow your eyes to attempt to readjust to their natural prescription. You're 23 so you're likely nearing the point where your eyes could be starting to become stable. Once they get to that point you won't be able to cause in change in your eyesight no matter how hard you try. So your window of opportunity is slowly going to be closing soon. That said you should at least be happy that wearing over correction seems to be effecting your eyes the way you're hoping. I'm certain that you can tell if things are more blurry now then they were last month before you started wearing over correction.

I think that both you and MROP should be able to get to your goals. MROP is wanting her eyes to get to around -2.00 and you're only wanting to get to around -1.50 as your actual prescription. Both numbers are very reasonable.

In regards to your question about any personal success stories I have several but the one I found most interesting was a young lady that had recently been hired at a local sports bar I often go to. She was only 18 and just out of high school. I have been with a non profit vision group for many years. So because of that I also have a rather nice sample collection of glasses, mostly women's because i worked mainly with women and the women in our group worked mainly with men. All of my samples have some type of weak prescription in them of -.50 -.75 and -1.00. I use them as test glasses. Anyway because I have around 75 samples I found several years ago that i could also help other people get glasses at a cheap price. I soon found out that many of the young ladies working in the restaurant business don't have health insurance so that also means they don't have vision insurance either. I was shocked at how many told me that they knew they needed to be wearing glases but they couldn't afford the cost of and eye exam and even worse the cost of glasses. So they did without or the were wearing glasses that a friend gave them. I quickly found a local optical store that was willing to do eye exams for $35.00. Within several weeks a number of them took advantage of my offer and got their eyes examined and had me order their glasses for them. Total cost was only $50.00 to $55.00. So from then on whenever a new girl was hired the other girls would introduce her to me and they always added in that if she needed glasses I was the person they needed to talk to. Shannon was this new girls name. She told me that she was wearing contacts and that she really did need new glasses. We arranged meeting a few days later before she started her shift at work so she could look through my samples and pick something out. She ddin't want to go back to where she got her eyes examined at to ask for a copy of her glasses prescription and insisted that if I got her glasses the same as her contact prescription she would be fine. She said that her contacts were -1.75 for both eyes. As she was going through and trying on nearly every sample pair I had she soon realized that my samples had prescription in them. After she picked out the glasses she wanted she said that she could see better when she was looking through my sample glasses than she could with just her contacts. I asked knew which glasses had which prescriptions in them so I picked out one of each, a -.50 a -.75 and a -1.00 pair and asked her which one she could see the best wearing? She went back and forth a bit before finally saying the -.75 seemed to be perfect. So I ordered her glasses with what she wanted -2.50 lenses. After her glasses came in she was soon only wearing her glasses and not her contacts. I commented one night to her that I thought she looked really good wearing glasses but I was surprised that she wasn't wearing her contacts more often. She only said that she really liked her glasses and that they were very comfortable to wear and that she could see better wearing her glasses than her glasses. I figured it out then that her eyes probably had adjusted to her glasses and now her contacts were too weak for her eyes. After about 6 or 7 months with only seeing her wearing glasses I was surprised to see her not wearing her glasses one evening. I was afraid that she may have broken her glasses so I asked her where her glasses were? She told me that she had her eyes examined and she got new contacts. She said that she also needs to get new glasses if I don't mind meeting with her again so she can pick something out? When we met again she didn't take nearly as long with picking out the glasses she wanted this time. She told me that her new prescription was now -2.75. She said that her doctor was surprised that her eyes had changed so much in less than a year. But said it probably a growth spurt that caused the change. When she was finished she leaned over and asked if I could increase her glasses like I did before? She claimed again that as she was trying on my samples she noticed an improvement in her vision. I smiled at her and said okay but maybe this time only -.50 more? she was okay with that. This time she was a little bit better about switching between wearing her glasses and contacts more equally. She did this several more times before she changed jobs and I only saw her once after that. The last glasses I ordered for her were -4.25. To this day I don't know if she was intentionally inducing myopia or just liked how wearing stronger glasses felt to her eyes.


Antonio 24 Feb 2018, 08:17

Hi denden.

No I haven't induced. My eyes always got bad on their own.

At -3 you would be dependant on glasses nearly all the time for nearly all the things of every day life you do. This starts at above -2.

At -1.5 might be still bearable to be without, but you'll see pretty blurry for far already.

Do please take care.

If you like to chat, please visit us on

https://lenschat.com

Best regards, antonio


denden 24 Feb 2018, 08:06

Antonio,

Did you try to induce more myopia at any point in your life? I see people aiming for some extreme prescriptions here. I personally want to settle somewhere around -1.50 and definitely don't want to go above -3.00. My goal is to be mildly myopic so that I can alternate between nearsighted and corrected vision as I please, not to be dependent on glasses or contacts all the time.


Antonio 24 Feb 2018, 08:03

Hi denden,

I don't think it's of any use for your goal to wear them while sleeping. I guess it's much more healthy to give your eyes a rest from contacts during the night, right.

My eyes tend to get worse on their own over time. I started with -1.5 at 14 and now recently reached -7.5 -0.5 asti. I hope they don't get any worse, but they usually do, perhaps I loose or gain :-) one diopter per decade ?

:-)

Best regards sntonio.


denden 24 Feb 2018, 07:46

Antonio,

I am 23 years old. My target prescription is a minimum of -0.50 increase in both eyes, although ideally I'd like at least -1.50 in both. My current prescription is:

R -0.75 SPH -0.25 CYL 170

L -0.25 SPH -0.50 CYL 170

I omit the CYL in my right eye when ordering glasses because I never had astigmatism in my right eye until my last eye test so I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Currently I am wearing R -2.75 L -2.50 daily contact lenses full-time. I also ordered R -2.00 L -1.50 -0.50 170 glasses to use when, for whatever reason, I can't wear my contacts. After I finish my current pack, I will switch to R -3.50 L 3.25 contacts for 6 weeks. I ordered Acuvue Oasys contacts which have been approved for a week-long overnight wear. Although wearing contacts overnight isn't ideal, it is currently the only sustainable way of being overcorrected 24/7 in my circumstances.

How about you? What are your current and target prescriptions?


Antonio 24 Feb 2018, 07:35

Hi denden,

What prescription do you want to reach ?

What do you wear now?

Best regards, antonio


denden 24 Feb 2018, 05:35

Soundmanpt & Cactus Jack,

You guys have been frequenting this forum for a very long time. I skimmed through the old posts for a bit looking for some success stories. I really need to hear some because, as you can imagine, wearing minus lenses for long enough to induce myopia requires a certain amount of commitment.

I already know about 'GoldenMan' who wanted to evade military service in Iran so he used massively overcorrecting lenses. His story is indeed inspiring, but are there any others who had success with inducing myopia here in Eyescene? Especially those with a similar starting position to mine or MROP's (i.e. in their 20s and with little to no initial myopia).


Soundmanpt 23 Feb 2018, 15:53

MROP

Well your only a few days away from getting your eyes examined . I know that you have really been pushing your eyes very hard trying to induce some myopia. Your eyesight clearly isn't as good as it was back in October. your eyesight has deteriorated some since then for sure. The question is how much? what prescription will you be given for glasses? You admit that your going to need glasses for driving at night now. But I think your under estimating your eyesight. I think that your eyes have just gotten so used to seeing everything with such strong glasses and contacts that when you aren't wearing anything you think what your seeing is nearly perfect vision when in fact it probably isn't as perfect as you think it is. But continue pushing yourself like you have been and in a few says we will both know.


denden 23 Feb 2018, 15:52

Soundmanpt,

Yes I included the CYL in my order of glasses. I am thinking of ordering -3.50/-3.25 for my next set of contacts. Do you think I will tolerate the -0.75 increase well?

Last night I went to the supermarket without wearing any overcorrection. My vision was more blurry than usual, both outside and inside the supermarket. I tried to focus my eyes to see even blurrier (and they've been trained to simulate around -2.50 with contacts so that's a breeze now) but even when I relaxed them, my vision was blurry. I am guessing that I had the equivalent of -1.25 / -0.75 vision last night.


Soundmanpt 23 Feb 2018, 08:57

denden

Most of the on-line sites get your glasses to you within 14 days I have been using Zenni for about 15 years and they seem to get better and faster all the time. Now I get my orders usually within 9 or 10 days. But i'm certain that your glasses will arrive at some point soon. Until then you at least have your contacts to wear and wearing them is just as good as wearing over correcting glasses. Your eyes seem to be fine with being over corrected if you're able to wear your -2.75 / -2.50 contacts all day comfortably enough that you completely forget that your even wearing over correction except for your eyes drying out. I assume that you have drops to help with your dry eyes? Of course your eyes being dry has nothing to do with over correcting. I'm sure the same thing would happen if you were only wearing your actual prescription contacts. So over the past week or so have you been able to do everything you normally do wearing over correction, such as driving a car and going to school or work etc? You have only been over correcting your eyes for a short time. It would seem that if you're already seeing normal with this amount of over correction your eyes are probably ready for another increase either with your contacts or with glasses. You probably need to make the increases in your contacts if you have any fear that your partner might notice a difference in your glasses or your glasses lenses.

When you ordered your glasses did you include your astigmatism correction in them? Increasing SPH helps to compensate for a lack of CYL in your contacts but it doesn't mean your eyesight will be completely perfect. In fact ECP's (eye care professionals) will tell you that your vision won't be as clear doing that but usually acceptable. I look forward to hearing any updates.


denden 22 Feb 2018, 09:54

Soundmanpt,

My glasses are still being prepared. I've been checking their status every day and it hasn't changed for 5 days now. Wearing my contacts full-time, I became very comfortable with the overcorrection. I genuinely forget that I'm wearing overcorrection nowadays, but the contacts themselves become dry towards the end of the day.

When I take out my contacts, I try to maintain the blur as long as possible. I can do that for around 5-10 minutes but then my eyes relax. Not sure if this is Pseudo Myopia, since I still need to actively try not to relax my eyes after taking out the contacts.

I can't wait to supplement my contacts with my new glasses once they arrive. They aren't as strong as my contacts but it's certainly better to wear some overcorrection than none at all if I have to take out my contacts in the evening.

One thing I noticed is that my left eye struggles more with the overcorrection at times. Both the distance and near vision in my left eye is compromised compared to my right eye which sees crystal clear with the contacts. This is likely due to the -0.50 CYL in my left eye. Listening to my optometrist, I added -0.25 SPH in my left eye contacts to combat the CYL, but not sure if this actually did the trick. Should I order my next set of contacts with the additional SPH for astigmatism? (To make it clear, I use R -2.75 and L -2.50 at the moment, and if I decided to omit the additional SPH for astigmatism, my contacts would be R -2.75 and L -2.25).


Soundmanpt 21 Feb 2018, 18:09

denden

Are you still waiting for your glasses to arrive? Many of the on line sites will send you an e-mail indicating that your glasses have shipped. Have you received that yet? Anyway I assume that your wearing your contacts on a full time daily basis. How are you doing with that? I mean how are you seeing wearing them? By now your eyes should be pretty well adjusted to them and you should be seeing everything nice and clearly.


Antonio 18 Feb 2018, 13:57

Wow MROP. Interesting sleep and awakening :-)

Have you already tried to read the board bareeyed at uni above your glasses ?

Still possible ? :-)

Best regards, antonio


EyeTri 17 Feb 2018, 12:17

MROP,

If the frame of the glasses you slept in is a quality frame, fits well and is in good condition I wouldn't worry about sleeping in them.

I have a life-long habit of reading in bed before going to sleep. Probably 3 or 4 nights each week I fall asleep with my glasses on and wake up 6 or 7 hours later with my glasses still on. This has been true for the last 7 or 8 years. At first I was a little concerned, but it has never hurt me or the glasses.

I don't think sleeping in those glasses will do much towards helping you reach your goal, but I wouldn't worry much about doing it either.


Soundmanpt 17 Feb 2018, 08:45

MROP

I had to go back to find your first comments in here because I remember you first came in under a different name. "Molly Roger" So I am going to assume your name is Molly? Anyway Molly I know that you're trying everything possible to induce myopia and that your hoping to be prescribed with your first ever prescription for glasses on Feb 28th. And I have preached to you numerous times the importance of wearing your glasses / contacts constantly to get the results you're wanting. But you only need to wear over correction when your eyes are open. There is no point in wearing your glasses to bed because your room should be quite dark so your eyes shouldn't be able to focus on anything anyway with or without your glasses. Sleeping with your glasses could easily result in your glasses getting broke. But worse yet the frame could break and cut your face or even worse cut your eye. You want to be nearsighted not blind in one eye. If your wearing over correction for 16 or more hours a day that should be more than enough to change your eyesight.


denden 17 Feb 2018, 08:17

MROP,

Whoa! Not sure how safe that is tho tbh. Perhaps you could get night & day contacts that can be worn to bed? Even that isn't ideal but it should be fine as long as you take them off once in a while. In high school when I was simulating myopia with plus contacts, I left them in sometimes because I wanted to see what it is like to wake up nearsighted. It was really nice and I didn't have problems apart from having to use refreshing eyedrops once a day.


MROP 17 Feb 2018, 03:55

Denden/Soundmanpt,

So last night I tried something new and it worked well. I got my -3.50 glasses that I no longer wear, and wore them to bed. I slept in them. I did this as I wake up a lot in the night and without correction, worried itíll have an adverse affect on what Iím trying to do. Anyway this worked perfectly. It wasnít uncomfortable and when i did wake up, I was looking through some -3.50 lenses! It gave me a bit of a thrill to be honest!


Cactus Jack 16 Feb 2018, 08:53

Here are two paragraphs from "How to Study for an Eye Exam" that you might find helpful to prevent the situation MROP described below.

When examiner has completed checking both eyes, he/she will open the shutters and you will likely see two separate images. This is intentional. This part of the exam is to check your muscle balance using some prisms that can separate the images both Horizontally and Vertically. ECP will probably ask you to tell him when the two images are aligned Horizontally and then Vertically.

While the images are separated, YOU have a very important check to make. Compare the sharpness of the two images. If they are not equally sharp, be sure and tell the ECP which image is clearer. If there is a difference, the examiner will likely reduce the sharpness of the clearest image until they match. The important thing at this point is that they match. That lack of sharpness will be corrected in the next phase with both eyes working together.

You might find "How to Study . . . " helpful on your next eye exam.

C.


MROP 16 Feb 2018, 04:30

Denden,

Oh okay! Iíll answer Red then! Iím going to be fairly honest but with things like that Iím going to try and change it a little. In my last exam I remember the optometrist doing the duochrome test with both eyes.

Im excited to go through my eye test and hopefully get a real prescription at the end. Iím sure theyíll tell me to wear glasses just for driving at night but the goal is to eventually be told that Iíd benefit from constant wear, so Iím going to keep going until hopefully that point!

Iím browsing for my -6.00 glasses that I want to buy as we speak, exciting!


denden 16 Feb 2018, 02:58

One side effect of my overcorrection is that I make many more spelling mistakes when typing! I'm normally known as a grammar nazi so this is all new to me.


denden 16 Feb 2018, 02:57

MROP,

You have a very impression accommodation (and dedication!). To be fair I initially thought I couldn't handle any overcorrection but I'm fine with my current one, although I'm already experiencing problems with near vision and fatigue. It doesn't help that nowadays I'm having a fibromyalgia flare up which leaves me unable to focus.

In the duochrome test, the optometrist will ask you to compare the clarity of the letters on the green and the red side. If the letters of the green side are clearer +0.25 D sphere is added and if the letters on the red side are clearer -0.25 D sphere is added. With optimal spherical correction, the letters on the red and green halves of the chart appear equally clear.

Therefore, if you want the doctor to add more minus than you need, you need to say that 'the red is clearer' even if they appear equally clear. Also, optometrists in the UK are trained to ask "does this lens make things clearer, or just a bit darker?" when you appear unsure. Saying the lens makes it clearer even though it's merely making the letters darker is another way to trick your optometrist to overcorrect you.

One risk with this strategy is that your optometrist may only apply these tests on one eye, so you will end up with one overcorrected and one properly (or under) corrected eye. In my first year of uni, I took a free eye test in Specsavers and I tried to implement this tactic. I ended up with a R -0.75 SPH L -0.75 SPH -0.25 CYL 170 prescription. As it turned out, my strategy only worked with my left eye, whereas my right eye was properly corrected. Knowing very well that my right eye is worse than my left eye, I ignored this prescription.

If you want your progress to be measured appropriately with this eye test, then I'd suggest answering everything truthfully without second guessing yourself. However, if your primary concern is having a prescription to show your friends/family to prove that you need glasses, then try to make the optometrist add more minus.


MROP 16 Feb 2018, 00:22

Denden.

Hey!

Iím coping okay with my -6.00 lenses. Iíd say this is the first prescription that my eyes are taking time to get used to. My phone is about 6 inches from my face to read super clearly however Iím holding it closer than this as I can just make out words, and want to push my eyes as much as possible.

Iím completely comfortable with me -5.00 glasses do I guess thatís my limit when it comes to complete accommodation however itís getting better everyday, so my eyes are getting used to -6.00. Im trying to squint as much as possible even when wearing my contacts or glasses and Iím limiting how much I look in the distance when I donít need to!

Iím hoping my eye exam will be fine. Iím not sure how to answer some questions. I know with red and green I say that green is clearer, yes?


Soundmanpt 15 Feb 2018, 12:46

denden

Okay I was wondering if her knew that you wear contacts. Otherwise he could easily see the contacts in your eyes when he is close to you. An of course he has no way of knowing how strong your contacts are. So when your glasses arrive he is likely going to want to try your glasses on the first time he sees you wearing them. You should probably even warn him that they are a little stronger than your previous glasses. Simply tell him that your eyes got worse so you needed stronger glasses. Then you can either wear just your contacts or just your glasses or when your eyes are ready your glasses and contacts together.

Great that he likes how you look wearing glasses. So that should make it very easy for you to wear your glasses full time as well.


Soundmanpt 15 Feb 2018, 12:32

MROP

I have been wondering about you. No doubt the Christmas break was a bit of a setback for you because you really weren't able to do continuous wear which is critical. I think, or at least hope, that you will get a little stronger prescription than -.50 for driving at night. Remember after wearing -6.00 between glasses and contacts when you you're not wearing anything your eyes probably feel like they are seeing perfect when their really not. You could actually be closer to -1.00 or -1.25 even. But even if you somehow only get prescribed -.50 that's better than what you were a few months ago. Back then you could drive night or day perfectly without glasses. So no matter the outcome you should continues wearing over correction for a while longer.

Your eyes are sure to feel tired and fatigued after wearing so much over correction. But the strain is a good thing and means that your eyes are working hard to focus which can lead the blur you get. Getting booked late in the day is great and should give you plenty of til=me to read all whole day before you get your eyes examined. So yes good idea.


denden 15 Feb 2018, 12:02

MROP,

Great to hear from you again! I am eagerly waiting for your eye tests results as I am curious to see how successful omeone in their 20s can be with this. I'm sure that your efforts will pay off and you will get at least -0.50/-0.75. Before you go, I recommend that you research how doctors try to determine whether their patients are overcorrected, so that you can circumvent these (such as the duochrome test).

How are you coping with your -6.00 lenses? I'm wearing -2.50 / -2.75 lenses atm which overcorrect me by -2.00. I'm okay with them most of the time but today I was sleep deprived and lost focus a new times. I also struggled a lot when plucking my partner's eyebrows lol almost reached for some reading glasses if only I had any.


denden 15 Feb 2018, 11:55

Soundmanpt,

I told him that I went for an eye test to get contacts and that's why I've been wearing them recently. I didn't make a reference to any changes in my prescription.

He says even my current glasses give him a headache and he isn't too eager to try them on. He used to put them on randomly to take selfies but I think he lost interest now. Once he tested out how he sees with each individual eye and turned out that the left lens made a tiny improvement while the right lens made things smaller and harder to focus on. This is in line with his recent eye test results which were R 0 L -0.25 (the optometrist sent him off saying he had one of the best visions he even encountered lol).

I've already been wearing my glasses a lot around him and he says that they suit me. He even encourages me to wear them more because he doesn't want me to be deprived of the perfect vision he has unaided.


MROP 15 Feb 2018, 11:50

Mean im now wearing my -6.00 contacts, not Iím not wearing them.


MROP 15 Feb 2018, 11:49

Soundmanpt,

Hi, just thought Iíd update you. My eye exam is booked for 28th February so just under 2 weeks to go. Whilst Iím sure Iíll get prescribed -.50 glasses for nighttime driving (which is still an issue for me, Iím pretty sure Iíll always need glasses for driving at night now) the over Christmas period where I had to go without any overcorrection has meant that my eyesight in general during the day is barely different. I notice that things get more blurry when ai get tired and that my eyes are feeling strained looking in the distance, so Iím wondering if theyíre trying hard to accommodate and give up when Iím more fatigued, hence the blur then.

Iím not wearing -6.00 contacts regularly, and am ordering some glasses of ge same strength next week. In the meantime whilst I want to wear my glasses, I am wearing my -3.50 glasses over my -3.00 contacts. I also have a pair of -5.00 glasses that I wear on my own as Iím not a fan of the style enough to wear around friends.

Iím hoping that continuous wear of these contacts and or contacts/glasses combination will result in at least a little worsening of my eyesight before the exam. Iíve booked it for late in the day and am free all day before so plan to spend all day doing some intense reading with as much overcorrection as possible. Iím going to wear my contacts up until I leave for the exam, and then my glasses until I walk through the door. Good idea?


Soundmanpt 15 Feb 2018, 10:07

denden

Okay now it makes more sense to me. If he has at tone time or another and actually wore your glasses for a short period of time which since your prescription is rather weak i'm sure he was able to see pretty well with your glasses on. And without a doubt when you get stronger glasses he is sure to want to try them on. Even though he has little interest in optics he is still going to notice the that your new glasses are a good bit stronger. I assume that you haven't shared with him any of your recent eye exam results? So You should tell him that you went for an eye exam and your eyesight has deteriorated a good bit and your new glasses are going to be stronger than your previous glasses. That will also provide you with why you're going to be wearing glasses much more often as well. You're probably right he is going to want to try your glasses when he sees them. But once he realizes that they are too strong for him to see anything wearing them he will return them to you rather quickly and not want to try them again. If you only ordered -2.00 / -1.50 -.50 170 glasses that's weaker then the contacts your eyes seem to have already adjusted to quite well. Are you planning on wearing contacts along with your glasses to increase the power a bit more. If you have an idea what prescription you want for your next glasses you shouldn't hold off with ordering them if you want to get the same frame so your partner won't notice any change. Many on-line sites sell surplus and over stock frames so their inventory is often limited.

Even though your partner doesn't have any interest in optics, is he going to be okay with you wearing glasses full time?


denden 14 Feb 2018, 16:44

Soundmanpt,

The only pair of glasses that I own are with my true prescription. Until now I have been overcorrecting with contacts only, and thankfully it never occurred to my partner that my contacts have a much higher prescription. I can easily get away with wearing my overcorrecting contacts around him but glasses will be more difficult.

I just ordered R -2.00 SPH / L -1.50 SPH -0.50 CYL 170 glasses from selectspecs.com. This is not a dramatic jump so I don't think he will notice it that much even if he tries them on. He lacks an interest in optics so I don't think he will ask to try them more than once. That way, I can get away with getting even stronger glasses within the same frames after some time passes.

I never considered coming clean to him and I don't think he would take it well. He'd probably think I'm crazy.


Soundmanpt 14 Feb 2018, 15:52

denden

Everything you have been told by your optometrist is true. Also, it's fairly common for astigmatisms to fluctuate from one exam to the next and it is very difficult for your optometrists to get it perfect as well. So i would say all of your recent eye exams have been dead on. I'm not at all surprised that with your -.75 / -.50 contacts your vision is 20/15. Their are 2 reasons that it's so good. First because contacts are sitting directly on your corneas compared to your glasses that sit about 3/4" in front of your eyes. It;s only a alight difference but enough to make a slight difference. Also going up -.25 in SPH in your left eye is sure to make a slight difference as well. Now even though you're able to see the 20/15 line on the eye chart your vision might still be a little bit fuzzy compared to your glasses. I agree your CYL is likely closer to being -.50 than -.25. If it was closer to -.25 I think your doctor would have simply ignored your CYL in that eye. Most doctors if your CYL is -.50 will take half of that value and add it to your SPH.

I'm sure that your partner even though he doesn't know anything about optics can easily tell the difference between your prescribed glasses and your -2.75 / -2.25 glasses. How have you managed so far with him not catching you wearing stronger glasses? Trying to induce when you're with someone and you don't want to tell or for them to find out what you're up to is very difficult. Have you considered just telling him the truth that you think your glasses look too weak and you really want your glasses to look like their strong enough to be worn all the time.


denden 14 Feb 2018, 10:29

Soundmanpt,

To be clear, this is my current glasses prescription (obtained in December 2016):

R -0.75 SPH

L -0.25 SPH -0.25 CYL 180 Ax

A recent (January 2018) eye test gave the following result but I decided to ignore it because it doesn't make much sense to me:

R -0.75 SPH -0.25 CYL 170 Ax

L -0.25 SPH -0.50 CYL 170 Ax

I told my optometrist that I wanted to wear contact lenses sometimes, and he said that my contacts prescription is:

R -0.75 SPH

L -0.50 SPH

When I went for a check up last week, I had 20/15 vision with these contacts on.


denden 14 Feb 2018, 10:14

Soundmanpt,

I can't find frames identical to my current ones online so I'll have to order a different one. I'm lucky in that my partner doesn't have a good understanding of refractive errors, for example he doesn't understand what -2.75 means. However, I think he is able to tell the jump from -0.75/-0.25 glasses to -2.75/-2.25 if he puts them on himself. With my current glasses he sees well but they give him a headache if he keeps them on for long (he is R Plano L -0.25).

My astigmatism diagnosis fluctuates between -0.50 and -0.25 in each eye test. The axis is more or less consistent. I keep the CYL at -0.25 to err on the side of caution but I think it is more likely -0.50 as that is what I always get from the autorefractor. I never bothered with toric lenses as they don't cater for CYL below -0.75 anyway. My optometrist said that the astigmatism in my left eye can be catered for my adding an extra -0.25 SPH. Do you know why that works?


Soundmanpt 14 Feb 2018, 09:25

denden

It's very normal if you're going to have any problem wearing over correction it wouldn't the distance that will bother you but your close up eyesight will notice it more. So at first things like reading plucking your eyebrows and applying eye makeup will be more difficult but the more you wear the over correction the more your eyes will adjust for close up things. The only way you could get away with wearing stronger glasses would be to order the exact same frame as your as your -2.75 / -2.50 glasses. Your partner has by now already tried on your current glasses so he /she shouldn't have any reason to want to try your glasses on again if they appear to be the same.

By the way if you decide to order contacts it would be abetter idea to only get your contacts with SPH and no CYL. You should always get CYL put into your glasses because it doesn't cost extra in your glasses. Your CYL is so low you should be able to ignore it anyway. The extra strength of your glasses should more than compensate for the lack of such a small amount of CYL.


denden 14 Feb 2018, 07:22

Cactus Jack & Soundmanpt,

I am wearing my overcorrection (R -2.75 L -2.50) from my morning shower to just before bed. I am very comfortable with them in the daily course of life except when I need to do some grooming (such as plucking eyebrows or applying eye makeup). I will continue this routine until my current supply runs out and then I am considering to order R -3.50 L -3.25 night & day contacts as well as glasses with R -2.00 SPH L -1.50 SPH -0.25 CYL 180 Ax lenses. Although I would love to order stronger glasses, it would be difficult to explain to my partner why my new glasses appear to be much stronger than my old ones when he (inevitably) tries them on.

Last Sunday I took a break from contacts because my eyes felt dry. I wore my -0.75 /-0.25 glasses full-time instead. During the day my vision was perfectly fine with them, although not as crisp as my overcorrected vision. At night, I was seeing halos around lights even with my glasses on and some street signs were not legible. It's great to see some Pseudo Myopia kick in already!


Cactus Jack 13 Feb 2018, 20:06

denden,

Keep wearing over correction and increase it a little. That should work until you are in your 40s.

C.


denden 13 Feb 2018, 15:32

Cactus Jack,

Let's say I add -0.75 Pseudo Myopia to my prescription by wearing overcorrection for so long. What can I do to make sure it stays that way?


Cactus Jack 13 Feb 2018, 12:32

denden,

I don't think a "Myopia Gene" has ever been identified there could be several involved.

I know of several families where the children are Myopic or Hyperopic and the parents are neither. The study of trait inheritance by Gregor Mendel is interesting. His pioneering work is what we now call Genetics and is the foundation of the science.

Lots of people who have had Myopia or Hyperopia for many years discover in later life that not all of it is Axial in nature and some of it is either Pseudo Myopia or Latent Hyperopia.

Don't discount the value of Pseudo Myopia in needing significant MINUS in corrective lenses. It is still Myopia and your distance vision is still blurry without your glasses. You have to be patient.

C.


denden 13 Feb 2018, 09:58

Cactus Jack,

Thank you for your explanation. Genetically it is good news that the Myopia gene is likely to be recessive. As I said before, my parents are a mere -0.50 but there are many prescriptions over -3.00 on my paternal side. Almost all my paternal uncles and aunts are nearsighted, and many of my cousins as well. On my maternal side, it's doesn't look as good. Having tried on their distance glasses, my maternal grandma and aunt seem to have Hyperopia and Astigmatism. Although they don't seem to understand refractive errors that well, they complain that their distance vision deteriorated due to age (which makes me think they are lifetime Hyperopes who never got diagnosed until Presbyopia kicked in).

I actually used a DNA kit recently so I might find out for sure if I have the myopia gene (not sure if they test for that tho, I know they test for macular degeneration which I would NOT like to have).

It is true that I would prefer knowing if I have any chance of inducing any Axial Myopia so that I don't waste my time and effort with overcorrecting minus lenses. I know that you can't guarantee that for me, so I am willing to take the risk for 6 months. If I see no progression whatsoever, then I will go back to wearing my true prescription.

I suspect even my 'true' prescription may be -0.25 more than what I actually need. The autorefractor typically gives out R -0.50 SPH L -0.50 CYL 180 on my eyes, and when the optometrist asks "Are the letters clearer with this lens, or just a bit darker?" I know that is code for "Is this more minus than you need?" so I tend to answer with "the letters are clearer". Also with the red-green test I try to answer the way that would make the optometrist add extra minus. That said, next time I go for an eye test to measure my progress, I will refrain from answering in ways that will prompt the optometrist to overcorrect me, not matter how tempting that is.


Cactus Jack 13 Feb 2018, 08:03

denden,

The biggest difference between becoming more Myopic "naturally" and Inducing Myopia is the time period over which it happens. Natural Myopia occurs over many years often starting in childhood and continuing into the mid 20s. There is often a genetic component to Axial Myopia which MAY be triggered/encouraged by focusing close.

Most babies are born with Hyperopia because their eyeballs are small to dit in their eyesocktets. Fortunately, they are usually equipped with very flexible Crystalline Lenses that have a very large accommodation range. It takes about a month for a baby to learn how to use their Ciliary Muscles to squeeze their Crystalline Lenses to focus close with little apparent effort. That is why you see young children happily coloring with their eyes very close to the page. It may be very beneficial in vision development.

Some years ago there was some research done at Johns Hopkins University into the cause of failure of some peoples eyeballs to grow normally. They are very Hyperopic. It is believed that there is a specific Eyeball Growth Hormone produced by the Retina, but it has not, to my knowledge been isolated or identified.

There was some research many years ago where baby chicks were fitted with minus glasses. They grew into adulthood being Myopic and requiring minus glasses to have normal distance vision.

There are instances where children are born very Myopic to parent who are not themselves Myopic. If you look into their family history of Myopia, you find that there are grandparents or aunts or uncles who are Myopic. This is beyond my pay grade, but it appears that extreme eyeball growth may be controlled by a recessive gene. If both parents carry a recessive gene, it can become active and some of their children may be extremely Myopic at a very young age, sometimes dangerously so.

People who want to induce Myopia typically want it to occur over a period of weeks or months. If you do not have significant Presbyopia, you can Induce Pseudo Myopia almost instantly by wearing glasses or contacts that have more MINUS than you actually need. What happens is that your Auto-Focus mechanism in your eyes (Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses) will add enough PLUS to compensate fo the excess MINUS. The problem is that when you take off the glasses or contacts with the excess MINUS, your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses will quickly relax back to minimum PLUS power. It is no different than reading something at 30 cm and then looking at a distant scene. Your eye change focus almost instantly.

However, if you wear significant over correction for an extended period, your Ciliary Muscles will have difficulty relaxing. If you do that enough and for long enough, when you take your glasses off, distant objects will be blurry until your Ciliary Muscles relax. That can be a surprisingly long time. Until they fully relax, you will, for all intents and purposes, be Myopic.

Pseudo Myopia and Latent Hyperopia are EXACTLY the same phenomenon. If a person is Hyperopic and have corrected their Hyperopia internally for many years, they will often experience what is apparently increasing Hyperopia. when they start wearing PLUS glasses. What is happening is that the PLUS glasses are supplying some of the focusing power they need, externally, and their Ciliary Muscles will begin to slowly relax. As they happens, sometimes over a period of months, they will need more and more PLUSin their glasses until their Ciliary Muscles completely relax. At that point their vision will stabilize and they will probably not need much increase.

Pseudo Myopia can happen naturally over many years of eye exams where a person choses stronger MINUS in their glasses at each exam. Around age 40 when Presbyopia starts sneaking up on them, they will often experience a reduction in their MINUS prescription and their Pseudo Myopia. If there is underlying Axial Myopia, it will not change very much, if at all.

I would urge you to do some detailed research on vision and how it develops to understand this better. It takes a while to get your mind around how this works, but he math is pretty easy. I believe you have fundamentally asked the same question repeatedly, hoping for a different answer that you want to hear. It is a common technique used in the courtroom. In this case, we are dealing with the laws of Optics and Physics which have been in existence since the Big Bang and applied to life for quite some time. There have been requests for changes to those laws, but so far there has been no response.

C.


denden 12 Feb 2018, 13:30

Soundmanpt,

So what is the difference between becoming myopic naturally vs inducing it? I thought the logic behind overcorrecting was to force the eye to use the ciliary muscles more, even when looking at the distance.


Soundmanpt 12 Feb 2018, 10:49

denden

Yes theirs a big difference in becoming myopic naturally and inducing it. Wearing over correction for 8 hours your eyes do of course adjust to the power of your glasses. But if you take the glasses off and go back to wearing your normal prescription glasses or no glasses at all your eyes refocus back to their normal state after a few minutes time. You want your eyes to constantly only be seeing through stronger lenses. It's the constant over correction that is changing your eyes.


denden 12 Feb 2018, 06:10

Soundmanpt,

Could you explain more why it defeats the purpose if you only wear overcorrection 8 hours per day? People who become myopic naturally don't focus on nearby objects nonstop so surely it is possible to become myopic if your eyes are strained 8 hours per day?


Cactus Jack 11 Feb 2018, 12:37

Michael,

There are two kinds of Myopia, both require correction with - lenses. As Soundmanpt said, you are probably too old to be able to induce any Axial or True Myopia, but you may be a good candidate for inducing Pseudo or False Myopia.

Axial or True Myopia is caused by a mismatch between the Total PLUS power of your eye's lens system and the length of your eyeball. It is considered Permanent. Pseudo Myopia is caused by your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses having trouble relaxing back to minimal Plus power after doing a lot of close work or having compensated for more Minus in corrective lenses than you actually need. Pseudo Myopia is considered to be Temporary, but don't be put off by that term. Temporary can be a long time (years) if you nurture it.

It is very hard, even for Eye Care Professionals (ECPs), to tell if your Myopia is True or False without really extensive testing, but that is not very important, because both need the same type of correction. The first step is, as Soundmanpt suggested, to get some glasses that are a bit stronger than prescribed, with a frame as near as possible to your present frame. The reason for not changing the frame is that most people do not notice the difference in lens power, but they will notice a change in frame. In some ways is it like changing your hair style, or getting new clothes.

Wear the glasses as much as possible, particularly when doing close work. When the stronger glasses get very comfortable, then get some glasses that are say,R -2.00 / L -2.25. In fact you might consider ordering both pair at the same time, with identical frames from an online retailer such as Zenni Optical, so they will be available when you are ready. Then when those get comfortable go to R -3.00 / L -3.25.

It takes time to build up the strength of your Ciliary (focusing) Muscles and get them accustomed to not fully relaxing, but it will probably happen.

There are a few practical things you will need to do, but you need to get started on this as soon as possible. One important thing, is that if you decide to check your progress by getting another eye exam, wear you prescribed glasses If you go to the ECP that did your last Official exam.

One thing to understand is that Vision actually occurs in the brain. Your eyes are just Biological Cameras. Your brain has amazing ability to correct slightly blurry images, IF it knows what something is supposed to look like. In fact, your brain can produce images without any input. Ever had a dream?

When you get glasses, you should wear them full time for 10 days to 2 weeks. It takes that long for your brain to learn that is does not need to expend the effort to correct blurry images. Then is when you will notice that distant signs are blurry without your glasses, particularly at night.

Hope this helps.

C.


Soundmanpt 11 Feb 2018, 11:21

Ginny

Actually I just saw her yesterday in fact. Like I said she only works at the sports bar on Saturdays and even she doesn't know until they post the schedule on Sunday afternoon if she is working the morning shift or the night shift. I happened to be at the bar on Thursday so I asked my server which shift she was working yesterday. She was the only server working and she wasn't busy so she came over and talked to me. I wasn't going to say anything to her about getting her eyes examined. But she right away told me that her bf isn't working because he does landscaping and the weather has been bad so he can't work until the weather gets better. The problem is she has vision insurance and he doesn't. So it was my idea for her to go where I have sent others to get eye exams for only $35.00. but I noticed they have a different doctor working their now and I don't know if they will still do that or not. but it would help if she got her eye exam using her insurance and they might be more willing to do his for the $35.00. I think I might stop in at the optical store anyway and ask if they are still doing the $35.00 eye exams for people without insurance?

She promised t e-mail me and let me know which shift she works next Saturday. I think I will let her borrow the glasses she likes for the following week. That way she can test her eyes by wearing the glasses. Remember they have -.75 lenses in them. And remember she loves how she looks wearing theses glasses.

I know moving isn't much fun. So i'm sure that you have been very busy with doing that. Have you started your new job yet?

When you get stringer lenses in your glasses your eyes really do seem to enjoy the increase don't they? I assume that's why it can be a bit addictive. I'm sure you wouldn't mind getting your glasses changed again in a couple months would you? Sorry I don't think that is going to happen. Your eyes should be fine with your glasses just the way they are for a while now. but you will likely need an increase in about a year or so. Too bad your mom doesn't have a better memory about her glasses history. But at least you know that when she got her first substantial prescription of -2.00 she was the same age as you and your glasses are considerably stronger than her glasses were. Interesting so was she also like you in that before she got prescribed with -2.00 glasses she only had very weak glasses that she wore? That part sounds very much like you. Didn't you say that when her vision became stable her glasses were around -5.00 and she was around 30 years old? So if your eyes don't become stable until your 30 years old even with a small increase of -.50 per year you could easily be wearing around -6.00 to -7.00 glasses by then. Would that be okay with you? That extra -.75 increase in you glasses really seems to have made a difference in your ability to see without your glasses. Before you got this increase you seemed to be able to function pretty well without your glasses. Not perfect of course but good enough. Now you don't seem to be able to do anything without your glasses anymore. I'm not surprised that it's becoming harder for you to read without your glasses. Once anyone starts wearing their glasses full time their ability to read without glasses usually goes away and even more so if you keep your glasses on when reading because your eyes get adjusted to reading with small print with your glasses so it makes sense that after a while your eyes can't focus as well close up. I'm sure your eyes are much more comfortable now that your keeping your glasses on when reading in bed now. So the last thing you do before turning off your light is take off your glasses and put them on the night stand beside your bed and the first thing you do in the morning is put your glasses on. Now your truly a full time glasses wearer. But something tells me that you're loving every minute of it.


Michael 11 Feb 2018, 10:53

What do people here do when they try to induce myopia? Give up all activities that you can't wear glasses for? What about showering?

With regards to my age, how come I have been prescribed by an optician? Is it likely it will get worse on its own?


Soundmanpt 11 Feb 2018, 10:20

Michael

Honestly based on everything you say about your life style I don't think you stand much of a chance of inducing any real myopia. First problem is your age. You're probably about 9 years past an age where it would be possible. Next is as you already know wearing stronger glasses than your prescription calls for. And wearing them constantly. Wearing stronger glasses for 8 hours and then going without for just 30 minutes defeats everything you had done for those 8 hours.

Now if you're just wanting your glasses to be stronger your eyes should be able to tolerate wearing stronger glasses and your eyes should be able to adjust to them okay as well. If your total prescription is R -.25 / L -.50 you might want to go on line to Zenni (zennioptical.com) and order yourself a pair of glasses with R -1.00 / L -1.25.


Michael 11 Feb 2018, 09:38

I have been reading this thread for a while and am interested in making my myopia worse. I am 29 years old and last month I was prescribed my first pair of glasses (R -0.25, L-0.50). I do find my vision is much clearer and sharper with them, but when I take them off I can still see. My left eye struggles a bit sometimes, but my right eye seems fine.

I would like to get to a point initially where things far away like road signs are impossible for me to see without wearing glasses.

From reading this thread I know it's advised to wear a stronger prescription than you need and wear them all day. The only thing is my lifestyle doesn't really allow for that. E.g. I wake up in the morning and shower (without glasses), I can wear my glasses all day at work, but if I want to do sport or anything after work I take them off. I like swimming, which obviously you can't wear glasses for.

Does anyone have any advice on how to get around this?


Cactus Jack 10 Feb 2018, 11:49

denden,

There is no way for me to answer your question. 8.3 probably won't make much difference, but the key is long term wearing comfort. Even with the same BC different brands of CLs can have different levels of comfort.

If your contacts feel uncomfortable after several hours of wear, you need to take them out and let your Corneas rest.

C.


Ginny 10 Feb 2018, 01:11

Soundmanpt,

Sorry for not replying to you earlier. I was super busy getting everything organized to move here!

I really enjoyed your story about the waitress at your sports bar. Have you heard from her since? Is she wearing glasses by know?

Yes, you are absolutley right, gettin stronger glasses is knda addictive. I did asked my mom about her prescriptions. She didn't remember them exactley, but she knows that she was about my age when she got her first substantial prescription, which was about -2. This is a lot weaker than mine, i am closer to -4 than to -2 :). She remembered that her prescription increased quickly but stabilized around the time she turned 30. But unfortunatley, no details, so I have no idea what to expect.

In the meantime, I have really become fully dependant on my glasses. The blur without them is just horrible!! I have noticed that even reading is easier with them on, so I have started wearing them when reading in bed also - something I haven't done before.

I can now see why everybody says close-up work induces myopia. I read every evening for at least 2 hours. Doing this with glasses now, once I take them off i can tell the blur is even worse than before.


denden 08 Feb 2018, 18:16

Cactus Jack,

Based on my past experimentations with soft contact lenses, the higher the BC is the more uncomfortable it feels. If I wore contacts with a BC of 8.3, would that still leave enough space between the contact and my cornea?


Cactus Jack 08 Feb 2018, 14:35

denden,

Contact lenses are designed to float on a film of tears between the CL and your Cornea. The Cornea does not have a blood supply, but gets its oxygen from the air and both oxygen, lubrication, and nutrients from tears. Lenses that fit too tightly do not allow the tear film to form and also do not move around as you blink, which helps the circulate the tears.

Often, when checking the fit of CLs the ECP will use a drop of Fluorescein, an Orange colored dye and check with a weak blue light for the dye between the CL and your Cornea.

Base Curve is a measurement of the curvature of the inside surface of the CL. It needs to be a little greater than the measured curvature of your cornea so tears can get between the CL and your Cornea. Soft contacts are not nearly as critical as hard contacts that have to be custom made.

C.


denden 08 Feb 2018, 08:36

Cactus Jack,

Fair enough. My friend only uses her glassed when looking at her computer and in lectures. Probably doesn't even realise how much her vision is compromised in daily life.

I went to get my contact lens fit checked by my optometrist, wearing my 8.4 BC -0.50 / -0.75 lenses. He told me they seemed to fit really well on my eyes, but I asked him to measure my corneas with a machine just for a peace of mind. The machine gave the number 7.67 for both eyed and he said that makes 8.4 a perfect fit. I want to understand what these numbers may mean and how he concluded from them that 8.4 was my perfect fit. Do you know how it works?


Cactus Jack 07 Feb 2018, 18:39

denden,

Mono vision can be annoying.

Probably, because my eyes did not have to work as a team until I got glasses, I started having some serious headaches when I was in University and doing a lot of study for engineering. I had an acquaintance a bit older than I was, but wore bifocals in classs for being to see the board and his notes easily. I asked a school ECP about bifocals, but he refused to consider them for anyone under 40. After I got out of school I started having trouble with headaches doing some very close work and saw a different ECP. He suggested that I try what he called "Functional + 1 bifocals", not that I actually NEEDED them. (I think he said that in case I had some vanity issues). I got them and no more headaches at work. There were a few comments, but the commenters were not having the headaches. Away from work, I wore single vision glasses.

A few years later I was in a training program that involved a lot of study and I started having headaches again and got some +1.50 bifocals and wore them full time at 26 because they were just convenient. By the time I was 30 I was wearing +1.75 bifocals and involved in work that involved what are called "D" size drawings that are 22 x 24 inches. I discovered that I could not read the text at the top of the drawings without almost climbing up on the drawing table. Getting caught on the drawing table is a bit hard to explain so I found an ECP that would reluctantly prescribe trifocals for a 30 YO. That solved that problem. I went back to bifocals when I moved on from that job. I switched to trifocals full time when I was 37 and have worn them since.

My point in all this, is that your friend with mono vision, might be having trouble with her eyes working as a team, and she might find reading glasses, functional bifocals, progressives or even trifocals, useful. at least for close work. If I am doing a lot of very close work, I have some single vision reading glasses that are very comfortable.

C.


denden 07 Feb 2018, 17:39

Cactus Jack,

I remember you raised the possibility that my parents and I may merely have Pseudo Myopia. My mom is 50 and she had an eye test yesterday. Turns out that she is still -0.50 in both eyes and needs +1.00 for presbyopia. She absolutely hates glasses so she refused to get a pair until now even tho she obviously needed them for driving at night. My dad (54) is R -0.25 L -0.50 and he also uses his distance glasses at night. I almost never see him use reading glasses.

The good news is their Myopia is most likely Axial and they must have passed it onto me. The bad news is our genes may be limiting us to -0.50, judging by the fact that we all studied Law and were bookworms as children.


denden 07 Feb 2018, 17:15

Cactus Jack,

Thank you for giving me a bit of your history, it was indeed fascinating to read. I have a friend from law school who also has natural monovision (R -2.50 L P or -0.25) and yet she complains about struggling with both distance and reading.

I am originally from another country and I have a driving licence from there, just never had the opportunity/need to actually get a car. Back when I got it my prescription was R -0.50 L -0.25. The doctor did not put on my licence that I needed to wear correction but he still advised me to wear my spectacles at night. That said, the test was done in a sloppy way - I could have gotten away with it if I went in there with contacts.

My reasons for desiring a stronger prescription are complex. In the beginning (when I was 12) it was just me wanting glasses for vanity purposes, but then it morphed into a strange fascination with distant things being blurry and putting on glasses or contacts to make them clear. I like being able to tune out of the outside world by taking off my glasses and putting them back on if I want to see clearly again. Also I like the look of minus lenses that are between -2 and -3.

I am wearing my overcorrecting contacts religiously now. Let's see where that takes me in 3 months!


Cactus Jack 07 Feb 2018, 16:22

denden,

I forgot to comment on the Plus contacts. If you do a lot of reading, wearing Plus contacts has the same effect as wearing reading glasses of the same power. They make close focusing easier, but they relieve your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lens of some of their focusing work load.

C


Cactus Jack 07 Feb 2018, 16:16

denden,

The reason I emphasize getting a driving license is that it is an acceptable way to get an official requirement for wearing glasses. An official government requirement for glasses or stronger glasses is magic for getting past all the questions about needing glasses. I believe you said that you are in the UK. I understand the "vision test" if being able to read a number plate from a certain distance is all that is required. All you have to do is "flunk" that test with your glasses (or without) and you can't continue until that problem is solved. The person administering the test does not know exactly how well you can read the number plate, only what you tell him/her.

I actually got a drivers license when I was 14. I grew up in South Texas which is farming and ranching country. Lots of young teens had to help out with chores and duties. Some involved driving trucks on the farm/ranch and it would be helpful if they could drive on the public roads. If you could go before a judge and demonstrate that you had a need to drive to help the family, financially, and were a responsible young individual, the judge would authorize it, your family did not have to be directly involved in farming or ranching. I had actually been driving farm machinery during the summers, on my grandfather's farm from he time I was about 8 or 9. By the time I was 14 I had a small business going, fixing TVs and other Electronic Equipment. Mother got pretty tired of driving me around, so when I turned 14, my dad applied for an age exemption. I aced the written, but flunked the vision test and had to get glasses before I could take the practical test to get my driver's license.

At that time, I had natural mono vision which was the reason I flunked. Mono vision was not an acceptable condition at that time. Today, it is. My first prescription was R Plano and L -1.50. I did not understand exactly what that meant, but I knew that I was reading with my Left eye and using my Right eye for distance. I really liked having 3 D vision with my glasses and was amazed at the sharpness seeing with both eyes.

I remember my next eye exam by an Ophthalmologist, because my mother insisted on it to make sure that there was nothing major wrong with my eyes, That one resulted in a 0.25 increase in both eyes. From then on I became very sensitive to my quality of vision and at the slightest distance blur, I would get an exam and new glasses. The actual wearing of glasses became 2nd nature and fundamentally, no big deal as long as I was corrected to 20/20 or better, The actual prescription was of no particular consequence. Before i had cataract surgery my prescription was about R -2.75 L -4.50. Note that the difference had not changed much from 14 to to about 64. Until the cataracts developed, I was correctable to 20/20 or better with trifocals. The actual prescription was of no real consequence. The results are what counted.

To me, glasses are merely tools. Not much different than other tools I use such as shoes, clothes, hammers, screwdrivers, etc. I use tools because they make my life better and/or more convenient.

Please understand that I do not make judgements. I fully understand the desire for the best possible vision. When I was your age, I really looked forward to getting stronger glasses and the associated sharper vision. One thing to remember is that 20/20 or 6/6 is "normal" vision, not necessarily the best possible human vision. If you get a chance, look up the history of the Snellen fraction, what it means and how it was developed.

I would like to suggest that you need to screw up your courage. I don't think you have ever said why you would like to wear stronger glasses. It is not important and I don't really care other than wanting to see you NOT frustrated. If you can ever get over the vanity hump (I suspect that it what it is), you will be able to do what ever you want to. If you always get the same frame you can gradually work your way up to a significant prescription and few people will even notice the increase or even ask any questions about it.

One thing I have noticed is that you seem to quickly find a reason for my suggestions not working in YOUR situation. There are work arounds for almost any situation, except one, TIME. You are wasting valuable time. The longer you put off getting stronger glasses or lenses, the harder it will be to start wearing the glasses you want to wear.

C.


denden 07 Feb 2018, 14:15

Cactus Jack,

Having had worse than 20/200 distance vision in the past, do you prefer having 20/30 vision? 20/30 is what I have atm without glasses, but I preferred it when I had 20/70 with my plus contacts.


Soundmanpt 07 Feb 2018, 09:05

Karen

Actually I only wear readers. But I am certain that I have a cataract in my right eye.


Cactus Jack 07 Feb 2018, 08:33

denden,

Not particularly. I still need correction to see really well, My vision without correction is about 20/30 because of mild astigmatism. I can function pretty well without my glasses for many tasks, but if a lot of reading or precision work is required, I wear my glasses. Either single vision for extensive reading or trifocals.

My biggest issue is esophoria. I see double without my glasses much of the time. I can fuse the images if I concentrate, but if I relax, my eyes will try to converge and I will see double. If that happens and I am not doing something that requires near perfect vision, I just close one eye. For driving, I wear glasses, alway.

For me, mono-vision is primarily a convenience. If I need to get up at night, I don't need to put on my glasses to read a prescription bottle. I have a friend who had cataract surgery and opted for 20/20 distance vision in each eye including astigmatism correction (a supplemental procedure) and now he needs to find reading glasses for doing almost anything close such as reading or using the computer or smartphone. I have suggested trifocals, but so far he has declined. Trifocals are for "old" people, and he is only in his 70s. I just smile while he fumbles for his "reading glasses".

C.


denden 07 Feb 2018, 06:53

Cactus Jack,

I remember you mentioned before that you opted for monovision in your cataract surgery. Do you miss your old myopic vision? Or do you prefer not needing correction to see well?


denden 06 Feb 2018, 18:01

Yes I took a photography course in the past which certainly helped my understanding of vision. My myopia is much more pronounced at night, and I'm enjoying it! During day time, on the other hand, my left eye still has almost perfect vision (my right eye's a bit blurry).

I don't have a car so the driving excuse won't work, but I will set the scene by occasionally complaining about not seeing distant objects well with my glasses/contacts on. Until it is the right time to get new frames I'll stick with contacts.


Cactus Jack 06 Feb 2018, 15:14

denden,

Congratulations. Usually, blurring distance vision at night and in low light conditions is the first sign of needing a new prescription because of increasing Myopia. Your efforts are beginning to pay off. You have induced some myopia. It is probably Pseudo Myopia, but accept any small gifts with appropriate thanks.

Have you ever done any photography with a high end camera with an adjustable Iris control? Often these cameras have indicators on the lens that show the depth of field - range of useful focus - for a particular "f" stop or lens opening. The higher the "f" stop, the smaller the lens opening and the broader the depth of field. The lower the "f"stop the wider the opening and the more narrow the depth of field.

You experience the same effect between bright light and dim light. Your pupils contract in bright light, extending your range of useful focus and expand in dim light which reduces your range of useful focus. This is the perfect excuse for getting another pair of glasses for driving, particularly at night.

My suggestion is to order some glasses from Zenni with their lowest cost Anti-Reflective coating and start wearing them for driving at night. You can conveniently forget to take them off. If anyone asks, all you have to say is that you were having some problems reading small signs at night and your ECP suggested some driving glasses to see if that helped. If there are further questions, you can say that you think you see better with them, even in bright light.

You can "break the ice" by commenting to no one in particular that you are having some trouble seeing at night with your new glasses. Then after two or three weeks appear with some stronger glasses.

Do your present glasses have an Anti-Reflective coating?

C.


Karen 06 Feb 2018, 13:59

Soundmanpt, Having read your posts for some years, I am curious. Do you wear glasses? If so, what's your prescription? Have you been a life-long wearer or did you start more recently?


denden 06 Feb 2018, 05:23

Cactus Jack,

I do want to get overcorrecting glasses as well, but I only recently changed my frames so it may raise eyebrows if I get a new pair again now. Also I am afraid people may notice how strong my new glasses are compared to my old pair.

Even after 1 week of overcorrection I am already noticing that my distance vision is becoming more blurry, especially at night!

Following your advice, I will keep doing this until I work my way up to -3.25 / -3.50 contacts. How long do you think it will take me to induce (at least) some Pseudo Myopia if I keep overcorrecting 8 hours per day?


Soundmanpt 05 Feb 2018, 10:54

MROP

Were into Feb. So when is your appointment to get your eyes examined? You should be counting down the days. Do you notice much blur when you first wake up before you put on contacts or glasses?


CactusJjack 04 Feb 2018, 17:56

denden,

Maybe. Glasses or contacts are equally effective as long as they have the same power and are worn all the time you are awake. It would be better if the glasses had the same prescription as the contacts. Focusing as close as you can with your regular glasses is helpful.

C.


denden 04 Feb 2018, 15:16

Can I still induced myopia if I wear my overcorrecting contacts for 8 hours per day? I can't tolerate wearing contacts any longer than that. I wear glasses with my real prescription after I take the contacts off and try to keep the computer screen as close to me as possible.


Cactus Jack 03 Feb 2018, 17:36

Johns,

Causes and Sources of pain are very difficult to determine, even for train medical personnel who have immediate physical access to the person experiencing the pain.

I doubt Corneal thickness was a factor. The Cornea is very sensitive, It is possible that the pain was caused by something as benign as the solid remained of evaporated tears, such as the "sleep" you find in the corners of your eyes on awakening, becoming trapped between your eyelid and cornea. If you rubbed your eyes under those circumstances, you would probably feel some pain.

Thanks for asking, but I have no idea what could have actually caused it. I don't think the weak prescriptions had much to do with it. If it was particles of dried tear component, tears would have dissolved them.

C.


Antonio 03 Feb 2018, 14:46

Hi MROP,

Have you ever looked over your glasses whether you can still read the board without glasses from afar or from the front rows. Any fog there without your glssses now ?

:-)

Best regards, antonio


Johns 03 Feb 2018, 14:39

Hey Cactus Jack,

I've had a question that I've been wondering about for a while. Before needing glasses when my vision was 20/20 if I rubbed my eyes I could rub the sides without discomfort but if i moved my finger over the front of my eyes I had pain.

Then as a kid I got prescribed what should have been -0.25 glasses for my right eye only but they turned out -0.75 because of the opticians writing and I got used to them after only one day of them feeling too strong and with the newly acquired and permanent blurry vision the eye never hurt anymore when I rubbed it all over. But my left eye that was still perfect remained in discomfort, even years later with a -0.25 starting prescription but as soon as it got to -0.50 years later the pain stopped like with the right eye.

What is the pain, was it just having a thin cornea when you have perfect vision but as you get more myopic it thickens up and the pain goes away?


Billy A 01 Feb 2018, 22:25

Ben Victor

Be sure I'm havin more than fun ;) Just with this glasses I feel to be really myself.

Share photos of face/body/property etc is VERY stupid and dangerous.


Cactus Jack 01 Feb 2018, 20:52

alex,

The is no way for a person to Induce Hyperopia. Hyperopia occurs when there is a mismatch between the total PLUS power of the eye's lens system and the length of the eyeball. Hyperopia is caused bt the eyeball not growing quite enough for the power of the eyes lens system. To Induce Hyperopia, it would be necessary for the eyeball to SHRINK after it has grown to its present size. That won't happen.

Lets talk a bit about Myopia and then I have a couple of questions.

There are two kinds of Myopia. Axial or True Myopia is caused by as mismatch between the Total PLUS power of your eye's lens system and the length of your eyeballs. Myopia means that your eyeballs are too long for the power of your eyes lens system. it is considered permanent because eyeball growth is a one way trip.

Pseudo or False Myopia is caused by the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses having trouble relaxing after adding extra PLUS to focus close or compensate for too much minus in contacts or glasses. It is considered temporary, but temporary can be a long time if done properly. It is also possible that Pseudo Myopia can lead to Axial Myopia, if started at an early age and it is done with a plan that maintains focusing stress.

Your asked how long it takes to Induce Myopia.? How about 30 seconds if you do it right. How long will it last? Initially, about 10 seconds after you take off your over corrected glasses. However, that can be changed.

I need to ask a few questions that I believe would be best answered, privately. Please contact me at cactusjack1928@hotmail.com

C


alex 01 Feb 2018, 18:28

cactus jack

Thank you very much for your answer.

I cant belive im actually hyperopic ,but I was relieved when you said I can still induce myopia it makes me rather happy.

about astigmatism test .

lines around 12 and 6 are sharper and darker with both eyes which I believe means I have astigmatism.

I wanted to ask how long will it take to induce myopia with my current hyperopia and can I induce hyperopia if it takes really long to induce myopia?


Cactus Jack 01 Feb 2018, 17:02

alex,

This may take a little thinking to get your mind around, but here goes.

Glasses or contact lenses are the opposite of your refractive error after adjusting for Vertex Distance effects.

If your refractive error was 0.00, the +1.50 readers would have resulted in a focal distance of 66.6 cm using the most fundamental formula of Optical Physics codified by Sir Isaac Newton over 300 years ago. Focal distance = 1 meter / Lens Power in Diopters or 1 meter / Focal Distance = Len Power in Diopters. In this example 100 cm/ 1.50 = 66.6 cm.

If your result is further away than 66.6 cm, your internal refractive error is MINUS, requiring a PLUS lens to correct.

If your result is closer than 66.6 cm, your internal refractive error is PLUS, requiring a MIUS lens to correct.

The results you got indicates that the effective power of the +1.50 readers were:

R 100 cm/ 85 cm = +1.18 diopters

L 100 cm/ 105 cm = +0.95 diopters

Your calculated refractive error would be the difference between the two:

R -0.32

L -0.55

because your internal refractive error reduced the effective power of the OTC Readers by that much.

All this means is that you need to work a bit harder to Induce some Myopia. It does not mean that it is impossible.

Some years ago, I had a client who badly wanted to wear minus glasses. He had several eye exams that resulted in no prescription. I asked him to perform the same test you did. It turned out he was also mildly Hyperopic and was relating the symptoms for Myopia, which caused the examiner to look for Myopia, which the examiner did not find. The result was no prescription.

Before continuing, I would ask you to follow this link for an Astigmatism chart:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjh2O6v84XZAhWuq1kKHZAwD2kQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.optoplus.com%2Fen%2Feye-health%2Fvirtual-eye-test%2Fvirtual-astigmatism-test%2F&psig=AOvVaw0NA01-4B3ZGHpCD1TP2W7r&ust=1517615213487258

Look at the chart with each eye individually and notice if any of the spokes look blacker and sharper than the others. If so, please let me know.

With that information, I may suggest an eye exam, with the appropriate complaints. The idea is to get a prescription, but not order glasses at that time. We will use the prescription to order glasses with MINUS sphere, but based on your actual prescription.

Could this work, maybe. In the situation I mentioned above, he started by ordering two pair of inexpensive glasses one with -1.00 and the other with -2.00 over correction. He worked up to -3.00 over and I suggested an exam by a different ECP wearing the -1.00 over, glasses. He got his first official - glasses prescription. I lost contact with him when he started University wearing -4.00 glasses.

Hope this helps some. Don't even think of another exam until we talk some more.

C.


 01 Feb 2018, 15:24

Yogurt makes you need glasses. Ok. RIGHT.

I guess we should just believe ANYTHING the Russians tell us, right? Next the Russians will be telling us that thousands of glasses were stolen and broken during protests in Iran. Or that people can change eye color from blue to brown. Or that some very nearsighted Russian girl named LauraC works in an Italian restaurant and some goofy loon from eyescene knows her really really really well and bought her glasses.

This is an advertisement for public education. get one. PLEASE.


Ben Victor 01 Feb 2018, 14:45

Billy A

Have fun with your new glasses! ;) I wish members could post photos in this forum. :D


Ben Victor 01 Feb 2018, 14:42

Cactus Jack

Thanks a lot for your response. I will follow your advise. Thank you! :)


Soundmanpt 01 Feb 2018, 12:37

Jane

You simply got caught. No point in trying to makeup some cock and bull story at this point. If I were you I would simply tell your fried that even though you need -5.50 glasses you have always liked the way stronger glasses look and this was the only way you could wear stronger glasses. Be sure to tell your friend how nice you think she looks wearing her glasses. I think she will understand your feelings.

Needless to say from now on you need to be more careful where you keep your contacts.


alex 01 Feb 2018, 10:56

cactus jack

I have done this test with +1.5 glasses and here are the results: with my right eye I could see the fine print about 105 cm away

and with my left eye I could see about 85cm away I hope this helps.


Cactus Jack 01 Feb 2018, 09:21

alex,

Based on your description of your exam results, you may actually be a little bit Hyperopic. Hyperopia is the ONLY refractive error that you can correct internally, using your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses, often without your being aware that you are doing it. We need to find out where you are.

There is a simple test you can do to determine your approximate Sphere refractive error. If you want to try the test you will need the following:

Some Over-the-Counter (OTC) reading glasses, preferably in the +1.50 to +1.75 range. The function of these glasses is to make you temporarily Myopic, by a known amount. I live in the US and we have some stores that offer merchandise in the US$1.00 range. I have seen reading glasses in that range. The quality may not be wonderful, but for this purpose, it does not matter. Do not use prescription reading glasses, because they could have some Cylinder correction which will confuse the results.

A book or newspaper with small print. (the target)

A tape measure.

In good lighting, with the OTC glasses on, hold the target close enough for the print to be clear.

With each eye, individually:

Step 1. Move the target away from you until the letter of the small print just begin to get fuzzy around the edges.

Step 2. Measure the distance.

Step 3. Repeat Steps 1 and 2 three time and average the results of the 3 tests.

Tell me the averaged results for each eye and the power of the OTC glasses you used.

I will do the calculations and advise you.

C.


Cactus Jack 01 Feb 2018, 08:52

Ben Victor,

There is nothing magic about the calendar. You might consider ordering a low cost pair with -6.50 Sphere to try wearing when you can. If you can read comfortably at normal distances with the -5.50 glasses, you have enough Accommodation Amplitude available to deal with some more minus. Just don't be too aggressive.

Fundamentally, what you are doing is building the strength of your Ciliary Muscles. In many ways it is similar to lifting weights at the gym. You don't start with very heavy weights (high minus glasses). You start with a weight you can deal with comfortably, but do a lot of repetitions. Then you move up in small increments as your muscles get stronger and better "conditioned".

The point is that don't use the calendar to determine when you should increase your over correction. Don't jump too far, but jump as often as you can. If you can manage it, even a -0.50 jump is useful.

Some years ago, I helped a very highly motivated individual work up to -12 over correction. It took about a year. He had natural Myopia in the -4.00 range and wound up being able to read extensively with -20 glasses. Because of Vertex Distance effects, -20 glasses have the effect of -16 at the Cornea, which was -12 over correction. He accomplished his objective and when he stopped the extreme over correction, his vision slowly reverted to a bit over -5.00 where it has remained. He was in his mid to late 20s when he started.

C.


Billy A 01 Feb 2018, 07:54

Ben Victor

As I said - wearing my -12 without contacts is impossible! I'm using GOC with +8 contacts and everything is absolutely clear! My new glassses are CR 39 extralenti, they are much thinner than 1.74index in the same frame size and the same power. This type of lenti makes beautiful lights effects and from the front is not possible to see typical lenti "circle", you can see just very interesting effects :) They make my eyes so tiny, more than high index or low index lenses can do! And looking thru them is very comfortable. I love them so much :)


 01 Feb 2018, 07:36

Likelenses

Hmm, cheese myopia... There's this "policarpine" eye drop that causes temporary blurry vision (a side effect of using that eyedrop). I know that there could be some other things(maybe drugs) that could trigger elongation of the eye balls


Ben Victor 01 Feb 2018, 07:33

Billy A

Wow!!! -12 is a very very strong lens power you got, you got so much of over correction which is cool! You must really look good in your new -12 glasses. I don't think my eyes can tolerate that amount of over correction, my eyes would just explode, lol... What's your new -12 lens material?


Ben Victor 01 Feb 2018, 07:28

Cactus Jack

I'll keep trying harder. After I wear my -5.50 for about a year, should I get a higher lens(say -7 or -8)? Thanks! :)


Ben Victor 01 Feb 2018, 07:18

Cactus Jack

I'll keep trying harder. After I wear my -5.50 for about a year, should I get a higher lens(say -7 or -8)? Thanks! :)


Nelson 01 Feb 2018, 05:40

Jane,

Just say that you accidentally ordered the wrong prescription of contact lenses online. Has happened to me before


denden 01 Feb 2018, 03:52

I ordered a trial pack of R -2.25 L -2.00 contact lenses, which overcorrect my eye by -1.50. I had blurry vision the first 10 minutes I wore them but now I barely notice that I am overcorrected. I can still feel my eyes are somewhat strained from constantly accommodating but I see just as clearly as I do with my real prescription. I might try overcorrecting by -2.50 after I finish this pack. Do you think that is too ambitious, considering I barely started overcorrecting?


denden 01 Feb 2018, 03:46

Jane,

I don't think you can do much at this point. If she ever questions you about GOC you can just say you like the look of -14 glasses sometimes. She will be annoyed as she likely hates wearing her thick glasses and would much rather wear -5.5, which is your natural prescription... But she should understand eventually if she is your true friend.

Also for future reference, make sure you hide your plus contacts well haha.


alex 01 Feb 2018, 01:59

cactus jack

thank you for your response.I have another pair of glasses but they are -0.5 so I dont think they will work.

I have had an eye exam about a year ago and they said I have a little astigmatism but I dont need glasses.


Likelenses 01 Feb 2018, 01:11

Ben Victor

In the 1970's I read an article about people living in the USSR, Georgia region that consumed a large amount of yogurt, and most were significantly myopic. The consensus was that the yogurt was the reason for their myopia.

Many years later I read about a high consumption of cheese causing myopia. The article referred to it as cheese myopia.


Jane 01 Feb 2018, 01:05

Just to be clear, my real prescription is also quite high (-5.5) but the lenses are much thinner because they are super hi-index with the coatings/polishings. I needed a thin pair to wear to job interviews etc. because I work in a very professional environment where appearance matters a lot.

It was quite easy for her to tell the difference between my super hi-index -5.5s and my lowest possible index -14s...


Jane 01 Feb 2018, 00:58

My friend was staying at my apartment and she found my stash of + contacts that I use for GOC along with my medium myopia glasses that I use when I'm not wearing GOC. She is a high myope herself and we first became friends after I made a comment about her thick glasses while I was wearing GOC. She is probably -12 or so and my GOC is -14. She asked me about the + lenses and thin glasses and I tried to make an excuse but I think she is onto me. She's obviously sensitive about her eyes and took great comfort in having a friend with the same "problem".

I think she left feeling quite confused and betrayed. What do I tell her?? Help please...


Billy A 31 Jan 2018, 23:19

Cactus Jack

In my age (27) and with my genes I have no chance to induce myopia, I think. My "myopia" depends on plus contacts. I want to try become fulltime GOC wearer, I love my lenti & tiny blue eyes behind!


Billy A 31 Jan 2018, 22:48

Ben Victor

-5.5 glasses were my first, I found weaker prescription too boring to wear. Of course, I'm not fully satisfied, -5.5 isn't as strong as I want.. So I wear GOC more and more, just with -12 (or more) I can be satisfied, thats exactly how I wont to look like :) My newest glasses are -12 CR ExtraLenti, I like them so much, but wear them without contacts is not possible.


Cactus Jack 31 Jan 2018, 20:04

Ben Victor & Billy A.,

If you are able to wear -5.50 over correction, you are using your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses to add enough PLUS internally to compensate. While you are wearing the -5.50 you have Pseudo Myopia.

Pseudo Myopia is considered Temporary, the hope is that the accommodative stress will cause your eyeballs to grow some and have it turn into Axial Myopia. That may be iffy, if your genes won't let that happen.

My suggestion is to wear the glasses and even a bit stronger for as much as you can each day. The trick is to get your Ciliary Muscles so used to compensating for the over correction, that they have trouble relaxing. It will take time.

C.


Cactus Jack 31 Jan 2018, 19:50

alex,

That might be a little to much to start with, but if you have no other choice and can deal with the headaches it is worth a try. At 17 you should have plenty of accommodation to deal with -2.50, unless you are actually Hyperopic.

Have you ever had an eye exam?

Have you ever had headaches when you read a lot or read the small text on a Smartphone?

C.


alex 31 Jan 2018, 19:30

hi everyone im new to this but I have always dreamt of having to wear glasses and recently I found about inducing myopia. im 17 and only my father has myopia im my family.I have been wearing my fathers old -2.5 glasses for last week

my eyes feel strained and it gives me headaches so im asking is this good and how much myopia can I induce with this prescription.


Soundmanpt 31 Jan 2018, 17:46

Ginny

Yesterday I forgot to include something you might enjoy playing with. It's a simulator that if you put in your prescription it will show you how an eye chart might look to you without your glasses. See how close it comes to being what you see without your glasses.

billauer.co,il/simulator

now click on "Blur simulator"

What you'll see without your glasses.


Ben Victor 31 Jan 2018, 16:54

Cactus Jack

I'm 21. My Parents, grandparents and siblings aren't myopic... My Parents wear glasses though, because I think they're presbyopic. My parents have never worn myopic lenses before and I'm certain about that because I've seen all the old glasses they've worn(none of the lenses are for myopia) :) My grandparents, hmm..., they've never worn glasses, I'm certain about that too.


Cactus Jack 31 Jan 2018, 16:14

Ben Victor,

May I ask your age? You may have mentioned it in previous posts, but I can't keep track of everyone's particulars.

Your genes have the ultimate control over the development of Myopia. There is some empirical evidence that there is an Eyeball Growth Hormone, but it has not be isolated or identified. It is believed to be produced by the Retina, but no one is sure.

Are any of your parents, grandparents, or any of their siblings, myopic?

C.


Ben Victor 31 Jan 2018, 15:30

My lens material is polycarbonate, it's optical quality isn't so good and it has got chromatic aberration. When I wear my glasses during the day, I see rainbow-like colours that outline the edges of almost every object I look at through the lenses, this is most noticeable when you look at people through the lenses :(


Ben Victor 31 Jan 2018, 15:20

Billy A

Wow! That's cool! I'm not myopic too, lol. I've been wearing my -5.50D for a month and half I guess. I've worn other lens powers before(-.25, -.75, -1, -2, and -3). I had my first ever eye examination in August, 2016. I was diagnosed with a very itsy bitsy amount of myopia, a very tiny amount, lol.

Like you've said, it takes your eyes a few minutes to adjust to the lenses and a few seconds to recover perfect vision; that's exactly what my eyes do when I wear and take my glasses off.

The time it takes for my eyes to adjust to the lenses is 2 and half minutes and that of recovery of perfect vision is 3 to 4, or 5 seconds.

My is still perfect, just like yours. :)


Billy A 31 Jan 2018, 12:05

Ben Victor

I wear -5.5 fulltime too (sometimes GOC -12 or more), I'm not myopic too. I wear -5.5 more than 1 year and when I take my glasses off before I'll go to sleep, I need just a few seconds to recover, my vision still perfect :)

Everyone is different, it depends on your age etc... I'm sure Cactus Jack can explain it to you much better than I can do. In my case, wearing this over correction doesnt cause myopia. I just need a few minutes to adjust to the lenses and a few seconds to recover perfect vision.


Soundmanpt 31 Jan 2018, 11:54

MROP

I'm sure it's so much easier being back at uni where everyone knows you as glasses wearer. So much easier just being able to put your glasses on and go. Just the fact that you even able to wear both glasses and contacts adding up to -7.50 is very impressive. Understandably that your near vision is a little bit blurry with the GOC. But just being able to see distances with -7.50 is extremely good. You mentioned going to the supermarket wearing GOC Are you able to see well enough to drive wearing GOC or do you just take off your glasses so you're only using your contacts to drive? I'm wondering how good your depth perception is wearing GOC for driving. I'm sure the reason you're enjoying that pulling feeling your eyes are experiencing because you probably realize that the pulling means that your eyes are becoming more nearsighted. Just be careful not to over do it. You already know that your eyesight is no longer perfect and you're certain to be prescribed with glasses. What is your eye exam date? You do understand that even after you get your eyes to your goal of about -2.00 you're still going to have to continue wearing stringer glasses than that to maintain that prescription. probably around -3.00 or -3.50 should keep your eyes at -2.00.


Ben Victor 31 Jan 2018, 11:42

Cactus Jack,

Okay, thank you, but do think that having enough or a lot of over correction (of lens power) for a certain amount of time, would result in at least a small amount of true myopia?

Here's an instance - I'm not myopic, and I start to wear a -6.00D all day everyday (like, nonstop) for three months straight, would I have a small degree of permanent blurry vision? Please do not mind my grammar, English is not my first language. I'm not so good at speaking it. Lol :)

My current lens power is -5.50D.


Cactus Jack 31 Jan 2018, 08:32

Ben Victor,

None known.

C.


Ben Victor 31 Jan 2018, 07:31

Are there certain foods and/or drugs that could trigger axial elongation of the eyeballs(thus, inducing some degree of true/axial myopia). Majority of myopes(people with true myopia) I've seen actually have elongated eyeballs(to some extent). Their eyeballs kind of push thier eyelids outwards a bit when their eyes are open. Unlike a person without myopia whose eyelids are slightly tucked in to their orbital cavities(holes where our eyeballs fit in) despite their eyes being open.


MROP 31 Jan 2018, 06:15

Soundmanpt,

I am back at university now and am enjoying wearing my glasses more and more. As of recentl, Iíve been wearing GOC more than a little bit, as I enjoy pushing my eyes. I donít do this for my lectures yet as with both glasses and contacts, things are a little blurry up close so I donít want to miss vital information, however when copying up notes, popping to supermarkets and things I am benefitting from the overcorrection of both glasses and contacts, around -7.50.

I am really enjoying the pulling feeling that GOC gives me, yet luckily it doesnít cause headaches.

Iíve also received my new glasses and really like wearing them. I now have several different pairs that I enjoy switching up


Soundmanpt 30 Jan 2018, 14:46

Ginny

I had a nice reply for you yesterday and I did something as I was attempting to post it and lost the whole reply. I hate it when that happens. So I will try again.

So i'm glad that you liked those glasses I had recent orders for and have been getting a lot of orders for in fact. If you already have a mailing address in Switzerland you should be fine with placing an order with Zenni anytime you wish to. You haven't ordered glasses form Zenni before so they wouldn't have any record of you living in Germany. Plus Zennni never looks back at anyone's past order history which is a good thing for those that use Zenni for their glasses when they are trying to induce more myopia by getting increasingly stronger glasses every month or so. I'm sure that you take very good care of your glasses and that you're very careful where you set them down even because you know how much you need them now. But it is very easy to be sitting watching TV and fall asleep with your glasses and then roll over on them and break them or maybe reading in bed and falling asleep wit your glasses and waking up to broken glasses. That's the only reason I worry about you only having the one pair of glasses. I'm sure that you're well aware now that you really aren't able to see well enough to function without your glasses anymore.

Yeah your a true OO for sure and a true OO has no use for contacts. It's glasses and only glasses for you. I pretty much knew that. So from now on if you decide to go clubbing or partying you're going to be the girl wearing glasses. Hey if you have learned nothing else from "eyescene" you now know that theirs a rather large number of guys that prefers a young lady wearing glasses to those bare eyed ladies.

Theirs no way of knowing when or how much your eyes will change over the next 6 months to a year. But I with the recent increase you got your glasses should be good for about a year. Did you have chance to talk to your mother about the changes she had once she started wearing glasses? That could be a guide for what changes you might expect with your eyes. i'm sure you enjoyed getting your lenses changed in your glasses because you loved how wearing the stronger lenses felt when you put your glasses on. Getting stronger lenses can be addictive.

On Saturday night after church I went to my favorite sports bar near my house for dinner and to watch the game on TV. An added bonus was seeing one of the servers that I hadn't seen since before Christmas. She has another job at a grocery store that she works 40 hours a week at. So she only is able to work one shift a week at the sports bar and it varies from week to week. Anyway when I last saw her she told me that she might be getting glasses from me soon. As of right now she doesn't wear glasses. She told me that she thinks she might need glasses because she is noticing that she doesn't see as well at night when driving home from her other job. So I went out to my car and brought in a pair of glasses with -.50 lenses for her try to see if they were any help to her. Unfortunately this was during the day, she tried them and even went outside looking at things in the distance. She said that they did make things look clearer and sharper. She was going to make an eye appointment to get her eyes checked. So i wondered all this time if she ever did get her eyes checked or not. Anyway she came straight over to my table to wait on me and to tell me that she still wants to get glasses but she still needs to get her eyes examined. She said she had to hold off getting her eyes examined because of a lot of Christmas bills to pay off. She had told e be earlier that she thought she would look good in aviator style glasses. So when I was placing an order for some new sample glasses I saw a very nice looking pair of aviator glasses and ordered them so I could show her what see was interested in. So I went out and pulled out 3 samples to show her including the aviator glasses. All 3 have -.75 lenses in them. When she brought me my water I told her I had some glasses that she might like. She said wait one minute. She came with her phone in hand so she could see how they look using her phone. the first one she opened was the aviator and she liked them quite a bit. The next one also looked nice on her and she liked that one too. but the 3rd one as soon as she put them on I thought they were made for her. They couldn't have have been a better fit on her and she just looked so natural wearing them. Like she had wore them for several years. So I was really happy when she said they were her favorite. She asked if it was okay to show the other girls she was working with how they looked and get their opinion as well. I watched as she went to each one and I could tell they were all giving their approval. When she came back she told me that everyone loved them and she did as well. She said that these are the glasses she wants when she gets her glasses. I suggested since she liked them so well that she should wear them until I was ready to leave so she could be sure they would be comfortable to wear. Of course she loved that idea. She took my food order and went about doing her job while wearing glasses. I tried my best to watch her without her seeing me. But you would have thought that she had been wearing glasses for years instead of minutes. She never took them off or pulled them down to look over them or even fiddled with them. After about 20 minutes she brought my dinner to me and she was smiling the whole time. I asked her if her glasses were comfortable enough and she said that they were so light that she barley feels them on her. I took my time eating and when I was finished she cleared my table and sat down to chat. I could tell that she was watching something on a TV behind me. I asked her if she could see okay wearing glasses. She said Perfectly. I pointed out to her that the glasses she was wearing was stronger than the ones i showed her before Christmas. She apparently never noticed that they were prescription. After telling her that she took off the glasses still looking at the TV and said "holly crap" and started laughing She was shocked at how blurry everything was without the glasses she had been wearing for over 2 hours. She simply put the glasses back on and continued watching whatever it was she was watching. A bit later she came over with my bill and we talked a bit. She said that she was for sure going to get her eyes examined and after wearing glasses most of the evening she was pretty sure she is going to be prescribed glasses but she said even if she isn't she stil wants to wear glasses and she thought the prescription she wore all evening was perfect for her eyes. So either way she is going to be wearing glasses very soon.


Soundmanpt 30 Jan 2018, 08:26

Bianca

I kind of assumed that your other would be about the same as the one you posted. So apparently this is a relative new prescription for you and you previous glasses must have been much weaker if you really needed -2.75 but your doctor dropped you back to -2.50 because you were already getting a big jump in your glasses. I understand that you don't wish to intentionally make your eyes worse by wearing stronger glasses. So about te only things you can do is choose a bigger frame for your glasses and be sure to use CR39 lenses. I'm not sure how many power rings you will see but your glasses will look stronger and your lenses will be thicker on the edges.


Danbert 30 Jan 2018, 05:50

To anyone who may be reading this who is considering experimenting with overcorrecting using contact lenses - or perhaps, I suppose, is into GOC, I would like to say that I am impressed by Air Optix Night & Day (approved for 30 days continuous wear).

I wish I had found them earlier as I have tried several other lenses in the past (4-5 years ago), but never wore for more than 2 weeks straight as my eyes would dry out even after cleaning daily and using copious amounts of artificial tears.

I have been wearing -2.25 and now -2.75 lenses almost non-stop for 3 months now. I barely take them out at all and mostly forget they are there. In fact, I just returned from an overseas vacation when I definitely did not want to muck around with them - they stayed in the whole time, for FORTY (40) days non-stop - no artificial tears either!

I was more or less emmetropic last time I had an exam. Unfortunately being in my (early) 30s I don't know if I will manage to induce anything. Even a little would make me so very happy though - I've been quietly envious of my glasses wearing friends some years now.


Bianca 29 Jan 2018, 20:22

Other eye is very similar. Only cylinder is -0.25. Eye doctor said I was close to -2.75 for sphere but she gave me -2.50 because it was a big jump. I don't enjoy wearing the wrong power or making my eyes worse intentionally. I want naturally bad vision like I have now. Hopefully it increases on its own because that is authentic.

Is it naive to expect rings at this power? How many will I see in a big frame with CR39?


Soundmanpt 29 Jan 2018, 19:59

Bianca

Power rings are exactly that "power" So the stronger prescription your glasses are the more power rings are visible.Please provide your full prescription. You only provided what one eye is.

Do you have any objections to your glasses becoming stronger? Once you give your full prescription I can advise you about where you might want to be at for your glasses to show more power rings. Your eyes should be able to tolerate a fair amount of over correction. Probably somewhere around -4.00 -.50 060 and whatever your other eye is. Also just as Cactus Jack advised you want to order your glasses with 1.50 lenses.


Bianca 29 Jan 2018, 19:16

So 3 is a solid power?


Ben Victor 29 Jan 2018, 19:04

Soundmanpt

From now on, I'm going to wear my glasses all day everyday. Thank you very much! :)


Weirdeyes 29 Jan 2018, 18:54

Bianca

I thinks so. Itís pretty much -3.00.


Bianca 29 Jan 2018, 17:38

Is the power high enough to get rings?


Ginny 29 Jan 2018, 10:08

@Soundmanpt

Thanks for the frame suggestions. I liked them both a lot. However, I am going to be moving here to Switzerland permanently as I have found a job. So ordering back-up glasses will have to wait, as I don't want them to arrive to my old place in Germany while I am already living here.

You are absolutely right, I have no intention whatsoever of getting contacts. I have always wanted to wear glasses and now that I can I will gladly do this.

Bit disappointed to hear that my eyes won't change for a year or so. After all, I am still an OO-Person, so any upgrade of my prescription would make me very happy. Not that I am tempting it, but I wouldn't mind one or two diopters more. Although I am very happy with my current glasses, I might add.

The blur seems to become more and more intolerable the longer I wear the stronger glasses. I have noticed that even close-up tasks do seem easier with my glasses on, since I don't have to hold everything really close up, so for example using a computer at normal distances is really hard without any correction.


Cactus Jack 29 Jan 2018, 08:32

Oops, the last post was from me.

C.


 29 Jan 2018, 08:32

Bianca

,"Power Rings" are actually internal reflections of the edges of your glasses lenses. If you want more obvious Power Rings, your glasses need to have thick edges with a frosted finish, not polished.

You need the lenses made of the lowest index material with large lens sizes and preferably the thinnest frames with most of the edge showing. CR-39 has an Index of Refraction (IR) of 1.498 and an Abbe value of 58, which means excellent optical properties. About the lowest of any lens material.

C.


Bianca 28 Jan 2018, 19:55

When do you start getting power rings? My specs are -2.50 -0.50 060

Will I get rings with CR39?


Soundmanpt 28 Jan 2018, 16:36

Ben Victor

You are nearing the age where your eyes maybe starting to become stable, There's no set time when that exactly happens and everyone is a little different. It's possible that your eyes could become stable next year or it may not happen until your 26 or 27. All you can do is try. You already have the -5.50 glasses which is plenty over correction. You just need to wear your glasses every waking minute, from the time you wake up until you go to bed at night you need to have your glasses on. Having your glasses off even for 15 minutes will defeat everything you're working at.


Ben Victor 28 Jan 2018, 16:27

Hi, I'm male and 21 years old. I started wearing spectacles back in August, 2016, cuz I was diagnosed with mild myopia(when I had my first ever eye examination). My first lenses were -0.25, then I got -0.75, -1.00, -2.00 and -3.00. I felt that those lenses didn't look so strong, though it took quite some time for my eyes to fully adjust to the -2.00 and -3.00. So, on the 19th of December, 2017, I got -5.50 lenses. To be honest, my eyes aren't finding it easy adjusting to these lenses. When I put my specs on(the one with the -5.50), my vision becomes blurry and it takes 2 to 3 seconds for my vision to become normal. I like how the -5.50 lenses look when I have them on cuz the are quite strong and I've worn them for a month now. So, I want to induce more myopia so I would need my specs all the time. Should I continue to wear the -5.50? Would it induce more myopia? Thanks :)


Soundmanpt 27 Jan 2018, 21:36

ana

You can get new glasses anytime you want to. You don't need to get your eyes examined in order to go on line and order any prescription you want. Most people in here including Cactus Jack and myself recommend Zenni Optical (zennioptical.com) for glasses. Zenni doesn't require a doctor's prescription.

I think Cactus Jack would suggest this to you to start with. First thing you need to do is measure your PD. How you do this is very easy. Find a ruler that has millimeters on it. Generally most 12" rulers have that on the backside. Now their is 2 ways to do this. Your PD measurement is the distance between your pupils.Your pupils are the small dark circles in the very center of your eyes. One way to do it which I really don't recommend is to find a well lit area, usually a bathroom is best with a nice size mirror. Take off your glasses if you have them on and look straight into the mirror and measure from the center of your right pupil to the center of your left pupil. The other way which I prefer is to have a friend measure for you. Again without your glasses being on and you should be looking as if your trying to see something in the distance not like you're reading a book. Have whoever is measuring do it several times and use the number that comes up most often. Okay that takes care of that. Any questions you can also go on You Tube and search for "Measuring my PD" In most cases your PD measurement shuld be between 56mm and 63mm. Next thing you should do is measure your current glasses so you know they will fit you when you get them. Again using that same millimeter ruler measure across the front of your glasses. from the outside right to the outside left. If you're petite your glasses should be somewhere between 127mm and 132mm Okay now your ready to go on line to Zenni. Cactus jack and I suggest that you try and find glasses that are not more than $13.00. Don't worry they have several hundred that are under that price. Now narrow down you search to glasses that are close to the same size your current glasses.Once you find that glasses you like your ready to place your orders. So you click on "ORDER GLASSES" then scroll down and slowly go step by step. It is going to ask you "Prescription Type" Right under that their is a "Select" box. When you click on it it is going to list Single vision - Bifocals - Progressives - and several other options. You want to click on "Single vision" Next is "PD - PUPILLARY DISTANCE" It is already defaulted to "SINGLE - PD" Click on the select box and enter the number you came up with for your PD. Next is where you will enter the prescription you want to wear for your first over corrected glasses. It may look complicated but it is really very simple to use. So now all we need to do is decide what prescription to have you start wearing to "Induce Myopia" (increase your prescription) Okay so lets go with OD Right at -3.00 under SPH leave the CYL and axis blank unless you are able to find that other number that you didn't have, if you can get it or you find it then put the -.25 under the CYL and whatever that missing number is under the axis. Now for your other eye OS Left -3.00 and this time their won't be anything under the CYL or axis.Your CYL number is so low that if you don't include it won't be any problem for you. That's all you need for putting in your prescription. You don't have or want any prism correction so skip past that. It is already defaulted to "NO" The next thing is the year you were born so probably that will be 2007. you don't want or need to save this prescription. Now click on "SUBMIT PRESCRIPTION" When you click on that it will change screens and ask you if you want to "Edit or "Confirm your prescription" information. You want to click on "Confirm Prescription" When you do you will have a new screen appear. Now it is wanting to know the lens option you want for your glasses. it is going to default to the $29.95 option which you don't need or want. Simply click on the first free option of 1.50 Standard index> ow scroll down a little ways until you come the "NEXT " box on the right side. Click on it and another screen will appear. Now this is something that is strictly up to you. "Anti-Reflective" coating on your lenses. If you have it on your current glasses i'm sure you would miss not having it on your new glasses. It's only a $5.00 option and if you do much driving at night it would be nice to have on your glasses. But remember depending on how fast your eyes adjust to your stronger glasses you might only be wearing these glasses a couple months or even less maybe until your ready to go to stronger glasses.As you can see it is defaulted on the $4.95 option of the that coating. If you don't want it then click it off. After you make that decision scroll down and you're finished except for paying for your glasses. You will see "Price with Selected Options" and right under that you will see the total price of your glasses not including shipping which is $5.00. You click on "Add to Cart" and the rest is easy to follow to where you pay.

Now both Cactus Jack and I suggest that a smart thing to do so you don't attract too many unwanted questions and to save money as well for shipping is to order the next pair of glasses thta you're going to need in ordet to continue increasing your prescription. Juts wearing -3.00 glasses isn't going to change your eyes to -3.00. It may increase enough that if you stopped then your actual prescription might be around -2.50 after a couple months of wearing your -3.00 glasses. Now you do understand if all your wanting is for your glasses to look stronger and you don't care if your eyesight changes to -4.00 or not then we can simply work your glasses up to -4.00 and you just wear them and no one will ever know that your actual eyesight might only be around -2.75. You will be surprised how fast your eyes will adjust to your -3.00 glasses when you get them and start wearing them all the time.You will be able to see everything with really sharp and clear detail and your eyes will be completely comfortable wearing them. At the end of the day when you take your glasses off for a short time everything will be quite blurry for because your eyes will be seeing the way they would if they needed -3.00 correction. But after a few minutes most of that will go away and you'r natural vision will return maybe to around -2.25 or -2.50. Anyway a goo idea if you don;t mind spending the money would be to order a 2nd pair of glasses suing the exact same frame as the other one with the -3.00 lenses. Order this pair with -4.00 instead of -3.00. So the only change will be changing the 3 to a 4 in the SPH areas. Doing this will save you the 2 nd shipping charge and by using the same frame no one will know that you are wearing stronger glasses. Now once you wearing -4.00 glasses it will be up to you if you are wanting your eyesight to also get to around -4.00 or if you're happy just wearing -4.00 glasses. Your -4.00 should get you anywhere from -2.75 to maybe -3.25. In order for your eyes to get to -4.00 you have to go to probably around -6.00 with glasses. I assume if you're current glasses are -2.00 you are wearing your glasses full time? If you're not you need to start wearing them full time now and once you get stronger glasses you need to wear your glasses constantly. I mean if your eyes are open they need to be looking through lenses.


Cactus Jack 27 Jan 2018, 20:35

ana,

"Power Rings" are actually internal reflections of the edges of your glasses lenses. If you want more obvious Power Rings, you need to thick edges with a frosted finish, not polished.

You need the lenses made of the lowest index material with large lens sizes and preferably the thinnest frames with most of the edge showing.

You can probably wear your glasses over your contact lenses. That will be pretty close to -4.00, but you ultimately need more than -4.00 if you want to end up with -4.00

C.


ana 27 Jan 2018, 16:12

i cannot remember my full prescription i think it is left eye -2 and right eye -1.75, -0.25 and some other number

will i reach -4? i can't get any new glasses until i need them but i can wear my glasses over my contacts

what prescription will have lots of rings


Soundmanpt 27 Jan 2018, 11:50

Ginny

No problem. I just assumed that my it was taking you this long to finish reading my long comment to you. Sorry about that, it did much longer than I intended. But I enjoy corresponding with you.

I really didn't expect that you would have any problem adjusting you to your glasses since you didn't have any problem when you first got your glasses back in November when you went from practically nothing to -2.75. Like you know even your optometrists thought that you might have some problem with such a big increase. It was also helpful that you were only changes the lenses of your glasses and not getting new frames. because you are used to the way your glasses feel on you and new ones would feel different to you. But i'm sure your eyes notice the difference between your old lenses and your new ones. That's why i'm glad that you had the lenses changed and didn't plan on using these glasses as a backup pair with your -2.75 lenses because I think the difference is enough that you wouldn't be comfortable wearing them as a backup pair anyway. You may or may not have been thinking that a -.75 increase wouldn't make too much of a difference to your vision but look at this way that -.75 is more than what you were wearing before you got your glasses in November. So yes now you are even more nearsighted than you than you were with your -2.75 glasses so nearly everything is going to more blurry now without your glasses being on. I know how badly you have been wanting to need glasses that are as string as what you're now wearing, but are you surprise at blurry everything is when you take off your glasses now? I'm sure you knew that if you ever really did need to wear stronger glasses that things would be blur but is the blur more than you expected? Honestly from what you have said you really seem very thrilled that your eyes changed the way they have. But at the price of some sacricfices such as not being able to go partying without your glasses anymore. The only way you will ever be able to do that again is if you get fitted with contacts and you don't seem to have any intention of doing that. So you're going to be the party girl wearing glasses from now on. Like you're finding out there is hardly anything that you're able to do without your glasses anymore except to shower and sleep. I think you're going to find that it is going to become more and more difficult for you to read small print without your glasses as well. I'm sure that's not a big deal to you anyway since you really don't want to take your glasses off to read anyway. But it worked out well for you this time that you were still able t read while you were without your glasses when they were swapping out your lenses. In the future if you need any work done on your glasses I doubt that you will still be able to read without your glasses. So if that ever happens again I hope that you have a spare pair to wear. And since those are the only things your able to do i'm sure as soon as you open your eyes the first thing you do is put on your glasses. And probably the last thing you do before you close your eyes at night is take your glasses off. So you are now completely a full time glasses wearer.

I'm sure that semi-rimless would be a good look on you and I know you would love being able to show off how thick your lenses would look. And not a bad idea to get a larger pair as well. You know now that you're going to be wearing glasses all the time so besides really needing a backup pair you're only 24 and being female you should want several pairs of glasses so you can change your glasses to match outfits. You shouldn't need any kind of change in your glasses for the next year I would think. And as you know glasses are pretty inexpensive getting them on line. If you're considering Zenni here is 2 pairs that I get tons of orders for. #220431 and #679425. Don't forget to get a pair prescription sunglasses too.

Did you find a job yet?


Ginny 27 Jan 2018, 08:10

@Soundmanpt

Thank you for your long reply - sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. I have had no problem adjusting to the new prescription. I do really notice the difference between my old and new prescription!

Before I got my -3.5 lenses that I'm wearing now, I used to still do some things without my glasses. Like having my first coffee in the morning, while reading the news on my phone. Now it seems my eyes have fully adjusted to seeing fully corrected - the blur is by far less tolerable than before. Also, I have noticed that I automatically grab my glasses first thing in the morning now, so there is nothing except sleeping an showering that I do without my glasses.

I will order another pair and I have thought about semi-rimless ones too. I still think I will opt for a large pair there as well.

Btw, you were right! My eyes seem a bit smaller than before. I hadn't noticed that when I was wearing my -2.75 prescription, but it seems that the increase made the difference.


Cactus Jack 26 Jan 2018, 18:49

ana,

You need to get some glasses that have increased Sphere correction and wear them.

If you will provide your Complete prescription, I can offer suggestions.

C.


Cactus Jack 26 Jan 2018, 18:45

denden,

Yes, but not that much Myopia now. I am 80 and had cataract surgery in 2001. I used to be about R -2.75 L -4.50 with some mild astigmatism.

I opted for Mono-Vision, at the cataract surgeons suggestion. Now my prescription is" R -1.50 L +0.25 with some astigmatism. I can function and drive without my glasses, but for the best vision, I wear trifocals.

I used to do some GOC, but I can't wear contacts now because of dry eye problems.

Incidentally, the cataract surgeon would not install multi-focal IOLs for an Engineer or other person who was used to seeing very well. I had worn trifocals for years before developing cataracts so it was no big deal.

I am not an Eye Care Professional. My background is Electronic Engineering and Computers. When It comes to optics and vision, I am an Amateur in the original sense as one who studies a subject our of love of knowledge. I studied Optics in Physics and Vision when I could not get satisfying answers my correcting my Esophoria (eyes trying to turn inward) and prism in my glasses reduced my Visual Acuity. When I was able to figure out how to fix the problem, my very helpful and understanding ECP thought I should be teaching in Optometry School.

C.


ana 26 Jan 2018, 18:26

Hi I am 20 years old and I have a prescription of -2 in both eyes. I wear contacts most of the time but I wear glasses once in a while. I don't like to wear my glasses cause I don't think they look very strong. How can I make my eyes need stronger glasses?

At what prescription will my glasses start to look strong and will lots of rings show? And what prescription will people try on my glasses and say wow you really can't see.

I want to really need them to see. Some of my friends are -5 and can't see anything without them.

Do you think I will get to that point? How much do you think my prescription can go up? I know my eyes will stop changing soon. Will I be able to get to -4 before my eyes stop changing?

Also I hate having to wait a full year for each eye test and then my prescription only changes a bit. How can I have a big jump at my next eye test in 9 months?


Soundmanpt 26 Jan 2018, 16:28

MROP

You're doing all the right things that you need to do. Even better that you have been saying that you think you need glasses. And your parents seem to understand that being in uni is effecting your eyesight from so much reading and studying. By doing all this now is going to make it so much easy for you to be wearing glasses when you come home again. Both for you and your parents. I'm sure that they will think you look very nice wearing glasses and by wearing them full time they will quickly get used to their daughter wearing glasses and be fine with it.

Once you get you're contacts how do you plan on using them? Are you only going to wear your contacts or are you planning on wearing them along with a pair of glasses as well? Maybe starting off your -1.50 glasses over the top of them. I know that you were experimenting with contacts and glasses that added up to -6.75. But you weren't wearing them full time just some of the time when you were doing close work. But even if your only able to tolerate your -4.00 contacts along with your -1.50 glasses that's still a very nice combination of -5.50 which would be pushing your eyes quite a bit. And your eyes seem to be doing fine wearing your -3.50 glasses full time now.

I'm surprised that you don't notice your eyes looking a bit smaller when you look into a mirror now with your glasses on compared to how they look without your glasses. The best way to describe what "cut-in" is, is to look into the mirror and and look at both sides of your face through the outer edges of your glasses and your cheeks should look narrower and more drawn in looking than normal. Besides the power rings that you now see in your glasses it's another way to tell how strong your glasses are getting to be. You should be very proud of yourself because the glasses you're wearing now that you're very comfortable wearing are really quite strong. I'm sure you notice how strong they are when you first take your glasses off. Everything should be very blurry at least for several minutes before your eyes try to refocus.


denden 26 Jan 2018, 11:50

Cactus Jack,

She actually didn't use that either. It was quite disappointing because I was already able to figure out my approximate CL measurements back in high school when I used to buy CLs without prescription. I don't need an optometrist to just pick up a pair on random contacts to pop in my eyes. Hopefully no problems will arise due to the sloppiness of the CL appointment.

I will wear the CLs on weekdays. Unfortunately I am unable to order glasses with an inflated prescription atm due to various reasons. I will just wear glasses with my true prescription on the weekends but try to push my eyes as much as possible but reading or using the computer.

Out of interest, do you have any myopia in your eyes?


Cactus Jack 26 Jan 2018, 10:05

denden,

I did not answer all your questions.

I suspect the optometrist had used a drop of Fluorescein dye (orange color) in each eye and then view the result with a light that had a UV component (bluish). That provided a check to make sure that there the CLs allowed a tear film to exist between the lens and the Cornea.

Your Corneas have no blood supply, but depend on tears for nutrients, moisture, lubrication, and Oxygen. Also, the contact lens material is Oxygen permeable. The key is comfort. If the lenses ever seem uncomfortable, do something about it. Don't be hesitant to use supplemental tears, designed for use with contact lenses, with extra lubrication.

Also, don't over wear the CLs. Your Corneas need some rest.

C.


Cactus Jack 26 Jan 2018, 09:47

denden,

Soft contacts are very forgiving. If you have found the Acuvue Oasis to be comfortable, a BC of 8.5 should be OK.

C.


denden 26 Jan 2018, 07:52

I went for a contact lens fitting appointment today. I was told that my contact lens prescription is R -0.75 L-0.50. Adding -1.50 to that, I want to order R -2.25 L -2.00.

The optometrist didn't bother measuring my base curve or diameter, she just gave me 8.4 BC 14.2 D contacts to put on and then examined my eyes with a flashlight. Is this a reliable way of learning my lens measurements?

When I was doing GOC I tried a variety of brands out of which Acuvue Oasys fit me the best. Those ones had the same measurements as the trial pack i got from my optometrist. Is it safe for me to order contaxrs with 8.5 BC?


Antonio 25 Jan 2018, 14:21

Hi MROP,

if you come back to uni,

please make a short test

whether you are still able now to read

the blackboard bareeyed from the back

of the lecture hall.

And if not, try to read it next time from the front.

I admit I'm curious wether your eyes still

can do that now without any glasses'help.

I hope you are interested to know that too?

Bestvregards, antonio.

By the way did you try to read on tv anything bareeyed recently ?


MROP 25 Jan 2018, 14:11

Soundmanpt

Yeah Iíve mentioned I think I need glasses. No one is that fussed. Iíll wear my -1.50 glasses with my contacts to begin with.

My glasses are -4.00 and -3.50. Iím still wearing my -3.50 mostuntil my contacts come when Iíll switch to -4.00 full time wear.

I donít feel like my eyes look that much smaller, and to be honest Iím not really sure what cut ins are? But I can see more power rings which show the strength!


Soundmanpt 25 Jan 2018, 13:15

MROP

I now recall that you said you were going to start making some comments about your eyes. That was a very smart thing to do. What did your parents say when you made comments about having difficulty with seeing things at a distance? Did you ever say that you thin you might need glasses? If not while you're still home you should throw that in there as well so they remember you saying that you might need glasses. I agree that telling them by phone before you go home again that you got glasses and that you're wearing them all the time. When you do home again you should probably only wear your -1.50 glasses at first because someone is sure to ask to try your glasses on and even though they may not wear glasses they would know that -4.00 glasses are really strong for your first glasses. After they have all seen you and no one else that might want to try your glasses then you can start wearing your contacts along with your glasses to keep your eyes stretched out.but you need to stay with your -1.50 glasses the whole time your home. Don't be surprised if your prescription isn't at least -1.00 by then anyway.

Your new glasses are -4.00 and -3.50 These are your strongest glasses yet aren't they? So how do you like your looks wearing -4.00 glasses? Your eye should be looking much smaller and you glasses should be providing some nice cut-in on both sides of your face. if their comfy as you say then I assume that you're able to see perfectly wearing them which is the main thing. Nice that you can enjoy wearing your glasses so much and knowing that your eyes are getting more and more myopic each day now.


MROP 25 Jan 2018, 01:26

Soundmanpt,

I donít go back to uni until next week but as everyone has been at work it has been nice to wear my glasses more.

Iím excited for my eye exam, and Iím pretty sure my family know Iíll be coming home with glasses next time, purely because of how often Iíve been complaining about struggling to see things! Iím just going to let them know before I come home.

My new glasses have arrived and theyíre comfy and enjoyable to wear. Iím still waiting for my extended wear contacts to arrive.


MROP 25 Jan 2018, 01:26

Soundmanpt,

I donít go back to uni until next week but as everyone has been at work it has been nice to wear my glasses more.

Iím excited for my eye exam, and Iím pretty sure my family know Iíll be coming home with glasses next time, purely because of how often Iíve been complaining about struggling to see things! Iím just going to let them know before I come home.

My new glasses have arrived and theyíre comfy and enjoyable to wear. Iím still waiting for my extended wear contacts to arrive.


Antonio 24 Jan 2018, 11:31

Hi Ginny,

now you are a really pretty blind thingy,:-)

from what you described when being bareeyed at the coffee shop.

Welcome to our blurry world,

Best regards, also to MROP,

Antonio


Soundmanpt 24 Jan 2018, 11:07

Ginny

Yesterday was a busy day for me and I was mostly out all day. but I did check later in the day to see if you got your new lenses put into your glasses. I was happy to see that everything went rather smoothly for you.

Now I hope that your job interviews go well and you soon have a new job as well. I don't know about the nursing field but I know with many other jobs a person wearing glasses is usually taken as being more serious than non glasses wearers. Being a glasses wearer certainly won't hurt your chances of getting hired that's for sure.

I knew you were going to have to leave your glasses at the optical store. What they did was take out the lenses that were in your glasses and they put them into a lens cutter. Your lenses were used as the template for your new lenses. The lenses that now looking through started out as a 4 inch diameter circle. The process of cutting your new lenses probably took about an hour or more because it is s slow process in getting your lenses small enough to fit your frame. Then they polish and buff your lenses which also takes time. It's actually very interesting watching lenses being cut. I hope I didn't bore you with too much information. But since you're an OO (Optically Obsessed) I thought that you might like to how your lenses wee made and cut to fit your frame. So i'm glad I had you prepared to be without your glasses for several hours and that you even took my advice and brought a book along to read while you waited for your glasses. Even walking the short distance to Starbuck's without your glasses had to interesting because everything was so blurry. Once you got to Starbucks it was a good thing that you already knew what you wanted because you weren't able to read anything on their menu board. This was really only the 2nd time since you got your glasses back in November that you were without your glasses. Like you had found out last week when you tried to go partying without your glasses you really can't see well enough to do that anymore. Theirs a big difference in peaking over the top of your glasses every now and then and being without your glasses. Peaking over the top of them of course things would be blurry but you only had to shift your eyes down so the were looking through the lenses of your glasses to able to see clearly again. But if you don't have your glasses you can't do that. In other words by having your glasses on you always have them as your safety net. Anyway I hope my suggestion of bringing a book along helped pass the time for you until your glasses were ready. It's good that your eyes are still strong enough that your able to read without your glasses. I'm not surprised that without your glasses you need to hold the book closer to your eyes now. Most likely since you don't take your glasses off when you're reading, which I totally agree with you because you don't want to be constantly taking off and putting on your glasses just to read something, your eyes are slowly adjusting to your glasses for reading and it will get more and more difficult for you to read without your glasses. But because you're only 24 and your eyes are strong and healthy so that may not happen for 6 months, a year or even longer. You're correct that your astigmatisms does effect your vision at all distances. But like you said your astigmatisms aren't very much If they were both -.75 it might be enough to cause you headaches if you had your glasses off for too long. But since you wear your glasses full time that isn't going to be a problem for you anyway.

You had enough of an increase in your glasses that i'm sure you noticed the difference as soon as you put your glasses on. look at it this way -.75 is stronger than the glasses you used to wear before Nov. I'm sure that your eyes didn't have any problem adjusting to the stronger prescription. If you didn't have any problem when you got your glasses back in Nov this increase wasn't going to be a problem for you either. They are slightly heavier than they were because your lenses are a little thicker. i'm sure their is more of a "cut-in" now and probably an additional power ring as well. Looking in the mirror your eyes should look a little bit smaller as well. I'm sure that your glasses look very nice on you and you seem very happy with the way you now look wearing glasses. If you got your glasses back around 3:00 PM and you wore them until around 11:00 PM when you took them off to get ready for bed that was long enough for your eyes to adjust to your glasses and it wasn't your imagination or that you were tired that made things seem more blurry than before. Simply put the stronger your glasses get the more blurry your eyes are going to see things when you take off your glasses.

I know that you said you plan on ordering another pair of glasses so you will have a backup pair as well as a pair to change your appearance a bit. Being an OO and enjoying people noticing that your glasses now look much stronger than those glasses you wore before Nov. I suggest that you look for a pair of semi-rimless glasses.Semi-rimless the edges of your lenses are completely exposed on the sides and bottom. Your -3.25 lenses would look amazing in semi-rimless glasses. Also you seem to like that your current glasses leave marks on the sides of your nose when you take them off.Semi-rimless glasses have adjustable nose pads which almost always leaves marks on your nose. Your current glasses you said are on the big side but being a full plastic frame your lenses are mostly hidden by the frame.

Lastly, you said that your mother told you that she got her first glasses when she was 22. Reading back at your early posts that was about when you started to notice that your eyes were starting to get worse even though you held off until you were 24 to get your eyes examined and real glasses finally. You're eyesight didn't go from good to -2.75 overnight so you almost certainly needed glasses when you were 22 as well. You said that your mother got to around -5.00 ish before she had lasik. you should talk to her and see if she knows or remembers her glasses history. That could be a clue about your own eyesight. Things like at what age was he when her eyes became stable so she could get lasik?


Soundmanpt 24 Jan 2018, 09:08

MROP

So by now I assume that you're back at uni. It has to feel good to be back where you can go back to wearing your glasses full time without any worries of being caught by your parents wearing glasses. Even better were about in the last week of January so Feb. is right around the corner and being a short month it won't be very long until you go for for your eye exam. I really think you're going to be happy with the results of your eye exam. You're going to be prescribed glasses i'm sure of that. The only question is what will your prescription be? And your next trip home you're going to be wearing glasses full time. Are you going to tell them before you go home that you're now wearing glasses or are you just going to go home wearing them and surprise them? Do you think they are going to be surprised to see you wearing glasses? I think they maybe surprised at first but once they start thinking about it they will probably just assume that all the long hours of reading and studying caused you to have to start wearing glasses. I'm sure that a number of your uni friends now wear glasses.

Did you get your extended wear contacts yet or your 2 new pairs of glasses?


Alex 24 Jan 2018, 04:59

Thanks for the explanation, Cactus Jack. I thought I was done with the prism glasses. But I woke up with a terrible headache this morning. My usual glasses didn't relieve it, so I've been wearing the prism lenses at my computer for the past three hours. The headache has gone.

In response to a previous query, I'm male.


denden 24 Jan 2018, 04:43

CJ,

To add to my previous post, my mom still complains about not being able to see well when driving at night so I assume she still has some myopia too. She does struggle a bit with near vision but can still get by if she holds her phone/book far. It's just that she is really anti-glasses so she wouldn't wear glasses for neither close work nor distance unless she really, really needed them.


denden 24 Jan 2018, 04:30

Cactus Jack,

Yes I did notice friends who started out with my prescription got much more progress while mine stagnated. My parents are in their 50s and they still don't use reading glasses. My mom never got distance glasses but I still see my dad occasionally use his distance glasses for driving. I guess this is "good" news?

I went GOC a lot in high school but one very observant friend noticed once that I was wearing contact lenses (thankfully I didn't have glasses on when he did) and after that I stopped. Now I live with my boyfriend who doesn't (and never will) know about this weird obsession of mine so that is unfortunately an impractical option for me. Thank you anyway for the suggestion!

My Axis came out as 170 in the most recent test but before that it was usually 180. I probably won't go for an eye test again for the next 6 months but when I do I will definitely keep your tips in mind.


Cactus Jack 24 Jan 2018, 03:50

denden and others.

Don't get excited about changing Axis of the Cylinder correction in a prescription. It is VERY important that it be right, but determining the Axis is the MOST subjective part of an eye exam. The higher the Cylinder correction the more important that the Axis be correct.

Sphere correction is related to Axial (True) Myopia or Hyperopia and / or Pseudo (False) Myopia or Latent Hyperopia.

Cylinder correction is typically related to uneven curvature of the front surface of the Cornea. The Cornea should be a section from the side of a perfect sphere. If the surface is uneven where the curvature in one direction is steeper that it is in another, like a section from the side of an American football, you have Astigmatism which is corrected by Cylinder in glasses. The Axis of the Cylinder is the Long Axis. By convention, 0/180 angular degrees is Horizontal. The numbers increase in a counter-clockwise direction, looking at the patient, through 90 degrees, Vertical, and on around to 180. Numbers greater than 180 are not used.

The thing that makes determining the actual Axis direction difficult is that the normal method of determining the Axis depends on the skill of the patient in comparing relative blurriness of two images seen through a Cylinder lens mounted so that the changes 45 degrees, each side of the actual Axis. It is difficult for an experienced examinee and very difficult for a person new to eye exams,

There is a procedure I described in "How to Study for an Eye Exam". where you ask the examiner to place your hand on the Axis control knob at the appropriate time and you "fine tune" the Axis for the sharpest, least distorted image. Most examiners will appreciate your active participation in the exam, because they have no way to see what you are seeing. They have to depend on what you are telling them.

If you do that, I think you will find that the Axis of your Cylinder correction changes VERY slowly if at all. Once you have the Axis just right, you might ask the examiner to change the Cylinder power up or down 1 step (0.25 diopters) for the sharpest image.

C.

P.S. I have posted "How to Study . . " severe; times here and on V&S. If you can't find it, let me know and I will post it again.


Cactus Jack 24 Jan 2018, 03:19

denden,

Law studies are infamous for stimulating Myopia if there is any propensity in that direction. I suspect that your parents do not have much Myopia in their genes and did not pass much on to you. You may notice that some of your fellow students in law school, who are Myopically inclined are needing more and more MINUS in their glasses as they progress through law school. Some people with Myopia may be wearing bifocals or reading glasses to reduce their focusing effort or if they don't have much astigmatism AND their Myopia is in the -1.50 to -3.00 range, they may be removing their glasses for reading rather than get bifocals. People who need PLUS glasses (Hyperopia)for have a different set of problems that are more complex than simple Myopia.

It is NOT out of the question that your parents and your very mild Sphere correction is actually Pseudo Myopia, rather than Axial Myopia. The clue will be, if their Sphere correction starts to decrease after Presbyopia becomes a factor and they get a significant Add for close focusing (e.g. over +2.00). It may take several years for that to happen after they get a significant Add.

FYI, Axial Myopia is caused by a mismatch between the PLUS optical power of the eye's lens system and the distance from the back of the Crystalline Len to the Retina. A typical adult eye is about 25mm in diameter. Because the eye's lens system is inset into the eyeball, the typical distance from the back of the Crystalline Lens to the Retina is about 17mm. According to the laws of Optics, that means that this formula is applicable: Lens Power = 1000 mm / 17 mm = +58.8 diopters. It also means that 1 diopter of refractive error is caused by the eyeball being either 0.3 mm too long (Myopia) or 0.3 mm too short (Hyperopia) for the total PLUS power of the eye's lens system.

If you find it too uncomfortable to wear glasses with too much Minus, there is another alternative. You can effortlessly simulate Myopia by doing Glasses over Contacts (GOC). You wear PLUS contacts and MINUS glasses to compensate. Let me know if that sounds interesting. For glasses below -4.00 and with your low refractive error, it is easily and inexpensively done.

C.


denden 23 Jan 2018, 14:59

Cactus Jack,

Both my parents and I studied a degree that requires hours of reading (Law) but we didn't develop proper Myopia. But as I said many other relatives managed to develop it, in fact one of them got LASIK at -3.50.

My first eye test was when I was 12 when I was prescribed L -0.50 CYL (idk the Axis) R -0.50 SPH. Since then it has stayed more or less consistent despite my (inconsistent) efforts to increase it throughout high school. I merely got an increase of -0.25 SPH in each eye. I guess it is safe to assume what I have is Axial Myopia since I've had it since I was 12.

I will try overcorrecting by -1.50 in each eye for a month and then working my way up to -2.50.


 23 Jan 2018, 12:23

@ Maxim

Yes, I do feel incredibly lucky that this has happened to me. Just love the way the way minus glasses look.

I have talked to my mum and if I take after her, I will most likely end up with a even higher prescription than I have now.

The blur is way more noticeable now, there is no way I am doing anything without my glasses from now on. This is exactly what I wanted!


Cactus Jack 23 Jan 2018, 11:15

Alex,

I doubt wearing the small amount of prism for 1 day had much direct effect on the double vision your experienced. The Eye Position Control System (EPCS) (my name) is completely different than your Focus Control System. Both are in the brain and they are interconnected so that focusing effort tends to cause your eyes to converge, but they have two different functions.

I think the most likely cause was Alcohol and Fatigue caused your EPCS to relax. Double vision is a common effect of too much alcohol. It would have been interesting to put on your glasses with prism and see if they helped you fuse the images.

Strabismus, the general medical term for eye misalignment, is more common than most people think. It is usually so slight that the EPCS can easily correct if given two high quality images to match. The key word there is "Quality". The sharper the images are, the easier it is for the EPCS to do its job. However, there is a caveat, focusing effort can cause the eyes to try to converge or cross. That is caused by an apparent interconnection between the EPCS and the Focus Control System.

You could have some Strabismus that, under normal circumstances, is easily corrected by your EPCS. If you experience more episodes of double vision you could actually need some prism to help you keep the images fused.

One thing to remember, Prism can cause or correct Strabismus.

C.


 23 Jan 2018, 11:11

So are you done with wearing your prism glasses or do you think you're going to try them again? Alex are you male or female? The name Alex could either.


Cactus Jack 23 Jan 2018, 10:44

denden,

There is no way to tell for sure if you have the "right" genes for much more Myopia.

The answer is maybe. The fact that there is Myopia in your family is a good indicator, but you need to do some research on genetics.

Your visual environment seems to have some effect. The idea of wearing glasses with more MINUS than you actually need is to stimulate eyeball growth which will cause increased Myopia, IF IT WORKS. There are no guarantees.

Based on your comments, all this effort may not be worth trying, without guarantees that you will be able to create some additional Axial Myopia. There is really no way to know if your present Myopia is Axial or Pseudo Myopia or a combination of both. A dilated exam might offer some clues, if your dilated Sphere correction is less than your non-dilated correction. However, that is not always a good clue because the modern dilating agents are intentionally just strong enough to prevent your Ciliary Muscles from focusing during the exam and will wear off very quickly so you can focus close again.

It is fairly common for the close focusing and reading requirements for University to cause an increase in Myopia. That could work for you without any additional effort on your part.

C.


denden 23 Jan 2018, 07:55

Cactus Jack,

My problem with Pseudo Myopia is that I have to maintain it by wearing overcorrection or else it will fade away eventually. Ideally I'd rather wear overcorrection for a while until I am happy with the amount of Myopia I have, and then I'd get glasses with my true prescription and wear them part-time.

As I said before, my parents are very mildly nearsighted (around -0.50 each) but on my father's side there are much higher prescriptions (like more than -3). Do you think I have the right genes in light of this information?


Alex 23 Jan 2018, 04:47

As mentioned earlier, I wore my prism glasses all day yesterday, from around 8am-5pm. My vision is definitely sharper wearing them, but I did feel 'trippy' walking around the office, as if I was floating in the air. Looking down was pretty weird too. Whenever I took the glasses off to wipe the lenses, there was blurriness but no double vision.

But... I went for some drinks with friends after work and changed into contact lenses (-2.5, no prism). Things were fine until I arrived home around 11pm and started to watch TV . Suddenly, characters on the TV had two heads! My photos on the wall were doubled too! As much as I tried to focus, I couldn't. I took my contacts out (blurriness, still double vision) and went straight to bed.

Maybe the alcohol relaxed my eyes to the way they'd been accustomed to seeing through the prism lenses earlier that day? Whatever, it was a scary experience. Suffice to say I'm NOT wearing my prism lenses today. Have no idea double vision occurred hours after wearing them. Any explanations?


Maxim 22 Jan 2018, 15:21

to Ginny

Such a nice story, I feel so happy with you! My best wishes!

Can you imagine, how disappointed I had been, when I had been wearing (after the eye doctor always had refused to prescribe glasses to me during later childhood and teenage years) -2.00 for more than 4 years (between the age of 21 and 25 approx.). And then, again, went for prescription, and I was prescribed plus glasses - R +2.50/cyl -1.00 A 70 deg, and L +2.00/cyl -0.50 A 155 deg, if I remember correctly.

Yes, I was happy - glasses eventually, and I was able to se fine! But, I would have preferred myope (nearsighted/minus lenses) and not hyperope (farsighted/plus lenses).

So still very often, I'm playing with GOC fake myopia (plus CLs and minus glasses.


Ginny 22 Jan 2018, 14:56

@Soundmanpt

As I mentioned, today I got my glasses fitted with my new prescription. I am not working currently (actually came here for job interviews), so I had a lot of time on my hands.

I went there after lunch and following your advice I brought book with me. They were super nice at the shop. My new lenses were indeed ready and had to be put into my existing frame. As you said, I had to leave my glasses there and it took them about 2.5 hrs to get them fitted.

After my "experiment" of trying to go partying without my glasses, this was the first time since last November that I was out without my glasses. It was really a lot blurrier than I remembered. I mean, of course, I have peaked over my glasses a few times before, but only for really short periods. Being out without them was something totally different. I automatically started to squint really hard but it didn't help that much.

I went to Starbucks nearby and spent time reading. Of course I was able to order some coffee as their menu isn't something special but there was no way I could've read what was on there. Not only was it blurry, I could not even see that something was written on the board behind the barista.

Reading was not a problem, however I did notice that I tend to hold the book closer than with my glasses. I thought my astigmatism would maybe give me more of a problem, but it seems it is not strong enough to cause any problems with my near vision.

I was super excited during the whole time I had to wait. When they finally called I rushed back to the opticians. Luckily there weren't many people and they got to me very quickly. And when they finally gave me my new glasses .. wow! Already inside the shop I could tell how much clearer everything than with my previous prescription! And outside it was even more noticeable. I could literally feel my eyes relax - seeing with my new prescription is so much easier!!

Maybe it's just my imagination, but the glasses do feel even heavier. And I can definitely tell a difference when I look at them. There seem to be even more cut-ins and power rings than before. Although - as you said - I don't think anyone else will notice. But I don't mind, I love how my glasses look even stronger now - the prescription looks (at least to me) quite substantial. Love it.

Of course I wore them the rest of the afternoon. Taking them off tonight (it's nearly 11pm here) I thought the blur had gotten worse, but maybe it's just because I'm tired.

Anyways, I am super happy with them!


Cactus Jack 22 Jan 2018, 12:27

Alex,

If you wear higher minus glasses exclusively, it is likely that you will come to prefer them over the glasses you presently wear. At your age, it will not happen overnight. The problem is that your Crystalline Lenses are still very flexible and will recover quickly if your Ciliary Muscles relax. The key is that you can't let them relax.

There is no way to tell exactly what will happen because everyone is different. However, I can guarantee that little or nothing will happen if you take no action and make no effort.

You have to be aggressive in increasing your prescription and go as far as you can. You can have the same effect by wearing your glasses over Minus, Sphere only contacts.

Either method will cause your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses to add enough PLUS, internally, to compensate for the extra MIINUS. That will cause additional Axial or Pseudo Myopia to develop over time, if you are lucky.

C.


Alex 22 Jan 2018, 08:12

Thanks Cactus Jack! Do you think I am wasting my time or is there any possibility for me to become dependent upon these glasses?


Lip 22 Jan 2018, 07:59

Cactus Jack

A request from me in the Lenses thread.

Lip (Leo in Perth)

Thank You.


Cactus Jack 22 Jan 2018, 07:30

Alex,

3/3 BO is a very small amount of prism. It causes each eye to turn inward less than 2 angular degrees. It has less effect than reading a good book over a weekend.

C.


Alex 22 Jan 2018, 03:19

There is one thing I've noticed. Due to the thickness of the lenses, the frames feel significantly heavier on the bridge of my nose. Have gone into work today wearing them and will let you know how I fare


Alex 22 Jan 2018, 03:01

Ordered prism glasses online (-3.25, -3 BO in each eye). Wore them full-time over the weekend. Things are much sharper (maybe I needed the -3.25 prescription - my last eye test revealed me to be -2.5 two years ago). But, upon taking them off I've noticed none of the double vision that previous prism newbies have talked about on this site. Maybe not everybody becomes dependent upon prism glasses?


Cactus Jack 21 Jan 2018, 16:39

denden,

You may be able to induce some Axial Myopia (cause some eyeball growth), but there is no practical difference between Axial Myopia and Pseudo Myopia, They have two different causes, but the same result and their effects are additive. You need minus corrective lenses.

There is some evidence that focusing effort where your Ciliary Muscles squeeze your Crystalline Lenses to increase their plus power may cause production of an as yet un-isolated and unidentified Eyeball Growth Hormone. IF your genes will let that happen. They are always in control.

I am acquainted with a very highly motivated individual, who was a bit older than you are when he started, and wore glasses in the -4.00 range. He needed to Induce enough Myopia to flunk the physical (over -5.00 in each eye)for mandatory service.

He worked his way up to wearing -20 glasses while studying. If you consider Vertex Distance effects, that was -16.00 at the Cornea or -12.00 of over correction.

It was mostly Pseudo Myopia, but he was able to Induce enough Axial Myopia to flunk an eye exam where they used the most powerful dilating agents to keep Pseudo Myopia from getting in the act. He had just over -5.50 in each eye.

Can you do something like that> There is no way to tell unless you try. What have you got against Pseudo Myopia? It will accomplish your purpose and you might Induce some Axial Myopia.

C.


Soundmanpt 21 Jan 2018, 11:25

Ginny

I'm sure that your using the that chart is the main reason you are now noticing that your glasses are a bit weaker than they should be. Remember you're eyesight is really your brain, your eyes are only the lens for your brain. Your brain is the main reason, along with accommodation, that you were somehow able get by for so long with your previous glasses. I'm sure you now know that you were needing stronger glasses for a good while before you got your current glasses. It works something like this. With your previous glasses when you looked at a sign in the distance you were able to read it because as long as you were able to make out just a few letters of each word your brain filled in the missing letters. So you didn't really notice that the other letters were blurry. And like you say now that you have gone again to get your eyes examined and not only were you unable to see the bottom lines of the eye chart but you were also told that your glasses are too weak for your eyes. So now you're paying more attention when you're looking at sign or anything it the distance and now you're noticing that it's a bit blurry.

Nice that the place you went to get your eyes examined happened to be a one-hour place. So they do have their own lab to cut and grind your lenses for you while you wait. Those one-hour places usually keep a large inventory of many different prescriptions on hand. But it is nearly impossible to keep every possible one. If your lenses were only to correct your nearsightedness i'm sure they had those in stock but because of your astigmatisms is why they didn't have the lenses you need in stock. Here in the US the only place that has one-hour labs anymore is Lenscrafters. A few years ago nearly every optical store had their own lab, but because of the various lens coating only Lenscrafters still ha labs. if you hadn't gone to a one-hour store they would have taken your glasses and sent them off somewhere to get the lenses switched and you would have been without glasses for at least 2 - 4 days. With your previous glasses that wouldn't have been a real problem at all for you but not now. You're pretty dependent on your glasses now and I don't know how well you would be able to see to get along without glasses anymore? I'm sure it would be extremely difficult being a nurse for you to see well enough to do your job safely. It's going to be bad enough for you to get by for the 2-3 hours that you're going to be without your glasses. I don't think you're going to want to wander too far away. In fact I would suggest since you're still able too read without your glasses that you bring a good book or magazine to read and stay at the optical store or maybe some place close that you can get a coffee or other drink while you wait for your glasses to be ready.

Hey Ginny I completely understand why you tried to go partying without your glasses. Very simple reason 2 months ago you were able to go partying without your glasses but you probably didn't even have your glasses in your purse at those times. Old habits are hard to break. So some things you are still learning and adjusting to now that you're wearing stronger glasses. But you were still smart enough that you at least had your glasses in your purse so were able to put them on when you realized what a bad idea it was to try going without your glasses. One thing you now know is that your glasses are stronger than any of your friends that wear glasses if they were able to go partying without their glasses. So it looks like from now on when you go partying with your friends you're going to be the only one wearing glasses. But look at it this way. As you know from being in "Eyescene" theirs a lot of men that prefer a young woman wearing glasses and you have that area covered. That is until some of your friends start wearing their glasses as well. You're current glasses are well into the area where you need to be wearing your glasses full time. So if things are pretty blurry now when you take off your glasses you can expect things to be even more blurry when you get your new lenses put in your glasses. Now i'm not saying that you can't or shouldn't take your glasses off when your at home. But outside of your house you really need to keep your glasses on from now on. I'm glad that you have no interest or desire to wear contacts. Besides as you may know in "Eyescene" contacts is a bad word never to used or said out loud.

I'm a bit surprised that anyone would notice the change in prescription. But you're lenses are thicker now so maybe they saw that? Or like you say maybe because you talk a lot about glasses they first noticed that you were wearing different glasses which would draw attention to your lenses.I have a feeling that if you had just changed the lenses in you previous glasses and not said anything no one would have noticed your lenses. I'm sure when you get the lenses changed now no one is going to notice. It's possible that someone may have noticed you squinting or straining to see something and then when you got new glasses they just assumed that you got new glasses because your eyes changed. You should ask them now the noticed that your glasses were stronger. I'm sure that you must be excited now because it has been your wish for a long time to actually be wearing glasses that you really need to wear. And you seem just as happy to be dependent on your glasses as well. I'm sure as you got older you thought that this was never going to happen. I'm glad that it happened without you doing anything other than reading in dim lighting. But most likely what changed your eyes the most was the genes from your mother. If she first started wearing glasses when she was 22 which was about when you probably started needing stronger glasses as well. The true sign of a real glasses wearer is the imprints on your nose that you see when you take your glasses off.I always wonder whenever I hear a woman say that she needs to go powder her nose if that was started by a woman glasses wearer that needed to fix her makeup where her glasses sat on her nose. The marks on your nose are fine as long as there not hurting your nose. Back in my dating days whenever I would remove a young ladies glasses i always thought it was sexy and cute those red marks on both sides of the nose. Funny thing most young ladies don't like those marks.

I think after going a few hours tomorrow without glasses you will understand why I keep insisting that you get a backup pair ASAP. If you don't already know what your PD measurement is be sure to ask them to write it down for you.Besides your prescription you also need that in order to order your glasses on line. Have you looked at Zenni to see what glasses you want to order? The one thong i suggest is that you first find a ruler that has millimeters on it. Then measure your glasses across the front, from the outside right to the outside left. If you're petite I would guess that your glasses are maybe around 130mm to 137mm. Zenni glasses don't cost much but they are very good quality.

I can't wait to hear how your day goes tomorrow. It should be interesting I think.


denden 21 Jan 2018, 09:54

Cactus Jack,

Thank you for your response! My CYL axis varies between 170 and 180. This time it came out as 170. I am surprised by the CYL in my right eye because I never had astigmatism in my right eye until now.

Is it impossible for me to get any more axial myopia?

I'm a student from the UK. I wear glasses with my true prescription full time, and my friends generally know I can see fine without glasses but I prefer having crystal clear vision. I wouldn't tell anyone I'm trying to induce more myopia ofc haha.

I will go for a contact lens fitting session to learn my eye measurements and then order contact lenses online. I was wearing -1.25 and -1.75 lenses in high school before (secretly from my parents haha) but they strained by eyes quite a bit, especially when I was using the computer.


Cactus Jack 21 Jan 2018, 09:26

denden,

You may be a little bit old to induce very much Axial or True Myopia, but Pseudo or False Myopia will give you the same results. Axial Myopia is considered to be Permanent and Pseudo Myopia is considered to be Temporary, but Temporary can be a very long time if you nurture it. The difference between the two is that Axial Myopia is usually the result of excessive eyeball growth and Pseudo Myopia is the result of constant or as nearly as constant as possible focusing stress on the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lens.

Fundamentally, all you need to do is order some glasses with increased Sphere and wear them every waking hour until they get comfortable and then order glasses with increased Sphere, over that. You will likely need to go -2 or maybe -3 over your target prescription and then settle back a bit.

You need to start with your COMPLETE prescription.

R: -0.75 SPH -0.25 CYL, Axis ?

L: -0.25 SPH -0.50 CYL, Axis ?

Cylinder and Axis ALWAYS go together. One without the other is worthless. NEVER change the Cylinder and Axis numbers. Copy them exactly.

Step 1. Increase the Sphere by the same amount. I suggest starting with -1.00 over.

Step 2. Order

R: -1.75 SPH -0.25 CYL, Axis ?

L: -1.25 SPH -0.50 CYL, Axis ?

also order

R: -2.75 SPH -0.25 CYL, Axis ?

L: -2.25 SPH -0.50 CYL, Axis ?

I suggest ordering low cost frames and lenses from an online retailer such as Zenni Optical. You might want to consider the low cost Anti-Reflective coating. Don't bother with with any other extras.

Order both pairs with the same frame and if you presently wear glasses as near as possible to the frame you are wearing. People notice frames more than they notice lenses. If you want to change frames, now is the time to do it so you only get the comments, once.

Step 3. Start wearing the first pair from the time you wake up until you go to bed at night. As soon as they become comfortable and you feel uncomfortable without them, change to the second pair.

Step 4. Order

R: -3.75 SPH -0.25 CYL, Axis ?

L: -3.25 SPH -0.50 CYL, Axis ?

Step 5. When those get comfortable. It is time for an eye exam. However, you need to be careful to either go to a different ECP or go, wearing the glasses prescribed by your original ECP. More about that later if the reason is not clear to you.

Don't sweat small changes in the Cylinder or Axis. That part of the eye exam is the most subjective. The results depend on your skill in telling the ECP what you see. I strongly suggest you read "How to Study for an Eye Exam" before your next exam. The way to get the most accurate Cylinder and Axis numbers are explained there.

May I ask your occupation and where you live? (country)

Please let us know what you plan to do.

C.


Ginny 21 Jan 2018, 08:52

@Soundmanpt

I know, this is what I was thinking just last night. I bet if I hadn't used the chart I would not have noticed the slight blur I am experiencing now. Even more, now that I know for a fact that my glasses are too weak, I keep noticing it even more. As far as they've told me, my the lenses should be in tomorrow. It was in fact a one-hour-place but they didn't have my prescription in stock, so I had to wait. Apparently they are super quick here in Switzerland ;). I would be too, seeing how much everyone earns here, haha.

I am not sure why I tried to go partying without my glasses. Probably bc all of my girlfriends, even the ones usually wearing glasses, were not wearing any, so I wanted to fit in. But I won't to that again anytime soon. And also, contacts are not for me. My eyes have always had this weird, strong reflexes where I can't help but shut my eyes as soon as I try to touch it. Plus, as I work a lot of night shifts, contacts are highly unpractical.

Yes, I was surprised too when people started commenting on the change in prescription. The reason might be because I used to (and still do) talk a lot about my glasses and everybody knew that my old pair were not that strong. Also, they might've noticed that my eyesight got worse in the past few months

Of course I am excited to get stronger lenses. After all, I would consider myself as an optically obsessed person. Hence my visit to this site. Great to hear that I might get even more dependant on my glasses with the updated prescription. I love the fact that bc I choose such big frames the lenses feel a lot heavier and leave imprints on my nose when I take them off.

I will probably order some cheap backup glasses online, as I totally agree with you and wouldn't want to be without them for any longer period. As they told me at the optical shop here it will probably take them around 2-3 hours to get my glasses fitted with new lenses. So tomorrow will be interesting as I will have to go around with no correction at all for a few hours.


denden 21 Jan 2018, 08:19

I'm 23 years old and I recently got an eye test with the following results: R: -0.75 SPH -0.25 CYL, L: -0.25 SPH -0.50 CYL. This is a -0.25 CYL increase from my previous results. I want to be more myopic, around the region of -1.50 SPH, is this possible when I'm 23 already? My parents prescriptions are less than -1 but there are many people who are very nearsighted in my extended family.


Soundmanpt 20 Jan 2018, 09:59

Ginny

The only difference by telling your new optometrist that your last eye exam was a year ago as opposed to telling him the truth that it was 2 months since you had your eyes examined is that it's not at all unusual to need an increase of -.75 in your glasses after a years time. So the doctor only thought that your eyes were simply going through normal progression. After all being a nurse you're probably doing a fair amount of reading small print and doing reports and other things that would have an effect on your eyes. But a change of -.75 in only 2 months isn't normal except in you cases because you went from wearing glasses that barely even had a prescription in them to your current glasses which as you now know are a good deal stronger. You didn't say when you started to notice that with your previous glasses things were beginning to be more more and more blurry to you. You really should have gotten your eyes examined much sooner than you did. But i do understand why you didn't. I'm sure you didn't really think that your eyes were getting worse but put it off as you're imagination. Your current glasses are really what most people would be getting prescribed as their 3rd or 4th change in glasses. Not really their first. Not counting the glasses you wore with barely any prescription in them your first real glasses should have been something like -1.00. And your next glasses maybe -1.50 or -1.75 and so on until you be at your current glasses. Going slightly stronger each time would have allowed your eyes to not only adjust to your glasses each time but also for your eyes to become relaxed each time as well. But by going from hardly any prescription to your current glasses in a way was a shock to your eyes. So if he had known that before before examining your eyes he may have wanted to dilate your eyes to be sure that your eyes were as relaxed as possible.

As for as cost if they don't have that 90 day policy in Germany or Switzerland then since you're going to be living in Switzerland anyway it was a good idea to get your eyes examined their as well. Even better for you if the pay for nurses is even better in Switzerland. Who doesn't want to make more money? I am glad to hear that you weren't driving with your previous glasses or even your current glasses once you found out that their a little bit weak for your eyes now.

I don't think you're going to have any problem with reading small print when you get the new lenses put into your glasses. You were much more likely to have a problem with reading when you first got your current glasses and you didn't seem to have any problem at all. So you should be just fine with your change in prescription.

Funny thing, if you hadn't found that eye chart at your hospital and tested your eyes with your glasses on I wonder how long it would have been before you might have realized that you weren't seeing as well as you should with your glasses? Once you knew that you couldn't see the 20/20 line with your glasses you then tend to start to notice it more. I'm not at all surprised that you're squinting to see something in the distance now even with your glasses. But if you didn't already know by testing your eyes that your glasses were a bit too weak I don't think you would have noticed that you were squinting. Now that you know it bothers you more because you know that you're not seeing perfect with your glasses. I love the fact that you couldn't be happier that you're getting stronger lenses put in your glasses. With your current glasses you said that you could still function without your glasses even though things are much more blurry without them. Once you get your glasses changed it is going to be harder for you to function without your glasses than it is now. You will have to let me know once your eyes have a chance to adjust to your glasses if you're still able to function without your glasses.

I'm a little surprised for several reasons that you went out partying without your glasses being on. One reason i'm surprised is because you are so thrilled to really finally need to wear glasses. I would have thought the only way anyone would ever get your glasses off of you would be forcibly removing them from you. Of course you're still a young woman so you want to look your best when you go out. but you don't seem the type that would feel any less attractive wearing glasses. In fact you seem more like how you look wearing glasses more than without them? And even though you say that you're still able to function without your glasses that is probably true in familiar environments maybe, but not in unfamiliar places. Your distance vision is very limited now without your glasses. If you don't want to wear your glasses when you go out partying you're going to have to get fitted for contacts. Otherwise i'm afraid you need to plan on wearing your glasses when you go partying. I'm sure you were glad that you had your glasses in your purse. Yes when you're nearsighted night time is always worse as you're finding out You don't really think that your wearing glasses will stop any guy from approaching you do you? Your glasses don't have to match your outfit. Why did you think your glasses didn't match your outfit? What color and style of glasses are you wearing? you must like your frames because you're keeping your frame and just getting new lenses put into your existing frame. Did you ask the opticians how long they would need your glasses for when you go back to have them change your lenses out? I hope they have a lab that they are able to cut your lenses in house. What they are going to get is what they call "lens blanks" lens blanks are lenses in your new prescription and when they come in they will be around 4" in diameter and they will be round shaped. They will take your glasses from you. They will remove your lenses from the frame and use your lenses as templates to grind your lenses down exactly the same size as the lenses that were in your glasses. Once they finish that they will put your new lenses in your frame and put your glasses on you. But even with them having a lab you can expect to be without your glasses for at least an hour and maybe much longer. If they don't have a lab they are going to take your glasses and send them off to someplace that does. Then you might be with your glasses for several days. As much as you need your glasses now you really do need to have at least one more pair as a backup and just so you have a choice of which glasses to wear.

Since you're using the same frame I doubt anyone will notice that your lenses are stronger. Honestly even if someone that had tried your glasses on with your current lenses and they try your glasses with your stronger lenses they won't notice the difference because they already thought your glasses were strong as they are now. I'm a little surprised that anyone really noticed just by looking at your glasses that your current glasses are noticeably stronger looking than your previous weak glasses. Most people do notice when you get new glasses but only because the frame is new and different than before. Your eyes look smaller wearing your current glasses than they did when you were wearing your weak glasses. Maybe they noticed that if they looked closely at your eyes.


 20 Jan 2018, 08:05

Hi Ginny

Thank you very much for the update/clarification. Good luck if you do decide to move to Switzerland. I don't think that it would have affected your prescription if you had told the truth about it having only been two months, and about your eye history, but if you had been regularly choosing between two lenses in the exam, one slightly stronger than the other, or if the optician used a retinoscope and he/she found a slightly stronger prescription, knowing that it had only been two months, and your eyes are obviously in a period of changing quite a bit, they may have given a slightly stronger prescription to save you having to pay out for new lenses again too soon, whereas thinking that you had last had your eyes tested a year ago, they may have prescribed the lower prescription, not wanting to increase your prescription anymore than necessarily.

In all honesty, even if this was the case, I don't think that it would really have mattered, as long as you can see the 20/20 line with your new prescription.

My optician discussed the retinoscope with me. She said that if people report difficulties with new glasses after a prescription change, she refers back to her retinoscopy findings to see whether she could have prescribed them a little differently.

All the best

Lou


Ginny 20 Jan 2018, 05:11

I know I probably shouldn't have lied about my latest eye exam. I really don't know why I did it tbh. Do you think that would've changed the results of the exam? They don't do that refund thing in Germany. But we have great health care and since it is already a new year, they will probably pay for it. Also, I am actually moving here to Switzerland, this is why I did the eye exam here. They are looking for a lot of nurses and the country is really great :). Plus you make more money than back home.

Just to ease your mind: I do not drive :). Public transport is excellent around here!

I think my myopia has developed rather quickly, this is probably why I didn't have any issues with reading close up. But maybe this will be an issue once I get my new prescription? I have ordered new lenses for my current frames and they should be ready sometime next week. Since the eye exam I seem to notice the not-so-perfect vision with my glasses more than before. I catch myself squinting a lot even with my glasses on. I am of course still super happy that this is happening to me - i never thought it would! And you are absolutely right, it is crazy when I think that a few months back I still thought my vision was okay. Last friday was the first time I tried to go without glasses when I went out partying as I felt my glasses did not match my outfit (again you are right and I should get different styles;)). Luckily I was smart enough to put them in my purse as I could literally not see a thing without them. I was super shocked, bc at night it seems even worse. So they came on rather quickliy again.

I have mentioned this earlier, but I am still surprised on how many people notice the change in prescription. I have worn glasses continuously for the past few years but I guess they have always looked weak. I love telling them about how I needed stronger glasses :) Also when they put them on now, they say stuff like "wow you're blind" which is super exciting for me.

Really looking forward to getting new lenses put into my glasses! I mean it's nearly one diopter more than I have now, so they must look stronger, right?


MROP 19 Jan 2018, 15:50

Soundmanpt,

Yeah I think Iím doing quite well with overcorrection. the contacts Iíve purchased are said to be wearable for continuous wear for 30?days and nights and whilst I definitely wonít do this, one or two nights wonít hurt, as they are very oxygen permeable and designed for this.

My friends say that my glasses suit me, however theyve only seen my black framed ones. I go back to uni next week though, so then theyíll see me in my navy metal pit and sometimes my semi-rimless pair.


Soundmanpt 19 Jan 2018, 15:39

MROP

Your eyes seem to tolerate quite a bit of over correction without any problem. That is probably why your eyes seem to be changing without any effort. You want your eyes to feel some slight pulling. That means that your eyes are being strained which you want.

Even though you're getting extended contacts i'm glad to hear that you plan on taking them off at bedtime. And I hope you don't fall asleep too often with them on. I really don't think that is very good for your eye health. You're doing so good with making your eyes myopic you don't want to do anything to cause any harm to your eyes.

So has the girl part of decided which style of glasses looks best on you yet? Since you started wearing glasses what has the reaction of your friends been to seeing you wearing glasses? Has their been one pair that they seemed to like best on you?


MROP 19 Jan 2018, 09:57

Soundmanpt,

I thought Iíd update you on my glasses and contacts. Iíve become super comfortable with my -3.50 glasses and am really comfortable wearing them over my -3.25 contacts, which I have done all day today. There is no headache pain and I am holding reading material as close to my eyes as possible. At first the blur was pretty bad but Iím beginning to be able to hold my phone and books etc closer and closer to my face and feel little strain with it. Currently I am holding things close enough that I feel a little pulling.

Iíve ordered my -4.50 extended wear contacts, and some more glasses in -4.00 and -3.50 as I fancy a slight change in frame!


Soundmanpt 19 Jan 2018, 09:48

Ginny

No doubt being younger was a help to your eyes in making the adjustment to your current glasses. Also the fact that needing stronger glasses has been your wish for so long made it easier for you as well. I am sure that your eyes quickly adjusted to your glasses for seeing distances clearly and sharp.But i'm surprised you didn't have more of a problem at first with reading small print with your glasses. You're an ER nurse so it's critical that your eyesight is near perfect when reading the small print of dosages of medications and such. But again your still young age was probably an asset to you with being able to read with your glasses on. Remember you're nearsighted so your glasses are now strong enough that they aren't really helping your eyes to read small print. In fact they should be making it slightly more difficult for you to read with your glasses on. But by not taking your glasses off to read your eyes will completely adjust to them for reading and your eyes will be more comfortable wearing your glasses for reading and more uncomfortable and difficult for you to read without your glasses anymore. But I agree with you that's it's best that you keep your glasses on when reading.

I'm sure the world looks a lot different to you now when you take your glasses off than it did 2 months ago. It's amazing how much accommodation will help when you're still young. Your eyes had to be straining like crazy to see things even a short distance away from you with your previous glasses. If you drive a car you have no idea how dangerous that was. I'm sure that you're still pretty shocked at how fast you went from being able to see what you still probably thought was "pretty good" to only being able to read close up. Even though you're able to function without your glasses it's much more difficult than it was before with your previous glasses. Now even though you have been wishing to need stronger glasses for so long i'm sure that you knew that if you were ever going to need strong glasses your vision would be pretty blurry without your glasses as a result. Is this pretty much what you expected your eyesight would be like?

I knew as soon as you said what your prescription was when you got your current glasses that you would be needing your glasses made stronger in less than 3 months time. Then when you didn't mention getting your eyes dilated and going from wearing glasses with hardly any prescription in them to -2.75 that as your eyes adjusted to your glasses and became relaxed that you wouldn't be seeing as well as were when you first got your glasses. And your own vision test you did at the hospital you at confirmed that in less than 2 months your glasses were already too weak for your eyes. Now I wish that you had told the truth when you went for your recent eye exam so the doctor would have dilated your eyes. That is the best way to get a more accurate refraction(prescription) so your glasses would be perfect to what your eyes need to be wearing. You're going to need to order new glasses soon because 20/50 with your glasses on isn't very good. In fact even with your glasses on you're considered unsafe to drive a car. You only recently tested your eyes at your hospital where you work and at that time with your glasses on you were able to read the 20/40 okay but said that it was slightly blurry. Now you could only read the 20/50 line with your glasses and the 20/40 was more blurry than when you tested your eyes. So I wonder if your eyes are still not fully relaxed which means you're eyes are still adjusting and haven't settled down yet. But you can't keep going every couple months to get your eyes examined either. I would suggest that you go on line to get your glasses. It's much cheaper than the optical stores and you may need another change in your glasses in 6 months anyway until your eyes settle down. You know what prescription you need to order and I can help you with getting your PD measurement you need in order to place an order. Actually the are cheap enough that you really should order 2 pairs when you order. I don't have to tell you that you're unable to get by without glasses anymore. So right now if something were to happen to your glasses you would be in big trouble. You wouldn't be able to see to drive to work and even if you were able to get to work you wouldn't be able to see well enough to do your job as a nurse very well without your glasses. Nobody ever plans on their glasses getting broke but it happens all the time. You need a spare pair of glasses. besides your a young woman don't you want to be able to change your glasses from day to day anyway?


Lou 19 Jan 2018, 08:58

Hi Soundmanpt

Thank you very much. I have already read the whole of Ginny's story, thanks, and your suggestion. Since she didn't seem to have responded to your suggestion, I thought that I'd re-post it at the top of the thread. Sorry, I should have referred to your suggestion and said that I agreed with it, rather than re-posting it. I'm a little confused for how long Ginny is in Switzerland and presumed that it was for a short period for work, and was thinking that she could return to the place where she got her glasses on her return.

Best wishes

Lou


Soundmanpt 19 Jan 2018, 08:12

Lou

You're always welcome to join in that's what this forum is all about. I wasn't aware if they had the same return policy in other countries or not, but I knew here in the US that most optical stores do have that return policy. If you look back to my post on "17 Jan 2018 10:47" I suggested the very same thing to her . But she said that she was now in Switzerland. So I assume that is why she had her eyes examined their. I am not sure why she didn't tell the truth that she only got her current glasses prescribed to her only 2 months ago instead of claiming her last eye exam was a year ago? She doesn't understand that what is happening with her eyes is not unusual for someone getting such a large increase in their glasses. But that was her own decision to make.

Ginny's glasses story is very interesting. It starts on "17 Jan 2018 4:34"


 19 Jan 2018, 02:51

Hi Ginny

I fully appreciate your last post was to Soundmanpt, but in the UK where I live, you generally have three months to return if you feel that your glasses are wrong in either prescription or fit/comfort. Since it has been only two months and you now have confirmation that your prescription is significantly too weak, I would telephone the place where you got your glasses from, and without mentioning your eye test yesterday, say that you think your prescription is too weak, as you are really struggling to see in the distance, and could you please come in for a re-test. I think that it is quite likely that this will result in them changing your lenses in your current glasses at no cost to you.

Best wishes

Lou


Ginny 18 Jan 2018, 13:31

@Soundmanpt

No, I was fine with wearing them from the beginning. I guess it is probably because of my still young age, so my accommodation is still okay. Reading with them now is no problem and even without them I can read just fine. But I never take them off, it is simply too much of a hassle to do so.

I mean it is scary when I take them off now, besides reading there is nothing much I can do. I can still function normally though, it's not like I am "really" blind. It kinda feels like worse then before though, it is like you said - my eyes have probably relaxed now and that is why I experience the blur as worse then before. I actually am really happy with my glasses, partly because they do look a lot stronger than they actually are. I think this is bc of the fairly large frame size :).

However, I was bored today and a had a full eye exam again! I admit, I said my last one was a year ago bc i feared they would send me away if they knew I had been prescribed my current ones only 2 months ago.

As you figured Soundmanpt, my current glasses are too weak for me! I am somewhat surprised about how much too weak they actually are tbh. I thought it would be around -0.25 or - 0.5, but apparently I need -3.5 in my sphere which means -0.75 more in both eyes. Astigmatism stayed the same. I managed to read only to about the the 20/50 line and was already struggling with the 20/40 so -0.75 more seems appropriate.

I am not sure about ordering new lenses again .. maybe I will just keep my current ones and wait a little longer. Will that have any effect on the further progression of my prescription? I would like to see 20/20 though, and also the thought of having stronger glasses (even though not by much) is kinda interesting.


MROP 18 Jan 2018, 13:00

Soundmanpt,

Yeah I know. Itís all good.

Yeah I know with contacts. I have solution and know how to clean them properly. I want extended wear as if I happened to fall asleep in them one night it wouldnít be as bad as in dailies, however I will remove them at night.


Soundmanpt 18 Jan 2018, 12:13

Ginny

I would expect for you to be completely dependent on your glasses by now. For some time you were hoping and wanting your eyes to get bad enough for you to need stronger glasses. But now that you have the stronger glasses you have been wanting are you okay with everything being so blurry when you take off your glasses now? And being so dependent on your glasses now. Before with your weak glasses they hardly made any difference, if any at all, in your vision. I think you might be perfectly happy if your eyes hardly change anymore at all.

When you got your glasses and started wearing them Did wearing them give you any headaches at first while your eyes were adjusting to them? Did they seem to feel like they were pulling your eyes out of your head? And how well were you able to see to read wearing your glasses? I would think that might have been the hardest part adjusting to. At first were you taking your glasses off when you needed to read small print? Are you keeping your glasses on now when reading? Now that your eyes are fully adjusted to your glasses is reading as easy now with your glasses as it is without your glasses? I assume that your still able to read without your glasses? I'm sorry for all the questions but I am asking because you went from barely needing glasses to needing them full time with your first real prescription. Even though you were probably thrilled to be wearing what i'm sure you were considering your first real glasses. But I have a feeling that first week wearing your new glasses by the end of each day your eyes were pretty tired from working so hard adjusting to a much stronger prescription then your eyes were used to.


Soundmanpt 18 Jan 2018, 12:13

Ginny

I would expect for you to be completely dependent on your glasses by now. For some time you were hoping and wanting your eyes to get bad enough for you to need stronger glasses. But now that you have the stronger glasses you have been wanting are you okay with everything being so blurry when you take off your glasses now? And being so dependent on your glasses now. Before with your weak glasses they hardly made any difference, if any at all, in your vision. I think you might be perfectly happy if your eyes hardly change anymore at all.

When you got your glasses and started wearing them Did wearing them give you any headaches at first while your eyes were adjusting to them? Did they seem to feel like they were pulling your eyes out of your head? And how well were you able to see to read wearing your glasses? I would think that might have been the hardest part adjusting to. At first were you taking your glasses off when you needed to read small print? Are you keeping your glasses on now when reading? Now that your eyes are fully adjusted to your glasses is reading as easy now with your glasses as it is without your glasses? I assume that your still able to read without your glasses? I'm sorry for all the questions but I am asking because you went from barely needing glasses to needing them full time with your first real prescription. Even though you were probably thrilled to be wearing what i'm sure you were considering your first real glasses. But I have a feeling that first week wearing your new glasses by the end of each day your eyes were pretty tired from working so hard adjusting to a much stronger prescription then your eyes were used to.


Soundmanpt 18 Jan 2018, 09:51

MROP

Once again I want to remind you not to over do it by trying to go too strong with glasses and contacts. What you're going to be doing is in effect the same as wearing -6.75 glasses. That's very strong considering only a few months ago you hadn't even started wearing glasses yet and you still had perfect eyesight. In the short time since you have started wearing glasses and contacts you no longer have perfect eyesight and your eyes have continued to be weakened by wearing over correction to the point where you no longer able to see well enough to drive without either glasses or contacts anymore.So you already know that what you're doing is working very well.

Getting extended wear contacts is a good idea but remember even though you can wear them for 30 days you still need to take take them off at bedtime and you need to clean them each night as well. The main thing is you're not replacing them as often. But you can't put them on and leave them on for 30 days straight or you will almost certainly get an eye infection which i'm sure you don't want. Are you thinking of the extended lenses because of you're upcoming stay with your friend while you're staying with her so yo don't get caught wearing your stronger glasses around her. By the way how did she find out that you're now wearing glasses? Is she in uni with you or did you just decide to tell her so you could wear glasses around her?


MROP 18 Jan 2018, 02:08

Soundmanpt (and anyone else haha),

So Iíve started to wear my -3.50 glasses over my -3.25 lenses for close up work a few hours a day to push my eyes a little. Iím hoping this will make a big difference in inducing myopia.

Iíve also decided to invest in some extended wear lenses, so that I can wear lenses that I plan on wearing for a week straight, then a break, then another week and so on for a bit just to induce some more myopia. Iím thinking Iíll order these in -4.50.


Weirdeyes 18 Jan 2018, 00:12

Ginny

It did shock me that I was farsighted. I thought for a while I was nearsighted, but not enough to need glasses. Turns out that was astigmatism. My astigmatism is -0.75 and -1.50 which actually is bad enough to get glasses. My prescription is also strong enough to be concerned about thick lenses. At least the left eye. I do get thinner lenses, but mainly because Iím scared my lenses will look visibly different. If both my eyes were like my left eye I probably wouldnít be as scared of thick lenses.


Ginny 18 Jan 2018, 00:02

@Antonio

Yes, that was exactly what happened. I mean the glasses I had before were really week - so it didn't take me long to realise that they were not very useful to many anymore.

And it does kind of excite me that my prescription still isn't perfect and I like the thought of seeing even better a lot :).

@Soundmanpt

Okay, thank you. I might just have an eye exam today here if I find the time! You are right, I am absolutely dependent on my glasses already and I have a gut feeling that my prescription will keep increasing as I do still a lot of close work. And if I take after my mother I am likely to end up getting stronger glasses anyways so I am not pushing it.

@Weirdeyes

I know, and for me this is still very weird. I imagined things like this happening to me but never thought it might actually happen. For me it has always been minus glasses though ;)


Soundmanpt 17 Jan 2018, 14:14

Ginny

After wearing your glasses for the past 2 months your eyes should be fully adjusted and relaxed by now. So once you get that small increase you now need you should be good for at least the next 6 months and maybe even the year. But if you're still doing many of the same things you were doing, reading holding everything close in dim lighting, before you got your eyes examined then you will likely need another increase sooner rather than later.

I'm glad that you're not planning on over correcting your eyes at this point anyway. Actually I think you're wearing a very nice prescription right now. You're going to be wearing -3.25 with some astigmatisms when you get your eyes rechecked. So you already can't see all that well now without your glasses now. Their's really no point in trying to make your eyes any worse in my opinion anyway. And I think you're very happy just the way you are now.


Weirdeyes 17 Jan 2018, 12:06

Ginny

You kind of remind me of me. When I was a kid I pictured myself wearing strong glasses. I didnít know what kind I would wear. Sometimes I pictured myself wearing minus glasses and sometimes plus glasses. Sometimes I tried to think about astigmatism glasses. I couldnít understand them, so I just assumed they were very trippy to wear. That excited me. I once remember this dream where I wore some glasses that had strong plus and cyl correction. I had fun taking them off and everything looking trippy and putting them back on and seeing everything clearly.

When I couldnít see some objects in the distance my dad could see at around nine years old I got excited. That meant I needed glasses. I assumed they would be minus glasses. Especially since I loved reading so much. I got my eyes tested and they said I didnít need glasses. I probably strained too much to see the letters. I didnít know you were supposed to relax. I was very disappointed.

A few years later I got my eyes tested again. I turned out to have poor vision in my left eye. That confused me because I thought my vision was off in both eyes. He made a big deal out of the poor vision in my left eye, but I only ended up with a weak prescription at first. That confused me. Later on the left eye prescription did get way stronger while the right eye prescription stayed pretty weak.

I eventually got astigmatism correction in both eyes. It doesnít look as trippy as I thought it would. Probably because itís still relatively mild. Iím getting my eyes dilated tomorrow. Iím hoping to have significant latent hyperopia because I have terrible eye strain. It would also be nice to stop all the monocle jokes as well. I think the difference between my eyes will be less obvious if both lenses are ďstrongĒ instead of just the left one.


antonio 17 Jan 2018, 11:26

Funny, Ginny,

So you got halfblind behind your own first -0.25 glasses ? :-)

Did you like the challenge to see through your already too weak lenses ?

Best regards, antonio


Ginny 17 Jan 2018, 11:07

Thanks you guys!

Yes, the difference between my old and new glasses is really huge. I would say the old ones are close to useless to me now.

I will definitely not get any stronger glasses right now in terms of over correction! But I just my have my eyes re-tested here in Switzerland. I might move here soon anyways.

@antonio

I don't know, I really struggled and squinted a lot. Also my friends kind noticed I guess. Many of them were not at all surprised when I told them about needing stronger glasses.

The explanation about my eyes not fully relaxing makes sense to me. Do you think it could get even "worse" once the truly relax? I am just so excited to know if I need a stronger prescreption already!!! I might really just have my eyes retested tmrw :)).


antonio 17 Jan 2018, 10:50

Hi Ginny,

How could you cope with reading the board at school and all else when you couldn't read the bus numbers any more ?

Did you wear your first glasses ?

Did others got to know you were slowly going halfblind ?

Did you ask "silly" questions as I did that everyone could answer but not me ?

Best regards, antonio


Soundmanpt 17 Jan 2018, 10:47

Ginny

Based on everything you have said and described I think there is no doubt that your glasses do need to be stronger already. Most likely when you were tested the prescription you were given was accurate at that time. But because there was such a big difference between the weak glasses you went in wearing and how much your eyesight had changed your eyes weren't as relaxed as they needed to be. Also you idn't mention anything about them dilating your eyes which also helps relax and provide a more accurate prescription. So now by wearing your new glasses full time everyday you're eyes have fully adjusted to your glasses in the past 2 months and your eyes are now relaxed as well. So what you're seeing by testing your own eyes is no doubt accurate. Your glasses are in fact a little weak for your eyes because you shouldn't have any problem reading the 20/20 line with your glasses on.

I would suggest since you have only had your glasses 2 months many if not most optical stores will exchange your lenses within the first 90 days after you get your glasses at cost to you. Some will even do that even if you're not happy with the frames you got. but a change in your prescription is something they shouldn't have any issue with doing at no charge. Honestly I don't think the optometrist would be surprised at all that you need your lenses changed out. Now I would first call and ask about what their policy is in regard to a change in your prescription as far as replacing your lenses. If they don't have this policy then as long as you're wanting to wear rather strong glasses anyway you can always go to my favorite place for glasses. Zenni (zennioptical.com) and order your glasses on line. They have several hundred for under $13.00. And don't forget to order the optional AR coating which is only $5.00 more. If you're only wanting to get back to 20/0 or slightly better then order your glasses by -.50 SPH stronger than your current prescription. I wouldn't try going too strong if I were you until your eyes have time to settle down Your eyes are barely adjusted to your current glasses which are a lot stronger than your old ones were so going up another -1.50 is quite a big change in a very short time. And remember what your mother told you. Your eyes might be just beginning to change and who knows how strong your glasses might get naturally. Now that you finally really need your glasses you should probably order a nice pair of prescription sunglasses at some point once you get things worked out with your glasses now.

Big difference now when you take off your glasses compared to your old weak glasses isn't it. I'm sure that your glasses look very nice with that prescription.


antonio 17 Jan 2018, 09:35

Hi Ginny,

Yes test your eyes there. Why not.

But I don't advise you to spoil your sight on purpose.

I found out I need -1 more every decade.

And you still habe many decades to go.

So please don't spoil your eyes now.

If you like you can try GOC on another thread herein

Just for the feeling of needing strong minis glasses over plus contacts.

Interesting story yours by the way. Thanks.

Visit many of us on lenschat.com

Or webkicks.de/brillechat als Gast in German

Best regards Antonio


Ginny 17 Jan 2018, 09:25

@specs4ever & Josh, thank you for your answers!

I am still very happy with my glasses, but I keep wondering if I might have been under corrected.

As I work in a health related field I have asked around and it seems that it is (as least here in Europe) not uncommon to give a weaker than actual prescription to a patient that has had a fairly big increase in his or her prescription.

Being an "optically obsessed person" (as you call people like me, right ;)) I have of course tried to check my vision even now that I have my new glasses already. I found an eye chart in the hospital where I work and a quick vision check by myself.

I found that with my glasses I still can not see the 20/20 line. 20/40 is quite alright but also slightly blurry, however I have no trouble recognising (i.e. reading) the letters on the 20/40 line, even though they are not completely clear. Does this mean that I might need an additional -0.5?

Even though I am happy with my current prescription, I find the idea of needing even stronger glasses quite fascinating and wouldn't mind at all.

I cannot go back to the place I had my eyes tested in November, as it has only been 2 months since I got them and I believe they'd might suspect something's up. However I am considering going to another optician's and have another exam. I am seriously interested if I have been under prescribed.

Do you think I should do this? I am currently staying in Switzerland for a while. Nobody knows me here and I am really tempted just to pop into a optical shop and tell them it has been a year since I had my last eye exam.

And I admit, I have been thinking of ordering stronger glasses sometime down the road.. but I am really not yet sure about that. Do you really think I could tolerate -1.5 more? Wow, that would bring me to -4.25 which sound really crazy :D.


specs4ever 17 Jan 2018, 06:20

Congratulations Ginny on achieving what you have always wanted. Your story sounds quite plausible and if you do want to increase your myopia a little more the people of this community will certainly be able to advise you. But you already know about ordering glasses online with stronger prescriptions. You don't want to end up with too high a prescription so you probably shouldn't try to order glasses with any more than a 1D increase at a time, and actually, if you wait a month or so you might find that by then you will have adapted to your new glasses so well that the clairity you first experienced is no longer there. If that is the case you might bump your glasses by -1.50D, but that is a decision only you can make. If you ever do choose to increase your prescription, do not play around with the cylindrical numbers, only increase the spherical(the first number). I wish you all the best in obtaining your goal.


Josh 17 Jan 2018, 05:30

Nice story Ginny, you could chat with lot of people in glasses in lenschat.com hope to see you there soon, enjoy your glasses!


Ginny 17 Jan 2018, 04:40

Even now I love how they feel on my face and every day is super exiting wearing them. I was surprised, how many people noticed the difference in the lenses Ė probably because my old ones really looked week.

And, I learned something even more exciting. My mother, who has been myopic with around -5 but had LASIK two years ago, told me that she did not get her first glasses until she was 22. She warned me, that if I ďhad her genesĒ my eyes would probably get worse every year! I am not hoping for this as my prescription is already severe enough for my taste and I have never been anyone that liked super high-myopes (not that I am judging). Anywhere between -2 and -6 or 7 is fine for me.

I hope you enjoyed my story Ė I have only recently discovered eyecene and I am so happy to have found people that think just like me and share my fascination.


Ginny 17 Jan 2018, 04:39

I was in heaven!! She handed me the prescription and said I could go and pick up new frames. I thanked her and went outside. But before out of the waiting room and out back to the shop where the frames were, I looked at the prescription she gave me.

And I nearly fainted. I think I might have actually gasped in excitement. Luckily I was her last appointment before lunch so the waiting room was empty. The prescription slip read (and I really am not kidding you): Right: -2.75 Ė 0.75 A72, Left: -2.75 -0.25 A157. That was it for me. I had become seriously myopic and I could not wait to get my glasses.

I picked up a similar frame I already had. It was a classic, black rectangular frame. As I have a somewhat wide face It was also rather large. I was like in a dream, I donít remember a lot of what the salesperson told me about lenses, but I was educated enough through my fetish to know not to get thin lenses and crap like that ;). I had to wait for around 5 days for my glasses to arrive and when I finally received the text saying they are ready a few days later, I was just before my lunch break from work. I literally did not get anything to eat that lunch and headed straight to the shop. It seemed like ages. The assistant took his time looking for them and for a second it seemed like the had got it wrong and my glasses were still not ready. But thankfully they were.

I could see the black material and the lenses shining in their case. How strong would they look? How would my vision be. When he put them on to adjust them, I intentionally closed my eyes. I wanted him to fix them first before I looked through them. After bending the temples a little he handed them to me and I put them on. OMG I was even more in a dream than ever before. Everything was soo clear! I could read even the furthest traffic signs outside the shop Ė something I wasnít able to do in years. I looked in to the mirror and was more than satisfied. My glasses looked really strong!! Because they were a really large model and had huge lenses you could see substantial cut-ins and power-rings. I left the store and headed back to work. How easy it was now! My eyes seemed to relax. And my co-workers noticed quickly. Some of them even commented, that the glasses looked stronger then my old pair. And how happy was I when they tried them on and all the comments came like ďwow youíre really blindĒ etc. When I came back home in the evening and took them off the blur seemed even worse then before. Ofc I did not think one Moment of not wearing them full-time. My dream had finally come true!


Ginny 17 Jan 2018, 04:38

I continued this up until late November of last year, when I finally decided it was time. Indeed, it had become a challenge to function normally, the blur was becoming nearly unbearably. Watching TV was impossible and even recognising peopleís faces was nearly unmanageable. Also, my glasses from when I was 16 (which by then was nearly 8 years ago), did not seem to help at all.

So on a Monday morning in November I went to an optical shop to have my eyes tested for the first time in around 4 years. I was excited as I was sure I would get a prescription of around -1 at least. I was hoping for -1.5 but I did not want to get my hopes up.

So I made an appointment and showed up wearing my old glasses. The assistant of the optician was very nice. It waited not for long. They took my glasses, measured them and then had me look into the auto-refractor. I hoped the girl would say something but she seemed unimpressed. After a short while I was called to the optician and set in the famous chair. First she said that my eyes were healthy, after she had looked at them with a really bright lamp. Then she asked me to look through the machine (what I now know is called a phoropter) and put my lousy prescription in it. She did mention that she could see from the auto refractor that I would need a stronger prescription, so I was already safe. However, she said nothing about whether it was substantial or just a slight increase. I relaxed and decided to reply truthfully to her questions and not try to cheat to get a stronger prescription. With my current prescription, I could only make out the first two rows!! I could feel getting more and more excited with each click she made. I knew by now, how eye xams were conducted as I had read a lot about it on the internet to satisfy my obsession. The picture became clearer and clearer every time it clicked. Finally, we were done. I could not hold my excitement anymore. I wanted to know my prescription. And boy was I in for a treat. The optician looked at me with a serious face and said something like: ďyou have become substantially myopic, Ginny. It is not too bad, but the new glasses will surley make a lot of differenceĒ.


Ginny 17 Jan 2018, 04:37

Back then I didnít know anything about inducing myopia or I might have ordered a stronger pair just to get more myopic. Because I soon learned, that I really would have liked to really need those glasses. Still, my eyes seemed to be fine. And boy I tried everything just to convince somebody to get stronger glasses. I went for eye exams every three months, even went to different cities and of course different optical shops. I lied and tried to cheat on the eye exams, got my eyes dilated but nothing helped. My prescription stayed the same or changed to -0.5 sphere at the most. I was frustrated. Again, back then I did not even know I could order glasses online with a prescription I liked. So after I had turned 20 I gave up my desire to get stronger glasses. I wore the once I had as often as I could but with no intention or hope that I would ever need stronger glasses.

Around that time I started nursing school. I had long shifts and had to study hard. As you have to work and go to school at the same time, those years were not easy and money was tight. And, to be honest, I kinda forgot about the whole glasses thing.

Around two years ago, I started noticing my vision was slightly off when looking at distant objects. Suddenly, it all came back to me. Was this my dream coming true? I did not dare to think about it. I read up on the topic and heard about pseudo-myopia and how close work could, temporarily, make people myopic. I didnít want to get my hopes up so I decided to wait as long as I could before testing my eyes. Additionaly, I did a lot of near work in dim lights and at night in order to make myself more myopic. And I could tell that it was apparently working because I could notice my vision getting worse and worse. Boy was I happy when I couldnít read the numbers on the bus anymore. But I did not have my eyes tested as I wanted to get a real, substantial prescription.


Ginny 17 Jan 2018, 04:34

This might sound like a crazy (or even fake!) story to some of you, but it has happened to me and I think some of you might enjoy reading it.

I am 24 years old, half German, half British and I live in the southern part of Germany, where I am currently working as a ER-nurse.

Since my teenage years, I have been fascinated by glasses. And as I matured and got into puberty I developed what you might call a fetish (which many of you might be familiar with ;)). I got my glasses in first grade. They were for slight long-sightedness and some astigmatism. However, as I was still young, I forgot about them and did not wear them at all.

Sometime around my 16th birthday, I decided to get myself new glasses. I knew about my fascination back then. Plus, it was really fashionable to wear those big nerd glasses and everybody was doing it.

I hoped for a stronger prescription so I was full of excitement to have my eyes tested. I thought maybe I had some latent hyperopia and would get some kind of decent prescription. However, I was really disappointed that day. Not only had my hyperopia completely vanished, but the optician even suggested I need not to wear glasses at all and I should just get plane lenses if I wanted them for fashion purposes. I managed to convince her to give me a prescription nonetheless. It was, however, a ridiculous one. I had -0.25 of sphere in both eyes and an astigmatism of -0.5 in one and -0.25 in the other eye.

Still, I got those glasses and it felt wonderful to wear them. I wore my glasses as much as I could, even though the lenses looked like they had zero power in them. And most people trying them on could not even notice they were prescription. But I was firm in wearing them and soon everybody knew me as the girl who wore glasses without really needing them.


Billy A. 16 Jan 2018, 22:07

Alex

Just because he ruined his perfect eyesight. Now he is little bit cross-eyed and very unhappy..


Alex 16 Jan 2018, 13:33

Thanks for the info, Billy. Why was your friend crying? Did he end up noticeably cross-eyed or was he lamenting the fact he couldn't wear contact lenses?


Billy A. 16 Jan 2018, 12:45

Alex

First time, he was happy. But when he found he has really double vision and cannot recover, he way crying all the nights. For him, wearing prisms was fun, but now its necessary. He hates himself because of this...


 16 Jan 2018, 12:31

In answer to your questions

1) I'm 30 years old

2) I'm currently -2.50 in both eyes (no axis or cylinder)

3) I work for a small engineering firm (but at a computer all day)

4) I live just outside of London in England

Billy - is your friend happy having induced prism or does he regret it?


Cactus Jack 16 Jan 2018, 12:03

Alex,

It is easier to Induce the need for BO prism than it is to Induce Myopia. How much and how fast depends on the amount of BO prism and how much you wear them.

Could you provide the following information?

1. Your age?

2. Your complete prescription?

3. Your occupation?

4. Where you live? (country)

C.


Billy A. 16 Jan 2018, 12:00

Alex

It depends on your eye condition, age, power of the lenses and many other facts. Every person is different.. I have one friend who wore BO prisms every day, sometimes "from bed to bed", sometimes just a few hours... Now he has double vision and needs prisms fulltime. It doesn't take a long time. But as I said - everyone's different.


Alex 16 Jan 2018, 11:43

Would wearing prism glasses (base out) for around 2-3 hours in the evening (the only time I have available) result in me becoming dependent on them? If so, how long would this take?


denden 16 Jan 2018, 07:46

MROP,

That would be ideal for me, but looking at how old I am I'd be quite happy with even a -0.50 increase from my current prescription. I could have actually gone all out like you when I first started uni as it was a new social circle that wouldn't question my new glasses and I wasn't living with parents anymore. However I wanted to try and grow out of this desire to no avail. Now I wish I tried wearing strong glasses back then when my eyes were still versatile enough!

Anyway, you are at a slight advantage to me as you're two years younger. Hope your attempt goes well!


MROP 16 Jan 2018, 07:42

denden,

yeah same here. I'm ultimately aiming for around -1.75 to -2.00. But currently I wear -3.50 glasses and -3.25 contacts. Not together of course though haha.

Why not try some higher lenses and take strong tablets like painkillers for the headaches? I did that the first 2 days with my -3.50 glasses and after that I got used to them, so no more headaches!

I used to think I'd grow out of wanting them to be honest but never have!


denden 16 Jan 2018, 07:37

MROP,

I've been trying to get rid of this obsession but it's just not going away! No matter what I can't stop wanting more blurry vision. That being said, I only want it to a certain extent; anything over -3.00 would be annoying, between -1.00 and -2.00 is likely the sweet spot for me.

My right eye is a bit worse and I often simulate a blurry vision by blocking my left eye. It feels nice!

I'd gladly exchange my eyes with someone who is mildly myopic and hates glasses/contacts :)


MROP 16 Jan 2018, 07:30

Denden,

Not offended at all haha! Yeah most people would think weíre weird but Iím fine with it!

I love the feeling I get from it. The idea of actually needing some kind of lens correction is just nice to me. And the blur is like proof that I need these extra lenses! A long day of contact lens wear then taking them out is my favourite, because the blur always seems so much more noticeable and takes a lot longer to go!


denden 16 Jan 2018, 06:56

PS: Please don't get offended by the weirdo thing, I don't judge you at all, just acknowledging the fact that most people would find us strange for shunning the near-perfect vision we were 'blessed' with.


denden 16 Jan 2018, 06:34

MROP,

That's great to hear! I'm so happy I'm not the only weirdo who is trying to induce myopia on herself haha

Unfortunately my parents are really anti-glasses which prevented me from wearing strong prescriptions full-time back in high school. Maybe that's why I couldn't tolerate these glasses back then, as taking them on and off makes it much harder to get accustomed to them.

My prescription only got worse by -0.25 in each eye in 8 years, which is pathetic considering how long I've been trying for this, albeit on and off.

Just hope it's not too late now that I'm 23 already!


MROP 16 Jan 2018, 06:30

Denden,

I suppose so, I understand what you mean! If you look close enough you can notice!

It's about that for me too, I actually really enjoy a bit of blur and not being able to read some things at a distance. I've not got to the point where anything is a complete blur to me yet but things are certainly starting to become less clear and fuzzy-isa which I'm liking a lot!


denden 16 Jan 2018, 06:19

MROP,

It's actually easy to spot a contact lens wearer if you have an eye for detail - I certainly can. I will try ordering slightly stronger glasses again and see how I get on.

Interestingly, my desire for becoming more nearsighted isn't just about wearing glasses, but also I like being able to alternate between blurry and clear vision. As I said, I really enjoyed being able to do that when I was doing GOC. Do you enjoy blurry vision as well, or is it just about wearing glasses for you?


MROP 16 Jan 2018, 05:40

deaden

I don't really know where mine began, I've just always wanted glasses as long as I can remember. I'm shocked you can't tolerate any higher prescriptions, I'm fine with -3.50 all day long with no headaches or extra eye strain!

Glasses over contacts wouldn't be too bad for you though, I'm not sure how your friend noticed this! Maybe try it again with higher values.


denden 16 Jan 2018, 05:31

MROP,

Great to see someone else (also from the UK) with a similar goal to mine. Unfortunately I can't tolerate overcorrection like you do, even -0.50 more than my true prescription gives me a headache if I wear it for a long time. I live with my boyfriend so I can't fool around with glasses like that anyway.

If I may ask, how did your fascination with becoming nearsighted start? Mine started in high school, I would try on my friend's glasses and think how much I'd want to wear glasses myself too. I felt like people would judge me for wearing such a small prescription full-time so I got myself a pair in -1.25 and -1.75 to be worn over +0.75 contacts. Weirdly enough, I was enjoying the fake blurry vision so much I started going around with my plus contact lenses and only used the minus glasses when I needed to see. However a friend of mine asked me if I am wearing contacts once and since then I stopped going GOC. It would be awful if I got caught on this by anyone, as most nearsighted people I know hate having to wear glasses or contacts.


denden 16 Jan 2018, 04:57

For the past 8 years I've been wanting a moderately nearsighted vision (around -1.50ish) idk why I want that so much but it just doesn't go away. I have a very mild prescription atm (Left -0.25 SPH -0.25 CYL, Right -0.75 SPH) and I wear my true prescription full-time. I used to go GOC for a stronger prescription but then I stopped because it felt too silly and I was afraid people might notice and call me out on it. Can someone's myopia get worse after the age of 23?


MROP 15 Jan 2018, 16:18

Antonio

Yeah I do this anyway!!

Not going away for a while yet anyway just prepping in advance


antonio 15 Jan 2018, 15:18

MROP , make sure to put off your glasses for photos as so many glasses wearers do. Especially first ones :-)

Best regards antonio


MROP 15 Jan 2018, 14:44

Soundmanpt,

I've told those friends that I have contacts too. What I meant was, I've told them that I'm now myopic and need glasses all the time!!

I've actually told this friend that I'm getting contacts to wear most of the time. This is what she does too, so wearing contacts around her won't be a problem. I'm going to wear -2.00 glasses around her and leave my -3.50 glasses at home.


Soundmanpt 15 Jan 2018, 13:51

MROP

Isn't that a bit risky telling your friends around your home that you're going to be wearing glasses more often? I mean what are you going to say if you're out say for diner with your parents and you're wearing contacts and one of these friends happens to their for dinner too. They see you and they out of nowhere ask you where your glasses are? What are you going to say then with your parents sitting right their? You probably shouldn't say anything or even be seen outside of your house wearing glasses until your next visit home when you plan on coming home as a full time glasses wearer by then.

okay I assume this friend that's myopic is someone that you have known for a while and she thinks that you only recently started wearing weak glasses? Since she wears -3.25 glasses it would be very dangerous for you to wear your -3.50 glasses because if she were ever to ask to try your glasses on which is very possible, she would realize that your glasses are nearly the same prescription as hers and be very curious how your eyes could possibly be so bad in such a short time of wearing glasses. So it's going to be very tricky for you the whole time you're with her. Has she seen you since you started wearing glasses or will she be seeing you wearing glasses for the first time when you see her? If she will be seeing you for the first time wearing glasses i'm sure she is going to want to try your glasses and don't be surprised if she doesn't question you about how well your able to see without your glasses. So you better hope that your eyes are at least myopic enough to fool her. I'm sure it has probably been a while since she wore -1.50 glasses so she probably thinks -1.50 is pretty weak so she won't expect you to have too much trouble seeing without your glasses. So don't try to pretend that you can hardly see anything without glasses or she will know somethings up. I think you better hide your contacts the whole time your together. It would be much too risky of getting caught. You may just have to wear your -1.50 glasses all week and hide your -3.50 glasses away. At least wearing -1.50 glasses is better than nothing at all. Your eyes will still be over corrected which is still good at least.


antonio 15 Jan 2018, 13:42

MROP,

Make sure to have some glasses or contacts with you if you go out by night at unknown places now. Might help.:-) as I suspect you to beca little shortsighted now :-)

Best regards, antonio


antonio 15 Jan 2018, 13:38

Oh nice MROP.

If your new -2 ones arrive in time you could take your -1.5 ones as a spare pair with you like a real glasses wearer would do :-). If you show up right from the start with a -2 pair you may tell her you did not get glasses when problems girst arose, but went to the front rows first squinting before your eyes forced you to get these -2 to get them behind :-)

Wow I just learnt a new word and a new word for drscribing your sight currently, hazy. Very nice word I find and my eyes once saw like that bareeyed too :-). So I know how it is I guess.

If you ever like to chat about vision and sight, ... visit many of us on lenschat.com :-)

Hope you'll have a great holiday with sharp sight and your first holiday you 'll take some glasses with you, right ? :-)

Best regards, antonio


MROP 15 Jan 2018, 13:24

Antonio,

Also, I can see just fine in my -1.50 glasses. Without them everything is a little hazy but not blurry. Just not as clear and bright. Everything is more HD with them. So Iíd be able to go without at the moment, Iíd just rather not!


MROP 15 Jan 2018, 13:19

Antonio,

My contacts are -2.00 and -3.25. Iíve been wearing the -3.25 a lot more though, so Iíll take those with me.

I only donít want to go to an airport and flight bareeyed because Iím committed to becoming myopic. I could definitely cope without glasses there but want to wear them as part of my constant use. Iíd rather wear glasses though as ive heard contacts can get really dry during a flight.

Iíve just ordered some -2.00 glasses to wear on my trip that are the same frame as my -3.50 ones I wear now, so no questions will be asked. Iíve also cancelled my order for my -4.00 frames as Iíve realised I donít need them.


antonio 15 Jan 2018, 13:06

Good choice MROP,

how strong will the contacts be you will use there ?

How good can you see in your -1.5 pair for ex. text on tv screens ? Really hope youbcan read all the timetables at the airport in them. And please sneak above them to compare what you could or couldn't read bareeyed there.

Certainly -1.5 is a great starting pair for wearing glasses, part time or eben full time. Totally normal. My first part time glasses had that strength too.

Happy holiday and interesting to hear from you you don't want to be bareeyed on a flight or airport any longer? :-)

Best regards, antonio


MROP 15 Jan 2018, 11:31

Antonio,

Iím mostly going to be wearing my contacts around her so she wonít be able to tell then but yes, I think Iíll stick to my -1.50 pair when I have to wear my glasses around her for now.

My issue is Iím going to stay with her for a week soon and will obviously be meeting her at the airport with my glasses on as I donít want to fly in contacts. And at night Iíll be taking my contacts out and putting my glasses on. So Iíll take my -1.50 pair for this.


antonio 15 Jan 2018, 10:25

Hi MROP,

You can always tell, yours are broken and that's a spare pair of a friend, a bit strong, but you see much better than without. By the way, is that true ? :-).

But she might suspect you wear to strong probably. So I really would afvice you to wear the -1.5 spare pair from your car around her which should satisfy your eyes pretty good, am I right ?

Best regards, antonio


-14 15 Jan 2018, 10:22

Alex

With apologies to minus 5 I've found that BO prism helps with over correction. Just my experience.


MROP 15 Jan 2018, 09:54

Soundmanpt

Thanks. I've just told a few more friends from home that I'll be wearing glasses more actually. One is a myopic herself and wears -3.25 and actually commented that my eyes 'wont be as bad as hers yet' so I'll need to be careful wearing my -3.50 lenses around her.

Any idea how I could wear these and if she asks, explain that I need them? Maybe say that even though I don't see that much blur, my eyes are compensating so I need a higher prescription?


minus5wholuvsgwgs 15 Jan 2018, 08:47

don't go for prism maybe a little more minus


Alex 15 Jan 2018, 07:40

I'm a medium myope with -2.50 in both eyes. However, I'm thinking of ordering glasses online with the following prescription: -3.5 and 3 BO prism.

I'm 30 years old. Is there any hope of inducing (more) myopia and the real need for prism? Will wearing these glasses help me in my quest? What do you guys suggest?


Soundmanpt 14 Jan 2018, 15:21

MROP

I would say its at least a part of being myopic for sure because without your glasses contacts your eyes could be straining more a thus your eyes are working harder to focus and see things clearly now. With your glasses /contacts your eyes are more relaxed and feel more comfortable wearing glasses /contacts.

I think you can look forward to getting your first prescription for glasses when you go in Feb.


MROP 14 Jan 2018, 02:56

Also not sure if this is typical of Myopia but whenís i put my glasses on, my eyes kind of seem to relax? Like I feel my face physically relax and chill out a bit.


Soundmanpt 13 Jan 2018, 11:54

MROP

Yes I agree. You don't need to go any stronger than that since you also have contacts and can just wear wear your contacts under your glasses to add more power if necessary You really probably didn't need to order -4.00 glasses. You don't want your glasses looking too strong that might cause someone to ask unwanted questions about your glasses. You seem to be getting the results you're wanting by wearing the glasses and contacts you already have. It will be interesting to see what prescription you get when you go for you eye exam. I'm sure that you realize that eyesight isn't as good as it used to be anymore. Are you -2.00? No of course not but I wouldn't be at all surprised if your a least -.75 and maybe even -1.00 now. At -.50 you wouldn't be scared to drive without glasses because you would still be able to see well enough without glasses. But -.75 things would start to be blurry enough make you uncomfortable to drive without glasses. At -1.00 the blur would be enough to scare you from attempting to drive without glasses. You sound like you're in the -1.00 area now.


MROP 13 Jan 2018, 01:49

Soundmanpt, antonio,

I just ordered some -4.00 glasses actually but this is where Iím going to stop buying new glasses! If I want to increase more after this Iíll wear my -2.00 contacts with my -2.50 glasses, then my -3.50 glasses and so on!


Soundmanpt 12 Jan 2018, 10:20

MROP

I completely agree with "antonia", Everything you're describing shows every indication that your eyes are already at least slightly nearsighted. Your eyesight certainly isn't as good as it once was before you stared wearing glasses and contacts. Usually one of the first things someone notices first when they get glasses for the first time is now much clearer and bright everything is with their glasses. So apparently without either glasses or contacts things aren't nearly as clear or bright anymore. That is about what you should expect when you're prescribed your first glasses to correct your nearsightedness. As for driving, i'm sure that you are now so used to driving with either your glasses or contacts that just not having either on seems strange to you now. But since you seem much more scared about driving at night without correction I don't it's only because you gotten used to wearing correction as much as it that your eyes really aren't able to see well enough in the dark anymore which is very normal when you're nearsighted. Your night vision will always be slightly worse than it is in the daylight. At this point I really don't think, even if you wanted to,that you would be able to see well enough to ever drive without either glasses or contacts anymore at night. So I hope during the next 2 weeks that your at home you don't get caught in a situation where you're asked to drive a family member somewhere at night after you have removed you contacts for the day and you have to decide to either wear your spare glasses you keep in the car and be exposed about you're wearing glasses or you will be forced to attempt driving without glasses. I would hope if something like this were to happen that you would put on your glasses and just admit that you now need glasses but you didn't want to tell them. This would be a much better idea than attempting to drive if you aren't able to see well enough.

Sorry that you had to change you eye exam appointment but 3 extra weeks of wearing glasses and contacts should only allow your eyes to become even more dependent on your glasses and assure you of a nice first prescription. I'm sure with your parents being back at work you're going to enjoy being able to wear your glasses more often again even though your eyes seem to be comfortable wearing contacts. During the day are you back to wearing a pair of weak contacts along with your glasses are or you only wearing your strongest glasses? Are you feeling like you're about ready to increase your glasses again? Or will you just wear contacts along with glasses to increase the over correction.


antonio 11 Jan 2018, 23:39

Hi MROP,

I think I can now assure you from my own glasses experience that you are now already at least a little, perhaps already a bit more than only a little, shortsighted.

I remenber when I got my first -1.5 glasses and accidentally wore them :-), that colours especially of flowers were soo much brighter in them and edges looked more defined and more sharp in them very similar to what you described.

Also for me it sounds interesting that you show first signs of dependancy on glasses at least for certain activities as every first glasses wearer do or did, including me.

That first little panic when you are out forgetting contacts AND glasses at home and you only realize this when being outside thinking How can I cope now reading far halfblind in the dark is just soo typical for a first shortsighted glasses wearer, you can't imagine and we all have lived that.

So welcome MROP in our Myopic World you just entered for the first time.

If you have time try to read teletext or small text bareeyed on tv or sometimes take a short look over your glasses reading or looking far. Maybe you'll find out your lenses already work for you, so you will start to estimate them even more ? I sometimes do so myself.

In every case, best regards, antonio


MROP 11 Jan 2018, 03:15

Soundmanpt

Everything is definitely a whole lot clearer and brighter with my glasses than without! And yes, Iím usually driving with my contacts in so the spare glasses are for nighttime popping out emergencies really! The one time I went out without them though at night I did have a little panic until I remembered the spare pair, so I suppose thatís a good thing!

Iíve had to push my eye exam back to the end of February due to a family get together being on the day it was in January, and I canít get another appointment until 3 weeks later, but thatís not too much of a. Problem, as Iím sure even more constant wear by that point will help my cause!

I go back to university in 2 weeks, however now my parents are back at work Iím wearing my glasses throughout the day, then popping in contacts when they come home for a few hours before I go to bed, so full time correction is much easier again.

Wearing contacts now is like not having anything in front of my eyes, I completely forget that theyíre there!!!


antonio 07 Jan 2018, 12:15

Hi MROP,

Oh, you describe a first dependancy on your -1.5 glasses for driving by night.

That's interesting and typical for people starting to get shortsighted.

If you proceed soon other dependancies will follow.

I.m interested. Can you still read the blackboard at uni from the back bareeyed or do you have already a further dependancy on glasses there. Hope you want to know and will try out ? First glasses always are an adventure, aren't they ?

Best regards and a good 2018 to you annd all of us, antonio


Soundmanpt 06 Jan 2018, 09:48

MROP

Even for those couple hours what you're doing is allowing your eyes to refocus and they are going to try hard to return to your normal eyesight. Of course that's not want your eyes to do. But I totally understand because you really haven't been wearing contacts all that long so after wearing them all day i'm sure it feels good to take them off. Of course i'm sure that you're afraid to put on your glasses for fear of getting caught wearing them.

But on the good side of things, it really seems like wearing your wearing glasses and contacts is having some effect on your eyes. Even though things may not be as you say "particularly blurry" the fact that things don't seem to be as sharp as they were before you started wearing glasses and contacts is a very good sign. That is just about the way I would expect your eyes to see if you were prescribed -.50 or -.75 glasses. I have provided a number of young ladies with -.50 glasses that claimed to have perfect vision and they always tell me that with -.50 glasses everything seems clearer,brighter and sharper than without glasses. You won't really start to see actual blur until your vision gets to at least -1.00. But you should be quite happy when you go for your exam if you are prescribed even -.50 glasses. Who knows by then you might even get to -.75.

Another really good indication that your eyesight isn't as good as it used to be is not feeling comfortable driving at night any,ore without glasses. Like I told you before that is a very real sign of being nearsighted. So i'm glad to hear that you're keeping a backup pair of glasses in your car in case you were to forget your glasses or contacts so you could still see to drive safely. I assume anytime you drive you normally are wearing contacts day or night. I guess the only time you might need your glasses is if you had to drive somewhere after you have removed your contacts for the day? Don't forget when you get your eyes examined be sure to tell the doctor that you don't seem to be able to see as well as you used to when driving at night. This alone sure assure you of getting at least a weak prescription for glasses. I'm sure the next time you go home you don't only want to be wearing glasses full time but i'm sure you would love to able to show you family your prescription slip as well. So remember to ask for a copy of your prescription. Besides you're working hard to become myopic so i'm sure you want the proof in writing as well. Something tells me you might even frame it and hang it on your wall.

When do you go back to uni? Are you looking forward to that so you can start wearing your glasses everyday? I have a feeling you're really missing your glasses?


MROP 06 Jan 2018, 02:29

Soundmanpt,

Iím not bare eyed all day everyday, maybe just 2/3 hours in the evening when I need to take my contacts out but canít put my glasses straight on!

When bareeyed nothing is particularly blurry but feels less sharp. I also feel as if my eyes are working harder without glasses.

As far as driving at night is concerned, I donít feel comfortable doing that without glasses anymore. So much that I keep my old -1.50 pair in my car as an emergency if I forget as I wonít drive without them.


Soundmanpt 02 Jan 2018, 13:33

elle

Being 20 years old I can tell you that the door is beginning to close on you as far as increasing your myopia. Once you get in you're 20's your eyes could start to become stable at any time. The good news is that your eyes seem to be willing to become more myopic because you got your first glasses when you were 17 with a very normal first prescription of -.50/-.75. the when you were 18 you needed an increase to -1.00 in both eyes. Now you're at -2.00 in both eyes. I doubt that you were over prescribed because you wore your weaker contacts to get your eyes examined. At some point i'm sure that you removed your contacts.They examine your eyes with contacts / glasses then they test your eyes with your contacts or glasses. When you go they expect that your glasses or contacts are going to be weaker than what you're going to be needing. It also makes sense that your your eyes would change by about that amount between 18 and 20. So going from -1.00 to -2.00 seems about right. At -2.00 you are already in the area where you really should be wearing glasses full time. If you're wearing -2.00 contacts full time your eye should be getting pretty dependent on either your glasses or contacts. You're still able to get around your house okay without contacts or glasses because seeing from one wall to the other isn't that far away. In other words your still able to see short distances pretty well.but once you go outside everything changes. You're unable to see much of anything without either your glasses or contacts anymore.

i'm not sure how many people have tried on your -2.00 glasses but if they have perfect vision i'm sure your glasses seem strong to them. You're -.50 / -.75 and -1.00 glasses were pretty weak, but -2.00 isn't considered weak. Trust me your glasses aren't that weak. If you're wanting your eyes to to need -4.00 glasses you can simply hope tat over the next few years each year your eyes will get a little worse and you will continue needing stronger glasses every year. But at the same time your eyes could stop changing at anytime and become stable. So I would suggest that you go on line to a site like Zenni (zennioptical,com) and order stronger glasses than you're wearing now. You can get glasses in whatever prescription you want for as low as $6.95 but they have several hundred for under $13.00. If you're eyes are completely comfortable wearing -2.00 correction then you should be able to go up to at least -3.00 without ant problem. Once your eyes get comfortable wearing those glasses then go to -4.00. I highly suggest that since it's glasses you're wanting to wear that you start wearing glasses full time now. You're -2.00 glasses aren't weak and i'm sure anyone trying them on will find things are blurry with them on. If things are blurry for you when you take off you glasses when you are outside then things will be blurry for others trying on your glasses. You want people to start getting used to seeing you wearing glasses.


Soundmanpt 31 Dec 2017, 10:01

MROP

I have been wondering how you getting along with being at home and unable to wear any of your glasses. Very difficult trying to wear any type of over correction with your family so close by all the time. I'm sure you were in constant fear of getting caught anytime you were in your room and wearing glasses or someone finding your contact containers or contact solution. Once you decided to try inducing myopia you should have planned on letting your family know that you were now wearing glasses. You could have easily sid that you were having trouble seeing from the back of lecture halls and found out you needed glasses. That way you could have continued on from where Christmas break started uninterrupted. If now unable to wear either glasses or contacts you're taking a big step backwards and progress you were making is probably lost. When you get back to uni you're going to almost be starting over. So now that you're bare eyed are you noticing any change in your eyesight or are you back to seeing perfectly? When do you return to uni? Hope you have a wonderful new years eve as well as for 2018. Is it your resolution to be prescribed with -2.00 glasses during the coming year?


antonio 31 Dec 2017, 07:20

Hi MROP,

so have you often been bareeyed with your family for days ?

How is your sight now beeing bareeyed ?

Are you any squinty for far already or are you squinting in the dark when beeing bareeyed now for reading far signs or so ?

By the way I got new glasses -0.75 stronger myself

. Sort of an urgently naturally needed Christmas present for me :-)

Only wearing them outside for now, still adjusting to them.

Have a good New Year's Eve MROP,

Will you look bareeyed to all those fireworks ? :-)

Best regards, antonio

And a great myopic 2018 to all of us :-)


MROP 31 Dec 2017, 03:01

Antonio

Hi, thanks!

Itís going alright, has been hard since home to keep it up so ofe missed wearing any over correction for a few days. Iím going to focus on it properly again when I go back to uni a week tomorrow but have been dropping hints that I need my eyes tested, so next time i come home Iíll be able to wear my glasses freely!


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 11:01

elle

according to my experiences

wearing your glasses more,

will make you more confident wearing them,

also if itīs only at home.

thatīs always the first step.

I do now with a stronger pair, which I need now to

read far.

For me itīs always difficult to show up in a new pair of glasses,

but wearing them at first at home for some days will make me

more confident wearing them outside , I know

best regards, antonio


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 10:58

elle,

what did you wear your glasses for

the most so far ?

Can you try to extend or repeat that incident ?

Wear them where many people wear glasses naturally.

for students itīs just sooo normal to need them,

right ?

do some of your fellow students use them ?

part time or full time ? in lectures only ?

just do like some of them

make it more normal for you to be in them first,

always wearing them at home for example.

best regards, antonio


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 10:45

elle,

but I think already from -3 on

they will feel strong for other people

putting them on

best regards,

antonio


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 10:39

elle,.

what of all these suggestions might suit you best ?

any ideas ?

best regards,

antonio


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 10:37

elle,

I could guess you reach -3 at 21 or 22 and 1 or 2 yrs later -4.

But thatīs just a rough guess and I canīt forsee the future, you kno

best regards

antonio


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 10:35

or go to a lecture bareeyed

and put them on there for reading the board as so many others do.

Probably you will forget to put them off later,

wear them to eat to read the menues :-) or take

them off for reading them again there, if you like that more. Make yourself wearing them if needed. :-)

Wear them at home and when you are alone

as much as possible,

so they become more natural to you

when you wear them,

thatīs best to do I think,

I did too.

Wear them on a whole holiday all the time,

or a whole weekend(s),

some people start it like this t-o-o- :-)

best regards,

antonio


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 10:31

elle,

just make yourself neeeeding glasses,

by leaving off contacts,

what do you think about ?

I guess you will find out they arenīt just fashion

or optional for your eyes anymore already ?

as they were before as -0,75 or -1

have you ever gone bareeyed in the dark recently ? :-)

best regards, antonio


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 10:28

I think you should just get out of the house without wearing contacts.

And if your eyes long for your glasses in your bag then,

you know they are not too weak to wear.

Please try, Iīm interested to know where you will end in wearing them full time or not that day :-)

Thatīs the right try to find out they are already

essential to you.

As we know now, they are already essential for you

to attend a lecture.

If you get new ones, choose a big frame and cheap plastic lenses

with only 1,5 refraction index. That will make them look

thicker and thus stronger. no high index for you which is expensive anyway.

best regards, antonio


elle 30 Dec 2017, 10:23

yes i want them to be stronger before i wear them. i feel embarrassed wearing them because i feel like there too weak to wear all the time. i know i can't see the board without them at all

how can i be more confident to wear them more?

when do you think i will reach -4?


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 10:21

rehi elle,

okay, then you probably will reach -4, donīt worry,

do you plan to wear your glasses more then,

if they get stronger ?

I think if you wear -2 to a lecture thatīs very natural.

itīs clear you canīt read the board without even

that prescription !! Nobody would tell you they are weak there!

Weak glasses are -0,5 or -0,25 or -0,75 ones,

from -0,5 on you need them for lectures and driving nevertheless !

best regards,

antonio


elle 30 Dec 2017, 10:17

i mostly wear contacts that are -2. i rarely wear glasses only at home they are -2 is as well. yes i study a lot so hopefully i can get to -4


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 10:15

Hi elle,

-2,75 or -3 is something like a magical frontier,

where glasses become essential to wear all the time

to really most of the people needing them,

best regards, antonio


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 10:08

hi Elle

I think that effect starts from -3 on.

Definitly with -4.

Do you wear glasses, too ?

with -4 one is very unsure being bareeyed outside,

so you wouldnīt dare that any more

and even at home you would feel the same.

You wouldnīt normally want to be without glasses on

for a single instant from -2,75 or -3 on.

That was it for me.

So you are very near that point already.

With what lenses do you see okay now ?

-1 and -2 ?

do you study ? I think up to 24 you could reach -4 naturally

given your speed of worsening eyes you describe

best regards, antonio


elle 30 Dec 2017, 10:00

i mean i can see fine with -2 contacts. i want them to be blurry though so i need a higher prescription


elle 30 Dec 2017, 09:58

im not sure what i am over prescribed cause i can see fine with both of them. i was not bare eyed for the test i was just wearing my -0.75 contacts instead of -1.

i wear -2 contacts every day and see good with them. i want my eyes to need glasses more tho. i want to need them like i want people to try on my glasses and it be blurry. what prescription does that happen at?

how bad is -4? can you see anything?

how long would it take to get there naturally?


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 09:57

hi elle again,

if you like, come to

lenschat.com

there many of us here discuss vision related questions,

best regards, antonio


antonio 30 Dec 2017, 09:55

hi elle,

why do you think you are overpresribed ?

Did you do the whole eyetest in contacts,

telling your doctor you were bareeyed ?

that would lead to undercorrection.

my eyes changed until 24,

so if you study or read a lot,

probably your eyes could get naturally at -4,

where you couldnīt get around your house fine

without them in or glasses on

any longer, I know from my eyes :-)

but do you want that ?

best regards, antonio


elle 30 Dec 2017, 09:48

hi i am 20 years old and currently where -2 contacts in each eye. i got glasses first at 17 (-0.5 and -0.75) then a year later -1 and -1. now i'm at -2 in each eye. i think i got slightly over prescribed cause i wore old contacts to my doctors appointment (-0.75 instead of -1) by accident.

what do you think my prescription will get to? i can still go around my house fine without any correction but i want my prescription to be higher.

since i am 20, is it likely i will need stronger glasses? do you think i can get to -4 in my life?

thanks


antonio 27 Dec 2017, 16:31

Hi MROP,

I admire how much you wear your glasses and contacts.

Have you ever tried again to be bareeyed to feel your "natural" sight now ?

best regards and happy New Year

Antonio


MROP 23 Dec 2017, 01:59

Soundmanpt,

thatís exactly what I do yep!

When I go out with friends also i tend to wear my glasses just to give my eyes a rest from the contacts


Soundmanpt 22 Dec 2017, 12:37

MROP

I really like the looks of semi-rimless glasses on attractive young ladies. They don't usually cover too much of the face and the adjustable nose pads usually leaves marks on the nose which I like seeing. Years ago I dated a girl that wore semi-rimless glasses and it was always a turn on for me when she took off her glasses and there was dark marks on both sides of her nose. I asked her once if her glasses hurt her nose and she said they didn't but she didn't like the marks like I did.

Glad to hear that you're still constantly wearing some form of over correction. Like I have said that is very important for you to be doing. So when you wake up you slip your glasses on and wear them until you get up and put on your contacts. Do you also do that at night before you turn off the lights and go to sleep? You just have to hope that no one enters your room without first knocking. If that were to happen and they caught you wearing glasses all you could say is that you didn't know how to tell them that you were having trouble seeing the boards at uni so you went and got your eyes checked and you were prescribed glasses. Of course you don't want to get caught but just in case you need to be ready with an answer. I know you plan on starting to wear glasses when you come home in Feb after your eye exam. Would it be easier for you if you tell them on the phone in Feb that you got glasses? You know when you do go home and your wearing glasses some of your family members are going to want to try your glasses on. Keeping that in mind maybe when you go home you should your first -1.25 glasses along with your contacts. If you wear stronger glasses that could lead to to unwanted questions. -1.25 glasses is a very reasonable first prescription.

Good idea to start throwing some hints around your parents and letting them see you squinting is an even better idea. you can even comment that you have trouble seeing from the back of the lecture rooms and that you usually try and move closer so you can see better. You can even say that you think that you might need glasses soon. Are you going to tell them that you'e planing on getting your eye examined in Feb?


MROP 22 Dec 2017, 08:13

Soundmanpt,

Yeah, I like the idea of semi rimless but not sure they sit me the best so currently keep those for when Iím on my own!!

I am most comfortable in my -2.50 and -3.50 glasses.

Yes I am constantly wearing some form of over correction

Iím home for the holidays now and i do wish I could wear my glasses more but I keep them near my bed and wear them in the morning before I put my contacts in and go downstairs.

Iím going to start making hints soon yes, Iím trying to squint a or so pretty sure my parents will notice that!


antonio 22 Dec 2017, 06:10

Hi MROP,

Interesting you have 3 pairs of glasses already.

What prescriptions are in them and ehich ones do you wear most or not at all ?

Best regards, antonio


Soundmanpt 21 Dec 2017, 09:31

MROP

So you have been experimenting with all types of glasses which is a very good idea so once your eyes need to be wearing -2.00 glasses all the time you will already know which glasses are most comfortable to wear full time as well as which glasses looks best on you. After all your still only 21 and female so as much as you enjoy wearing glasses i'm sure you want to look att4ractive wearing glasses. So without counting the various prescriptions of the glasses which glasses were the most comfortable to wear and which glasses do you think you looked v=best wearing?

I know you have been wearing both glasses and contacts at the same time trying to push your eyes as much as possible. I'm glad that when you start to feel pain in your eyes you take off your glasses. But you still leave on your -3.25 contacts I assume? So your eye are still being over corrected by your contacts.

With Christmas almost here I assume that you will be going home for the holidays. So no more wearing glasses until the holidays are past and you're back at uni. When do you go back to uni? So while your at home you will be wearing contacts only. Are you going to miss not being able to wear your glasses? Are you going to be able to hide all of your contact lens stuff from your family without any problem? While your at home it might be a good time to start making comments about your eyesight not being as good as it once was and that you plan on getting your eyes checked in Feb.


MROP 21 Dec 2017, 01:29

Soundmanpt

One of my glasses are plastic framed with moulder nose pads, the other pair are metal full rimmed and the other semi rimless. I knew what suited me through sunglasses wear and am happy so far.


Soundmanpt 20 Dec 2017, 11:30

MROP

I just took a look at selectspecs.com and they seem to have a very nice selection of glasses. How were you able to decide on the size of glasses that would fit you best since you have never wore glasses until recently? Do all 3 pairs of your glasses fit your face perfectly. Even though I know you're thrilled to be wearing glasses you're still a woman and i'm sure that you want your glasses to fit and look good on you as well as ruining your once perfect eyesight. Their prices on glasses seems as good if nit better than Zenni. They even include the AR coating (anti-reflective) at no charge which is even better than Zenni. That coating should make your glasses very comfortable to wear because it really cuts down on glare and reflections. Have you been getting plastic frames or metal frames so far.Do any of your glasses have adjustable nose pads or are they just the molded plastic ones?


MROP 20 Dec 2017, 01:29

Soundmanpt

I have ordered from selectspecs.com (UK) and have ordered 3 frames in total, of 2 different styles, with the idea that I like to change things up a bit. I've explained to my friends that I've got two pairs as there was an offer on when I went for my eye test.

I'm not sure what style I plan on wearing yet!

Antonio, don't worry I am very careful with my glasses.

Like Lenses,

thanks for the links! I'll be sure to check them out


Likelenses 19 Dec 2017, 23:59

MROP

Here are two vision tests that are pretty accurate.

http://www.finestglasses.com/tryon/visiontest.html

http://www.zeiss.com/vision-care/en_de/better-vision/better-vision-with-zeiss/zeiss-online-vision-screening-check.html

Or you can do this more accurate one on your smart phone, but there is a charge. However they will issue you a prescription.

http://www.opternative.com/how-it-works


Likelenses 19 Dec 2017, 23:40

MROP

Here is a good tool to check your actual progress.

http://endmyopia.org/focal-calculator/calc.html


antonio 19 Dec 2017, 21:55

Hi MROP.

I guess you already have thought about,

but to need glasses can also be a problem in special

situations. If you do require them to see clearly you always have to make sure they are placed safely on a known place near your bed, on rain your lenses get wet snd all your life you have to ensure that they don't fall off your nose when a person near you in a crowd suddenly moves his arms for ecample. Anyone who might not like you in life can easily make you halfblind by just removing your glasses. If they are damaged, you are in trouble and really wish for another pair. Not to mention if you travel to poorer countries or in wild nature where you might not be able to get another pair. Not to mention places like Syria now where probably nearly nobody gets a new pair of glasses when they are damaged.

So please think twice of what you do.

Best shortsighted greetings, antonio


Likelenses 19 Dec 2017, 19:45

MROP

You mentioned that you are reading close. That is very important. Books at no farther than eight inches, and computer no farther tan ten inches.

Try also to form a habit of squinting when looking at distant things.

All of these while wearing glasses of course.

Depending on where you live, you may be required to get a new updated drivers license with a statement that you now need to be wearing glasses when driving, and a new photo of you with glasses on.


antonio 19 Dec 2017, 12:20

Hi MROP,

yes I think beginning shortsightness always shows at first by halos around lights at night or when reading slightly blurry signs later than you could before.

But as you describe your eyes seem to start to long for glasses even in daylight now ?

Hope you can try to attend a lecture in a big lecture hall from behind again bareeyed.

If you can't read you are already shortsighted. And even if it takes some time for you to focus on words on the blackboard until you can read them or if you have to squint your eyes a little to get them sharper for you all these are signs of your beginning shortsightness many of us here have seen before.

Will be interesting if you can still attend such a lecture bareeyed or if you end up in glasses :-)

Best regards, antonio


Soundmanpt 19 Dec 2017, 09:22

MROP

Just curious, where have you been ordering your glasses from? Have you been ordering the same frame and just ordering them with stronger lenses each time or have you bee getting completely different glasses? If you get completely different glasses I think people at uni may question why you have new glasses so often. Can you describe your glasses or maybe even post a picture of your glasses? Since you started wearing glasses ave yo decided what style of glasses you plan on wearing if you're able to make your eyes myopic and need -2.00 glasses as your full time glasses.You really seem to enjoy wearing glasses and the fact that things are becoming more and more blurry without your glasses.That's what makes it even more exciting because you're able to see the results of your efforts.


MROP 19 Dec 2017, 06:31

Antonio!

Thanks, donít worry Iím not pushing myself! Iím all good.

Am excited to be joining your blurry world through becoming myopic! I just love the rush that wearing glasses and feeling that they benefit me gives me!!!! When Iím not wearing them now (very little) I almost feel that my eyes are pushing for something better, even though there isnít blur during the day! Almost as if theyíre trying to accommodate!

Iím excited for my eye exam in Feburary


antonio 18 Dec 2017, 00:00

MROP, welcome to our blurry shortsighted world then where glasses are needed to drive snd for so many things more.

But please take Soundman's warning seriously. Wearing too much overcorrection with strong contacts snd strong glasses above could cause retinal detaching which leads to blindness, if not laser operated in about hours.

I know a natural high myope about -10 who has damaged retinas like that. Really bad, he's blind in one eye and not good in the other.

Pleassse don't push it forward as hard as you do now. Wearing glasses OR contacts should really be enough for you. Don't do it both at a time.

Best regards, shortsighted fellow :-), antonio

Visit some of us on lenschat.com to talk about vision and glasses :-)


MROP 17 Dec 2017, 15:51

Soundmanpt,

Iím not getting any pain no but when it gets a bit too much I do take the glasses off!

Yeah the blur is a lot lot longer and for about 10 minuted after, despite the blur being gone then I feel that not everything is as clear. When driving I definitely feel I need glasses now to see as well as I could before. I wear my -3.50 glasses when driving! I find that theyíre fine.

Hopefully Iíll be able to get a prescription! Itís encouraging that you think Iíd be able to get -.50 now.


Soundmanpt 17 Dec 2017, 13:02

MROP

That's what I thought you meant. Just be careful not to push your eyes too much. Remember you only want to make yourself a little bit myopic not do any serious harm to your eyes. Are you feeling any pain in your eyes when you're doing close work with glasses and contacts on? If so I would suggest taking off your glasses to give your eyes a slight break from so much over correction.

But it seems like all the extra over correction is having an effect on your eyes if the blur is starting to last a lot longer now when you're not wearing glasses and or contacts. Your night vision seems to considerably worse now than it was before you started wearing glasses and I assume it is slowly getting worse now that your wearing even stronger glasses than when you started. Are you now wearing glasses when you drive? What prescription are you wearing? You must be feeling like you really do need glasses in order to see well enough to drive.

i think you have a very good chance of being given an actual prescription for glasses in Feb. No doctor will ever prescribe glasses of -.25 but I have a feeling you will get at least a prescription fr -.50 glasses. In fact if you were to go tomorrow I think if you told the doctor about having trouble with seeing at night when driving that alone should get you a prescription of -.50.


rollin 17 Dec 2017, 00:32

sorry wrong thread, I'm reposting to the correct (GOC) thread


rollin 17 Dec 2017, 00:30

Want GOC for night driving. Don't want to remove contacts in the car.

Multifocal contacts Rx is

R +2 +2 N

L +2 +1.5 D

Driving vision is perfect when I wear +1 readers with no contacts.

I am guessing it might be -1 -1 glasses over the multifocals, what do y'all think? Eye doctor has dragged his feet on this, could use some advice about next steps.


MROP 16 Dec 2017, 16:55

Soundmanpt

I am wearing a constant -3.50/-3.25 correction with either contacts or glasses. When I am doing uni work I am trying to wear my 3.-50 glasses over my -3.25 contacts, just to push my eyes a little but not constantly.

The good news is since wearing -3.50/3.25 more often, the blur when removing the contacts/glasses is lasting a lot lot longer.

Iím pretty sure my eyesight is beginning to change as Iím noticing differences at night as mentioned before.


Cactus Jack 16 Dec 2017, 13:12

Soundmanpt,

I don't think Pseudo Myopia (which is the kind initially Induced by wearing Minus Over Correction), is a common source of Retinal Detachment. It is a real concern for people with high Axial Myopia caused by excessively long eyeballs, which DOES stress the Retinal attachment tissue.

MROP may develop a little Axial Myopia, but at 20, she should have enough Accommodation Amplitude to be able to read with that much Minus, after her Ciliary Muscles are strong enough. To my knowledge there is no way to predict her ultimate prescription except by trying.

C.


Soundmanpt 16 Dec 2017, 10:42

MROP

So if I am reading your post correctly you're wearing your -3.25 contacts with you're new -3.50 glasses over the top of your contacts? So combined you're actually wearing -6.75 correction. That's a lot of over correction. Are you able to see well enough to function okay? Be careful with trying to push things too hard you don't want to cause a detached retina. Do you feel like your eyesight isn't as good now as it was before you started wearing glasses?


MROP 15 Dec 2017, 01:17

Sorry I meant -3.50 glasses


MROP 15 Dec 2017, 01:17

Soundmanpt

Today is my first day in my -3.25 contacts and theyíre great! Iím trying to wear them with me -4.50 glasses when reading for uni as I really want to push my eyes!


Soundmanpt 13 Dec 2017, 12:44

MROP

I'm sure it was and still is an awesome feeling. But when you first start wearing glasses for the first time. It's so exciting to feel your eyes adjusting to the prescription of your glasses. Feeling the clarity, sharpness and intensity you're able to see wearing your glasses is amazing. You feel like you never want to take your glasses off.

I helped 2 opticians that both had perfect vision do GOC (glasses over contacts) several years ago. Both for different reasons. The first one was a young lady just out of college and she was panning on starting optometry school to become an optometrist. So she decided to get a job at a local optical store thinking that be a help t her in becoming a doctor. I met her because I was going their to collect the donated glasses for a non profit vision group I was with. We became instant friends. Besides being very pretty she was was very friendly and outgoing. She told me that her dad was a dentist and her older sister a pharmacist. I asked her why shew wanted to be an optometrist since she didn't even need glasses herself? She just said that she thought eyes were very interesting. The more we talked the more I learned about her. She admitted that she was very curious what it was like to wear glasses. She told me that while her sister was away at college she found some of her sisters old glasses in a drawer in her room and she tried to wear the weakest ones. But after a few minutes she started to get a headaches so that was the end of that test. She even tried on several of her friends glasses but they were all too strong for her eyes. I happened to remember that i had a really cute pair of glasses with -1.50 lenses in my car that was a sample test pair. I told Amanda, that is her name bu the way, to go and get a pair of +1.50 trial contact lenses. and that I would be right back. I went and got the glasses and when I came back Amanda handed me the 2 packs of contact lenses. I smiled and said that she should put them on. She looked at me with a very curious look. She sat across from me as she put each lens on while looking in a table top mirror. When she finished she looked up and i could tell instantly that she wasn't able to see very well. I think she was surprised that she couldn't see very well. She was trying to focus her eyes on a sign across the room and could tell she wasn't able to read it even squinting her eyes tightly. I said "so are things a little blurry now?" she smiled and said everything was blurry. I then opened up the glasses and had her look at me so I could slip the glasses on her. As soon as the glasses were in place and she looked around she was amazed that she was now able to see everything perfectly again. She was like a kid on Christmas morning that just got her favorite gift. She couldn't stop testing her eyes with the glasses. Then she would pull the glassed so she could look over the top of them and she was again squinting trying hard to make out words on signs that she simply couldn't see without the glasses. Finally she pushed the glasses back in place and she looked at me and said she loved it. She got up and came around to my side of the table and gave me a big hug as she thanked me for showing her what it was like to wear glasses. I only thought this was going to be a short little test to show her what it was like to need glasses but she clearly was enjoying it far more than I expected. She had no intention of taking off her glasses or the contacts. I had some errands to run so I told her I would go and do them and stop back by before heading home. I was gone for over 3 hours before returning. When I came back she was with a patient and still wearing the glasses. She seemed very comfortable wearing them and didnd't seem to have any problem wit replacing the nose pads for her patient which could have posed a problem if she was fully adjusted to the prescription of the glasses and contacts. I waited until the patient left before going in. I asked her if she had any problem with replacing the nose pads and she said she did at first because her eyes were looking under her glasses at first and she couldn't even see the screw. She went to the back and came back with a small bottle and she took of her glasses and put some drops in her eyes. I asked her if she was okay? She said that she wasn't used to wearing contacts and after having them on for what was now over 4 hours her eyes felt dry. She said the drops were a big help and she put her glasses back on. As it turned out she borrowed my glasses for over 6 weeks before I got them back. She was even wearing them to work everyday because she loved wearing glasses. The doctor at the store wanted to be sure that she wasn't doing any harm to her eyes and insisted on doing a quick eye exam with her wearing her GOC combination. The test showed that with her contacts and glasses her eyesight was a perfect 20/20 Without the glasses and contacts only she was 20/70. The doctor told her it was fine for her to wear the GOC combination since it was doing no harm to her eyesight.

The other case was much different. A young optician at my local Costco store that I often talked to was very excited because she was about to celebrate her one year anniversary at the store. That also meant that she could now choose her free pair of glasses after getting her eyes examined. She showed me six pairs that she was considering as her free pair. These were going to be her first pair of glasses and she didn't know if she needed a prescription or not because she hadn't had a real eye exam for many years. Anyway the next time I saw her she was very disappointed. She had her eye exam and she didn't need any prescription so she was fine with that and still planned on getting her glasses made as non prescription anyway. But Costco has a rule that you can only get glasses as long as they are prescription. I suggested to her that she should just order them with a weak -.50 prescription but she was afraid that might ruin her eyesight and she didn't really want to do that. So i convinced her to try doing GOC So I loaned her a pair of glasses that I had that were -1.00 and told her to pull out a few packs of +1.00 trial contacts so she could wear GOC away form work to see how she liked it. She called me a bout a week later and said that she loved it and loved wearing glasses as well. So she went ahead and ordered the glasses she wanted in -1.00 and I saw her quite a few times at work wearing her glasses.


Stingray 13 Dec 2017, 11:34

I read that these virtual reality headsets can bring on the onset of myopia to as much as -6.50 based on someone who wears the headset hours a day and has little or no myopia to begin with. Here is the article:

http://endmyopia.org/virtual-reality-the-next-myopia-tsunami/


MROP 13 Dec 2017, 01:38

Soundmanpt,

The first time wearing my glasses I felt awesome! I like the idea of needing to wear them so hopefully that'll come soon! The blurriness when I take them off is something I've always enjoyed and continue to do so, let's just hope it hangs around a lot longer!

I've now ordered some -5.00 glasses that should come sometime in the next 2 weeks. I wanted to try and push myself a little!


Cactus Jack 11 Dec 2017, 23:43

iamhacked,

Sounds reasonable. You might try a pack of 30, One Day Disposables. If the -1.50s are comfortable, increase the Sphere power to -2.00 and then -2.50 or even -3.00.

You need to keep the stress on all the time, but don't sleep with the CLs in. If you happen to fall asleep and they get stuck, you can float them off your corneas with either sterile saline solution, B&L Distilled Water solution, artificial tears, or multi-purpose solution. All are pH balanced and typically don't sting.

If you decide to do the same thing by increasing the Sphere in your glasses, just remember to keep the same frames style if possible. Few people will notice the prescription change, but many will notice a change in frame style/

C.


iamhacked 11 Dec 2017, 20:12

My prescription is currently this:

Right SPH: -1.00, CYL: -2.25, AXIS: 179

Left SPH: -2.25, CYL:-2.00, AXIS: 006

I have toric contact lenses that I boosted 0.25D in sphere for the left eye, and 0.50D for the right eye. However I don't usually wear contact lenses that often.

My prescription has been stable for the last 5 or 6 years, and I'm only 20 years old. So I am looking to induce some myopia using disposable contact lenses in addition to my current glasses. What would be a good starting prescription for the disposable contact lenses? When I wear my glasses upside down (as in left eye lens goes to the right eye), I don't notice much difference or strain except that my vision is a bit clearer, and that's a 1.25D difference. Does -1.50D contacts for both eyes sound like a good starting point? Please let me know.


Soundmanpt 11 Dec 2017, 09:51

MROP

By telling everyone at your uni that your going to be wearing glasses full time is a very good idea because it will force you to wear your glasses even if there may be times when you really might not want to be wearing glasses. I'm not at all surprised that no one made anything out of at fact that your going to be wearing glasses full time. Being in college or at uni it's almost expected that you and others may start needing to wear glasses. It's very normal if you think about it. I don't expect your family to be too surprised either when they see you wearing your glasses for the first time. You're clearly going to be nervous wearing your glasses for the first time in front of them but honestly I don't think they are going to be that surprised. They will simply assume that the strain of so much reading and studying effected your eyesight. All that will happen is everyone is going ot tell you how cute you look wearing glasses now. I'm sure you don't mind getting lots of complements on your glasses look.

I think shooting for an actual prescription of around -2.00 is a very good and realist goal. You have already been wearing glasses close to that so you should have a pretty good idea what your eyesight would be like without your glasses. Pretty much what you see when you first take your glasses off now. Anything more than a few feet or a few meters in front of without your glasses would be increasingly more blurry. Certainly enough to require you to wear your glasses full time which is what you want to be told by an optometrists.

When you got your first pair of -1.25 glasses, which by the way was a perfect prescription for you to start with since you had perfect eyesight and had never worn glasses before. How did it feel to wearing glasses for the first time? Was it exciting? Did you have any trouble getting used to wearing glasses? Were you surprised after wearing your glasses for a short time how blurry everything was when you took them off? And were you surprised at how easily your eyes adjusted to your glasses and you were able to see perfect wearing them? Sorry for so many questions but it is always interesting to hear someones first reactions to wearing glasses for the first time.


MROP 10 Dec 2017, 10:19

Soundmanpt

Thanks for your reply! Iíll order the -4.50 soon so I have them ready! Iím quite excited for this. Iíve already told everyone I go to uni with that I need glasses now and have to wear them full time and no one is phased or asking any questions.

Hoping to ultimately need -2.00 by the end of this but perhaps thatís being a little optimistic! Iíll update you in the next week as to how constant wear of the -3.50 goes.


Soundmanpt 10 Dec 2017, 09:57

MORP

That's exactly what you want to do. You should probably order your -4.50 glasses in a couple of weeks because as you know once you order your glasses it usually takes at least 2 weeks for them to arrive. That way you will have your glasses when your eyes begin to feel comfortable with your current glasses. Glad to hear that you have short nails because i'm sure you wouldn't want any setback because of a scratched cornea.

When anyone is starting to become nearsighted they notice it more at night than during the day. So your not being as able to see as well as you used without glasses is a pretty good indication that your eyes are starting to change. And things in the far distance not being as clear as they were in the past is another good sign.

When you go for your exam in Feb.do the test as best as possible but if you want to be sure to get a prescription I would highly suggest that when filling out forms and it ask your reason for getting an eye exam be sure to say that you seem to be having difficulty when driving at night with seeing raod signs as clearly as you used to. And of course you should even mention that during your eye exam. Doing this should at the very least get you a weak prescription. But at the same let's hope that you're unable to read the letters on the eye chart like you used to be able to. But whatever the real results you need to tell your family that you were prescribed glasses that you will need to wear full time. If they should ask why tell them that your nearsighted and you have astigmatisms which is why you need to wear them all the time.


MROP 09 Dec 2017, 15:49

Soundmanpt

Perfect thank you! I plan to go up to -4.50 glasses as soon as these feel comfortable, maybe in a few weeks!

I have short nails so putting contacts in is fine!

I am finding that driving at night, all of the signs that are light up are fuzzy and the neon lights blur the words a little. Things in the really far distance are also kind of not as sharp but are still very clear.

I plan to tell my family that I wear glasses after my eye exam yes


Soundmanpt 09 Dec 2017, 14:01

MROP

Considering that you only started wearing glasses in early November and that you started with perfect eyesight I think you're doing doing very well if your now wearing -3.50 glasses on a regular basis. You want and need for your eyes to feel somewhat uncomfortable wearing the stronger glasses. That means your eyes are working hard to stay focused with your glasses. Once your eyes start to feel comfortable wearing your -3.50 glasses then that is the when you need to get stronger glasses. The stronger the glasses you're able to wear the faster you should start to become myopic. Because you're already 21 you're nearing the age where it will get harder and harder for you to induce any myopia you don't have any time to waste. But the main thing is that you need to have your eyes constantly over corrected every minute that you have your eyes open. Wearing your glasses for 15 hours and taking them off for one hour is the same as not wearing any glasses at all that day. You need for your eyes to be constantly stressed by wearing your glasses or contacts. Also being in uni try and hold any reading material as close to your eyes as possible when your studying or reading with your glasses on of course. Of course what you want is for your eyes to stay blurry longer and longer when you do take off your glasses. If your at 10 seconds now you want to be at 20 seconds in the coming days and so on. Now the full blur maybe going away in 10 seconds but I wonder if your vision is still perfect after that? It could be that you don't notice that your longer distance vision may not be perfect anymore.

There is no way to predict if your eyesight will still be perfect in Feb. or if by then you may have induced some myopia. All you can do is continue working at it as hard as you can. Are you slowly getting better at putting and taking off your contacts? I assume with the name "Molly Roger" that you're a female so if you have long fingernails you need to be extremely careful putting them on and taking them off not to scratch your cornea. That would be very hard to explain to your family and you wouldn't be able to wear contacts for sometime

Just curious if you go for your eye exam in Feb and you are given a weak prescription for glasses are you going to start wearing glasses in front of your family? At what point do you plan on wearing glasses in front of them?


MROP 09 Dec 2017, 01:24

Soundmanpt

So Iím currently wearing -3.50 glasses which are taking some getting used to but I can see fine from them. Iíve got some -2.00 contacts that Iím wearing around family at the moment until I go for my eye test, but have just ordered some -3.00 ones so they match the strength of my glasses.

How long should I keep this up before an eyetest?


Moonshiner 08 Dec 2017, 02:07

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Soundmanpt 07 Dec 2017, 11:52

MROP

So what is the latest update with you? Exactly what prescription are you wearing now? You really need to find the strongest prescription that you can wear with just a little bit of stress on your eyes. You want your eyes to be a little stressed but at the same time you need to be able to see up close as well as distances with either glasses or contacts. But most important is always wearing over correction at all times.


MROP original poster 28 Nov 2017, 05:38

Update: Contacts arrived. Despite taking me about half hour to get them both in properly, everything is clearly and reading up close isn't a problem. I'm aware that I'm wearing them but suspect I need to get used to them before I'll forget that they're there.

I'm currently wearing my -1.50 glasses on top of them and am only having mild discomfort when reading close. So maybe this the way forward?


MROP Original Poster 28 Nov 2017, 02:15

After all that fuss below on the thread, bringing it back to my point aha.

Okay so I've been wearing my -1.50 glasses constantly and it's like they're not even there now. I also went and got fitted for contact lenses (I said for fancy dress purposes) so have ordered my own in -2.00 and they are due to come today (hurray for 24 hr delivery!) I plan to wear these whenever I can't wear my glasses ( i.e., when home with family for now) I have also ordered some -2.50 glasses that are being made and are on their way.When the -2.50 glasses come, I plan to wear them when I'm not wearing my contact lenses.

Update with my -1.50 glasses : Comfortable to the point that I don't know that I'm wearing them. Reading is completely comfortable and I'm reading at extremely close distances where it's a little uncomfortable but still readable, just to push my eyes a little. When I take them off, I do get momentary blur and in the evening, taking them off results in about ten minutes of fuzziness. Ive also discovered that when driving at night, my eyesight is definitely not what it used to be. Lights are blurred and I have to be a lot closer to signs to see them than previously. In the day things are a little fuzzy driving but nothing that I would notice if I wasn't looking out for it.

I'm planning an eye exam around February ( since it will be a year since my last one then) so do you think with this continued use plan I could induce some myopia by this point? I'm aiming for -2.00 overall but probably around -0.25/-0.50 in this exam.

Thanks in advance!


MROP 24 Nov 2017, 00:55

Obviously that last post wasnít me.

My goal is to be myopic and need correction in some at, not just through glasses! But I will start with them.


Soundmanpt 24 Nov 2017, 00:22

MROP

I agree with"Cactus Jack" I am correct that your goal is not only "induce myopia" but also to wear glasses on a permanent basis? I'm not sure why you feel the need to bother with contacts? The only reason seems to be because you don't want your family to know that you're wearing glasses. But this is exactly when you should be wearing your weaker glasses around them and do as Cactus Jack suggested to you. Just tell everyone that while at school you were having difficulty seeing the board at school so you got your eyes examined and were prescribed glasses. You were told that because you have astigmatisms (which of course you don't have) you need to wear your glasses full time. You can even say that you were told that you may need a stronger prescription once your eyes adjust to your glasses. That will explain your getting new glasses when they arrive. Getting contacts is only going to make it harder for you explain when you do need to start wearing glasses. Forget the contact idea. Not to mention it will save you a lot of money as well. Getting glasses is much cheaper than contacts.


MROP 23 Nov 2017, 15:49

Cactus Jack,

Thanks for your reply. (Itís Molly Rogers, changed nickname)

Iíll definitely order some -2.50 glasses tomorrow. Hopefully Iíll get used to them pretty quickly.

Do you believe that I will be able to induce some myopia myself? I want to be able to need glasses. My personal goal is around -2.00 permanently but would be interested to see if you think I can achieve this. Obviously I started off with a lower power to ease myself in but am happy to build my way up.

My aim is to be having an eye exam in around 4-5 months and being told Iím slightly myopic. Is this a realistic goal?

Also the headaches Iím getting when i donít wear my glasses, does this suggest itís working?

Iím going to get measured for contacts next week. So il order some online then.


Cactus Jack 23 Nov 2017, 09:58

Molly Rogers,

Maybe.

You have the right idea, but it takes longer than a few weeks.

Contact have the same effect as glasses, but you need an exam for them, instruction about how to insert / remove them, and very Importantly how to care for them.

You SHOULD NOT order contact lenses without knowing the Lens Diameter and Base Curve. Poorly fitted Contact Lenses do not allow enough tears and oxygen to gt to the Cornea if too tight or they will tend to float out of position if too loose. Your Corneas DO NOT have any blood supply. They are living tissue that get their nutrients from tears and oxygen from the air.

There is a way to get contacts if you don't presently need a prescription. People often wear contact for changing their eye color or as part of a costume (e.g. Halloween). If you get an exam for changing your eye color, you will find out your Base Curve (BC) and Diamete (Die)r, how to insert / remove them, and how to care for them.

Once you have your BC and Did, you can order any power online.

For now, I suggest glasses. One thing you can do, is wear them if you go home for the year end holidays. There will be some questions, but it is very common for University students with high reading workloads, to develop some Myopia. Being a bit nearsighted is actually a help when reading, but it makes seeing distant objects, such as the board in a classroom very problematic. The only explanation you should need to give is that you were having trouble reading things on the board or screen in the classroom and you got an eye exam.

There are two kinds of Myopia. Axial or True Myopia and Pseudo or False Myopia. Axial Myopia is caused by a mismatch between the TOTAL PLUS power of your eye's lens system and the length of your eyeballs. There is usually a genetic component in developing Axial Myopia it takes a long time and is considered permanent.

Pseudo Myopia is what you briefly experience when you take off your glasses. It is caused by your Ciliary Muscles being slow to relax after squeezing your Crystalline Lenses to increase their Plus power to compensate for the -1.50 glasses. If you wear the glasses as much as possible, you may develop some Pseudo Myopia that takes longer to resolve when you take off your glasses. Pseudo Myopia is considered to be temporary, but temporary can be a long time.

If you are having no problems with the -1.50 glasses, you should probably order some -2.50 glasses. When you get comfortable with those, consider -3.00 or even -3.50

I can also suggest a Simple Eye Test you can do in your room that is amazingly accurate, to measure your progress.

Hope this helps.

C,


Molly Rogers 23 Nov 2017, 05:10

Hello! Hoping someone can help me out. Iíve wanted glasses for as long as I can remember, but have perfect eyesight. I went for an eye test 6 months ago and got told there was no need for any correction.

Since then, in fact the last few weeks, Iíve bought myself a paid of -1.50 lglasses and have been wearing them as much as possible. Iíve found that I can see perfectly clearly through them, get no headaches and have gotten used to them pretty well. I also find that when I take them off I get around 10 seconds of blur that seems to be increasing. Interestingly, the last few days Iíve been finding that without them, Iím getting tired easily with more headaches. Is this my eyes getting used to and needing my glasses?

Iím using them for everyday use, but not around family as they would ask questions. Fortunately Iím in uni so can wear them pretty much 24/7.

My question is, am I likely to be able to induce some myopia if I keep this up? I am considering buying contacts with this power in also and wearing them all day every day to try and help my cause, will this do the same job? How long can i expect to be doing this before I can take an eye exam that will show I am slightly myopic?

I am a 21 year old student.

I study an awful lot ( and keep my glasses on for close work)

Thank you


Billy A 20 Nov 2017, 00:24

Cactus Jack,

Our army needs workers, if someone have -8d or more (or is fat etc) will get job for example in the kitchen, office or somewhere, where can be "hidden". A few years ago was limit for army service -6d, but now we have no limits.

Shortsighted army, yeah :)


Cactus Jack 19 Nov 2017, 10:27

Billy A,

A person who needs -8 or more and is correctable to "normal" vision 6/6 or 20/20 is able to function without difficulty in almost all visual environments. The big concern is their ability to function without vision correction. In other words how can they function if something happens to their glasses. A person who needs -8 glasses experiences increasingly blurry vision beyond about 12 cm or 5 inches without their glasses. If they also have some Astigmatism, the distance may be less.

People who need that amount of vision correction can do quite well in a support or technical role where it is unlikely that they would loose their glasses or they would get broken. Also, it is pretty common for people whose performance would be compromised if they did not have vision correction, are supplied with two pair of glasses.

As a very practical matter, the cut off point for vision requirements depends on the availability of "warm bodies".

C.


Billy A 19 Nov 2017, 00:43

Cactus Jack,

Induce myopia for exemption from military service,interesting :) In my location, if someone have -8, will not be exempted, but corrected.

I love glasses with thick lenses & how i look with, -5.5 is not enough to be fully satisfied :)

With GOC I can wear -14 or more, but cannot imagine wear GOC fulltime.


Cactus Jack 18 Nov 2017, 14:30

Billy A.,

I had a highly motivated "client", about your age, who was naturally about -4, be able to work up to being able to read and study with -20 glasses. If you apply Vertex Distance effects -20 glasses have the same refractive effect at the Cornea as -15 or -16 contacts. That meant that he had been able to strengthen his Ciliary Muscles to produce about 11 or 12 diopters of accommodation and some residual Pseudo Myopia. A surprising result at his age.

He was highly motivated to "pass" (flunk) (depends on how you look at it) an eye exam for exemption from military service. Even where the most powerful dilating agents were used.. He was successful in obtaining an exemption. Ultimately, his Pseudo Myopia resolved and he is now about -5 Axial or True Myopia, which is enough to still be exempted.

If you are comfortable reading with the -5.5 glasses, you actually have about +8 diopters of accommodation while you are reading.

If you do GOC with CLs based on based on approximately -5 at the Cornea, it has the same effect as wearing the -5.5 glasses. If your GOC combo is based on your actual refractive error, observe good hygiene, use contacts with good permeability for Oxygen, and give your Corneas adequate rest, GOC is pretty much harmless.

But I suspect you knew that.

C.


Billy A 18 Nov 2017, 12:38

Cactus Jack,

I recover very quickly. I've tried a lot of different power glasses and about -7 or -8 is comfortable just for a few hours, not longer. I always wanted to wear more, something about -12 or -14. It must be supported by contacts, "natural" way without ruining eyesight doesn't exists. Or exists? :)


Cactus Jack 18 Nov 2017, 11:48

Billy A,

At 27, you apparently still have plenty of accommodation. You are probably beyond the possibility of Inducing any Axial or True Myopia, but you might be able to develop some Pseudo Myopia as your Crystalline Lenses get stiffer in a few years.

If you recover very quickly after taking off your -5.50 glasses, your Crystalline Lenses are still very flexible.

C.


Billy A 18 Nov 2017, 09:41

Cactus Jack,

I'm 27. With -5.5 i can see absolutely clearly, no headaches etc. But this is my accomodation limit for fulltime comfortable wearing. More power is possible just with GOC


Cactus Jack 18 Nov 2017, 08:46

Billy A,

May I ask your age?

C.


Billy A 18 Nov 2017, 01:24

Hi, my vision is 20/20, but i wear -5.5 fulltime :) More than 1 year and my vision still 20/20. I just like how i look with -5.5 :)


Adrian 31 Oct 2017, 13:30

Weirdeyes, I wear a plus 19 cls in my left eye and then minus 14 glasses. The astig of 3 degrees is corrected in the glasses as well as the 8BO prisms.

With cls only I get serious double vision, mainly as cross eyes are only corrected by glasses. In my experience it is very difficult to get images the same size.

I am able to play sports with my glasses securely held in place with a strap. I plan to play in uni teams next year.

My left eye is stable but the right eye's Rx is changing pretty fast. I am about to try RGP lens which will be easier in the mornings and also made in stronger powers if my right eye worsens.


Weirdeyes 31 Oct 2017, 11:00

NNVisitor

Due to axial length changing image size some people with large differences their eyes do better with glasses. I think Adrian mentioned having image size differences when he only wore contacts.


NNVisitor 31 Oct 2017, 09:01

Adrian

If you havn't already been assessed by an opthalmologist with experiance in finding solutions for people with large differences between the vision needs to see clearly in each eye you should be. If you have already been contact the Dr. who assessed your eyes.

Contact lenses provide very close to natural vision. Well hopefully that is the result. If not you should find out why you are having problems with them. Eyeglasses due to their distance from the eyes create smaller images for minus lenses and larger images for plus lenses thus glass glasses alone would create a huge size disparity between your two eyes. Best of luck going forward but remember that you do need the right assessment by a professional to find the best solution for you.


Weirdeyes 31 Oct 2017, 00:10

Adrian

What glasses and contacts combination do you wear?


Plusminus 30 Oct 2017, 23:33

I dont know how i can induce myopia with my current rx


Adrian 28 Oct 2017, 10:21

I wear a combination of contacts and glasses. Best for me is a contact in the left eye then glasses on top with similar strength lenses.

Contacts in both eyes gives double vision as the images are different sizes and in addition my eyes turn in.

No glasses is difficult. Right eye is a blur. Left eye out of focus but clearer than the right. I put a contact in asap.

My Rx is changing so Lasik not possible at present.


Plusminus 28 Oct 2017, 02:12

@Adrian

How is your vision without glasses?

Im OD -1.0 OS +1.0. My vision is fine without glasses, but i like wearing them. And i always like to be more nearsighted


Weirdeyes 27 Oct 2017, 23:13

Adrian

Wow that's intense. Can you wear glasses or do you have to wear contacts? Would you ever get lasik to reduce your difference?


Adrian 27 Oct 2017, 22:43

My right eye is minus 14, left eye plus 7.


Plusminus 27 Oct 2017, 17:53

Anyone here have antimetropia?


NNVisitor 19 Oct 2017, 20:23

BlurLover

If you love the blur then don't wear your contacts or glasses for an hour or longer daily. Find a partner who's quite nearsighted and wears glasses. Then you'll be around stronger glasses without the overcorrection induced headaches. If your prescription has not yet stabalized with all the reading you do you probably will have a need for stronger glasses in the future and the -3.50 will be closer to your actual prescription then. Problems solved.😀😀


Cactus Jack 19 Oct 2017, 18:52

BlurLover,

I understand. I was not trying to be nosey, but looking for clues. I hope that the explanation was useful. I don't think there is any risk in wearing the -3.50 glasses or even a bit higher as long as the headaches are not persistent. If you want to discuss any of this privately you can contact me at cactusjack1928@hotmail.com.s

C.


BlurLover 19 Oct 2017, 18:31

I dont wear those -3.5 over my contactsóim sure thatíd be too much correction. No double vision ever. Thats all the info I want to provide, apologies.


Cactus Jack 19 Oct 2017, 07:05

BlurLover,

In your late 20s you should have plenty of Accommodation Range to easily and comfortably deal with -1.00 over correction (-3.50 instead of -2.50). Accommodation Range is a measure of your ability to focus at all distances. That ability gets reduced as we age by what is called Presbyopia.

Presbyopia actually starts in childhood, but does not typically become a problem until the late 30s or early 40s. While late 30s to early 40s is typical, Presbyopia can occur at any age, depending on your genetic makeup and visual environment.

Presbyopia is the gradual stiffening of the Crystalline Lenses, which are 1/2 of your auto-focus system. The other half is the Ciliary Muscles (focusing muscles in your eyes). For their size (tiny) they are the strongest muscles in your body. Their job is to squeeze your Crystalline Lenses to increase their PLUS power when you need to focus closer than say 20 feet or 6 meters.

Usually, the Ciliary Muscles get plenty of exercise and are strong, but uncorrected Myopia has the same effect as having built in PLUS reading glasses. In your case, because you normally need -2.50 correction, when you are NOT wearing -2.50 contact or glasses, you have in effect +2.50 built in reading glasses, which is the ideal power for reading at 16 inches or 40 cm. That means that your Ciliary Muscles get no exercise, get weak, and you have the symptoms of Presbyopia.

If your Ciliary Muscles are out of condition, you will often have Headaches when you try to read or focus close because your Ciliary Muscles are "straining". Think of that situation as similar to lifting weights at the gym. When you first start with even light weights, your muscles will be sore the next day.

If you have been regularly reading with -2.50 contacts or glasses, your Ciliary Muscles should be getting enough exercise to stay in condition.

There can be other causes of headaches and I am playing detective with very few clues. Please try to be a bit more forthcoming. If you would prefer to discus this in private, that can be arranged. A few more looking for clues questions

1. When you wear the -3.50 glasses, are you also wearing the -2.50 contacts?

2. Do you ever experience double vision, even briefly?

3. If so, what are the circumstances?

4. Where do you live (country)?

5. What is your gender?

To answer your question about "risking lazy eye or other weird shit", probably not.

C.


BlurLover 19 Oct 2017, 05:59

I usually wear contacts. Glasses only 2 or 3 days a week and at night. I am late 20s. Lots of close work.


Cactus Jack 19 Oct 2017, 00:03

BlurLover,

Depends.

May I ask a few questions?

1. Your Age?

2. Your Occupation?

3. Do you do a lot of close work particularly, with smartphones or tablets?

4. When you read with your -2.50 glasses do you leave your glasses on?

C.


BlurLover 18 Oct 2017, 19:01

I am -2.50 in both eyes and just bought some -3.50 zennis. I really love the way they look and feel. I am getting a bit of a headache though. Is that normal?

AlsoóIm bot risking lazy eye or other weird shit, right?

Otherwise Iím lovin this blurry life.


Cactus Jack 17 Oct 2017, 23:31

Josh,

There is an interconnection in your brain between the Focus Control System and the Eye Position Control System that causes your eyes to converge when you add Plus to focus close. You have to add Plus to compensate for the -10 and that interconnection causes your eyes to try to converge. It is not uncommon for one eye to turn inward more than the other.

Have you had an eye exam recently?

What is your current complete prescription?

Have you had any double vision problems with the -10s?

C.


Josh 17 Oct 2017, 21:12

I have been following the thread a while ago and i raised my myopia from -3 to -4 by constantly using stronger pair of glasses .. Now i am using a -10 in fact but when i looked in the mirror one day recently i noticed that my left eye isn't looking straight forward, don't know at which point of time it happened really .. I am back to my old glasses as of today but i want to know is there a solution for this lazyeye or i should just live with it


NNVisitor 24 Sep 2017, 22:06

mm

How could your wife not know she's wearing strong glasses? The -7 lenses look strong and are far stronger than -3 glasses. Was it your wifes idea to induce more myopia? Who supplied her the -7 glasses?

If your wife has her eye exanination at the same office all ECP working there will have access to her chart and what she was previously prescibed? If it's a different ECP at a different office they won't and will rely on her current glasses as a base to proceed from.


Cactus Jack 24 Sep 2017, 05:31

mm,

The reason I asked that question is that all Eye Care Professionals (ECPs) maintain records of their patients. If she went to the same oculist as before wearing glasses significantly different than previously prescribed, there would be questions asked.

If it is a different oculist, it does not mater as much.

You have not mentioned your wife's age or the reason for the eye exam. Both are important for answering your question. The fact that you asked the question 2 days before the exam makes it almost impossible to come up with an answer that will make sense to the ECP.

If it is a different oculist, just have here wear the -7.00 glasses or some that are just a little weaker.

C.


mm 23 Sep 2017, 22:45

I think not.

But my wife remembers the sight defect.

and rather she does not know that she now wears -7 diopters


Cactus Jack 23 Sep 2017, 05:44

mm,

Is she going to the same oculist that prescribed the -3.00 glasses, I assume 2 years ago?

C.


mm 23 Sep 2017, 03:21

For 2 years my wife induced -7.0 ( She does not know she wears strong glasses )

The last recipe is -3.0

On monday she goes to oculist.

What glasses should she wear?

What will the eye test show?


Cactus Jack 16 Sep 2017, 07:40

Greg,

Yes. While it is called Pseudo Myopia, optically, it is really Myopia. The difference between Axial or True Myopia and Pseudo Myopia is the cause of each and how permanent they are. Pseudo Myopia is considered to be temporary. How temporary depends on many factors such as age, how long you have been overcorrected, how much you have been over corrected, etc.

One thing to remember is that optically, Pseudo Myopia and Latent Hyperopia are actually the same thing. Both are caused by the inability of the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses to quickly relax to their minimum PLUS power. Which you have depends on your actual refractive error and the amount of residual extra PLUS you have induced.

C.


Greg 15 Sep 2017, 21:33

If i induced pseudomyopia, will it show in the autorefractor? Thanks!


Soundmanpt 04 Sep 2017, 13:22

Nichola

Also it isn't near as easy trying to order contacts on line as it used to be. Also contacts will cost much more as well because you can buy a very nice pair of glasses on line from Zenni (zenniopticial.com) for as little as $6.95. You're clearly only talking about contacts because your shy about wearing glasses. That's the first thing you need to get over with. If you can see perfect wearing your -1.75 glasses just start wearing them a little more each day until you're able to wear them from morning til bedtime in front of everyone and not feel shy. Simply look around at how many people you see wearing glasses. It's not a big deal for anyone to see you wearing glasses.

Forget about wearing contacts. Like Cactus jack said contacts aren't that easy to wear. It even takes days of wearing for your eyes to even get somewhat comfortable wearing them.


Cactus Jack 04 Sep 2017, 07:43

Nichola,

Either one will work, but glasses are much more convenient.

If you have never worn contact lenses, you need to get the first pair professionally fitted and you need instruction in the proper hygiene and care of the contacts. The reason for that is that while soft contact lenses are very forgiving, you still need to get the correct Brand, Diameter and Base Curve to fit your Corneas. Contact lenses float on a film of tears Incorrectly fitting contact lenses can block the tear film.

Your Corneas DO NOT have a blood supply. They get their Oxygen from the air and oxygen and nutrients from your tears. Your Corneas are living tissue and must have both.

Poor fitting or hygiene can result in permanent damage to your Corneas. Even if you do not need vision correction, you can get color changing or costume type contacts that include the Diameter, Base Curve and instruction.

C.


Henry 04 Sep 2017, 05:18

Nichola,

when you prefer glasses, do all in glasses and wear them !

Henry


antonio 04 Sep 2017, 03:53

Hi Nichola,

seems you are already a little shortsighted,

for how long or how often have you worn your -1,75 pair already ?

I think wearing glasses or contacts doesnīt make any difference,

best regards, antonio


Nichola 04 Sep 2017, 01:21

Yes when I wear my glasses everything is very clear and eyes don't get tired. When I'm not wearing my glasses I do miss them now. I feel really need them on cloudy day and and night because it's brighter wearing them. What is the fastest way to get miopia contact lenses or glasses?


Cactus Jack 03 Sep 2017, 07:52

Nichola,

There are two kinds of Myopia. Axial or True Myopia and Pseudo or False Myopia. Axial Myopia is caused by excessive eyeball growth and is considered permanent. Pseudo Myopia is caused by the Ciliary Muscles having difficulty relaxing after focusing close for a long time or wearing glasses with more Minus than you actually need. Pseudo Myopia is considered to be temporary, but temporary can be a long time if you continue to wear more Minus than you need.

At 28, it is very rare for Axial Myopia to occur, unless you are genetically inclined to be Myopic or in the case of women, you become pregnant.

You can probably induce some Pseudo Myopia, until Presbyopia creeps up on you and limits the ability of your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses to compensate for wearing more Minus than you need.

My suggestion is similar to Soundmanpt's. You need to wear Minus glasses, every hour you are awake. When you wear Minus glasses you are actually training your Ciliary Muscles to be stronger. In some ways it is like strength training at the gymnasium. You start with small weights and many repetitions, then gradually increase the weight (prescription). The -0.50 to -1.75 is a good start. When the -1.75 get comfortable, increase to -2.50. How far can you go, it depends on your motivation and some physical limits of your accommodation. The practical limits for most people in their mid to late 20s is about -12.00 over their actual prescription, but hat takes lots of work and effort.

If you start wearing your glasses full time, thereC. will be a day or two where you will be asked about your glasses, but that is usually the end of it. In some ways, it is like getting a new pair of shoes or a different hair style. You can even start with the -1.75s if you want. Few people notice the prescription, but notice the frames. If you are asked about your prescription, just tell them that you were surprised by the amount of correction you needed. You thought your vision was OK until you got an exam. It is great how well you now see distant signs etc. with your glasses.

C.


Fred 03 Sep 2017, 05:54

Nichola,

you can discuss with Soundmanpt and others

all this in

https://lenschat.com/index.php

best regards,

Fred


Nichola 03 Sep 2017, 00:22

So if I wear my -1.75 glasses all the for a few months then get news ones at -2.50 maybe in a year I could be wearing -3.00? So would I reley on glasses? Can I never be shortsighted? Can people get shortsighted when they get old or is it only longssighted?

I buy the cheaper lenses so my glasses look stronger


Soundmanpt 02 Sep 2017, 13:30

Nichola

First of all you need to decide what you really want and then be totally committed to your decision. But for what it's worth at 28 years old you really don't have much of a chance of inducing any real myopia anyway. But if want to wear glasses stronger than you need, like you're already doing, you can certainly continue to do that. So I would suggest if you want to be a glasses wearer you need to get over being shy about it and just start wearing your -1.75 glasses full time and not just around the house and for driving. Just tell people you had your eyes tested and you now need to be wearing glasses. No one is going to question you about your wearing glasses. At first when friends see you wearing glasses they are only going to complement you on how nice you look wearing glasses. A few may even ask to try them. Remember they know nothing about glasses so let them try them. That prescription is not all that strong so they shouldn't question you about your glasses. After maybe 8 months if you want to wear stronger glasses go for it. It's very common for people to change their glasses after that long. But even wearing your glasses full time or part time your eyes aren't going to change from being -.50.


antonio 02 Sep 2017, 13:09

Hi Nichola,

if you have already been tested to need glasses of -0,5

itīs a really good idea to wear those when driving by night.

And of course if you like you can also wear them by day.

Probably after some time you need an increase anyway as we all often do,

so why not just start with your -0,5 wearing them right away all the time if you do like wearing glasses ?

best regards, antonio


Nichola 02 Sep 2017, 10:31

I've wanted to wear glasses for a few years but always been shy to start wearing them. I don't need glasses because I had my eyes tested and only got -0.50 myopia. I bought a pair of glasses with -1.75 and can see perfect but I only wear them in my house and when I drive at night. I'm thinking of wearing all the time but am I being stupid because I have good eyesight? Also I've tried wearing -4.00 all day and it was ok that's the prescription I would like to wear but I'm 28 years so wish I started wearing glasses some years ago. Can I wear contact lenses for some months and get shortsighted? Also at what prescription should I stop at?


Cactus Jack 05 Aug 2017, 11:03

Desperate,

If you seriously want to Induce Myopia, you need to get familiar with how vision and optics work, if you want your efforts to be successful.

You really need a good eye exam and a COMPLETE prescription to have a starting point for increasing your SPHERE power.

Here are a couple of tips to help you get started.

1. Prescriptions are customarily written with the Right Eye first. Sometimes they are written with abbreviations for the Latin names:

OD (Oculus Dexter) (Right Eye): Sphere, Cylinder, Axis, Prism, Add

OS (Oculus Sinister) (Left Eye): Sphere, Cylinder, Axis, Prism, Add

Prism and Add may not be listed if they are not required.

If Cylinder is listed, it ALWAYS has the Axis listed. They absolutely have to go together. The Axis number specifies the direction of the Long Axis of the Cylinder correction. By convention, 0 degrees is horizontal and 90 degrees is vertical. The numbers start at 0 degrees and increase in a counter-clockwise direction, looking at the patient, from 0 to 179 or 180 degrees. 0 and 180 are the same direction. Axis numbers above 180 are not used, because there is no need.

There is one very important rule for Inducing Myopia. You only change or increase the SPHERE number. Never the Cylinder or Axis. You copy those EXACTLY.

To order glasses, you need your Pupillary Distance (PD). It is easy to measure, if you don't have it. Your PD determines where the Optical Center (OC) of the corrective lenses are located.

Inducing Myopia is a bit like lifting weights at the Gymnasium. You start with a light weight and do lots of repetitions. For Inducing Myopia, you start with a small increase in Sphere. Say -1.50 or -2.00 over your actual prescription. Then wear them every waking hour. When you get comfortable wearing those, you increase the Sphere by another -1.00 or perhaps -2.00 and wear those until they are comfortable and repeat the process until you reach your goal.

If you have any astigmatism, you need to maintain that exact correction. It is counter productive to ignore it. The additional minus Sphere can be corrected internally, which is desirable. Astigmatism must be corrected externally with glasses or contact lenses or it will affect vision at all distances.

Do you have a goal?

C.


Desperate  05 Aug 2017, 09:58

I didnt get the -rescription from the check up today but my old prescription before i wore the -2 glasses online was -0.50 -0.50 on the right and -1.00 -0.50 on the left. Im a psychology student in thailand


Cactus Jack 05 Aug 2017, 09:16

Desperate,

Did you get a prescription? That is where everything starts. What is your complete prescription?

May I ask a few more question?

1. What is your occupation?

2. If in school, what level and what is your primary field of study?

3. Where do you live (country)? That can affect our suggestions.

If you are serious, you probably need to increase your prescription, but you need to do it the right way.

There are two kinds of Myopia. Axial or True Myopia and Pseudo or False Myopia. They have two different causes, but the effect is the same. You need to wear MINUS glasses.

Axial Myopia is caused by excessive growth of the eyeball and it is considered permanent. Pseudo Myopia is caused by the Ciliary Muscles having difficulty fully relaxing after being stressed for a long time. It is considered temporary, but temporary can be a long time if you keep them under stress. It is believed that if you are young enough and your genes will permit it, Pseudo Myopia can cause production of an as yet un-isolated or unidentified Eyeball Growth Hormone which leads to increased Axial Myopia.

C.


Desperate 05 Aug 2017, 08:54

The -2.00 isnt my real prescription. I justbought the pair online in hopes that it would make memore nearsighted


antonio 05 Aug 2017, 08:47

hm,

if your -2 glasses help you more to see clear than her suggestion

you should wear

then wear your -2 pair ?

best regards, antonio


Desperate 05 Aug 2017, 08:43

Helli good eve! I have been reading the threads here lately. I have been wearing a -2.00 glasses for months now (its not my real prescription). There are times when i dont wear them and i was pretty sure that i got nearsighted a bit. Also, i get headaches when not wearing them. Anyway i got my eyecheck up today and she told me that i dont need any nearsighted correction and i onlyhave astigmatisms. Also i think that my left eye is more blurry but she said that my right eye is what needs more correcti0n. Also, when she let mewalk around with the lenses they arent as clear as when i got my true glasses. What can i do to be truly nearsighted? Im 19 years old


Soundmanpt 14 Jun 2017, 12:15

oopsl

I thought you understood that in order to get to around -2.00 that it is necessary that you wear considerably stringer glasses. But you seemed a bit disappointed in how strong your glasses look now compared to your -1.75 glasses. I think the prescription (-2.00) which you really want your prescription to become is a perfect prescription for you. Not too strong and not too weak so your glasses shouldn't look too strong or too weak.

What exactly will you be doing in that class? Are you still a little worried about it? Will it involve refracting your eyes?

Yes your advice is better than your parents for your sister. She certainly doesn't need her glasses for seeing anything close which of course means things like reading and doing homework. But her prescription is strong enough that i'm sure she can't see distances very well at all. Of course there is no way to know when her eyes started becoming nearsighted but she would have had a real problem seeing the board at school if she didn't get glasses. If she wears them at school I think she will soon start keeping them on most all the time. Her eyes are going to adjust to them and she won't like how blurry everything is when she takes them off.


oopsI 14 Jun 2017, 09:08

Soundmanpt

I'm aware that I need a higher prescription in order to increase to a level I want and I don't mind the -3.5's a lot or anything. But this confirmed that I do want to stick to my original plan, which is nice to know. Also I know -3.5 is still moderate, what I meant to say was that I like the look mostly up to -3's which would probably be low to moderate, I don't know.

The objective refraction will happen in a class and I'm hoping to partner with a friend whom doesn't know much about glasses, lol.

I'm not telling my sister to take her glasses of for anything, don't worry. She wears them in school and when she's on her bike and takes them off any other time. Parents wanted to make her wear them all the time, but I told them that it really doesn't matter at her age and prescription and if she feels comfortable without them she should just take them off.


Soundmanpt 13 Jun 2017, 18:32

oopsl

I'm sure compared to your -1.75 glasses in the very same frame, your -3.50 glasses do look considerably stronger now. The lenses are thicker and your eyes appear much smaller now. But there still really only considered as "moderate" power. Remember the whole purpose of wearing stronger glasses now is to accelerate the process of inducing real myopia. Wearing your -1.75 glasses won't ever get you close to being at -2.00 which you want to end up at. You can only induce approximately half of the value of the glasses your wearing. So that would be right at -1.75 or maybe even -2.00. But either way you could certainly wear -2.00 glasses if you want. So I just went back and looked up a few things and back in may you were concerned about objective refraction and said that it could be awkward. has that come and gone or is that coming up? Is that a class or a vision check?

Well it seems we were both about right about what prescription your sister might need for her glasses if she in fact needed glasses. She is off to a pretty good start considering she is only 13 and she is almost certain to be needing an increase every year from now until she is in her mid twenties. She's really not far off from needing her glasses full time now even. I know you're trying to keep her eyes from getting worse by telling her not to wear them except when she needs them. But it really isn't going to change anything if she were to wear her glasses full time, that is with the exception of when she is reading or doing other close work which would be better for her to remove her glasses for, or if she does as you have encouraged her to do. So only wearing them in school isn't really enough because she can't see very well outside of class without glasses. And the more her eyes adjust to her glasses in class the ore she is going to notice how blurry things away from class are going to be. You really don't want her to be straining her eyes either. Let her decide if she is more comfortable wearing her glasses or not. Like I said wearing her glasses isn't going to make her eyes get worse, but the truth is her eyes are going to get worse and you can't do anything to stop it from happening. Does she seem okay with wearing her glasses? Has she adjusted to them yet or is she still getting used to them? She almost certainly is going to be more nearsighted than you will be.


oopsI 13 Jun 2017, 12:19

Soundmanpt

I'd actually like the glasses to look a little less strong, I must admit. As I stated in the beginning I like a low to moderate prescription best. I know -3.5 isn't super heavy or anything, but I think I'd like it best to wear something around a -2. I loved the look of the -1.75's.

I thought my vision hadn't really changed yet, but that was because I haven't compared my actual prescription with the -1.0's recently. When I take the -3.5's off it feels like I have perfect vision after a few seconds, but I think that might be because I'm getting more used to blurry vision because with this amount of overcorrection my vision does get more blurry when I'm not trying to focus on anything. I don't mind, though, because pseudo myopia's not what I'm trying to achieve in the long run. Anyways, I compared my old glasses and the -1's today and it was obvious that I'm seeing better with the -1's now. I think I might be at a -.5 or something by now, which would be nice.

My sister got her eyes checked and got a pair of glasses that she uses in school (she's at sph -1.25 and -1) and said they make a big difference when looking at the board. She doesn't wear them when she doesn't need them which is something I encourage in order for her prescription to not go up a lot. We'll see.

love, Linda


Soundmanpt 12 Jun 2017, 12:28

oopsl

So good to hear from you again. I was wondering about you since you weren't around for a while. I was wondering how your eeys were doing with adjusting to the stronger glasses. You were basically wearing your -1.75 glasses as your everyday glasses so going from -1.75 to -3.50 is quite a jump for your eyes to adjust to. So i'm really glad to hear that your now fully adjusted to them and you don't get any headaches or distortion wearing your new glasses. I'm sure your eyes probably do look smaller now through your lenses. At the same time I have a feeling you liked it that some people noticed that your glasses looked stronger. How do you feel about that? But so far you're not noticing any change in your real eyesight?

Did your sister get her eyes examined yet?


oopsI 12 Jun 2017, 12:05

Sorry for being absent for a while, I was really busy.

I'm doing well with the -3.5's. I've gotten a few comments on them (that my eyes look smaller (friend whom I told that I got my prescription changed), that they do look thick (the frame is very thin and the lenses are pretty big, so it makes sense. the sunglasses don't even go over the edge of the frame)) but that was alright. I'm fully adjusted to them, don't get headaches or anything.

My vision doesn't stay blurry, I've been spending a lot of time outside since the weather is nice, so I'm guessing they won't have much effect at the moment, anyway.

Love Linda


-25 09 Jun 2017, 08:45

-17.25, -4.5, 110, 24, out and -12.25, -5.00, 040, 24, out and an add of +2.

I live in Ohio, just completed my 1st year of college, and I am the worst at math and am not a fan of science.


Cactus Jack 06 Jun 2017, 16:09

-25,

It might be possible, but you DO NOT "just get some -25 glasses". It does take some "training"

May I as a few questions?

1. What is your Complete prescription?

2. Where do you live?

3. Are you still in school or soon starting University?

4. How did you do in math and science in school?

C.


-25 05 Jun 2017, 23:19

Hi, I am nearsighted and some other stuff, about -17 and -12 and I really want to get to -25. I am 18 years old, is there any way? Also do I just get -25 glasses and make mys lef used to them?


Soundmanpt 26 May 2017, 15:48

oopsl

Just checking to see how you're doing with your new glasses? I know you have only had them a few days? I'm sure your eyes are still working hard to adjust to them.


Soundmanpt 22 May 2017, 16:36

Glad to hear that you got your glasses. So how do you like your prescription sunglasses? I'm not really surprised that your glasses feel a little bit weird. It would have been helpful if you could have wore your -1.75 glasses along with your -1.00 contacts while you were waiting for your glasses to arrive. I know you have been wearing your -2.50 glasses around the house but that's still not the same as wearing the stronger prescription full time. So what you're really doing is almost doubling what your eyes are used to. I am glad that your headache didn't materialize. Maybe by getting a fresh start tomorrow morning will help a bit. I'm sure things do look small now, but as you know as your eyes adjust to your glasses everything will soon appear normal size to you again. Try not to walk into any bike racks. lol


oopsI 22 May 2017, 12:55

Soundmanpt

my glasses arrived. They feel a bit weird, but I see pretty well with them on. Not much distortion or anything. Stuff seems a bit small, though. I felt a headache come on about half an hour ago, but it didn't come, let's hope it stays that way.

I'm interested to see how my sisters appointment will go. I don't expect her prescription to be much higher than a -1, because she hasn't been complaining about not seeing the board well or anything. We will see, though.

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 18 May 2017, 14:28

oopsl

I assume your still waiting for your glasses to arrive? I'm sure it must be different in Austria as for as delivery service than here in the US. Here I always knew that once he shipped out of California I would have them in my mailbox within 3 days.

I'm glad to hear that you have been wearing the -2.50 glasses during this time. It's too bad that your eyes don't seem to be able to tolerate wearing contacts for very long. Since you really favor your -1.75 glasses for comfort and looks having the -1.00 under your glasses would have been perfe4ct all this time. But if you were able to wear your -2.50 glasses for nearly a full day inside and outside quite comfortably that should help when your new glasses arrive.

And nice that your sister has an eye appointment scheduled for next month. So what prescription do you think she will come away with? I have already said that I think maybe something like -1.00 or maybe -1.25. I really don't think she is going to need any stronger.


antonio 17 May 2017, 21:35

How much Astigmatismus correction do you wear currently, OopsI ? Just interested, habe a nice day,

love, Antonio ;-)


antonio 17 May 2017, 15:19

Wow Oopsi,

sounds funny Ehen you said you felt drunk without then :-)

Do you know it feels normally Mord difficult to give away your glasses the more the stronger your lenses get?

Guess you Start really needing Them to See? :-)

I sometimes like to look oder my lenses, toojust now I found out doing it I read the clock at the wall in this chamber wrong bareeyed, not a surprise With my -6.5 :-)

What do you like to look at over your lenses?

I had a female friend wearing glasses maybe like -2 who looked at me like that if I weren't too far :-)

Best regards, Antonio


oopsI 16 May 2017, 15:58

Soundmanpt

One of my friends loved the so much I told her to go on Zenni and order a pair. She's one of the people that had tried my old glasses and she nearly fell over because she couldn't handle the astigmatism (back then it was +.25-.5 in both eyes). Some people just seem very sensitive (she wears a light minus without cylinder herself).

I'm still going -1.75's outside and -2.5's at home and recently when i spend most of the day studying i wore the -2.5's for everything (including going for a walk and stuff) I barely notice them anymore.

My sister has an appointment about a month from now.

love, Linda


Soundmanpt 16 May 2017, 14:10

oopsl

That's one thing that must make you feel good when people complement you on how awesome your glasses look on you. And didn't you simple love when they tried your glasses on that they said they felt really drunk wearing them? When people tried on your old glasses I think most hardly even noticed that they even had a prescription in them. Just think when you get your new glasses how much more drunk they will feel wearing them? And of course you're going to feel a lot more drunk as well when you take your glasses off. It doesn't sound like you have been wearing your -2.50 glasses very much at all recently? Don't you think that might make going from -1.75 to -3.50 pretty hard on your eyes? That's twice what you're wearing now you know. You might have to wear the -2.50 glasses for a few days so your eyes can better adjust. What do you think? Do you think your eyes can handle it okay straight away? Has mom or dad made an appointment for your sister to get her eyes checked yet? Is she out of school now and if so when does she go back? If she is going to be nervous about having to wear glasses i'm sure getting them just before starting back at school would make it that much harder for her if she barely even had them long enough to get used to wearing them. If she didn't say anything about your glasses feeling even slightly strong to her eyes i'm thinking that she probably need about -1.00 or even -1.25 glasses. I'm sure she liked the over correction just like you. But -1.00 or -1.25 is still about enough for full time wear. Too bad your -1.00 glasses have astigmatisms in them or you could let her try those for a while to see how they work for her.


oopsI 16 May 2017, 12:55

Antonio,

no, I'm wearing the -1.75's. I just like to look over the lenses sometimes.

Today a bunch of people told me how awesome the glasses looked and a few even tried them on. They all said they felt really drunk in them. I felt drunk without them.

Love, Linda


antonio 16 May 2017, 11:19

Hi Oopsi,

does that mean you are going around sometimes bareeyed again or do you use your old glasses then, those you have worn for a year now ?

Best regards, antonio


OopsI 14 May 2017, 13:20

Soundmanpt

Hey :)

No, the test is going to be at the end of June, I was just looking at two schedule and saw that there will be objective refraction done. I'm not sure if everyone will be doing it, though.

As I'm expecting the new glasses I have been a bit sloppy with wearing the ones I have at the moment and I've been testing my eye sighed all the time. I know, not effective, but as it still seems to be working and the changes will be more rapid with the stronger glasses I guess it's okay.


Soundmanpt 14 May 2017, 13:02

oopsl

Okay so if they already shipped out of Hong Kong they should arrive this week sometime I would think.

Based on your own testing you're eyesight isn't as good as it was just 2 months ago before you started.

This is what you were expecting to come up but just a bit sooner than expected? Do you know what day they will be doing this? Well it shouldn't be too awkward. You certainly can't go in wearing your -1.75 glasses because your eyes could be slowly changing the longer you have your glasses off during the testing. So I would suggest that you pull out your old -.25 -.50 / -.25 -.50 glasses and wear them that day day at least until they finish testing you. Then you can put your -1.75 glasses back on. It would have been better if they were testing you next month.


oopsI 14 May 2017, 12:26

Just looked at my classes. We will be doing objective refraction... That could be awkward...


oopsI 14 May 2017, 09:45

Soundmanpt

I don't quite remember when it was that I placed the order, but tracking says it has left Hong Kong.

My vision without glasses was quite good when I started, I hardly noticed blurriness in good lighting using both my eyes. When it was darker/when I closed one eye there was some blur (in the dark) or ghosting (when closing one eye in good lighting). Now I think there is some blur when I wake up when I look out of the window. That's pretty subjective, though. I used an online eye exam thing this morning in good lighting to test it. My vision was better with the -1 glasses (instead of my regular glasses) for my left eye for sure, I think it was better for the right eye, too, but it's wasn't an obvious difference.

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 12 May 2017, 15:00

oopsl

You seem to be noticing some changes in your eyesight since you started wearing over correction. Were you able to see the leaves on a tree without your actual prescription glasses being on? And it's a very good sign that when you take off your glasses now it is taking longer and longer for your vision to recover and even then only partially. Apparently your left eye must be slightly weaker than your right eye. Interesting since your actual prescription is the same (-.25 -.50) in both eyes, I had to look that up to sure all the way back to March 14th) in both eyes. You mentioned recently that your vision is a bit more blurry in the morning than it used to be which is another good indicator of change. Once you get you new glasses it should even speed things more for you. How long ago did you place your order for them? Have you checked the tracking to see where they are? I know you said that you wear your -1.75 glasses as your everyday glasses but are you still wearing the -2.50 glasses around your house so it won't be as shocking to your eyes when the -3.50 glasses arrive and you start trying to wear them.

Have a great weekend Linda.


antonio 12 May 2017, 13:46

OopsI, seems to me, you are More in need of wearing a lens in Front oft your weaker left eye than you have been before ?

If you like we can discuss in lenschat.

Cu and Best regards, Antonio


antonio 12 May 2017, 13:35

Oh okay OopsI, I know your left eye has Bern your weak one before. So how strong will be your New pair?

Best regards, Antonio


oopsI 12 May 2017, 13:24

antonio

I haven't tried doing that without wearing the overcorrection for a length of time.

When I now take off the glasses it takes a while for my eyes to adjust. My left eye stays pretty blurry, though (cannot make out leaves on a tree at all, while with both eyes they are there, just not perfectly clear). It also only takes a few seconds of wearing the overcorrection for my vision to become blurry again (but that's also mostly for the left eye, when I look at things with both eyes I can still see quite well, not perfect, but okay).

I'm exited for the new glasses!


antonio 12 May 2017, 05:21

Hi Oopsi,

habe you ever tried again to wear only your original -0.5 ones and how you see in Them now in different situations? Or even gone bareeyed anywhwere?

Just interested, best regards, Antonio


antonio 12 May 2017, 05:20

Hi Oopsi,

habe you ever tried again to wear only your original -0.5 ones and how you see in Them now in different situations? Or even gone bareeyed anywhwere?

Just interested, best regards, Antonio


antonio 09 May 2017, 14:55

To OopsI,

so glad to hear you aren't going mad, girl :-)

Best regards, Antonio :-)


oopsI 09 May 2017, 10:13

Soundmanpt and antonio

I'm gonna respond here to keep it in one thread.

I was wearing the -1.75's and don't worry, I don't want to be that shortsighted. Far from it, my goal is still in the -2 range. I was just interested to see a person with glasses that looked terribly strong.

I actually just ordered the glasses and am excited to get them :)

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 01 May 2017, 10:52

oopsl

If the contacts are bothering your eyes or making the itchy then you're right in not wearing them. The last think you want is an eye infection. Besides you are doing fine with just wearing your -1.75 glasses full time. And you said that you are planning on placing your order for stronger glasses very soon anyway.


oopsI 01 May 2017, 09:48

I think I can't wear the contacts, I wore some yesterday and my eyes are still itchy ...


oopsI 30 Apr 2017, 02:21

Soundmanpt

Yes, I figured. Happens when you don't have to register in a forum.


Soundmanpt 29 Apr 2017, 19:04

oopsl

Just so you know, that post on "29 Apr 2017 15:32" wasn't from me and I think most of the ones claiming to be posted by Antonio aren't by him either. There is a troll that is finding great humor in posting comments under other peoples name. As you know I wouldn't post a comment like that since I know that you in fact have some astigmatisms already.


antonio 29 Apr 2017, 17:35

OopsI,

Perhaps both of you will be wearing mason jar lenses within a few years.

Myodiscs rule! :-)

best regards,

antonio :-)


antonio 29 Apr 2017, 15:39

OopsI,

interesting to think who of you both will need stronger

lenses to see okay :-)

best regards,

antoniio :-)


NNVisitor 29 Apr 2017, 15:34

Noreen asked why anyone would want to create an eyesight problem they don't have.

Doing so is a form of self harm. It's beyond the scope of rational thinking to plan to harm oneself.


Soundmanpt 29 Apr 2017, 15:32

oopsl

I forgot also to mention that the blurriness that you are having may be due to some astigmatisms beginning.

How would you feel about needing cylinder correction for astigmatisms?


antonio 29 Apr 2017, 15:31

yes,

for most of us the decision was taken somewhere else :-),

you are an exception there :-)

sorry for the "elderly", :-)

cu in lenschat perhaps,

a little myopic regards,

antonio


oopsI 29 Apr 2017, 15:27

antonio

Elderly? I should probably sort out my retirement plans ;)

With me it's a decision, with her it's more like bad luck and too much instagram, lol. If she needs glasses already, she's probably going to end up in your prescription range.

Love, Linda


antonio 29 Apr 2017, 15:03

Hi OopsI,

"Poor thing will probably end up with quite a bit of myopia",

like her elderly sister will probably :-)

myopic regards, antonio


oopsI 29 Apr 2017, 11:56

Soundmanpt

That my eyes were relaxing when looking at stuff in the distance only lasted for about two days, I'm guessing it was because I was because I slept less than usual. I read somewhere that the eyes get the "command" to grow when they get blurry vision/hyperopic defocus, I don't know if that's just a theory, though.

Today I ran out of contacts (wore some -1's under my glasses today because I spend a good bit of the day outside) and decided to buy new ones (-4's this time to wear under my old glasses and some -2's) I'm actually considering getting some monthly lenses at one point as that would be a good bit cheeper, but I'm worried that I might damage my cornea by doing that. Maybe I should get some fitted at some point...

I'm gonna remind my dad to make an appointment for her. My sister seemed not to bothered by her possible need of glasses, and I'm guessing she's old enough to get contacts if she hated wearing glasses. Poor thing will probably end up with quite a bit of myopia by the time she's all grown up.

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 29 Apr 2017, 10:01

oopsl

I forgot to answer your question about your eyes losing focus or seeming to be "lazy" when looking at things in the distance. What's happening is your eye muscles are in fact relaxing. So in effect your eyes are simply trying to ignore the prescription in your glasses. So even though your vision is somewhat more blurry that way your eyes are going to be more comfortable because their not being forced to stay focused. You're trying to train your eyes to see naturally wearing -1.75 glasses.So you want to force your eyes to stay focused as much as possible.

I don't know when high school starts in Austria but if your parents haven't made an appointment for your sister to get her eyes checked you probably need to remind them. And since she almost certainly will be getting glasses she might need or want a little time to get used to wearing glasses before she starts back at school. When she was trying on your glasses did she seem okay with the idea of wearing glasses herself? Since you wear glasses full time i have a feeling she would probably be fine with it.


Rich 29 Apr 2017, 05:57

Thanks for explaining, Cactus Jack. I've always wondered why I've had some (relative) success with inducing myopia during my 30s and other people on this forum haven't.


Cactus Jack 28 Apr 2017, 19:54

Rich,

You have most likely induced some Pseudo Myopia and maybe a very little Axial Myopia. Pseudo Myopia is caused by the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses having difficulty relaxing to minimal PLUS power after either focusing close or wearing glasses with more MINUS than you actual need for a very long time. It is considered "temporary" but that is a relative term. As Presbyopia creeps up on you, the Pseudo Myopia may decrease. There is no way to predict how much of your Myopia is Pseudo and how much is Axial Myopia or where you will finally wind up.

Enjoy it while you can.

C.


oopsI 28 Apr 2017, 13:36

wisior

thank you so much for your advise. Right now I feel like it's working for me anyways, but if my prescription isn't going to change significantly by October I'll surely try your method, it sounds like it's working out well.

It's good to read success stories :)

Love, Linda


Rich 28 Apr 2017, 09:31

In 2008, I was 30 and a pathetic -0.75 in both eyes. In summer 2009, I started wearing glasses/contacts ordered online (a -2 prescription) full-time. In April 2010, I walked away with a -1.5 prescription at an eye test. By 2012, I was at -2.5. Now, it's -2.75 (and unlikely to rise - am nearly 40) but I wear -3.25 glasses/contacts daily. Any possible reasons why this has happened?


Maxim 28 Apr 2017, 07:55

to Wisior

Very good ideas indeed, and nicely written. Very helpful in my opinion, thank you!


wisior 28 Apr 2017, 05:01

One more thing. How I bought contact lenses? I wrote on a normal paper sheet all data needed to buy lenses: power, curve, type, company etc.and accessories. Then I went to the shop and showed this sheet to the optician/seller saying that I must buy it for my sister who is leaving town tomorrow morning for long trip and she sent me here to buy it. They never asked any questions. And I had excuse to say "I don't know, but please don't force me to go anywhere because I must go back to work". :)


wisior 28 Apr 2017, 04:42

oopsI

Good to hear that it works. When I was 27 I wanted to induce some myopia. I read all posts on this site and started to do so. That time I was +0.75/+0.25. I bought contact lenses -4 "day and night" (as they are more oxygene transparent) and I wore them since I woke up till the end of the day (at night I took them off, it's better for eyes). I spent a lot of time reading, doing close work. After 3 months my vision in +0.75 changed to +0.25 or 0.0 and my other eye went from +0.25 to -0.25. Due to my age, my eyes were too old to increase myopia in more significant amount, and I decided to stop. Little myopia was not my goal. Now, after 10 years, my eyes still stays at these numbers. So it worked!

If I were you, at your age, I would consider to buy contact lenses and wear them under the glasses you already have. It will prevent lenses to look thicker and attract people's attention. Contact lenses have one more good thing - you cannot take it off that easy, so your eyes have much more constant condition that can adapt to. Wearing contact lenses after some time will cause you to forget about them. That is the point. Do not give a chance your eyes to relax, and results will appear very soon. Don't test your vision, just wear lenses and forget about them. After one month buy little stronger ones and wear them constantly. After 6 months there must appear some good results.

Power of lenses, in my opinion, should be as strong as possible but allow to keep all day good vision - near and far (it means when reading, your eye focus must be at least 3/4 of possible focusing power - it must give constant pressure on the focus muscle - but not too much, you must see clearly even when reading longer time). First weeks of wearing contacts I felt this pressure on my focus, but then my eyes adapted to it. Then the pressure began to disappear and after some more weeks I would be able to use stronger lenses. I am sure that after one year of wearing lenses as strong as possible to tolerate , will create good level of myopia. But it's important to not go to far with overcorrection. You must be able to keep focus all the time. Then after month or two, try to buy lenses 1D stronger. And then again... When you will reach your desired level of myopia, then all nice things will start to happen. Just let the process go smoothly, not disturbed and results will come quickly. Must be consistent! Good luck


oopsI 27 Apr 2017, 21:11

Soundmanpt

Okay, I'm just going to order the two glasses, then. Makes everything cheeper, which is always nice.

The lazy thing is like you describe it. When I look in the distance and don't focus on anything my vision will blur if I don't force it to stay focused. It will also focus every now and then.

I have a terrible sweet tooth and was always surprised that I never had a cavity. Now I'm not in that club anymore.

To the anonymous person,

thank you, how sweet of you to congratulate me ;)

Love Linda


? 27 Apr 2017, 18:55

Linda, congratulations on the beginning of ruining your eyesight.

Coke bottles could be in your future.


Soundmanpt 27 Apr 2017, 17:37

oopsl

Yes! That's very exciting news that you're unable to read the the title of a book a distance away from you that in the past and now you're unable to read the title of the book without your glasses that is a very good sign that their is some change in your actual vision. If 8 hours of sleep wasn't enough for your eyes to fully return to your normal vision. Of course I know that you understand that your vision isn't close to being -1.75 but it seems like it must be a little worse than -.25 -.50 / -.25 -.50 now. So yes I think that you're clearly on schedule based on your own testing. I'm glad that you're planning on placing your order for stronger glasses sooner rather than later. Getting the exact same glasses as you're already wearing is a very good idea because that way no one will be able to tell any difference in your glasses and by getting the higher index the lenses shouldn't look any different to anyone. No one will be asking to try on your glasses since they won't know their different.And I think that you really like your -1.75 glasses as well as how you look wearing them. Nice that you found a pair that will make nice prescription sunglasses from Zenni too. You have already made quite a bit of progress just by wearing your -1.75 glasses. And when you get your -3.50 glasses that should even speed up your progress even more. So I don't you need to bother with getting -6.00 glasses, at least not at this time anyway.

Youn have me a bit confused by exactly what you mean when you say that your eyes seem to get "lazier" when you're not doing close work but instead looking at something in the distance your vision gets blurry if you're not reading something. You say that you can avoid this from happening, I assume you mean by forcing your eyes to focus, but its comfortable to just let it happen by allowing your eyes to relax. I assume you mean this happens with your glasses on?

Well since you had the one filling done you know what to expect getting theses two filled. So Linda has a sweet tooth does she? Yeah candy will do that according to dentists anyway.


antonio 27 Apr 2017, 12:22

Hi OopsI,

so sorry I missed you in here,

I had little technical problems,

best wishes to you and myopic greeetings,

antonio


antonio 27 Apr 2017, 11:17

Hi OopsI,

you blind thingy

Shortsighted life is full of surprises, isn't it? :-)

And if you like to stay informed even bareeyed,

it's also increasing your physical fitness AS you just approach your shelf every day from now on and your mental fitness AS it will be soon More easy for you to memorize things than to really read or See them. Am I right??

Best times to you , Antonio :-)


oopsI 27 Apr 2017, 10:14

The book is on a shelf on my wall, I wasn't reading it :)


oopsI 27 Apr 2017, 10:13

Soundmanpt

I sure hope so. This morning I realised I could not read the title of a book anymore, I used to be able to read that, so that's good, too, I guess. I'm gonna order the new glasses soon and am quite excited to do so. I'm going for Zenni's, though, because I found a cheep and pretty pair of glasses on there to wear as sunglasses and that way I can stick to my frames (and higher index is free). I'm also considering ordering a pair with a higher prescription (like a lot higher, maybe a minus 6) to wear while reading every now and then, but maybe that's not necessary as I feel like I'm on schedule with the changes :D

I noticed my eyes seem to become "lazier" though, because when I'm not doing close work and instead I'm looking at things in the distance my vision gets blurry when I don't need to read anything. I can avoid that if I want to, but it's comfortable to let it happen. Should I avoid it or can I just relax?

I got some pain meds and I'm doing okay. Last time I didn't really listen and I actually need another two fillings, that's why I have to go back. I might just not have brushed as well since I'm in college or eating all that candy while studying has finally taken it's tall on me. Dental work is catching up with me now, lol. I wore contacts which was good, because I couldn't keep my eyes closed.

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 27 Apr 2017, 09:40

oopsl

That's exactly the way you want your eyes to feel when you put your glasses on first thing in the morning. And i'm sure that with your glasses you have never seen so clearly in your life before. And when you take them off you have never seen so poorly before for those first couple minutes. But even though one or minutes doesn't seem very long it is still better than when your eyes went back to normal nearly immediately when you took off your glasses. Now you would like your eyes not to return to normal for 4 or 5 minutes in the next week or two. It should start to go a little faster once you get your stronger glasses.

Sorry to hear that you were unlucky enough to need a root canal. I hope they gave you a prescription for some pain killers just in case it started hurting more later on. They had me get pain killers but I honestly never had any pain at all. They told me that I might not be able to eat any solid food for a day or so but I actually ate a sandwich along with potato chips later that evening without any problem at all. Did they say why you need to go back in a week? I know last time you weren't happy that they made you take off your glasses. Did you remember to wear your contacts this time or did you just take your glasses off?


Soundmanpt 27 Apr 2017, 09:13

werty

You just didn't go back far enough. I just went back and looked and oopsl's first post was back on March 14th at 09:10. Since that time she has has many comments about her desire to induce myopia.


oopsI 27 Apr 2017, 08:23

werty

I'm from Austria and I'm 20 years old :)

Linda


werty 27 Apr 2017, 03:06

Hi oopsl,

I don't find your older posts...

Where do you live?

How old are you?


oopsI 26 Apr 2017, 09:25

Soundmanpt

The glasses feel pretty much normal when I put them on it the morning and I still really enjoy how clear my vision is with them on. Without them I cannot see clearly past an arms length (obviously not in the mornings, but for a good one to two minutes after taking them off).

I got back from the dentist and in fact was unlucky enough to need root canal treatment. The thing itself wasn't much more than uncomfortable but now my tooth feels very sore. My dentist told me that the headaches could well be caused by my tooth, though. So that's hopefully gonna stop now. I have to go back in a week again. God, now I understand why people hate the dentist, lol.

Love,

Linda


Soundmanpt 26 Apr 2017, 07:43

oopsl

I told you that you had no reason to be afraid to tell them about your dentist visit. Like I said i'm sure that they are very proud of you. If you're going for a filling I have had several and trust me I always feared going to a dentist so I guess you could say i'm a coward. But it was completely painless.

Sorry to hear that you have been getting headaches the past few days. It could very well be caused by the cavity or you said something about maybe needing a root canal. So it could be teeth related. I know when my broke off tooth started giving me a problem I had off and on headaches everyday. I don't think the headaches are caused by your glasses because that was far more likely to happen when you first started wearing them as your eyes were adjusting to them. It seems that your showing progress already if if things are remaining really blurry after you take off your glasses much longer now. It was only a couple weeks ago when you said that your normal vision was returning almost immediately when you took your glasses off. Just the fact that it is already taking longer for your normal vision to return shows that it's working. Have you noticed that when you first started wearing the -1.75 when you first put them on in the morning it probably took your eyes a little time to focus and adjust to them. Now when you put them on in the morning they very quickly feel like their your natural glasses.


oopsI 25 Apr 2017, 15:21

Soundmanpt

I have told my mum and she said she will of cause cover it. She even laughed a little when I admitted I didn't want to tell her. The appointment is tomorrow, wish me luck. Does it hurt when they fix a tooth, though?

Eye-wise

I've been having a little trouble over the past couple of days as I've been experiencing headaches. I don't really understand why, because I haven't been studying and only wore the -1.75's. Maybe it has nothing to do with the glasses thing.

I noticed that (when taking my glasses off for showering etc. ...) my vision was really blurry and is already staying blurry much longer. It still goes back to normal after a while, though (or in the mornings)

Noreen

I understand what you mean. I think it's somewhat like wearing a tongue piercing that might destroy your teeth. Only that it's not actually damaging your eyes.

For me I mainly enjoy the look of minus glasses and hope to avoid needing reading glasses by inducing myopia.

Maxim

glad you liked my comment

love, Linda


Soundmanpt 25 Apr 2017, 14:24

oopsl

What did you decide as to telling your parents about your dentist bill?


Soundmanpt 24 Apr 2017, 09:14

Noreen

Your question is a fair one. Everyone has different taste in style and looks. When you first started wearing glasses it wasn't popular for a girl or young woman to wear glasses. Young girls were brought up by their mothers that if they wore glasses their chances of getting married wasn't very good. But those days are long gone now. A young or woman wearing glasses is now very much accepted. If you look most all of the young woman's boutique now have several racks of fake glasses just because so many young women have made glasses a fashion accessory must have. That is fine for some but for others they don't want to feel like fraud or fake so they prefer to wear real glasses with a prescription in them even if they have perfect eyesight. For many women wearing glasses provides them with a more professional look and some feel like they will be taken more serious if they are wearing glasses and others glasses gives them more self confidence. It has been proven that wearing glasses is an advantage when interviewing for a job. I can totally understand your point of view on this because your glasses are so strong that even wearing them you no longer have 20/20 vision. Of course no one should ever want that. But as long as these people are only making their eyesight bad enough to require glasses and with their glasses their eyesight is at least 20/20 they are doing no real harm. And as long as they don't go extreme if they were ever to decide on having perfect vision with glasses it can be restored by lasik.Everyone has different opinions of what looks good. Personally i really don't like seeing an attractive young lady with tattoos allover her body. But there are many that find it very attractive.


Noreen 23 Apr 2017, 15:55

I am new to this site, and have been reading this thread today.

I am curious, and somewhat disturbed that people actually try, and some succeed with making themselves nearsighted.

I have been nearsighted since age seventeen, and most likely even before that. I now wear very strong, and thick glasses, and even with them do not have 20/20 vision.

I had periods in my life when I needed to get new, and stronger glasses at least once a year,and a few years more than one time.My optometrist at that time referred to my situation as galloping myopia.

My latest problem is that I now can not read with my glasses on, or off, and have to now wear bifocals.

Why would you want to create eyesight problems that you do not have? I wish that I could go back to normal vision, or at least glasses that are not as strong as I now have.


Maxim 23 Apr 2017, 15:09

To OOps / Linda,

Hello Linda, thank your for your friendly comments,

you've really got a fair knowledge of these things.

Your reply gave me more ideas, what to remember. After reading your comments about childhood hyperopia, forgotten remembrances rose up into my mind.

First, I remember from my days of childhood, that from the age of 10 or 11, I always urged my mother to go for an eye exam. I said, I had vision problems.

I remember - and that was in the first four years of school, that I would always take care of the glasses of a friend, when were playing at the playground, and we were climbing on an installation, that we called "the tower", and he was afraid, that his glasses could fall down and break. He had "plussies" around +3 with prisms (today I that), as he had one eye turned inwards (crosseyed).

And what was the outcome of the eye exams? The doctor said: "Well, your sons vision is not perfect, and I could prescribe glasses, but if he goes without, "this could grow out ...". That was the approach in those days, and I was so disappointed.

Something else I remember is again a hint for my childhood hyperopia. There was a family, longtime friends of my parents, who lived futher away, but used to come for a visit two or three times per year, and vice versa. After one visit, their Grandma hot forgotten her readers (+3.00), and they waited to be returned, but always forgotten.

I knew, where they were lying, and I often wore them, when my parents were away. I not really enjoyed these 'plussies', I was always keen on myopia glasses. But, I remember (remembered only now after your writing), that the near point (they were without any doubt +3.00) was not at 0.33 meters, but somewhere between 1 and 2 meters!! So I learnt from your comments, that I must have had a hyperopia of approx. 2 diopters at this age!

A proverb says: "Man lernt nie aus". Interesting!


oopsI 23 Apr 2017, 05:38

Maxim

I do agree that inducing myopia by overcorrecting is certainly not a thing for everyone as you can gather from this thread. There are quite a few people that seem to be unable to induce any axial myopia, even being quite young when starting the process. From your story, I think you've probably always been a hyperope and could probably have worn a +4.00 (or even higher) correction when you were 20 once you got used to it. I suspect you didn't have a dilated eye exam as a child and have had quite a bit of latent hyperopia until you got your prescription in your late 20's. Maybe you have even lowered your hyperopia by wearing minus correction, we will never know.

But from what I've gathered (by watching vision training videos out of interest and reading some science on it) something called hyperopic defocus/wearing significant negative overcorrection does seem to cause axial myopia, at least in non human animals.

But I agree, likely most of the myopia that's induced by people on this thread is pseudo myopia, as very few people go their eyes tested after not wearing overcorrection for an extended amount of time it's hard to tell. I'm planning on getting my eyes tested about 6 months from now, not having worn correction that day. Even if I end up with a significant increase >0.5 diopters more minus that will not be great evidence as for one it's still only anecdotal and two I've just had an increase in spherical power anyway and after just starting university it's not unlikely that I was to develop a bit more myopia anyway. We will see.

Love, Linda


Maxim 21 Apr 2017, 15:41

PS: In my case, hyperopia looks like a heritage.

Nobody in my family comes to my mind, who is myopic.

But my father's mother, my mother and their brothers, and my sister, all of them lower (between +3.00 and +4.00) hyperopics.

I remember my sister, when she was about 16. We were talking about glasses (my father was wearing readers then), and I knew many facts about the optics of the eye. She asked, how one would know about the need for glasses, as she felt, that she might have difficulties with her vision.

So I asked her to try my father's readers (he had +3.00 readers then), and she could see right away full distance - she could read clearly newspaper headlines in 20 feet / 6 meters, that we could barely see that they were there.

In the next two or three weeks she came home with a +3.50 prescription, and was a permanent wearer from then.


Maxim 21 Apr 2017, 15:25

Hello, Linda, Soundman, and all the others here.

I've got a more general question. I am a bit sceptical about inducing myopia. That comes from my own experience.

Why do young people become hyperopic? Becoming slightly hyperopic is like inducing myopia. If we wear a 'miscorrection' of -1.50 e.g., this has the same effect, as if we were hyperopic. O.k. so far? Why does the hyperopic eye not transform into more myopic - from the need for a +1.50 correction towards +1.00, +0.50 and eventually 0.00 = emmetropic?

My personal experience is that I learned to accommodate - e.g. I could imagine a pencil or a finger just in 50cm in front of my eye. I had been around 20 years then - at the university. After wearing -2.00 for three or four months, I was diagnosed R -1.00/-0.50 at 50 degrees // L -1.00/-0.50 140 deg - that was more than the necessary correction - the ophtalmologist was a bit irritated and said - he said, that must be the astigmatism.

I told my family and everybody that I needed glasses now, and bought a pair of R -1.50/-0.50 and L -1.25/-0.50, a little bit stronger than the prescription. With this prescription I was fine, for distance and for reading and close work as well - for everything, and my dreams had come true, as a permanent wearer of glasses. I always used this prescription, but approx. 8 years later I experienced problems when reading etc.

So I went to the eye doctor, and was diagnosed - not with myopia, no, with hyperopia at least for reading, at R+1.75/-1.00cyl 70 deg // L +1.25/-0.50 cyl 160 deg, if I remember everything right.

I couldn't really believe that, and within three or four months, I went to a different doctor, and he said, he would make a 'full' correction, I should take that forr reading, but within a short time this would be o.k. for distance vision: R +2.00/cyl-1.00 // L +2.00 / cyl -0.50.

And, how right he was! Within two or three years, my hyperoia prescription went up to R +4.00/-1.75 / L +3.25/-1.00 and stabilized then for the years to come.

I had been unable to induce myopia in spite of wearing myopic 'miscorrection' for about eight years, I ended up with a +4.00 hyperopia.


Soundmanpt 21 Apr 2017, 13:58

oopsl

I'm not at all surprised that you have been following this thread for sometime as well as probably other research as well. So you were already considering the idea of working to become myopic even before you were wearing glasses. I know you said that when you were 13 you were given a prescription for glasses of +1.00 as i recall but I don't think you ever got glasses at that time? You really never started wearing glasses until about 6 months ago. I assume it was only after you started wearing glasses full time that you enjoy wearing glasses and have decided to act on your feelings. I don't think you should feel guilty wanting to try and make your eyesight a little worse than it really is. You're not doing any harm to anyone including yourself. You already need glasses full time due to your astigmatisms. All you're really attempting to do because your eyes to need enough correction that your glasses will have a decent enough prescription that your glasses will have some thickness to the lenses as well as a little bit of cut-in showing. You have every right to try and determine what prescription you want your eyes to be. I'm sure that in reading you have seen where inducing becomes much more difficult the closer you get to being in your twenties and your 19 so you know if you're going to act this is when you need to do it to have any real change to change your vision. But there is no way to know for sure if you get some actual myopia or not. But even if after trying there is no change in your real eyesight I don't think you have any plans on wearing your old glasses again. So I think no matter you will continue wearing stronger glasses since your eyes see even better than perfect and you like the looks of the stronger glasses as well.

Only having one cavity is really good. You have no reason to feel bad about that. So you shouldn't feel bad about telling them. And if they are willing to pay for everything you may want to accept. I'm sure their very proud of you for being in med school and you have showed me that your a very smart young lady. I only wish I had met you sooner and had told me why I was going to have trouble down the road. It was at least 3 or 4 years from the time that it broke off before I started getting tooth aches and even headaches from it. That would have given me plenty of time to sign up for dental insurance. Here the first year the insurance hardly covers much but by the 2nd year it pays nearly all of it.


oopsI 21 Apr 2017, 12:25

Soundmanpt

I've been reading up on it for quite some time (I think I've known about this forum for a good three years) but never really acted on my desire to become myopic because I felt guilty about it.

I'm pretty sure I'll be doing okay with -3.5's accommodation-wise. I'll get them as soon as possible and will certainly continue what I'm doing at the moment.

I think if I asked my parents to pay for the visit they'd do that, but I don't want to tell them about the cavity... But I might just swallow my pride there, because I don't really have the money at the moment and the dentist told me to come back soon to avoid root canal treatment which I might need anyways. I hope I can get around that, though. I wish I hadn't avoided making that appointment for a few months though (she thinks blushing). That story about your tooth sounds like fun; not. If you break a tooth it usually dies after a while. Sometimes your immune system can keep the bacteria at bay for years until it gives you trouble with infection and/or pain. But in the end be glad to have it out, because that's a permanent infection going on in your body which really is something you want to avoid .

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 21 Apr 2017, 11:59

oopsl

Once again you have impressed me with how much you must have researched "inducing myopia" before you decided to do it. Yes you're exactly right if you were driving on a daily basis you would have definitely needed to start by wearing the weaker glasses and taken much smaller steps as well. Because even with -1.00 there would have still been a small problem with depth perception as well as some distortion. It would have taken you a good bit longer to get to -1.75. And from what you have said your eyes seem perfectly fine wearing your -2.50 glasses but for some reason you don't like those glasses as much as you like your -1.75 glasses. Linda you know your eyes better than anyone else knows them, so you certainly know how your eyes felt after wearing -3.50 correction for 7 hours. It is noteworthy that 5 of those hours you were studying which means you needed good close vision which didn't seem to bother your eyes at all. I think if it weren't for your eyes getting dry from wearing contacts for so long when your not used to having contacts on for that long you would have wore -3.50 correction even longer if not till the end of the day. And like your -1.75 glasses any depth perception or distortion should go away rather quickly as well.

I was wondering if the dentist visit was something you were going to stuck paying out of pocket fer. I have really good health insurance but i don't have dental insurance either and last summer a tooth in the very back of my mouth which had broke off several years before for no reason started giving me tooth aches until I had no choice but to get it cut out. The actual dental work was actually painless but the bill was a big pain. It cost me $700.00 to get that stupid tooth cut out. But before the end of the day I was eating potato chips without any problem. So I guess that means that you will have to hold off with ordering your glasses for a while? Until then just continue doing what you're already doing doing wear your -2.50 glasses as much as possible and apparently you like wearing your -1.75 glasses better.


oopsI 21 Apr 2017, 10:53

Soundmanpt

I'm glad I don't drive, because for that I would probably have needed a step more (gone from -1 to -1.5 to -2 and then -2.5) to feel safe with it.

I don't quite know how well I see, but it feels pretty much perfect. And again, I wasn't aware how well one could see at night. It's like day time clear just darker, lol. I could even see leaves on trees and stuff, which I never thought to be possible at night.

I don't think testing my eyes with contacts will help much. The accommodation really seemed fine (no sign of a headache after 7 hours, five of which were spend studying) so I'm assuming the real problem will be the distortion. In the morning I usually put on the -2.5's until I leave the house. They feel good I don't notice them much.

I don't quite know when I'll be able to buy the new glasses. The dentist was a surprise, I'll need my first filling... I didn't plan on that and I'll have to pay for that first. (I thought my tooth hurt because I was grinding again, haha)

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 21 Apr 2017, 10:42

oopsl

I just saw you new post. Dentists always make you take off your glasses because they don't want them to be in the way. I assume it wasn't because you couldn't see very well without your glasses but because you have been really trying hard to keep your glasses on from the time you open your eyes in the morning until you close them at bedtime. But some things can't be helped. What if you didn't have contacts to wear? Most likely you weren't trying to focus on anything anyway. not much you can see when your in the chair. Your head is usually facing upwards at a very bright light shining in your eyes. And I don't know about you but I really don't care to see what is going on so I sit with my eyes closed the whole time. It's bad enough hearing the drill I don't need to see it too. But now that you know and as long as you have contacts you might as well wear them instead of your glasses. I hope you don't have to wear the contacts long enough that you get red eyes again. I'm sure you will switch as soon as possible back to your glasses because your contacts don't correct your astigmatisms.


Soundmanpt 21 Apr 2017, 10:21

oopsl

It was very understandable that your depth perception was off quite a bit at first. That was exactly why if you recall my first concern was that you would be driving with your new glasses and misjudge distances of things in front of you. So i was glad that yo said that you don't drive very often. Most people if their nearsighted get their first glasses at -.50, -.75 or even -1.00. But even with such a weak prescription the doctor might still warn them to be careful at first when they drive with their glasses. So yes wearing -1.75 glasses at first would cause your depth perception to off quite a bit even though you were able to see very well with your glasses. The clarity and sharpness was better than you have ever seen it before. Am I right when I say that when you first started wearing the -1.75 glasses when you first put them on in the morning it a short while for your eyes to adjust to them. But each day your eyes have adjusted to them quicker and now when you put them on in the morning your eyes seem to already adjusted to them right away. So they should feel as natural to your eyes as your old prescribed glasses felt. I guess you know that if you were test your eyes wearing your -1.75 glasses on an eye chart you should be able to the very bottom line and who knows you might even be able to read in the lower corner where it says "made in Taiwan" in very tiny print.lol So yes you are in fact seeing as if you have the best ever made HD TV. So yes i'm sure your night vision is also much better as well. I don't know for sure but I think seeing 50% less at night seems on the high side but without a doubt everyone's eyesight should be better in daylight.

I know its not your intention to be wearing contacts, you're clearly wanting to be a glasses only girl. But I didn't know if you might still want to test your eyes anymore wearing -3.50 correction or if you feel certain enough that your eyes are going to be fine wearing -3.50 glasses full time once you get them. Since you're planning on ordering sunglasses in the same prescription you seem content with staying at that prescription for a while. And your glasses should be enough to start showing some results the next tie you get your eyes checked.

When do you plan on ordering your glasses?


oopsI 21 Apr 2017, 09:54

Oh, it was a mistake to wear glasses instead of contacts to the dentist yesterday, because I had to take them off. Happens, I guess, I know better for when I have to go back there next week.


oopsI 20 Apr 2017, 23:55

Maxim

thank you for the link. I will look into it for sure.

love, Linda


oopsI 20 Apr 2017, 23:54

Soundmanpt

Yeah, the depth perceptions was really off in the beginning. I didn't expect to be that effected by the minification.

Yeah, I only got blood shot eyes with the contacts, but I don't really see a reason why I'd need to wear any in the near future.

When I noticed I could see much better at night I was wearing the -1.75's. In those my vision's super HD anyways, but I hadn't realised how well I could see at nicht with them yet. I read somewhere that you're supposed to see 50% less at night and thought I might have been "complaining" or rather noticing about something that was normal. I didn't know that you were supposed to see clearly at night, too, lol.

love, Linda


Soundmanpt 20 Apr 2017, 17:52

oopsl

Okay so that means since I often post to you in the morning it must be mid afternoon for you. So at this moment it is 7:15 PM and I assume it is 2:15 AM for you.

Walking into the bike rack is even worse since you couldn't have been walking very fast. You're depth perception was clearly off quite a bit! But really glad that you weren't hurt except for your pride if anyone saw you.

If you wore -3.50 correction for 7 hours and you were able to see that well and without any sign of a headache that seems to mean that you're eyes are ready for -3.50 glasses. The only problem you seemed to have wasn't from the amount of over correction but rather because of the contacts drying your eyes out. If you're intending on wearing those contacts with your glasses again you probably need some wetting drops for your eyes if you don't already have some. You've been wearing your stronger glasses now for about 2 weeks full time and is this the first time you have even had red bloodshot eyes. You don't normally wear contacts all that long do you? So 7 hours I think is pretty long for someone that doesn't usually wear contacts daily for long hours.

What prescription were you wearing when you noticed that you could see so much better at night? Apparently your actual prescription glasses needed to have a little more minus correction if your able to see that much better now. I'm pretty sure that since you have started wearing stronger glasses and you have found them very comfortable to wear and you're able to see better than perfect wearing them there is no chance you're ever going to wear those glasses you had been wearing that you folded up and put in a drawer.


Maxim 20 Apr 2017, 16:02

To OOps = Linda

Have a look at this CL supplier.

https://www.daysoft.com/row-euro/

(If there are problems, just enter 'daysoft' in Google.

They claim, that they are alright with a standard base curve, and a standard diameter. They only supply spheric values, nothing more complicated as astigmatism (toric) lenses or multifocals (for elder people).

I have bought several times over the years, and their lenses are excellent and not expensive at all.

I feel these are a very good idea for your experiments to come!


Maxim 20 Apr 2017, 15:53

To OOps = Linda

Night myopia is a known phenomenon, and it seems, that you are affected by it.

In Wikipedia it is described as ...

" ... Nocturnal myopia, also known as night or twilight myopia, is a condition in which an individual has a greater difficulty seeing in low-illumination areas, even though his or her daytime vision is normal. Essentially, the eye's far point of an individual's focus varies with the level of light. Night myopia is believed to be caused by pupils dilating to let more light in, which adds aberrations, resulting in becoming more near-sighted. A stronger prescription for myopic night drivers is often needed. Younger people are more likely to be affected by night myopia than the elderly. ...".

taken from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-sightedness


OopsI 20 Apr 2017, 13:50

It weird, I wasn't aware that one's supposed to see this well at night. Everything's dark, but it's still clear. I think I defiantly need more minus at night than at day time.


OopsI 20 Apr 2017, 13:45

Maxim

Thank you :) my eyes feel fine now, but I might have to get some if I'm going to wear contacts more often. For that I should probably get my base curve and diameter checked out, though.


Maxim 20 Apr 2017, 10:53

PS.:

https://www.salus.de/de/marken/salus/salus/kraeuter-augenpflege-01001528/


Maxim 20 Apr 2017, 10:49

To "Oops" = Linda

Concerning

"... my eyes felt very dry and itchy".

You could try the lotion "Salus Augenpflege".

It's an herbal lotion, and you can buy it in a 'Reformhaus' (that's the name in your Northern neighbour country) or in an 'Apotheke'.

The lotion has to be applied on the eye lids, not into the eyes, but it helps a lot against dry eyes.

https://www.medpex.de/testbericht/augenpflege-bad-salus-p87113/


OopsI 20 Apr 2017, 09:19

Soundmanpt

The time difference is 7 hours :)

I wasn't actually on my bike, I walked into a rack outside of uni and I didn't get hurt.

I think I'm going to buy the -3.5s soon, then. In a while I start a time of lectures only, which means people won't notice the glasses changeog as much, I think. If anyone was to notice, which I doubt anyway. Today I wore the -1.75 contacts with the same prescription glasses. I did fine but took them out after about 7 hours after my eyes felt very dry and itchy. I didn't have a headache or anything though. When wearing them I could blur out my distance vision willingly. I remember being able to do that with the -1.75s in the beginning too. Now that is pretty much impossible for me with just the glasses. I guess that's good, too, meaning my muscles have trouble relaxing fully.

Love, the red eyes Linda


Soundmanpt 19 Apr 2017, 16:27

oopsl

By the way I have been meaning to ask you about the time difference between where I am in the US and I am in the Central Time Zone.


Soundmanpt 19 Apr 2017, 16:25

oopsl

As long as you weren't injured or your bike damaged which I assume to be true then I have to admit when I read that you had misjudged where the bike rack was because your glasses caused your depth perception to be slightly flawed I did laugh a little. Now you can understand why I was concerned if you were driving a car wearing stronger glasses until your eyes was fully adjusted. So I felt much better when you said that you don't drive very much.

I agree, if you find that your eyes are going to be okay wearing -3.50 glasses then that should be enough over correction to change your true eyesight. I'm sure that you would agree that so far your eyes have been extremely co-operative with you because they don't seem to mind being considerably over corrected very fast. That would seem to mean that they will become more myopic as well. Just don't be impatient, give your eyes the time they need to change. I think if you can get to -2.00 that would be a perfect prescription for you. You would be nearsighted enough that you would need to wear your glasses full time, but you would still be more than able to function without your glasses if you had to or wanted to. I think it's very likely that by wearing -3.50 glasses that you could get to around -1.50 or maybe as much as -2.00 but probably not any more than that.


oopsI 19 Apr 2017, 13:03

Soundmanpt

Okay, then I'll go for the 1.57 index. It doesn't really matter if I spend 60 or 65 dollars :D As the 1.57 was free on Zenni I got it for the -2.5's and they look a little thinker than the -1.75's but it's not obvious.

I laughed at your reminder, it's true, while I barely noticed the additional accommodation I required for the -2.5's the distortion was pretty obvious. The 360į effect on my laptop is gone, and I don't notice them when walking up the stairs anymore.

I don't think going any higher than maybe -3.5 will do much for the induction, will it? as I'm not planning on inducing anything more than a -2 prescription, especially not within a year or so. What would you say?

Linda


Soundmanpt 19 Apr 2017, 12:12

oopsl

You're likely going to ordering your glasses in a -3.00 or more so that's enough that if yu want to be sure no one will notice any difference in your lenses that you should go with 1.57 lenses. Might be well worth the extra $5.00.

That's right I forgot that you have the -1.75 contacts so even better since you have been wearing your -1.75 most of the time

The -2.50 glasses might not have felt terribly strong when you first tried them but they must have seemed stronger then ten they do now. And your eyes ad to do a little bit of adjusting to them when you started trying to wear them. I seem to remember someone crashing into a bike rack because her depth perception was slightly off. So besides no longer having a distortion problem your depth perception must be much better as well.

It seems like since you are planning on getting the AR coating and ordering sunglasses in the same prescription that you plan on wearing that prescription for a while? That's fine and should be enough to start inducing myopia.


oopsI 19 Apr 2017, 11:23

Soundmanpt

I already checked, I'd be at around 60$ for everything, including tinted lenses and AR coating for the glasses. I wonder if I need to go higher index for the new glasses (the one's I'd be wearing full time, not the sunglasses) as I don't want people to notice the increase at this point. 1.57 isn't free on firmoo, but it's only 5 bucks I think.

I think I'm just going to try wearing -1.75 contacts under the delicate golden frames tomorrow to test how my eyes will cope with that.

When I first put on the -2.5's at home they didn't feel terribly strong but the distortion really bugged me, which it doesn't anymore. I can wear them outside fine.

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 19 Apr 2017, 11:14

oopsl

Oh I didn't know Firmoo was running a buy one get one free deal. That sounds like a fair deal Just check as what your lenses cost. I have seen several comments about various prices for lenses but i assume they might be referring to high index lenses?

As you know from my suggestions I have made for prescriptions to start with I don't want you to rush things or force to much on your eyes too fast. But as you found out rather quickly having you get -1.00 glasses turned out to be a waste of money for you because they hardly had any effect on your eyes. And you very quickly adjusted to your -1.75 glasses with very little if any stress to your eyes. Now you're able to wear the -2.50 glasses and they are already feeling very natural to your eyes. So yes I think you need to increase a bit more when you order new glasses. Just as a test before you order anything why not try wearing your -2.50 glasses for a few days, if not already wearing them full time, and once they are comfortable to you try wearing a pair of your -1.00 contacts along with your glasses. That of course would make the combination -3.50 and that maybe too much stress for your eyes but should give you better idea where you need or want to be with your next glasses. I'm in agreement with you that your eyes shouldn't have any problem wearing -3.00 glasses but depending how your eyes feel wearing -3.50 correction you might decide that -3.25 would be a better option and maybe even -3.50 glasses. You're really the only one that can determine what your eyes are capable of wearing. I don't want to push you and you shouldn't push too hard yourself. So far you have been taking one step at a time and that is exactly the way you should be doing it. I'm sure when your glasses first arrived in the mail and you tried on the -2.50 glasses they should have felt really strong when you first put them on. But after wearing -1.75 for a short time so same -2.50 glasses are now very comfortable to your eyes.


oopsI 19 Apr 2017, 10:28

Soundmanpt

thank you :) Yes, I've seen the reviews. I think I actually found a pair that looks pretty much exactly the same as the -1.75's I have. They are a little cheaper than the pair on Zenni, and with their buy 1 get one free thing I'll be at about the same cost for that pair (in a heavier prescription) and a pair of sunglasses (that's actually really cute) as I'd be at Zenni's for a not so pretty pair of sunglasses (because firmoo's shipping cost and tinted lenses charge are higher.

Do you think I need to go higher in prescription to induce any myopia? Because if so getting a pair of low prescription sunglasses from the opticians near by would be a waist of money.

love,

Linda


Soundmanpt 19 Apr 2017, 09:16

oopsl

I can answer you somewhat about Firmoo. I have never ordered glasses from them for anyone but I have seen in You Tube that they often reach out to people that blog and offer them free glasses if they will then do a review of their glasses on You Tube. They then allow that person to provide someone else with a free pair as part of a contest. This is done of course to promote the company. One thing that Firmoo does is for every pair of glasses that you buy they give a free pair to a person in need of glasses in poor countries. If you go into You Tube you will find a large number of videos with people doing reviews on their glasses.


oopsI 18 Apr 2017, 01:36

Hey :)

Do you know anything about the website firmoo.com ? They have really cute frames and are pretty cheep.

antonio

thanks.


antonio 17 Apr 2017, 14:56

Dear O-OpsI

all you ex-xaggerate in life is not good, Linda,

was it Konfuzius who said that ? :-)

this time itīs up to me to remind you, :-)

best regards, antonio


OopsI 17 Apr 2017, 14:14

Antonio

I'm sorry to say I don't play golf :D

Soundmanpt

The thing about the name thingy's sad, your friend was probably a little jealous. Be proud of that shot, in spite of it requiring a bunch of luck, too.

Yeah, I bet my sister would, if she doesn't already, have trouble seeing the board and will likely be more myopic than I am (maybe even more than I'll ever be, lol).

Sorry, I didn't mean -1.5 glasses but was talking about -1.5D overcorection so my -1.75 glasses. I wondered if in order to induce I should keep more stress on my eyes or if -1.5D over correction would be sufficient for now. I did measurements again. I started out with being able to read clearly with my left eye at 12 cm with the -2.5's now I'm at 9 cm's, the training on my celiar muscles seems to work.

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 17 Apr 2017, 13:52

oopsl

It doesn't hot you until later. The more I thought about it and how rare it really is even for the pros the more I am proud of having done it. Some skill but a lot of luck for sure. Like I said before i'm not really very god in fact I am happy to break 100 for 18 holes. But i have always been pretty good at getting on the greens on par 3's for some reason. Of course to have any chance of getting a hole-in-one you need to do that first and then the rest is just plain luck. As it turned out I now feel really stupid because I was the one that was supposed to buy a round of drinks but I didn't even knew that was an unwritten rule. Funny thing a couple years after that they opened a "Chip and Put" very near my house. A chip and put means that you only bring your chipper and putter because every hole is a par 3 and most all of them are very short. By short I mean like between 50 and 125 yards. So several of my friends wanted to play it because it was lighted so you could play after dark. On the 4th hole which was 63 yards I got a hole in one. I was actually very happy about that because unlike the other one this one I could actually see it go in. I started to go in and tell the people at the desk but my friends started teasing me so i didn't bother. A few years later one of the guys that was with me that first night called and wanted to play that course again for fun. I was shocked that on every hole they had signs with the names and dates when people got hole in ones on each hole. If I had gone I would have had my name listed first on hole #4 and since I didn't say anything i'm not even listed. When I pointed that out to my friend he just laughed and said that I shouldn't have paid any attention to them back then. He even admitted that if he had done he would have gone in and reported it. Thanks a lot friend! Oh well. I can't cry over spilled milk now. Oh and that ball you asked about is in my sock drawer with the scorecard and the newspaper clipping.

I'm glad to hear that between your dad and and you and your mom your going to make sure that your sister gets her eyes examined. Most likely she can't see the board at school very well anymore and as you know it's only going to get worse. I'm sure you don't want her grades to suffer because she isn't seeing properly. It's very possible that she is going to be more nearsighted than you if she gets her glasses very quickly.

I'm sure you were grinning when your mom wanted to use your glasses to read something. You knew your glasses were going to be useless to her of course.

If the -2.50 glasses already feel pretty much normal to you and the -1.75 are now completely normal to you then yes if you think the -2.50 glasses are too extroverted to wear for everyday wear then yes if you want to get a different pair you might as bump up the prescription a little as well. You really impress me with how smart you are with all this. Yes a very good idea to get your glasses made with -3.00 lenses in the same frame as your -1.75 glasses because that way no one will notice any difference in your glasses. Very smart thinking. And why not go ahead and get your sunglasses at the same time? You have be confused abut what you were referring to about -1.50 glasses? Remember I am older and don't think as fast as you do.


antonio 17 Apr 2017, 13:32

hi OOpsI,

wear your new golden glasses next time,

then the hole-in-one will be a lot easier for you :)

and it will be a hole, not an unsharp ellipsoid, what you see

this time,

no surprise you missed it last time :-)

best regards to you, Linda, antonio


oopsI 17 Apr 2017, 12:53

Soundmanpt

thank you :)

Getting a Hole-In-One must be amazing. Have you witnessed anyone else getting one before? Did they give out drinks? Where do you keep such a secrete golf ball?

My dad overheard it, yes. I think he'll take her, but I'll remind her to ask him or my mum. Funnily enough just yesterday it was pretty dark and my mum wanted to read something and asked to borrow my glasses for it. I handed them to her with a grin and after trying to read with them on she just looked at me in shock :D Like: "Why do you do this to me?" I also been asked if I started wearing glasses by my sister. Very confusing when you have been wearing glasses for over a year.

So I think the -2.50's are a little too extroverted for everyday use (when I wear them I feel pretty normal now) and as the -1.75's feel completely normal by now I wonder if I need to go higher? If so I might order -3.00's from Zenni in the same frame as my -1.75's and order a pair of sunglasses too. Or will -1.50 overcorrection work nearly as well as a higher amount of overcorrection?

Linda


Soundmanpt 15 Apr 2017, 11:19

oopsl

I nearly forgot to wish you a happy Easter as well.


Soundmanpt 15 Apr 2017, 11:04

oopsl

Yeah unlike being farsighted or nearsighted only a small amount of astigmatism can cause headache problems.

I had no idea about several things when I got that hole in one. I didn't know that it was an unwritten rule and who knows maybe it is even written somewhere that the person getting a hole in one is supposed to buy a round of drinks for your playing partners. So stupid me never did that and I wasn't told that until weeks later. The worse thing an average golfer could want is to get a hole in one on the second hole. The news spread all over the course and I could see people watching me on every hole after that. I have no idea how they found out. I assume the course marshall was told by the group ahead of us because they were standing right next to the green when I hit my shot. In fact I knew I had ht a good shot but because it was so flat it was hard to actually see the ball go in the hole. It was those guys up by the green that started jumping up and down and yelling that made me know that I in fact had hit it in. Anyway after that hole I really had to try and play at least reasonably good with so many eyes on me. It turns out that course sends it into the newspapers and I didn't know about that either until I came into work and one of the guys that I work with was in the foursome put a copy of the newspaper on my desk. So they also turned into that "Hole-In-One" group. I of course have the ball as well as the scorecard I forgot to pickup the tee.

I didn't think you would say anything about over correcting. So you can't take your sister with you to get her eyes examined. Did your mom or dad hear her saying how well she could see wearing your glasses? Do you think they will take her since you can't? When she goes she will be getting glasses without any doubt.


oopsI 14 Apr 2017, 23:43

Soundmanpt

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly how I feel. When I first got glasses I was surprised to find that I stopped getting a headache most days. I was wondering if the typical axises (90/180į) are really common or if it's more of a sign for a quick eye exam. I even remember returning my glasses from a cheep place and getting them redone for free when the axis was slightly off.

So they just found out you scored a hole in one? That's odd.

I obviously didn't tell them I was overcorrecting that would be awkward. And my sister seemed surprised by all the details she could make out which sort of sounds like she really is shortsighted. She's only 13 which means I can't take her to an optician to get her eyes checked, because she needs to see an eye doctor for that. My dad actually wears readers (progressives with 0 prescription for the distance section).

Enjoy your easter, Linda


Soundmanpt 14 Apr 2017, 15:39

oopsl

I think that having a -.50 astigmatism correction effects your vision more than a -.50 SPH correction. Most people hardly notice any difference at all if they only have a -.50 SPH prescription. But it is not at all unusual for someone with only a -.50 CYL to get many of the same effects that you notice an even headaches can be a result as well. So you're correct in that it really isn't very much but once you started wearing your glasses full time you were sure to notice it more when you had your glasses off. I've told this before but the young lady that used to cut my hair only had 0.00 SPH and -.75 CYL 180 axis in both eyes and these were her first glasses. She was in shock when she was told that she needed to wear her glasses full time. But the only reason she even got her eyes examined was because she always seemed to get a headache around midday. During her eye exam she said that she didn't have any problem at all seeing everything she was asked on the eye chart. So that was why she was even shocked that even needed glasses. But once she got them she soon found out that as soon as a headache started to come on she would put on her glasses and withing a few minutes the headache was gone. But when I first met her she even showed me that she could take off her glasses and still read license plates on cars in the parking lot rather easily. So i'm sure that een though you were wearing your glasses full time you were still more than able to function pretty well without them, but just more comfortable with them on of course.

Guess what? I didn't know there was a "Hole-In-One-Club" either until I started getting mail. I now have a rather large collection of a very nice magazine simply called "Golf" with all sorts of golf tips and articles. I get one every month.

It seems like your left eye might change a bit sooner than your right eye since it seems to be weaker.

So the family has had a chance to see you wearing your new glasses and it seems like everything went just fine. Mom is probably more into conventional looking glasses. You know something maybe in a rectangle shape or possibly even a cateye shape. But i'm sure the more she got used to seeing you wearing them they probably did grow on her a bit. You're brother had no chance at all of being able to see much of anything with your glasses. And your sister, if she was really able to see that good wearing your glasses really does need to get her eyes checked. I assume she doesn't wear glasses at the moment? As you know nearly everyone can see better being slightly over corrected but not by -1.75. Maybe when you go for your sunglasses you could take her with you so she can get her eyes examined so she can get herself a pair of glasses. Your dad being older is much more likely to be close to if not already there needing reader's. So your glasses would do nothing to help him. When you say you explained a little about presbyopia to him and accommodation but I assume you didn't say anything about how your glasses are actually over correcting your eyes did you?


oopsI 14 Apr 2017, 13:08

Today was funny, though.

I was wearing my -1.75's to visit my family. My mother was funny as she said she was glad my glasses had been so cheep, because she didn't think they suited me, lol. She seemed to grow on them throughout the day, though.

When we were at dinner my brother tried on my glasses. His eyes are very different prescription wise, one eye needs no correction and the other's like a +5 or something. When he put my glasses on he asked if they were even prescription, lol. Then my sister tried them on and was shocked to see how clear the world could be. "I can see everything" She said wide eyed. I think someone needs to see an ECP, lol. My father was shocked to see how little he could see through them, I explained the whole presbyopia and accommodation thing a little.

Just thought I'd share that with you.

Love, Linda.


oopsI 14 Apr 2017, 13:01

Soundmanpt

I mean my astigmatism's prescription's really light and I could easily go without it in terms of functioning, but it's just a lot more comfortable to have correction for it if I can. I think I'm gonna get a pair within the next few weeks.

I didn't know there was a real Hole-in-One Club, that's fun.

Antonio

Well, yes I could hardly read the board with both eyes/my right eye and I couldn't read what it said at all with my left eye. I think it's weird that my eyes basically have the same prescription, yet behave so differently. But as long as I get to 100% vision with correction I think I'm okay.


Soundmanpt 14 Apr 2017, 09:58

oopsl

You might have been a bit misleading but I also forgot that whenever you wear contacts you also need to be wearing glasses due to your astigmatisms. So you can't very well only wear a pair of your -1.75 contacts along with non prescription sunglasses even if you still had them. Okay so now I get it bu getting sunglasses in your actual prescription then of course you could wear a pair of -1.75 contacts and see perfectly. Prices for glasses and contacts are certainly much less in Austria than they are in the US. Yes if you can can your eyes checked and prescription sunglasses for less than $20.00 why not? What you're seeing when you have tested your eyes is false or pseudo myopia. It's amazing how fast even after wearing your glasses all day that after you take them off your vision is nearly completely restored to normal. But like you noticed a small amount of the blur remains bit longer. After a few more minutes without your glasses even tat blur would go back to normal. You want it to take longer and longer for your vision to go back to normal until it longer goes back to being completely normal anymore. But like you know that will take more than a few days of wearing glasses for that to happen. The best way to really tell if there is any change in your vision is when you first wake up and open your eyes and look around at your surroundings. Is things more blurry than before? The reason mornings is best is because your eyes have had a full night of sleep to completely recover to their natural state.

In my younger days I pretty much played every sport but with age and bad knees those days are in my past. Trust me bone to bone arthritis in both knees is no fun at all. Some days even walking is very painful. So those days with little or no pain are a blessing and and try my best to use them on the golf course. I am nit all that good but I will die happy because I did manage to get a hole in one a few years ago. A nice long one in fact 178 yards. Because of that I get literature every month from the Hole-In-One Club.


antonio 14 Apr 2017, 03:45

hi OOpsI,

wow from what you describe . your experiences being able

to read the sign only from 3 m away you are really a shortsighted lady now,

pseudomyopia or not you said you can hardly read the whiteboard any more ?

So please be a little careful wearing your -2,5 ones too much,

just let your nice golden frames do their effect and find out you like that state or not.

I think your left eyes often fails to read because of astigmatism you have, if thatīs corrected by a lens for you Iīm glad you enjoy even better view, who knows on what this

is depending: more spherical shaped retina, clear crystalline lens, a little bit of uncorrected astigmatism in your right eye, perfect eye muscles , good shaped pupille, who knows, so nice you can see so good in glasses with it :-)

best regards, Linda, antonio


oopsI 14 Apr 2017, 02:48

Soundmanpt

The testing's gonna stop now anyways, but I had a few "landmarks" of which I know how well I could read them before hand and the whiteboard was one of them. What's good to read is that the persistent blurriness is pseudo myopia, I thought that was the blurriness I lost instantly when taking the glasses off. Then I don't mind so much.

I might have been a little misleading when telling you I wanted to get prescription sunglasses. I actually don't have any sunglasses at the moment because I moved last autumn and I must have misplaced them. So if I got non prescription sunglasses they would be like 10-15 $ anyways. Because I don't like going without correction for my astigmatism (I think I'm just very much used to the correction of it and everything looks so wavy and uncomfortable without it) I was thinking I could get prescription sunglasses (at my regular prescription) and wear contacts with them. I didn't expect to get a decent prescription in them anyways. I also don't worry much that my experiment already shows an effect (the eye wouldn't be able to grow significantly within days, I'm aware of that), but more so about my prescription just changing in general. But if you say that the blurriness that remains when taking off my glasses is pseudo myopia I'm not concerned anymore.

That auction sounds like fun, though 38,000 $ actually sounds cheeper than I would have guessed. Sports are enjoyable, I like running but haven't played a lot of golf :D An aunt has a gold court in her garden where I tried and failed miserably.

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 13 Apr 2017, 15:31

oopsl

Glad to hear that you doing so well with wearing not only the -1.75 glasses but even the -2.50 glasses. As long as your eeys are comfortable with wearing the -2.50 glasses it's perfectly fine to wear them. It makes sense that on a nice sunny day you might prefer to be wearing sunglasses rather than your regular glasses. And since they are the only ones that you have a clip for, why not wear them?

You may want to test your eyes on a daily basis but doing so is really counter productive to what you're trying to do. You've only been wearing stronger glasses for a few days, it takes much longer than that to permanently effect or change your eyes. Of course your eyes are doing extremely well with adjusting to over correction. But right now what you're seeing is false myopia when you take your glasses off. So it is completely normal that for a few short seconds everything is quite blurry because your eyes are instantly missing that extra -1.75 that your glasses were supplying. But very quickly your eyes recover and start to return to normal. A little bit of blur might remaining is what you want to happen the more and longer you wear your glasses. Remember this is not going to happen overnight. Changes in your vision is going to be a slow process even though your eyes seem to be very happy with being over corrected. So I know you want sunglasses but if they also refract your eyes you're not going to be getting -1.75 or -2.50 sunglasses based on what they come up with for a prescription. Seems to me you would only be wasting your $20.00. You already have -1.75 contacts why not just wear them and then you can wear your non prescription sunglasses that you already have?

I know because you're feeling so comfortable wearing even the -2.50 glasses that you are thinking that things are really happening fast and that scares you that your eyes might be getting worse as well. Trust me you have to wear your glasses for much longer than a week before you can even really assume there has been any actual change in your vision. That' why I keep reminding you that it's not as much about the strength of the glasses you're wearing as it is wearing them constantly for weeks and even months to get "real" change.

Well i'm glad to hear that you aren't as busy studying as I thought you might be. Like you I also enjoy spending lots of time on the internet as well. Of course as well know everyone in this country is talking politics with everything going on in the world today. Scary times ahead I fear. And like today for example I met up with a friend that I have known since I was about 15. We usually meet once a week at a sports bar for lunch and watch whatever is on the various TV's, Today we mostly watched a car auction of vintage expensive cars. There was even a 1914 Ford fire truck in the auction. It sold for $38,000.00. I enjoy nearly every sport and enjoy playing golf when my knees feel up to it.


oopsI 13 Apr 2017, 09:48

Hi Soundmanpt,

yes, I'm surely getting more used to them. As it was sunny today I took the opportunity to try the -2.50 glasses (with clip on sunglasses) outside again and I didn't have any problems. I noticed them, but they felt more like the -1.75's felt when I put them on first.

I don't expect anyone to notice either, but better safe than sorry, I guess.

Out of curiosity I tested my vision in school today by looking at a white board. When I take the glasses off my vision adjust quickly (it's really blurry first, but get's better), but some sort of blurriness remains (more than I remember). I could read what was on the board, but it wasn't easy and with my left eye I couldn't do it at all. I haven't done that test since about February where I was easily able to do it. This kind of progression sort of concerns me... As I'd like sunglasses with correction for my astigmatism anyway and I found a place that sells them here for about 20 dollars (that includes refraction) I think I'm going to get a pair and see what the eye test says. Not that I don't want my vision to get progressively worse, but the speed at which this seems to happen is a little worrisome.

I actually don't study that much and so I have a lot of extra time. I love just waisting time on the internet when I'm home. I also like spending time with friends and I'm engaged in a few political activities (I do a lot of demonstrations, etc. ...). I also draw and craft a good bit.

Love, Linda.


Soundmanpt 13 Apr 2017, 09:17

oopsl

So it seems with each passing day your glasses are feeling more and more natural to you which is exactly the way you want your glasses to feel. The distortion seems to be slowly getting better as well and the same with moving your head fast. I think is probably caused by your peripheral vision still adjusting. You probably notice your glasses more when you first put them on in the morning than you do at the end of the day. At the end of the day do you eyes feel more tired now that your wearing stronger glasses or not any different than they did with your own prescribed glasses?

I really don't think that your mom is going to notice anything other than the fact that your wearing new glasses. She was probably more likely to ask questions when you first started wearing glasses full time. But it is always a good idea to be prepared just in case. I'm not at all surprised that you have an answer prepared. Since you;re a medical student telling her that you're wearing a slightly stronger prescription to reduce or eliminate the need for reading glasses could well be form something you learned at school about vision.

Based on your own mini eye test it would seem that your left eye is considerably weaker than your right eye so that could be from things you were already doing before you got your current glasses. Your right eye will likely get weaker as well.

So just curious what doe a 20 year old girl do for fun in Austria? I know you probably spend a good deal of time with studying but you must enjoy other things as well?


oopsI 12 Apr 2017, 10:41

Soundmanpt

with the -1.75 vision wise everything's perfect and I don't notice much distortion anymore. What I notice is when I turn my head fast everything 'moves' if that makes sense. That's a lot less noticeable now, too. Same goes for the -2.50. With the -2.50 glasses when I close one eye I lose focus and go back to staying in focus quickly, but when I use both eyes I don't notice that effect. I barely notice the glasses anymore (-1.75's).

If my mum somehow found out I'd probably tell her that's to avoid presbyopia as I think that's actually a reasonable excuse. As I've been wearing my glasses full time anyway it doesn't matter much if I am a tiny bit shortsighted or moderately (to an extend where reading without glasses is still an option) so. At the moment no one's aware of my real prescription, though (one myopic friend asked recently after I asked for her prescription and I told her I was a -1.5).

You read that right exactly. I couldn't read that sign with my left eye at all without correction, with correction I could read it fine something like 40 feet away. With my right eye I could read the sign at about 20 feet I'd say. It was rather poorly light, though. I find it quite interesting, because I've been noticing my left eye being pretty week without correction even at day time but with correction it seems to be better than my right eye.


Soundmanpt 12 Apr 2017, 10:02

oopsl

So far wearing the -1.75 glasses you have been able to see fine with them for everything from seeing overheads to reading very small print with no sign of any headaches? You mentioned something about distortion once. How is that now? Does your depth perception seem to be getting better the more you're wearing your glasses? Okay so enough with the thousand questions. Seeing the glasses you picked out I think your mom will say she likes how they look on you just fine. I'm sure that your mom will only notice the difference in frames from what she is used to seeing you wearing but she won't notice that your lenses are stronger. It is usually best when you're doing what you're doing nit to tell anyone including boyfriends, girlfriends and not even your mother. This may sound like a crazy question but if your to somehow get caught by your mom and she asked you why you were doing it? What would be your answer to her as to why you want to make your eyesight worse than it is? You seem to be a very smart young woman so I have a feeling that you would have an answer in mind just in case. You don't seem the type that often gets caught off guard. I don't think any of your friends that might ask to try on your glasses would be able to remember what your previous glasses were like compared to your new ones. Most likely some of your friends might have tried on your previous glasses right after you got them. So hardly any chance they would remember from back then anyway.

I started to ask you when you commented something about when you were testing your eyes that without glasses in poor lighting you couldn't read a sign even from close up with your left eye but you could see it fine with your right eye. With your glasses on you could see it fine with both eyes. Did I read that right? So it sounds like your left eye might be considerably weaker than your right eye even though your natural vision is the exact same in both eyes.


oopsI 11 Apr 2017, 14:50

The sign was like three meters in the air, so I couldn't really get closer


oopsI 11 Apr 2017, 14:49

Hey Antonio,

maybe it doesn't have a huge effect, I don't know. I'll try avoiding it again. I was literally standing in front of the sign, it was like one to two meters. It was dark, though (artificially lightened) I could make out the words with my right eye at that distance.

Thank you for your encouragement.

Have a good night, Linda


antonio 11 Apr 2017, 14:37

hi OopsI,

I donīt think it affects your eyes testing them,

how far was that sign away you couldnīt read with your left eye ? and you didnīt write about your right one ?

Seems your glasses start to help you reading far ? :-)

glad to hear they do :-)

good you donīt wear your -2,5 ones, donīt want to grope for them in the morning before seeing them :-)

yes, minus glasses minify the image of the world to you, hopefully sharpening it a bit for you,

thatīs the fishbowl effect you might describe, because all is looking a bit smaller in them you have problems to estimate

distances, OOpsI in them and walked into that bike rack,

but your brain will adjust to it wearing them, itīs a question

of getting used to them I think and you just made a bit jump in prescription thatīs why,

have great days full of visual tension and good events,

best regards to you Linda, Antonio


oopsI 11 Apr 2017, 13:30

Soundmanpt

I don't know what my mum will say, I hope she'll like them. I told her I bought some glasses online, but I haven't told her about the induction of myopia I'm working on. I think she'd talk me out of it if I did. I highly doubt she'll notice the lenses being stronger, but I'll just say that I got quality, high index, lenses before and in order for theses glasses to be so cheep the lenses are less thin. She has not tried on my old glasses and except for a few good friends no one has. If they want to try on my new ones I'm probably going to use the higher index excuse to explain why the lenses feel stronger, too. I doubt anyone knows how this works, anyway.

I tested it a few times, but non of them were longer than a minute. I'm really interested to see how this will evolve.


Soundmanpt 11 Apr 2017, 13:14

oopsl

Oh and I am glad that most everyone liked your glasses. What are you expecting your mom to say about your glasses? She doesn't know anything about what you're doing does she? Do you think that she will notice that your glasses look a little bit stronger than before or does she even notice things like that? Will she be wanting to try your glasses on herself? Or do you think she will only notice that you got new glasses and that will be the end of it?


Soundmanpt 11 Apr 2017, 13:08

oopsl

I would think you were lying if you said that you didn't cheat at least some. So you're at least being honest about doing a quick check to see how fast your natural vision returns when ou take your glasses off. I totally get that. But you know not to do that too often and I am guessing your test only lasted a few minutes before you had your glasses back on. The real test will be in a couple months when you get your eyes checked at school to see if there has been any change.


oopsI 11 Apr 2017, 12:33

Soundmanpt

Today I probably messed up my progress a bit I think, because I felt the need to test how fast my eyes get back to seeing non-blurry outside. It takes only a second or two to go back to "okay" vision when I take the glasses off. What was interesting is that I checked with signs where I tested how far away i was able to read them (guess-read as well as read clearly) and was shocked to find that I could not get close enough to one of the signs to read it with my left eye and no correction, while I could read it at like ten yards away with the glasses on. I'll try to stop myself for a month before checking again.

Okay, perfect. I'm getting more used to the -1.75's for sure, but it's not like my old glasses yet.

Shipping was 10 bucks and you're right, it's cheeper to go contacts and sun glasses.

My friends noticed, most thought they looked great. I have not seen my mum yet, I'm interested to hear what she thinks as she's very open about stuff :D

Have a good day,

Linda


Soundmanpt 11 Apr 2017, 10:28

oopsl

That's good! Wearing the -1.75 glasses really seems like exactly where you need to be starting. Even though your eyesight seems to be quite good wearing them their still over correcting your eye by quite a bit. You want to wear them until they feel exactly like your -.25 -.50 / -.25 -.50 glasses felt on your eyes. In other words you want them to feel completely natural at all distances. Around your house or whenever you just feel like wearing the -2.50 glasses that is fine to do but probably not when you're going to be riding your bike. lol Your depth perception doesn't seem top be far off already wearing the -1.75 glasses and should continue to even get better with each passing day of wearing your glasses.If your eyes feel comfortable doing close work wearing the -2.50 glasses you might want to wear the -1.75 glasses during the day at school and other things and switch to the -2.50 glasses when you're at home reading and studying.

As for as sunglasses goes if you're going to be outside most of the day you can always wear a pair of your -1.75 contacts with a pair of non prescription sunglasses which I bet you already have. Because your "actual" prescription is pretty weak you were able to see well enough that you would wear regular sunglasses on sunny days. It could be a waste of money even buying the cheapest sunglasses because the shipping might be as much if not more than the shipping. By the way how much was the shipping of your glasses? You thought it was going to be $10.00 was that what it ended up being? Also I assume by now several people have seen you wearing some of your new glasses. Have you gotten any comments or complements on your glasses?


oopsI 11 Apr 2017, 09:37

Thank you :) I'm sure my eyes just have to get used to it.


Maxim 10 Apr 2017, 13:42

to Linda:

From my own experience with GOC:

Our eyes and our brains "accomodate" (they adapt to ..) with this new situation. Only half an hour or so is not enough, after a whole day e.g. after 4 to 6 hours), things are much better!


oopsI 10 Apr 2017, 12:42

Soundmanpt

I was wearing the -2.50 ones when walking into the bike rack and feeling dizzy. The -1.75 are fine for everything including biking. There is a bit of a "fish bowl effect" but I don't notice it much unless I walk up or down a stair case.I also enjoy very much how clear everything is, especially at night/in the dark.

Do you think my depth perception will adapt quicker if I wear the -1.75's all the time? Or can I wear the -2.50's at home, still?

Yeah, I saw Zennis offered amber tint (I got amber clip ons). I'm not sure if I want to buy sunglasses yet, as I feel like it's a waste of money and resources to buy just one pair at once.

I'm glad my English is alright, I'm always trying to improve it a bit :)

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 10 Apr 2017, 09:29

oopsl

I think wearing the -1.75 glasses as your main ones is a very good idea. And no harm if you feel like wearing the -2.50 glasses around your house. Hoe is your depth perception wearing your -1.75 glasses when riding your bike? Were you wearing the -1.75 glasses when you felt dizzy and walked into a bike rack or was that with the -2.50 glasses. It makes sense that even though you can see quite well wearing over correction as far as clarity goes, but because your eyes are adjusted to the extra minus your depth perception is going to be off. That is why you need to settle on which glasses you intend on wearing and your depth perception will slowly get better as your eyes adjust.

I'm sure you noticed that Zenni offers amber tint for sunglasses and that's fine if that is what you like and are used to wearing.

Your English is perfect as good if not better than mine and I am in the US.


oopsI 10 Apr 2017, 04:30

Sorry for double posting, ignore the first one.


oopsI 10 Apr 2017, 04:29

Just came back food shopping and I really think I have to start with the -1.75, at least when I'm spending time outside. I feel really dizzy and I walked into a bike rack, lol. I also have a slight headache whenever I'm outside, as soon as I'm doing something closeup that's gone again. I think it's not so much the over-accommodation, but the minification I'm having trouble with, because now that I'm sitting and reading I'm alright.

Also please tell me if I make mistakes in English, I'm glad to know, especially if I a mistake is recurrent.

oopsI


oopsI 10 Apr 2017, 04:27

Just came back food shopping and I really think I have to start with the -1.75, at least when I'm spending time outside. I feel really dizzy and I walked into a bike rack, lol. I also have a slight headache whenever I'm outside, as soon as I'm doing something closeup that's gone again. I think it's not so much the over-accommodation, but the minification I'm having trouble with, because now that I'm sitting and reading I'm alright.

oopsI


oopsI 10 Apr 2017, 00:21

Soundmanpt

Yeah, I'm not going to send them back and maybe I'll need them at some point for whatever reason.

As I like the -1.75 frame the most I'm probably going with them for now and the -2.50 at home where I can easily change them back if I was to get a head ache. I also don't yet feel comfortable on a bike with the -2.50 glasses, because my depth perception's a little odd.

I'm aware of the charge, but in the end it's still only a few days of contacts with like h&m sunglasses. I usually like my sunglasses amber, I'll see.

Love,

Linda


Soundmanpt 09 Apr 2017, 17:47

oopsl

Yes i'm glad they were only $7.00 so you really aren't out a lot of money and it was better to be safe rather than sorry. You or I had no idea that your eyes were going to be so easy to adjust to even stronger glasses right away. It would be pointless to send them back when you would only get a half refund. I'm sure the shipping back to Zenni would probably cost you more than the $3.50 you would get back. And like you say now that you have seen those glasses at some point you may want to reorder them in whatever becomes your actual prescription. You said that you have been wearing the -2.50 glasses intermittently for about 2 hours today. I'm sure when you first put them on you get the feeling of a headache coming on because your eyes are working to focus. Once your eyes get focused you're able to see fine and that headache feeling goes away. Nearly everyone that either gets their first glasses or gets an increase seems to have that feeling like their in a fishbowl looking out effect. You just have to give your eyes a little time to adjust. You want the push on your eyes but not if it becomes too uncomfortable. There is no harm if you have to wear the -1.75 glasses for a little while. I totally agree with you about taking things slowly but I have only been letting you determine what feels right to your eyes. No I didn't mean that you should even consider going to anything stronger than where you're at now. I only mentioned it to show you that it won't be necessary if and when you're ready to go stronger by using what you already have by combining contacts with glasses.

The sunglass clip is functional but everyone still knows that you're wearing glasses with a clip. If you get prescription sunglasses most people won't be able to tell that their prescription and they do look better than the clip. If you pick a $7.00 pair of glasses remember that they charge $5.00 to tint them. If you like your sunglasses nice and dark Zenni, and I, recommend that you get the 80% grey tint.


mp331 09 Apr 2017, 15:36

seeing starbursts around street lights in glasses but everything else is clear and sharp.

any ideas what could be causing it?


antonio 09 Apr 2017, 13:37

hi OOpsI,

well then donīt exaggerate, OOpsI,

-1,75 really is enough

and the golden ones are marveillous on you I guess,

and think about your eyes can get worse on their own

while studying a lot,

so please donīt exaggerate,

best regards,

antonio


oopsI 09 Apr 2017, 12:36

Add:

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I react to this so well. The years of reading really closely seem to pay off and I still want to be shortsighted, but I don't want to be blind without my glasses if that can be avoided.


oopsI 09 Apr 2017, 12:27

Soundmanpt

Don't worry, remember, I got them without AR coating and stuff so they were literally 6.95. And now I know that I like that frame, which is nice.

I have been wearing the -2.50 glasses intermittently for about two hours today. When I put them on I feel like I'm gonna get a headache from them, but after a few minutes I feel good. The distortion still bugs me a bit, though. As I move my head the world moves if that makes sense.

I got the sun glass clip on, but I don't really like the look of it. I'm not sure maybe I'll buy a pair of the 6.95 glasses with tinted lenses soon. It's good to have the clip ons, though.

About going any higher than -2.50 for now I'm a little worried. I don't want to end up too shortsighted (I'd really like to avoid anything higher than -4.00). I know it's unlikely that I induce that much, but right now I feel like my eyes might have waited for the opportunity to grow, if that makes any sense (my prescription was stable for about 1.5 years before I started university and from my reaction to the -1.00 glasses (I see better) I might have benefited from another quarter of a diopter increase). I don't want to rush things and I think I want to analyze how my eyes react to the overcorrection before I try anything else. I want to make sure I don't regret this (if I actually go up to a moderate prescription I'm sure that would happen without trying to induce any myopia anyway, I just don't want to over do it).

Love,

Linda


Soundmanpt 09 Apr 2017, 11:56

oopsl

I really feel bad for having you buy the -1.00 glasses because as you said wearing them hardly made any difference to your eyesight. And even the -1.75 glasses apparently are perfectly comfortable to you even wearing them all day your eyes seemed fine. If they don't feel like they are pushing your eyes then I think going to the -2.50 glasses is a good idea as well. The feeling your getting from wearing those glasses is what you want. You want your eyes to feel like your glasses are too strong. And you seem to have to work a bit to keep distances in focus. So far you have taken some big steps in a very short time. You should be very happy that your eyes are behaving so well. They really seem just fine with being over corrected by quite a good bit. I guess once the -2.50 glasses are completely comfortable and don't feel strong anymore you should try wearing -1.00 contacts with your -2.50 glasses or you can wear your -1.75 contacts with your -1.75 glasses. Either way that would be -3.50. I'm glad you were able to adjust the nose pads so they are comfortable on your nose now. Have you figured out how to use the sunglasses clip yet? I think when putting it on you will have to take your glasses off so you slide it on in the correct position. But you should be able to slide it off without taking your glasses off rather easily. But kind of nice to have a sunglasses clip on a sunny day.


oopsI 09 Apr 2017, 01:47

So after a day of overcorrection I'm wondering how I should go on about this. I stink starting with the -1.00 glasses doesn't make much sense, but the -1.75 ones feel very comfortable, too and now I'm considering going for the -2.50 glasses right away, as they seem to be pushing me a little (with those I actually notice that they are too strong for my eyes, I can still read just fine, but I can feel them a lot more and at distance I sometimes lose focus, which I don't with the -1.75 ones).


oopsI 08 Apr 2017, 13:18

Soundmanpt

Thank you for all the help and guidance you've been giving. I'm so happy I discovered this forum.

Having the contacts at hand (and being able to get any sort of prescription

contacts at virtually any time will come in hand, especially if I'm going to get anything stronger eventually. After going mostly -1.75 today and not having much trouble at all I think going for those right away is a good decision. I did some studying with the -2.50 ones just now and that wasn't a problem either.

I found the right adjustment to the glasses, I think and they feel nice on my nose now.

I'm glad I have no problem reading with the overcorrection at all and happy I don't suffer headaches, either. I was worried a few hours earlier that a headache was about to start, but it didn't. Drinking lots of water seemed to help.

Cheers,

Linda


Soundmanpt 08 Apr 2017, 12:31

oopsl

I knew you weren't serious about showering with glasses on. But you maybe surprised that some people actually do wear their glasses while showering on purpose and some just forget to take them off. I don't know if you have already figured this out or not but because you also have 2 different prescriptions of contacts along with your 3 new pairs of glasses with various prescriptions you have quite a an array of prescriptions to wear. They range anywhere from -1.00 to as much as -4.25. I'm sure that you're having fun testing your eyes with some of the various options you can create by wearing your glasses along with contacts. And it's nice that your eyes don't seem to object much to so much over correction already. But you know that you really should take things a little slower to start. Based on the descriptions you have been providing about how your eyes have been reacting to some of these various prescriptions. The -1.00 glasses are really cute and I can see why you like them, but even though the are considerably stronger than the glasses you have been wearing I think you would be able to wear them and they would just feel very natural to your eyes. But I think the -1.75 glasses is going to push your eyes more and that is what you want and need. It also helps that you seem to really like those glasses so that is going to make you enjoy wearing them. And you are a female so looks are important to you so I have a feeling these glasses look really cute on you. Also if a friend recently got glasses nearly like your -1.00 glasses you might not want to feel like you copied her glasses. Now you just need to get used to the nose pads. You said that your glasses feel heavy on your nose. Your lenses aren't that strong to make then feel heavy. It must be where they are sitting on your nose that bothers you? Those pads are adjustable, just be careful if you adjust them. Use your thumps and push them if you want them spread apart. that will make your glasses sit lower on your nose. If you push the pads closer together your glasses will be slightly higher on your nose. Just make any adjustments slowly so you don't break them. Or of course you can take them to any optical shop and have them adjust them for you.

The sunglass clip should slide down over the bridge of your glasses and should be on the outside of the nose pads. Between the nose pads and the frame. They shouldn't hit your lenses because that could cause scratches on your lenses. You will probably have to take your glasses off to put on the clip because they fit looks like it will be very close and hard to do wearing your glasses.

You have to be thrilled that your eyes seem to enjoy so much over correction. I noticed that you wore over correction all day yesterday without even a slight headache.


oopsI 08 Apr 2017, 11:18

Soundmanpt

I must say I wasn't quite serious with the showering :D My bathroom's tiny anyway.

I tried reading with contacts and all three glasses. It was fine for both -1.00 and -1.75 glasses at my normal reading distance for my phone (6-7 inches) and a little harder with the -2.50 ones. I'm wearing those right now and without contacts they are quite comfortable. Today I also don't have a headache at all, despite having worn an overcorrection for the entire day. I really like the -1.00 glasses (and my vision's so perfect in them :O) but actually a friend of mine just got new glasses about a week ago and they look practically the same and now I find the idea of wearing them out sort of rude.

What I struggle with a bit is the distortion, especially with the -2.50 glasses. Not so much while reading (though my laptop looks like on of those 360į TVs, now), but when I walk it's an odd feeling.

The clip on shades are for the -2.50 frames. I haven't quite gotten the hang of them yet, as I find it hard to clip them on and I'm not quite sure where they actually go (do the "clips" go onto the lenses or in the middle, next to the nose pads?), but I like the tint they have.

I'm also not used to nose pads, and the glasses feel a bit heavy on my nose, but that's just a matter of getting used to, I know.

I think I'm gonna start with the -1.75 frames to wear out. I really love them and I feel like I'm gonna be able to handle that prescription well.

I wasn't aware that it's unusual to be able to buy contacts without a prescription, because they are so omnipresent here, but I guess that's because here you can't sue a company as easily. But you are right a pack of contacts would have been roughly the same as those cheep glasses and now I know for sure that I like that frame, which is a big plus.

Love, Linda


Soundmanpt 08 Apr 2017, 10:27

oopsl

So now that you have your glasses and you have already been doing some experimenting with -1.00 and -1.75 contacts along with your own prescribed glasses you should have a pretty good idea as to what glasses you feel that you can start wearing right away. I know you said that on the way home from picking up your glasses you wore the -1.00 pair while you still had on -1.75 contacts. So of course that was the same as wearing -2.75 glasses and you apparently was able to see quite well at normal distances. When you got home did you try reading anything close up before you took off the contacts? It's nice that your eyes seem to adjust rather quickly to whatever prescription you put in front of them. Were you surprised that when you only had on your -1.00 that they seemed so weak for your eyes and yet -1.00 is considerably stronger than the glasses you have been wearing for the past 6 months. You seem to be falling in love with the glasses you posted (#1125214) I went back to check and that was the ones you ordered with the -1.75 prescription. If you feel like the -1.75 glasses aren't too strong for your eyes then go ahead and skip "stage one". You said that you also like the -1.00 glasses and whenever you want to wear them you can always wear a pair of your -1.00 contacts along with the and that will be only very slightly stronger -2.00 then the -1.75 glasses. Having the contacts is really a big help because that way you can do increases by simply wearing contacts along with your glasses. If you had told me that you could buy contacts off the rack without a written doctors prescription I would have suggested getting -1.00 contacts instead of -1.00 glasses. But since you went for the $7.00 glasses actually your glasses are still cheaper than contacts were. Did you get s sunglass clip for any of your glasses? I think you planed on ordering one for the -2.50 glasses. Is the clip a good fit?

You do have a nice sense of humor don't you? Yes it is important that you wear stronger glasses constantly but I think showering can be considered an exception unless your glasses need a good cleaning. You have my permission to take your glasses off while showering as long as you quickly put them back on when you get out of the shower. lol


oopsI 08 Apr 2017, 08:58

I'm wondering right now what to do while showering? I can't leave the glasses on for that, lol.

I must say the more I look at myself in the thin gold rim glasses ( http://www.zennioptical.com/sepulveda-eyeglasses-1125214.html )the more I fall in love with that frame. I also really like the 7 dollar pair a lot.

Antonio,

I suppose so. I have that with my old plus pair.

Love,

Linda


antonio 08 Apr 2017, 08:51

Hi OOpsI,

so I slowly See your dream coming true ? :)

While for now the blur after wearing your contacts

Still goes away after some time,it once uppon the time

Will stay, and if this happens you will ASK yourself

How you could ever have Seen and read clearly through

That pair you have worn for a year now on your nose already.

At least this often happened to me wearing old glasses. :-)

Best wishes, Antonio


mp3311 08 Apr 2017, 08:22

Cactus Jack

I have noticed after uping up the power in my glasses causes me to feel sleepy 4-5 hours after uping the the power after a one hour

Nap

After this nap it helps me fully adjust to tje new perscription.

is this normal?


oopsI 08 Apr 2017, 07:53

I got my order today. All the glasses look really nice, though the two metal frames I have look pretty eccentric.

As I had been wearing -1.75 contacts from 8 am this morning I put the -1.00 sph glasses on top while walking home and at home tried on the other two. While I could still read with the contacts and glasses (both sph. -1.75 and -2.5) at normal distance I did feel it pretty much instantly (not headache, but it felt odd) I now took out the contacts and went for the -1 glasses only, which I barely notice.

With the -1.75 glasses there is significant cut in and I'm glad I got the -2.5's with a 1.57 index, because the lenses do look sort of thick already. Cut in is about as much as there is with the -1.75's (index 1.5).


Cactus Jack 07 Apr 2017, 13:53

mp3311,

The only thing it might do is make accommodating for the over correction, easier.

There is a two way interconnection between he Eye Positioning Control System and the Focus Control System. The strength of this connection varies with the individual and with the direction of the connection. The "downside" is that convergence exercises may encourage the development of strabismus and double vision issues that require prism (usually Base Out) correction.

C.


mp3311 07 Apr 2017, 13:23

Is there a possibility that doing convergence exercises could induce myopia.


oopsI 07 Apr 2017, 10:39

Soundmanpt

Weirdly I found it more relaxing to do close work, than to look at distance, I'm guessing that has to do with the fact that my brain's not used to accommodating for distance? Reading was sort of relaxing and while I did lose focus for a second ever now and then when looking at distance objects I could easily read in them without losing focus. I could also voluntarily blur my vision at distance which I couldn't while reading.

I'm realising I had a pattern of looking in the distance for a while every now and then unconsciously. Not being able to do that today (well I could, but it didn't rest my eyes) does explain the headache, that is still there (rather mild, feels like I haven't had enough water and not worth taking an Advil for). That habit, in addition to spending a good amount of time on my bike (looking in the distance, good amount of lighting) while growing up might explain why I haven't become myopic throughout school? Before starting college my prescription had been unvarying for a good two years (minimal changes in the astigmatism), too.

My vision was rather blurry (about as blurry as it was when wearing my mums reading glasses which were +1.5D) with my actual prescription on for about a minute, I suppose. I was unable to read the title of a book that was about two meters away from me (I can read that easily without my prescription now). I can't see as well now, as I could when I had the contacts in (everything seems less contrasted and not quite as clear).


Soundmanpt 07 Apr 2017, 10:11

oopsl

First of all I think it's great that you are doing updates like you are and if anyone isn't interested all they need do is skip right past your updates. But for anyone that might be considering inducing myopia your experiences with doing it should be invaluable to them. With what you're commenting they will know much better what to expect when they start wearing stronger glasses.

So far it seems like your eyes have been very tolerant to being over corrected. I really expected you might have a bit of a problem with seeing close up but apparently that isn't even a problem for you. Seeing distance I thought would go pretty well for you and of course it has. Even with learning to wear contacts which I assume you didn't really have much experience with before. Doing your normal daily activities wearing -1.75 contacts along with your glasses for 8 hours with only a light headache is extremely good. That light headache is a sign that the over correction is starting to effect your eyes. The headache is caused by stress to your eyes and that is what you need to change your vision. But at the same time you never want the headaches to be too severe because that would make wearing your glasses too uncomfortable. I have a feeling that you won't be wearing the weaker glasses very long before they are completely comfortable to you. You mentioned that when you took off the contacts that your vision remained blurred. How long was it before you regained your normal eyesight? You need to kind of start keeping track of that. As you know you want the blur to remain longer and longer when you take off your glasses. Sorry to hear that you missed getting your glasses but now that you have the contacts it's not stopping you at all.


oopsI 07 Apr 2017, 07:27

If my updates annoy you please tell me, I'd find it an interesting read, so I'm gonna keep you updated for now :)

Today I went for -1.75 contacts under my glasses (OD -0.25 -0.5x73į OS -0.25 -0.5x112į) and after doing some actual distance vision with them in (uni, just walking outside) my distance vision's better with them in (signs were readable a little earlier than usual, I didn't have any trouble reading the lecture stuff and colours are really vivid. It's not a lot of a difference, but it's obvious.

After about 8 hours of wearing them I do have a light headache now and I think I'm going to take them out now. They don't irritate my eyes anymore, though.

I wasn't home when the UPS person came, so I'm gonna have to pick the glasses up tomorrow or on Monday.

Love,

Linda


oopsI 06 Apr 2017, 23:57

Soundmanpt

Yes, I didn't expect it to be like I'm not wearing anything at all, but thanks for the reassurance, that's good to hear.

I was surprised to see that my vision stayed blurred after taking them out, really. I thought that had to do with presbyopia and didn't expect it to happen to me yet.

This morning I decided to try -1.75 contacts. They actually appear easy to wear and are much less viable. I'm adjusting to them fine, again, reading at normal distance isn't a problem, I measured at what distance I can read clearly at and it increased by approx. a centimeter (so 11 and 12 cm). So far so good (except for a poor contact I lost in the process. It fell down and was never to be seen again).


Soundmanpt 06 Apr 2017, 16:14

oopsl

I think it's pretty normal when you first start wearing contacts for your eyes to be a bit bloodshot or red. Something else for your eyes to adjust to. They usually recommend that you only wear contacts a few hours each day and increase the time each day.So 2 hours really wasn't bad at all. But you had to be happy that your eyes didn't seem to have any problem adjusting to your contacts and glasses. That's the important thing really. You said that you were surprised that after taking off the contacts your vision seemed worse than usual even with your glasses on. That's exactly what you're hoping your vision will be like once your glasses arrive and you start wearing them. The contacts didn't cost you much at all. I really don't think anyone would notice when you're wearing contacts. You notice it because you know their their. But anyone else would have a hard time seeing them through your glasses. if anyone gets that close to your face close your eyes. I think once you get your glasses it will be even easier than it was today with dealing with contacts. Your eyes shouldn't be too red anyway.


oopsI 06 Apr 2017, 15:03

Soundmanpt

I actually took the contacts out after about two hours . Reading with them at my normal reading distance was just fine, but it does feel odd to have them in my eyes and my eyes looked rather red with them in. I didn't get a headache or anything from it, though.

I was surprised to see that after taking them out my vision seemed worse than usual and I still have to squint to see stuff sharp through my actual prescription (I've continued close work after taking out the contacts). I'm guessing that's placebo, though.

The contacts weren't too much of an investment, I payed a little under 15 dollars for 8 pairs. Wearing them under my actual prescription seems like a good idea, but the contacts were rather easy to spot in my eyes so I'm a little worried if I'm going to get questioned about it...

Love,

Linda


Soundmanpt 06 Apr 2017, 14:18

oopsl

Give your eyes a chance to adjust. You shouldn't expect to be able to see everything crystal clear right away. Your eyes need to settle down. The longer you keep the contacts and your glasses on the more things will come into focus. Now you know why I was warning you not to go too strong at first. It figures that you find out that your glasses will arrive tomorrow right after you buy contacts. But like you say you can always wear them like you are now. I get the feeling you like how you look wearing your current glasses anyway so that will allow you to still wear them from time to time. Remember also as your eyes adjust to this first stage you can also wear your contacts with your -1.00 glasses and later on with your -2.25 glasses. For the time being when you're doing any close work just hold things at a comfortable distance from your eyes. Don't worry about holding things close to your eyes until get more adjusted to your glasses then you might want to try moving things close to your eyes again. But for now your glasses will be stressing your eyes enough. You said that you wore contacts before but i'm guessing not all that long. So right now you're not only dealing with trying to see with your eyes being considerably over corrected but also adjusting to wearing contacts. It's good that you will have your glasses tomorrow. I think your eyes will be more comfortable with just wearing glasses. Based on what you described everything seems very normal. Your reading distance isn't bad at all and no surprise that you probably feel like "Superwoman" because everything is so clear and intense now.


OOpsI 06 Apr 2017, 11:35

I should start using this name, lol. We will see, maybe I won't be able to induce any axial myopia at all.


antonio 06 Apr 2017, 11:03

Oh oh, oopsI,

now you'll slowly get dependant on them to see

Getting a real OOpsI :-)

And only a psI without them :-)

Best regards, Antonio


oopsI 06 Apr 2017, 10:27

Oh, I just got an email saying my packet will arrive tomorrow, if that isn't exciting :D

I still think the contacts were a good investment, though, because they will allow me to wear the glasses I have right now every now and then.


oopsI 06 Apr 2017, 09:44

So I bought a pack of contacts today and just put in a pair of -1.00 to wear over my glasses about five minutes ago.

Working on my computer is fine, I can't read quite as close, though ( vision's clear at about 11cm for my right eye and about 12 cm for my left eye instead of around 9cm without the contacts). My distance vision feels a little clearer with them in, but I have no exact measurement for that, so it's rather subjective and I might just want that to be true.

It does feel a little odd, but they don't hurt or anything yet and I got them in quite easily. Is that a good sign?


? 05 Apr 2017, 16:25

mp3311 continues to be the Maestro while Cactus Jack fiddles.


oopsI 05 Apr 2017, 14:33

Soundmanpt

Okay, perfect. I was a little worried that I might damage my cornea by doing that, without knowing my "measurements" , but I guess the disposable contacts are pretty universally fitted (I did check, they don't display any sort of diameter, etc. ...). They sell them in the drug store here, starting at -1.00.

I did try those once a few years ago, but didn't stick with it, because I didn't see the point in doing it (I sort of guessed that overcorrecting would lead to myopia of some degree, but those contacts would have been too expensive to wear for a long period of time, especially considering that I had about five dollars of pocket money per week back then. I didn't mind putting them in and wearing them, though (I think I went for -1.5).


Soundmanpt 05 Apr 2017, 14:20

oopsl

That's possible if the status is still saying the same thing. Yes if you access to contacts of course you can wear do that. If you want to continue wearing your glasses so you don't get questioned about why you're not wearing glasses you can try wearing around -.75 or -1.00 lenses along with your glasses until your glasses arrive.


mp3311 05 Apr 2017, 12:34

Rebecca

so your already nearsighed?

im trying to become myopic too im a little bit farsighted so it may take me some time induce myopia.most people that induce myopia it takes about a year so keep on trying and good luck


Rebecca 05 Apr 2017, 12:28

mp3311

After wearing -3.75 for 6 months constantly, I notice some slight blurring when I take them off, but it doesn't last long. But my eyes accommodate perfectly to -3.75, so I think I need to put more stress on them in order to induce myopia. I got -6.75 OD and -6.25 OS, which is 6 diopters above my last real prescription. :D


mp3311 05 Apr 2017, 12:22

Rebecca

have you induced any a myopia yet and how strong are the glasses you got

?


Rebecca 05 Apr 2017, 12:14

My new glasses just got here! I'm so excited. It's taking my eyes longer to accommodate to distances and up close, but I can read fine. Here's a picture of me wearing them: http://www.instagram.com/p/BSg8_xcFOk6/

They're so light and the lenses are nice and thick. I can't wait for my eyes to fully adjust to these so I can go even higher.


oopsI 05 Apr 2017, 10:24

Soundmanpt

no, the status hasn't been updated since. Maybe they are held up in (European) customs?

Do you think I could try one day contacts until they arrive? I'm studying a lot at the moment and I really want to get this thing rolling

Love


mp3311 05 Apr 2017, 10:05

Cactus Jack

Thank you for your quick reply.

Will continue to follow your instructions.

Hope fully start wearing -4 after they are delivered tomorrow and see what happens.hopefully I will adjust to them in no time.

Thank you for your help.


Soundmanpt 05 Apr 2017, 09:53

oopsl

Any news on your glasses arriving?


Cactus Jack 05 Apr 2017, 09:25

mp3311,

No way to tell exactly because everyone is different. My suggestion is to try to get up to wearing -5.00 glasses, full time, for about 2 months. I will suggest a simple test you can do at home to get an estimate of how effective the -5.00 glasses have been. If it appears that you have developed some Myopia, I will suggest an Eye Exam to find out your actual prescription.

You cannot rush this process. Also, there are no guarantees that it will work. There have been many instances where someone tried very hard to Induce Myopia for nearly a year with no tangible results. There is no magic here. All you can do is try your best and see what happens.

C


mp3311 05 Apr 2017, 09:05

Cactus Jack

(ending to last question)

to become -1 to -2 myopic


mp3311 05 Apr 2017, 09:03

Cactus Jack

thank you for your prompt reply and will do when recive my new glasses -4.

how high should i go in glasses to go myopic now?

-1 to -2


Cactus Jack 05 Apr 2017, 08:52

mp33111,

Entirely possible and a good sign. With -3.00 glasses and a natural +1.00 you are actually -4.00 over corrected. If you are gradually shifting from +1.00 to 0.00, you should consider -4.00 in the glasses. You have to wear several diopters over your goal to have any effect.

C.


mp3311 05 Apr 2017, 08:43

Cactus Jack

(sorry last post wasnt very clear)

am wearing - 3 all the time and not straining and noticing that my vision is going sharper near and far when i take them off is this possibley my eyes shifting away from farsightedness into perfect vision.if it is i hope soon to shift in myopia.

regards

mp3311


mp3311 05 Apr 2017, 08:40

Cactus Jack

hi again am wearing - 3 computerbly and noticing that my vision is going sharper near and far when i take them off is this possibley my eyes shifting away from farsightedness in perfect vision.if it is i hope soon to shift in myopia.

regards

mp3311


Cactus Jack 05 Apr 2017, 08:25

mp3311,

The only difference sunglasses should make is that because of the lower light level with them, your pupils will be open wider and that would reduce the focusing help you get from your pupils closing down in bright light.

C.


mp3311 05 Apr 2017, 04:25

Can myopia prescription sunglasses cause more visual stress and make false myopia worse faster?

As some people strain more to see through them.

Would love to hear from anyone all answers and theorizes welcome.


OopsI 05 Apr 2017, 02:29

As I feel like my glasses will take a while to arrive I was wondering if it's problematic to get daily contacts from the drug store to wear underneath my glasses for a while? Or is it paso le to damage the cornea with that kind of thing?

Love, Linda


OopsI 05 Apr 2017, 02:28

As I feel like my glasses will take a while to arrive I was wondering if it's problematic to get daily contacts from the drug store to wear underneath my glasses for a while? Or is it paso le to damage the cornea with that kind of thing?

Love, Linda


Cactus Jack 03 Apr 2017, 18:16

?,

If someone plays me like a fiddle, I hope it sounded like a Stradivarius.

C.


mp3311 03 Apr 2017, 08:29

Cactus Jack

Thank you for all your help and thank you for answering all my questions.

I have revived my -2 sunglasses today and have attached my -3 behind them to make it -5 in each eye.

I will keep you up to date on my progress.

Kind regards

Mp3311


Cactus Jack 03 Apr 2017, 08:14

mp3311,

Because everyone is different and every situation is different, there is no way to predict the outcome of your efforts. The only thing you can do is try. In general, the more minus you can tolerate and the longer you can wear it, the more likely it is that you will induce some Myopia. There is no way to predict if you will stimulate any Axial Myopia. The only thing that you can be sure of is that initially, any Myopia you Induce, will be Pseudo Myopia that must be nurtured. You nurture it by continuing to wear minus over correction. How much is up to you.

C.


mp3311 03 Apr 2017, 00:46

?

what do you mean?


? 03 Apr 2017, 00:37

mp3311 seems to be playing Cactus Jack like a fiddle.


mp3311 02 Apr 2017, 22:47

Cactus Jack

i tried -4 by putting my -3 and -1 lenses together i found them easy to read in.theoreticallly how much myopia would be induced in 6 monthes wearing -5 full time?


Cactus Jack 02 Apr 2017, 17:54

mp3311,

I think it would be better to try -4.00 and see how that works for reading, before you try -5.00.

You can try -5.00 if you want to, just to see if you can deal with them, yet. The real test is how comfortable it is to read at 16 inches or 40 cm for a long time with the -5.00 combination. To focus at 16 inches or 40 cm requires that you supply +2.50 more accommodation internally, using your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses, than you need for distance with your - glasses.

If reading with -5.00 is uncomfortable, only try focus close occasionally then the -5.00s.

C.


mp3311 02 Apr 2017, 16:22

Cactus Jack

i ajusted to -3 within 2 days would it be more effective if i went straight to -5 ?


Cactus Jack 02 Apr 2017, 16:18

mp3311,

Yes, you are adjusting to the -3.00. It won't be long before you don't notice the pressure. Do you have a way to try -4.00?

C.


mp3311 02 Apr 2017, 14:30

Cactus Jack

my vision is clear at all distances when i wear them.


mp3311 02 Apr 2017, 14:28

Cactus Jack

when i wear the minus -3 glasses there is a slight presure feeling around the eyes it doesnt hurt is this normal?

is it my eyes ajusting to the constant wear of the -3 glasses?


oopsI 02 Apr 2017, 11:23

Soundmanpt,

Probably best to keep our conversation to one thread, to not lose track of it all.

I've checked twice today (and yes, I'm weirdly excited), but as it's Sunday I was right not to expect it being updated. It was updated yesterday where it was "Received at international processing center" whatever that means.

Also thank you a lot. I like my name :)


mp3311 02 Apr 2017, 09:33

Cactus Jack

thank you for your reply.

i have to do it this way as my family would notice the diffrence as they know that im farsighted and would notice that my eyes would appear small through - lenses.


Cactus Jack 02 Apr 2017, 09:21

mp3311,

Yes. The lens powers add up, algebraically. -3.00 over -2.00 = -5.00. +1.00 over -2.00 = -1.00

C.


mp3311 02 Apr 2017, 08:38

Cactus Jack (ending to my previous question)

in glasses


mp3311 02 Apr 2017, 08:35

Cactus Jack

would this work if wore - 2 sunglasses then add my other - lenses to the other lenses until i reach negative 5 perscription?


mp3311 02 Apr 2017, 04:21

Cactus Jack

-2 glasses are prescription sun glasses so I can hide the increase in prescription and add the other - lenses i have when I need to as I have family who would notice the change.


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 17:06

Cactus Jack

i will read the information in the link and thank you for answering my questions.


Cactus Jack 01 Apr 2017, 17:00

mp3311,

You need to learn. I understand that this is NOT something you are used to working with.

Here is a link called "The Eye". You might find it interesting. You may have to read it several times and have a few questions, before it makes sense.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/scenario/labman3/eye.htm

You may be surprised to learn that the total PLUS power of the lens system (4 lenses) in your eyes is about +59 diopters.

C.


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 16:24

Cactus Jack

thank you sorry about the dumb question have never done this before.


Cactus Jack 01 Apr 2017, 16:21

mp3311,

From here on out, always - glasses. Never + glasses, that will be counter productive and cause you to loose ground, if you are serious about wearing - glasses.

C.


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 15:51

Cactus Jack

do you mean my + or my - glasses.


Cactus Jack 01 Apr 2017, 15:46

mp3311,

1. Do not go to the same opticians where you have had a previous exam.

2. Wear glasses that are weaker then you have been wearing, even if you have to change them just before you walk in.

3. Schedule the exam late in the day after a day of close work wearing your glasses.

4. While waiting, read while holding the text close.

5. Ideally, your distance vision will be a bit blurry with the weaker glasses. If they ask about your visual symptoms, say that you think you need stronger glasses because your distance vision is not very clear, particularly at night or in low light condition and you are having trouble reading small text on TV.

C.


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 15:19

Cactus Jack

what glasses would i wear to the eye exam?


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 15:06

Cactus Jack

i hardly notice any astigmatism in my vision.so i think i can manage without the correction for it as it only small amount.


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 14:55

Cactus Jack

i uselly go to asda opticians for my eye tests.


Cactus Jack 01 Apr 2017, 14:31

mp3311,

If you can wear the -3s most of the time, I would not bother very much with the -2.00 unless you have a lot of trouble focusing to read when you are tired. If you can work up to a Sphere of -4 to -5 in your glasses, with the Cylinder and Axis correction, that would be a total of -5 to -6 from your +1. The uncorrected Astigmatism, actually reduces the effectiveness of your glasses.

When you have been wearing at least -3.00 full time for a few months, you might want to consider an eye exam. When you decide to do it, let me know and I will offer some tips about what glasses to wear to the exam and where to get it.

C.


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 11:53

Cactus jack

Did you mean -4 to -5 in glasses or in overall refractive error?


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 11:12

Cactus jack

i wear -3 all the time.


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 11:09

Cactus jack

my education is very basic. the -3 are do well and can wear them for reading. i sometimes lose focus for about 10sec then my vision clears this happens when im reading only.


Cactus jack 01 Apr 2017, 10:59

mp3311,

Sorry I was not clear on the education question. What I was interested in was your familiarity with math, physiology and the optics part of physics. It seems to me, based on your responses to my questions and comments, that you want to understand how this stuff works, but I don't want get off into technical aspects that would be confusing. It is easy for you to ask a 10 word question that takes a 1000 words and a half hour to write an answer that is meaningful to you.

1. If you are wearing -3 glasses, how are you doing with them? How much are you wearing them?

2. The middle eastern "client" was several years older than you are. He was in the -4 range when we started. The problem he had was that he needed to be above about -5.5 in each eye WITH dilation using the most powerful dilating agents. The purpose of the dilating agent is to try to overcome any Pseudo Myopia. That was a significant challenge, but we had time. With dilation, they measured around -6 during the physical which means that he flunked. It has settled to around -5 after several years so I suspect he induced about -1.00 of Axial Myopia.

3. If you are +1.00 you should probably shoot for -4 to -5 for as long as you can. You need to overcome the +1.00 and then go a few diopters over your target. If you are wearing -3 you are -4 diopters over your actual refractive error.

Several years ago I had a "client" who was about your age. He wanted to wear glasses in the -8 range, but could not get glasses prescribed. I asked him to do a simple vision test and discovered that the was actually slightly farsighted and had been reporting the wrong symptoms to the examiner. He was in a similar situation to yours. It took some time but after about a year, doing pretty much what you are doing, he was wearing prescribed -4.25 glasses full time. I have not heard from him in years.

C.


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 08:57

Cactus Jack

im farsighted + 1 in both eyes so what - number should i strive if i want to be about -1 to -2 myopic?


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 08:41

Cactus Jack

what perscription did the Middle eastern "client" start with and what was it when he had his physical?


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 08:16

Cactus Jack

i am currently wearing - 3 glasses until i recieve my -2 glasses.


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 08:14

Cactus Jack

they dont dialite eyes where i go to get eyes tested.

im unemployed and the highest education i have is a college certificate.i hope this answers your question.

regards

mp3311


Cactus Jack 01 Apr 2017, 07:56

mp3311,

A few things to remember about Inducing Myopia:

1. Initially, any Myopia that you can Induce will be Pseudo or False Myopia. That involves ONLY the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses.

2. How much or how long the Pseudo Myopia will last, without stimulation, depends on how strong your Ciliary Muscles are, how stiff your Crystalline Lenses are (usually from Presbyopia), and how much trouble your Ciliary Muscles have in trying to relax.

3. Your Ciliary Muscles are the very tiny muscles in your eyes that squeeze your Crystalline Lenses to increase their PLUS power for focusing close (or compensating for excess MINUS in your glasses).

4. Imagine if you held your arms straight out for several hours without moving them. When it finally came time for you to lower them, your arm muscles would probably have trouble doing it. Hopefully, the same thing will happen to your Ciliary Muscles when you take off your glasses.

5. Axial or True Myopia involves the physical distance from the back or your Crystalline Lenses to your Retinas. For that to change, your eyeballs must grow some to increase the distance (about 0.3 mm per diopter). Growth of body parts is a slow process that is controlled by your genes. Most body parts, once they have grown, do not shrink. Even in young children, who are growing rapidly, Axial Myopia rarely increases more than 2 diopters per year. Typically it is much slower. It gets slower as you get older and typically stops in the early to mid 20s.

6. Eyeball growth is believed (but not proven) to be controlled by an Eyeball Growth Hormone that is produced by the Retina as a result of focusing stress. IF YOUR GENES WILL PERMIT IT.

7. If you want to Induce a specific amount of Pseudo Myopia, you have to wear several diopters over your goal for several months for it to settle near your goal. For Pseudo Myopia to NOT revert to your actual Axial Myopia prescription, you have to continue to wear glasses that are at your goal or slightly over it.

7. Remember, everyone is different and there is no way to predict your results. There are too many variables.

To answer your specific questions.

Initially, you should wear the -3 glasse for just a few minutes if you are doing close work, until they seem uncomfortable. Try to do it several times a day. If you are not doing close work such a watching TV, try to wear them longer. Again, comfort is the indicator. When they get uncomfortable, go back to the -2s or even the -1s. It is like lifting weights at the gym. Repetition with a lighter weight is better for building muscles than getting muscle strain with a single heavy lift.

Hopefully, at some point, you will be so comfortable with your glasses that you don't even notice that you are wearing them. You put them on first thing in the morning and take them off at night and feel uncomfortable when you are not wearing them. Then it is time to consider a small increase, maybe 0.50 diopters.

2 months seems a bit short to get completely comfortable with -2 glasses, but it depends on your abilities and motivation.

One Middle eastern "client", who needed to "flunk" a physical and didn't have quite enough Myopia was able to get comfortable wearing -20 glasses while reading. If you consider the Vertex Distancel effects of -20 glasses, that was a -12 diopter increase over his actual prescription. It took about a year of highly motivated effort to reach this level.

The exam involved very powerful dilating agents, but even with those, he wound up with enough Axial and Pseudo Myopia, combined, to flunk the physical.

I hope this helps.

May I ask your educational background and your preferred occupation?

C.


mp3311 01 Apr 2017, 05:17

how much myopia could i induce with wearing -2 in 2 months

all estimates welcome.


mp3311 31 Mar 2017, 23:44

Cactus jack

how times a day should i have these few mins of wearing -3 glasses?


mp3311 31 Mar 2017, 23:40

Cactus jack

when im ready how long should these periodical few mins of wearing -3 be. like 30 mins a time?


Cactus jack 31 Mar 2017, 19:28

mp3311,

Inducing Myopia does not happen fast. I assume you have been wearing the -1.00 glasses. The fact that you notice blurriness for a few minutes after taking off your glasses is a good sign. Keep wearing the -1.00s until the -2.00 show up and then switch to them. Let us know how you do with the -2.00. Initially they may be a little uncomfortable when you do close work, but that should only last a few days.

Because the -1.00 and -2.00 don't have any Cylinder correction, you can actually wear the -1.00 over the -2.00 glasses, periodically, for a few minutes of -3.00. That will help strengthen your Ciliary Muscles.

C.


Likelenses 31 Mar 2017, 17:14

Marissa

If you want really chunky lenses in the next pair of glasses that you have made, ask for either the thickest lense blanks to be used, or ask them to use safety glass blanks.

This combined with very large frames should get you some hefty looking lenses, even at your low prescription.


oopsI 31 Mar 2017, 15:33

Cactus jack,

thank you. Well, a diopter a year would be perfect.


mp3311 31 Mar 2017, 15:17

Cactus Jack

it only lasts a few seconds. hopefully getting my -2 glasses through post tommorrow.

when i take the glasses off it only takes about two mins for vision to become clear again.is this good progress?


Cactus Jack 31 Mar 2017, 15:09

oopsI,

Not very much axial myopia in 3 months. Maybe -0.25 diopter.

C.


Cactus Jack 31 Mar 2017, 15:06

mp3311,

Yes, it is normal. Hopefully, that will become less and less the longer you wear the - glasses.

C.


Antonio 31 Mar 2017, 13:12

Hi Marissa,

seems you like wesring glasses?

Yes, -2.5 is from where wearing glasses in nearly all situations starts to make sense, right?

Where do you come from, i.e how strong were your first ones?

If you Luke to chat about glasses and so on, visit us in http://lenschat.com

Best regards, antonio


oopsI 31 Mar 2017, 10:16

Hey antonio,

I hope I won't :D It would only be for a day, I suppose and my eyes are probably not going to get that much worse within three months. We'll see.

Cactus Jack, Soundmanpt,

as you two have been on here for a while, I was actually wondering if you have any guess on how much axial myopia I could induce within three months.

Kind regards,

oopsI


mp3311 31 Mar 2017, 09:26

Cactus Jack

my eyes sometimes lose focus for a moment when i wear the glasses then become focused agian is this normal?


Cactus Jack 31 Mar 2017, 07:00

Marissa,

Sandmanpt replied to you yesterday on this thread:

Soundmanpt 30 Mar 2017, 08:19

C.


Marissa 31 Mar 2017, 06:40

No one's replying to me :(


antonio 31 Mar 2017, 06:30

Hi OOpsI,

not sure you will be able to read the board at med school in your old glasses in 3 months :-),

best regards, Antonio


mp3311 31 Mar 2017, 05:43

Cactus Jack

Gonna start wearing -2 glasses when they arrive.


mp3311 31 Mar 2017, 05:28

Cactus Jack

Thank you for your reply I will contact you when I start wearing -3 glasses or if I have questions to ask.


Cactus Jack 31 Mar 2017, 05:20

mp3311,

I suggest you need to work up to where the -3.00 glasses are comfortable for reading and have been that way for a few months. The best gage of when you should consider an eye exam is when you wake up in the morning and things across the room such as clocks, text on TV are fuzzy and hard to read without your glasses.

There is no way to predict exact timing because it varies with the individual.

When you think you are ready for an eye exam, we need to chat about it BEFORE you make an appointment.

Also, there are some simple tests you can do to get an estimate of your prescription.

C.


mp3311 31 Mar 2017, 04:14

Cactus Jack

How long do you think it will take to cause permanent change to my vision?

So I can have a rough estimate time to have an eye exam.


Marissa 30 Mar 2017, 19:12

-2.50 is my real prescription. Went up by a diopter recently. Since it's a decently strong prescription compared to where I started from I was expecting chunky lenses but I made the mistake of buying plastic frames that are not very large so they look like -1s instead of -2.50s :(


Cactus Jack 30 Mar 2017, 18:06

mp3311,

It would be best if your minus glasses had the Cylinder and Axis component of your prescription, but having Minus glasses is better than nothing. If the -1.00 are comfortable when you read, consider going to the -2.00 glasses.

C.


mp3311 30 Mar 2017, 14:30

Cactus Jack

my pupil distance is 65mm i read the ruler wrong thank you for correcting me and showing me how to measure my pupil distance correctly.

many thanks

mp3311


mp3311 30 Mar 2017, 13:38

Cactus Jack

all the glasses have no cylinder.

the -1 glasses i am currently wearing i can read fine with and have no problems.


Cactus Jack 30 Mar 2017, 13:29

mp3311,

Your PD is probably around 60mm, but you really need to measure it. That specifies where the optical center of any glasses you order is located. It is not super critical in very low prescriptions, but it is important for the best possible vision.

Here is how you measure it without your glasses. All you need is a short rule calibrated in mm.

1. Look in the bathroom mirror at your left ear.

2. Measure the distance from the center of your nose to the center of your left pupil and make a note.

3. Look at your right ear.

4. Measure the distance from the center of your nose to the center of your right pupil

5. Add them together. Depending on your head size and eye spacing, it should be about 60 mm + or - 5 mm

I suggest doing it about 3 times and averaging the result.

That will be pretty close to your actual PD.

Do the -1, -2, and -3 glasses have any Cylinder correction for your Astigmatism?

Ideally, the glasses should be:

OD Sphere -1.00

OS Sphere -1.00, Cylinder -0.50, Axis 55

OD Sphere -2.00

OS Sphere -2.00, Cylinder -0.50, Axis 55

OD Sphere -3.00

OS Sphere -3.00, Cylinder -0.50, Axis 55

Notice that the Cylinder and Axis are not changed as you increase the Sphere. If the glasses do not have Cylinder and Axis correction small text will be uncomfortable to read and not as effective for Inducing Myopia as glasses with the correct Cylinder and Axis.

C.


mp3311 30 Mar 2017, 12:42

Cactus Jack

I have three sets of myopia glasses

Which are -1,-2,-3

Hopes this answers your questions.


mp3311 30 Mar 2017, 12:31

Cactus Jack

I have never measured my pupil distance and has never been written on any of my prescriptions that I got from my optometrist.


mp3311 30 Mar 2017, 12:19

Cactus Jack

My axis is 55 degrees

And my PD is about 6.5 to 7mm I think.


oopsI 30 Mar 2017, 12:09

soundmanpt

I don't think we will test the prescription, I'm not 100% sure, though. I think it is testing the eyes with and without glasses. They may be asking what my prescription is to see if there is like a correlation between prescription and blur without glasses, I don't know.

It's probably safest to wear my old glasses and one day with them won't hurt the progress too much, I suspect.


Cactus Jack 30 Mar 2017, 12:05

mp3311,

Your prescription should look something like this:

OD (Right Eye) Sphere +1.00

OS (Left Eye) Sphere +1.00, Cylinder -0.50, Axis ???

Cylinder and Axis ALWAYS go together. Axis is very important because it specifies the angular direction the long axis of the Cylinder correction is oriented. It is traditionally a number between 0 and 180 degrees. Again by tradition, an Axis of 0 (or 180) degrees is horizontal. The numbers increase in a counter-clockwise direction looking at the patient to 90 degrees (vertical) and then on around to 179 or 180 degrees depending on the preferences of the examiner. We need the Axis number to complete your prescription.

You will also need your Pupillary Distance (PD) measurement. It is easy to do with a short rule calibrated in mm and a bathroom mirror. We will tell you how.

If you decide to proceed you will need to find a low cost online retailer. Many of our members use Zenni Optical, but there could be customs duties in the UK. There is a low cost online retailer in the UK, but I don't remember the name. Hopefully, some members, who are familiar with ordering glasses online in the UK, can suggest a source.

Frame price typically controls the ultimate cost of the glasses. I suggest choosing a low cost frame because as you increase the prescription in the glasses, few people will notice the increase IF you keep the same frame. Also, you will probably not be wearing the glasses for more than a few months until you are ready to increase the Sphere. Some order 2 or 3 pair of glasses at the same time with the same frame. That way they can increase their prescription when they feel like they are ready.

The only option you need to consider is the lowest cost Anti-Reflective coating. At Zenni, it is only about US$5.00. Jenni's glasses are made in Hong Kong and I understand that they can ship directly to Europe. I don't know the shipping cost, but it is not very expensive and if you order more than one pair of glasses, the shipping cost is for the entire order.

Most online retailers require that you pay by credit card.

C.


mp3311 30 Mar 2017, 11:04

Cactus Jack

1.I live in the UK in Leeds

2.I'm unemployed

3.+1 in both eyes but -0.50 cyl in left eye only

4.5-6 hours of reading on computer.

If you have anymore questions just ask I with aim to give you a speedy response.


Soundmanpt 30 Mar 2017, 10:28

oopsl

Well I don't want to give you false hopes but unless your mail service or customs is a problem I think you will get them around early next week.

It really shouldn't be awkward. First of all if they are only testing your eyes and they don't check the prescription of your glasses it wouldn't matter what glasses you wear that day except I think you really want your eyes checked to see if there is any change in your vision. So the best way to do an accurate test of your eyes is for you to put your weaker glasses on as soon as you wake up the day of the test. After they test your eyes then you can put your stronger glasses back on. So the results of the test will indicate if there has been no change or some change. So if they do check the prescription of your glasses they can tell you that you need stronger glasses or that your glasses are okay as they are. Of course that isn't what you want to hear.


oopsI 30 Mar 2017, 09:54

Soundmanpt

oh that's exciting, I didn't expect them to arrive that early.

That test could be awkward, lol, we'll see.

Again I have to thank you for your patience.


Soundmanpt 30 Mar 2017, 09:29

oopsl

So if Zenni contacted you saying your glasses shipped already that is a very good sign. Now I don't know how it will be for you but here in the US whenever I got that e-mail I then could expect to see the glasses in my mailbox within 3 days. So it's very possible that you will have your glasses early next week.

You're right when your glasses arrive you shouldn't test your eyes too often. But I know you will once in a while. As soon as your new glasses arrive the first thing you need to do is take off your current glasses, fold them up and put them in the Zenni case that your new glasses came in and put them in drawer for safe keeping. Remember you will need to wear them when you get your eyes checked at med school in 3 months.


Cactus Jack 30 Mar 2017, 09:14

mp3311,

The principles Likeliness outlined are good. At your age, I think you should be able to start with Sphere in the in the -0.5 to -1.00 range, but I have a few more questions before making specific recommendations.

1. Where to you live?

2. What is your occupation?

3. What is your complete prescription?

4. How much close work do you do?

I may have other questions. The answers to the questions are important and I don't want to make recommendations that won't work in your situation.

C.


oopsI 30 Mar 2017, 08:42

Soundmanpt

I got the mail that my glasses were shipped this morning, so that's fun.

I assume if I hadn't worn my glasses before I could have read the sign from further away, but really I had to get rather close to read it at all. I really like testing my vision and I'll have to learn to not do it too often once I wear the new glasses :D


Soundmanpt 30 Mar 2017, 08:19

Marissa

There is no real difference between 1.49 and 1.50 lens. At -2.50 your lenses aren't going to look very thick. And depending what frame you ordered they probably wouldn't look any thicker than -.50 lenses would look. In other words if ordered a full plastic frame the frame is going to cover nearly all of the thickness there would be. So you should have gotten your glasses made using a nice rimless or semi-rimless frame. That way nearly all of the lens is exposed. What is your actual full prescription? Like Rebecca is suggesting depending on how much of a prescription you currently have you're eyes might be able to tolerate a little stronger prescription. How comfortable are your -2.50 glasses to wear?


Soundmanpt 30 Mar 2017, 08:06

oopsl

Oh, that's interesting. I wasn't aware that Zenni had an office in Europe, but it makes sense that they would to help cut down on shipping time. There is nothing wrong with testing your eyes from time to time with and without your glasses. That should provide you with some idea if there has been any change in your eyesight. Were you surprised that without your glasses you weren't able to read the letters that were in blue but the letters in red was still pretty clear? And with your glasses you were able to read both the red and blues letters but the blue still wasn't as clear. Very simple reason for that is that the human eye can see the darker letters much easier than lighter letters. You are way too young to remember when the first copy machines came out. At the time they were great. But you were always being warned not ever sign anything in blue ink because at a normal setting the copier couldn't see it. So if something was in blue ink you had to adjust the setting on the copier to dark and then it might barely show up but everything else on the sheet including the background was was dark. You were fine if you used black ink or red ink because red picked up the same as black. So you have just enough vision impairment that without your glasses now and in a dark setting your eyes are unable to see blue as well as you used to. Now the question is if you had left your glasses off longer would your eyes have slowly been able to read the blue letters better or not?


mp3311 29 Mar 2017, 22:02

Likelenses

thank you for your reply to my question.


Rebecca 29 Mar 2017, 21:52

Wow, where did you order 1.49? The thickest I've found is 1.50 on Zenni. Sorry to hear that your lenses aren't thick enough. Do you reckon your eyes can tolerate more? I find -3.75 is fine and it's 3 diopters above my prescription.


Marissa 29 Mar 2017, 21:47

No! I got them in 1.49 and they look like my old -1.50. No real difference


Rebecca 29 Mar 2017, 21:45

Marissa

Pardon if this is a silly question, but did you get high index lenses? I have -3.75 in 1.59 index lenses, and I thought they were thick when I got them.


Likelenses 29 Mar 2017, 21:34

mp3311

There is a fairly good chance that you can induce some myopia.

Several years ago, I worked personally with a twenty year old girl that had recently been prescribed +1.00 glasses for reading only.She said that they really did not do much for her, unless she did extended reading,and even then she could really due without them. She hated the idea of the magnifying glass look,and all of her girlfriends were nearsighted, and she loved the look of their lenses.

I suggested that she stop using the reading glasses and read bare eyed.

After two weeks of that,I had her measure how close she held a book during reading, and it turned out to be average of 16 inches.She loved to read.

I then had her bring any reading material closer to her eyes,and read only at the distance that was slightly uncomfortable for her.Within three weeks she was reading at eight inches,with a slight discomfort.

At that point we ordered her some -.50 glasses, and she found them comfortable right away, but they were difficult to read with.If she held the book farther away it was a little better.I had her wear the glasses full time, and told her to not read farther than twelve inches for reading.

Within a few weeks they were then comfortable for reading,and then I had her again bring the book closer,Until she again was comfortable with reading at eight inches.

We continued this procedure,and slowly upped the lenses by -.50 increments.

Within a year, and a half we had her in -1.50 lenses. By this time she could not see very well for distance without the glasses.At this point she went for an eye exam. and was prescribed -1.75 lenses.

She continued to do the same thing and at age 25 topped out at -3.00. After that no matter how close she read,or even with stronger lense use could not get a legitimate optometrist prescription more than -3.00.

I ran into her about two years ago,and she said that she was still -3.00,but she from time to time enjoys wearing -3.75, which she can tolerate,but not read with.

The basis of of what she did to become myopic was to keep her eye constantly under some stress, especially at the near point.

There is no way of knowing if her myopia is axial, or pseudo, but it really does not matter,because she needs glasses full time.


mp3311 29 Mar 2017, 20:56

i would like to become about -1 or -2 in glasses.


mp3311 29 Mar 2017, 20:53

Cactus Jack

i have farsighted since from about the age of 12 and it started off small like +0.50 then went up to +1.00.i am currently at +1.00 with some astigmatism of -0.50 in one eye.

i am currently wearing some cheap -1 glasses to try induce some myopia.i hope this is enough information


Marissa 29 Mar 2017, 19:36

I wanted to start wearing some nice thick glasses so I bought a pair online but they turned out to have lenses that look almost plano even though I ordered -2.50. I thought -2.50 would be thick but they look like window glass :(


Cactus Jack 29 Mar 2017, 17:42

mp3311,

Axial Myopia is a little "iffy" based on the limited information you provided. It would be very helpful to get an idea of your visual history such as the prescription changes over the past few years.

At 20, you should have plenty of Accommodation Amplitude and may be able to Induce some Pseudo Myopia, which is the first step for Inducing Axial Myopia or possibly reducing your Hyperopia. The longer you wait, the less likely Axial Myopia becomes.

Pseudo Myopia is considered "temporary", but temporary can be a long time if you nurture it.

If you could become Myopic, what would be your goal?

C.


mp3311 29 Mar 2017, 14:17

im 20 years old and slightly farsighted +1 in each eye is there any chance of inducing axial myopia?.


OopsI 29 Mar 2017, 12:49

Soundmanpt

I did get an email, yes. Also on the website it said they will be shipped directly from Hong Kong to Europe, which is probably why the shipping time isn't much longer than it is when they are shipped to the US.

I'm really excited. Today I walked outside when it was dark already and discovered something interesting. There was A sign with a blue and a red word. Out of interest I took my glasses off to read it and was surprised to notice that the red word was pretty clear while the blue word wasn't readable at all. With glasses on it wasn't as much off a difference, I could read both words, the blue one wasn't as clear, though. Just thought I'd share that :D


Soundmanpt 29 Mar 2017, 11:55

oopsl

So I know you're already counting the days for your glasses to arrive in the mail. When you placed your order Zenni should have sent you an confirmation number by e-mail saying that your order had been entered. Did you get that? By now your glasses should already be made and somewhere in the process of having the lenses checked for accuracy. Then they will be sent to their shipping department. They will be sent to California where your glasses will again have the lenses checked. Then they will be mailed to Austria and then to your mailbox. Give it another couple days and then you can that confirmation to track exactly where your glasses are.


Likelenses 29 Mar 2017, 00:52

Rebecca

Those frames are very nice, and -6.00 in 1.50 index should have some nice power rings, and cut in.

Very sexy!


Maxim 28 Mar 2017, 15:28

I should say, these -6.75 lenses can do no harm to Rebecca's eyes. It is true, that they could be too strong that her eyes would adapt to them. But it could be, that they don't accommodate these 3 diopters, but instead of that over the development of myopia a certain (myopic) astigmatism might develop from the tension these strong lenses produce in her eyes.


Soundmanpt 28 Mar 2017, 08:13

Rebecca

I don't think the difference between -6.00 and -6.75 is going to make any difference in adding any myopia. If you there hasn't been any change in your eyesight wearing your -3.75 glasses for well over 6 months then wearing even stronger glasses won't work. But I am concerned that you could cause serious damage to your eyes. If in fact there has been no change in your vision that will mean that you're going to forcing your eyes to focus through glasses that are 6 times stronger than they need. So I urge you to be extremely careful with wearing these glasses. I'm sure when you first got your -3.75 glasses and started wearing them you felt quite a bit of strain to your eyes and you're likely going to feel even more strain to your eyes. Just don't push your eyes too hard. It is a much better, and safer, plan to go up in small steps not big jumps. So I suggest that you test your new glasses in private by only wearing them for short periods to see how your eyes react. You can always place an order for glasses about -4.75 and hold onto your -6.75 glasses for down the road a bit.


Rebecca 27 Mar 2017, 21:09

Soundmanpt

I ordered -6.75, opting for increased potential myopia over lens thickness. I really like the idea of going up 3 diopters. They will arrive in 2 weeks; I'm very excited. Thank you for the valuable information on spring hinges; I think you are right that they will be good on this frame.


Soundmanpt 27 Mar 2017, 20:15

Rebecca

The -6.00 lenses will be thicker than using the 1.50 lens option than -6.75 would be with the 1.57 lens option.

The glasses you have selected should look very nice on you. I always think having adjustable nose pads are much more comfortable sitting on your nose because they are moveable. The answer to your question about spring hinges opposed to non spring really depends on how the glasses fit to start with. I see that these glasses aren't very wide, only 132mm. If the frame is too wide to start with then the spring hinges aren't much help in keeping your glasses in place like you want. But I think this frame is small enough that they should fit you very well to start with and that will make the spring hinges work the way they should in keeping your glasses in place. Also I like the idea that you are getting an all metal frame. That should make your glasses feel nice and sturdy. If there is any downside sometimes the paint on metal frames tend to chip off after sometime. But I have a feeling you will probably be considering new glasses within a year anyway so that shouldn't be a problem for you.


oopsI 27 Mar 2017, 14:10

Antonio

I know I'll (probably) eventually need them to see, that's what I'm trying to accomplish. I've tested this out a good bit and I'm certain I want this (I wanted it for the past 8 years).

Thank you for your concern, though.


Rebecca 27 Mar 2017, 13:57

I think I will have to get -6 because anything higher than that is only available in 1.57 lenses. Which would be thicker, -6 in 1.50 or -6.75 in 1.57? The first one, right?

Here are the frames I have chosen: http://www.zennioptical.com/696421-stainless-steel-full-rim-frame-with-spring-hinges.html

Are spring hinges looser than normal hinges? I have normal hinges right now and they are nice and tight. I don't want them to be loose.


abtonio 27 Mar 2017, 13:41

OopsI,

I guess if you wear one of these for longer periods of time

you will really start to need them to read far,

how do you feel about that ?

best regards, antonio


oopsI 27 Mar 2017, 13:33

Soundmanpt,

thank you.

I think 0.75 is enough and I'm hoping it's not too much and I'll end up not being able to wear them, but I think I'll be okay. I can see clear up to 10 cm from my face and working on the computer for hours straight's not a problem (no headaches, I do get dry feeling eyes sometimes) , so I guess my accommodation's still good enough to handle the increase.

I'm worried about customs here, because if I'm unlucky I have to pay import duty (Which isn't that much money, but it's annoying, because I'll have to go and pick the glasses up at customs.


antonio 27 Mar 2017, 13:30

OopsI, no Iīm not sure,

seems okay to me your step,

but on the whole thatīs so much more than you need now,

I canīt yet imagine you in them :-)

keep us informed how you feel in your new HD world to come :)

or discuss with us on

http://lenschat.com

especially your 2 stronger ones have really nice frames - I like your style 8-)

best regards,

antonio


Soundmanpt 27 Mar 2017, 13:19

oopsl

I really like all 3 that you ordered and I think that you will love them as soon as you open the package and see them. You seem very determined and that is what you need to be if you want to induce myopia. I tend to agree with you that you may not be wearing the -1.00 glasses all that long before you're ready for the -1.75 glasses. I think going with increases of -.75 is enough of a push to your eyes.

I know you're looking forward to getting your glasses so you can get started wearing them so of course you don't want them to held up in customs. But it doesn't happen very often and when it does Zenni must get notified because they will quickly remake your complete order at no charge to you and it will be resent within a couple days. So the delay may only be a few days and the bonus is you end up an extra set of glasses. In my 12 years of ordering from Zenni it only happened to me once and delay was only like 2 days longer. But as luck would have it I have a very good friend that manages a Sam's Club Warehouse Optical Center. I would visit with her about once a month and I knew she wore glasses fro driving. So every visit to see her I would bring in 3 or 4 pairs of Zenni glasses to show her. Sam's Club doesn't give their employees glasses free. They only get a 10% discount. Anyway after doing that a few times one day when i went in to see her she quickly told me that she didn't want to see any more glasses from me. She told me that she had ordered 3 pairs and was currently waiting for them to arrive. She was a little concerned because it was a couple days past the 2 weeks they promise. I told her what likely happened and assured her there was nothing to worry about. I called her 2 days later just to see if she had heard anything about her glasses and she said they came in the following day of my visit. She said she really liked them and had already wore one pair driving to work. So of course the next day she got her 2nd order so she ended up with 2 of each that she ordered. She told me that a worker in the store really liked one of her new glasses so she gave her the glasses and put that girls prescription into the frame. I'm sure that you much rather have you glasses arrive early and only get the one set rather than taking a little longer and getting 2 sets.


oopsI 27 Mar 2017, 13:13

antonio,

First and foremost thank you, I do love the two more "expensive" frames

what do you mean? Do you think the steps I increased the prescription in are too large?


oopsI 27 Mar 2017, 13:10

Also before ordering from Zenni's today I decided to test if I actually want this one more time, by walking around outside in the +1.5 glasses. It's odd, I do seem to react strongly to my minor astigmatism, because I (subjectively) see worse in them than I do with the +2.5 over my actual prescription. The ghost image seems more prominent with a higher spheric prescription, too.

I quite enjoyed it, though. I felt a little nauseous after some time, but I think that's because the change occurred so sudden and it wouldn't be like that if my prescription was to go up slowly.


antonio 27 Mar 2017, 13:04

hi OopsI,

increasingly nice glasses,

but arenīt those increasingly a little strong for you ? :-)

best regards, antonio


oopsI 27 Mar 2017, 12:29

Soundmanpt

Sorry, I didn't see the questions you asked.

I ended up with three pairs, because I couldn't decided what to get and I found a promo code that gave me ten percent off, so one pair was actually free as well as me being a little worried that my orders will be held by customs which would mean it I'd have to wait quite some time for that.

I ended up with those

http://www.zennioptical.com/acetate-plastic-rectangle-eyeglass-frames-125021.html

(Prescription (sphere) -1, no AR as I'm hoping that I don't have to wear that pair for long I thought I could go cheep here. I like them enough to wear them full time if needed, though)

http://www.zennioptical.com/sepulveda-eyeglasses-1125214.html

(Prescription -1.75 +AR. I know you said I shouldn't do that, but again, I couldn't decided if I wanted this or the next pair and ordering the same Prescription seemed silly, this felt like the right thing to do, so I went with my guts. If I never end up wearing those I still really like the frame, so I'd probably have my optician put in my prescription in, once it's stable. )

http://www.zennioptical.com/stainless-steel-round-eyeglass-frames-323114.html

(Prescription -2.5 , AR and additional clip on shades.)

The last two were the ones I've been always getting back to, so I thought I should get those.


oopsI 27 Mar 2017, 12:17

Soundmanpt

okay, thank you :) I placed the order, I really hope this isn't going to take long, I'm really excited!


Soundmanpt 27 Mar 2017, 12:03

oopsl

So based on your question it seems like you're about to place your order for glasses? I'm sure this is exciting for you. Be sure to let me know which glasses you order and the prescriptions you decided to get for them. Now you will be watching the clock as well as you're e-mails. You know that you can track exactly where your glasses are if you want.


Soundmanpt 27 Mar 2017, 12:00

Rebecca

You did good in dodging that one, because I thought that your mom had to notice that your glasses looked a lot stronger than your other glasses looked. Mom's tend to notice things even when you don't think they do. But it will be much harder to convince her if you do go to -6.75. Your lenses would be nearly twice as thick as they are now. For that reason you really need to hold off ordering anything until you get your eyes examined. Then if still are determined to go that strong you can simply tell your mom that your eyes got a lot worse since your last eye exam and that your glasses are going to be a good deal stronger than your current ones. I asked you about what type of work you are doing hoping that maybe it was an office job and you could blame your job for ruining your eyesight.


Soundmanpt 27 Mar 2017, 11:48

oopsl

Trust me you can ignore that. That has been on there for some time now. I remember the first time I saw that and i was a little concerned like you are. Place your order it will be fine.


oopsI 27 Mar 2017, 11:06

Hey, I'm a little concerned with the Terms and conditions from Zenni's. It says they require a copy of my prescription, do they actually need that?


Rebecca 27 Mar 2017, 10:35

Yes, she noticed the thickness, but I said it was just the way these lenses were made due to being low index. I work at Value Village in Vancouver, BC. I will be quitting when I turn 18 on June 7 so I can get the maximum welfare amount.


Soundmanpt 27 Mar 2017, 10:29

Rebecca

So what you're saying is that of course you want your eyes to change but you also like the looks of wearing stronger glasses. And you want to enjoy the reactions when someone tries your glasses on and they will think that you can't see anything without your glasses. But even now with your current glasses i'm sure they can't see much of anything through your glasses now. So you have to enjoy it when someone tries your glasses and they comment on how strong your glasses are and how bad your eyesight must be. Of course you go right along by saying that you can't really see anything without your glasses. From the pictures you posted of yourself wearing your glasses they clearly show a nice bit of cut-in and i'm sure that your eyes are noticeably smaller looking at you through your lenses. When you got your current glasses I assumed that you used your mom's credit card then to too? Didn't she notice how strong your glasses suddenly got from what they were before? What type of part time job do you have?


Rebecca 27 Mar 2017, 09:41

Soundmanpt

Yes, it's mostly about the look and thickness of the lenses. I want everyone to see my strong prescription. And when they try them on, they will think I'm really blind without them. Even the thought of it gives me such a buzz.

I can always get more glasses after my eye exam. I have a part time job so my mom will let me use her credit card online.


Soundmanpt 27 Mar 2017, 09:33

Rebecca

Before you order any new glasses I suggest that you at least wait until you get your eyes examined and see if there has been any change in your vision since your last eye exam. I'm sure you understand that even though you're wearing -3.75 glasses when you take your glasses off for the first few minutes your eyes are going to be seeing the way someone would that needs -3.75 glasses. But then your eyes start to regress and your vision is soon much better. But not perfect because you do have an actual prescription. For that reason it has to very hard for you to determine if your eyes are returning to what your natural vision is without glasses or if it is somewhat worse and you just don't realize it.

Taking big increases is very hard on your eyes and this can cause retinas to detach. When your -3.75 glasses arrived and you put them on for the first time didn't they feel very strong to your eyes? Those first few days wearing them your eyes must have felt like they were being pulled out of your head. Your eyes were likely bloodshot from the strain of trying to focus with them on and reading couldn't have been very easy or comfortable to you. You did very good just by pushing through it until your eyes slowly adjusted to your glasses. Honestly if there isn't any change after wearing your glasses this long then going up another -3.00 isn't going to change anything either. Now if you just want your glasses to look a little stronger that's fine, but you really need to be careful.


Rebecca 27 Mar 2017, 09:05

Sorry, that was me. Not intended to be anonymous.


 27 Mar 2017, 09:04

NNVisitor

Thank you very much for the well wishes; I wish you the same.

NJ

Unfortunately, you may be right. But my eyes do accommodate better than they used to. Wearing -3.75 is no problem at all.

I am thinking about going up to -6.75.


NJ 27 Mar 2017, 08:36

Rebecca, I would respectfully submit that there's no evidence that wearing minus glasses above one's natural prescription will induce any additional myopia in those not otherwise predisposed. It's essentially the same as doing a lot of close work, like most young people do in school. And even among those who are predisposed, all the evidence suggests that reducing the accommodative demands of close work have only very modest effects on reducing progression; so modest in fact that there's no widespread consensus in the optometry community about prescribing bifocals to children who have early myopia, despite the considerable risks that accompany more severe myopia.

Just keep in mind that this is a fetish/fantasy website, and the needs and desires of the participants, including myself, often color the beliefs and claims that appear on this forum.

You're more than welcome to keep trying, though. I sure did in the past!


NNVisitor 27 Mar 2017, 08:22

Rebecca

Factoring in my astigmatism probably near 11.50. I did not have a retinal detachment. My vitrious pulled away from my retina in one area. An opthalmologist has found some scarring on my retinas. It can mean many things so I don't worry but I am concerned.

I've had opthalmic migraines and I know the flashing colour pattern is not a retinal detatachment. What to watch out for is flashes of light when going from a dark room to a lighted room or the opposite. Or flashes that look like a fluresant light flickering. Or a curtain type covering in one eye. Abdolutely head to a hospital emergency room for any of these three.

I'm amazed at how you can tolerate a higher prescription. 20/10 is fantastic visual accuity. I've had trouble tolerating prescription increases which I felt were too strong. I really didn't wear my glasses all the time when I was growing up so that could be why I had adjustment problems. My eyesight got worse and worse. Yours may be stable as stronger lenses are not worsening your myopia. I think genetics play a strong role in myopia progression and that you will not become more myopic or at the most slightly more so. Best of luck to you going forward. You are still young and living at an exciting time of technological, scientific and medical advances. I wish you a great future filled with happiness.


Rebecca 26 Mar 2017, 20:26

Sorry to hear about your retinal detachment. What is your Rx?

I have been stacking glasses to get an idea of what I can tolerate. I can see fine with -5.50 so I'm thinking about increasing by 3 diopters to -6.75.


NNVisitor 26 Mar 2017, 16:03

Rebecca

The higher the myopia the greater the risk. It doesn't mean it will happen but who wants a heightened risk?

I've had retinal problems that had to be fixed. The last time it was 10 minutes of laser treatment. I will have to get my retina's checked again. Sure I am concerned. It's important to learn the signs. A pending retinal detachment is an absolute emergency.


Rebecca 26 Mar 2017, 11:41

Soundmanpt

How likely is retinal detachment? Does the chance increase with more diopters? I at least want to do -5. Or is that too high? How is retinal detachment treated?


Soundmanpt 26 Mar 2017, 11:16

Rebecca

That's amazing that they are still able to return to your natural vision so quickly after wearing glasses that strong. Now i'm sure that you're aware that even by wearing -3.75 glasses at most your eyes were likely only going to change to around -2.00. So are you quite certain that there has been no change in your vision in the past year? Maybe wait until you get your eyes examined and find out what prescription you get this time without any type of cheating to alter anything. As far as any suggestion for ordering stronger glasses it is very hard to say how much more over correction your eyes can tolerate. The glasses that your currently wearing is much stronger than I would have ever recommended to you last April. Do you remember how long it took for your eyes to adjust to your glasses back then? I really wouldn't expect that going any stronger is going to have any effect on your eyes as far as making them anymore myopic than they are now. You just want to be careful not to go too strong and cause your retinas to detach. From what you have said it sounds like your eyes are very comfortable wearing your current glasses and needless to say you are able to see incredibly well with your glasses. But I wouldn't try and push them too hard by going overly strong again. Maybe order your new glasses with -4.75 lenses. I know you are wanting better results than you so far haven't seemed to get as far as actually needing stronger glasses based on written prescription. But at least your eyes aren't so stubborn not to allow you to wear fairly strong glasses. And while your wearing your glasses your eyes are happy to be relaxing with the help from your glasses.


Rebecca 26 Mar 2017, 09:06

Soundmanpt

It's just a few minutes. What would you recommend for my next prescription? How much do you reckon my eyes can tolerate? I remember someone a long time ago recommend going up 3 diopters each time, so that would be in the -6 range which is my goal.


Soundmanpt 26 Mar 2017, 08:56

Rebecca

Well if you have been wearing your glasses constantly for the past 6 months like you say that you have then I have to agree wit you that you have very stubborn eyes and they are refusing to be changed for some reason. You're certainly still young enough for you eyes to be changed and your glasses are more than strong enough for your eyes. In fact I would have suggested you go much weaker for your glasses, but your eyes don't seem to have any problems with seeing with your glasses since your able to see 20/10 wearing them and you probably are seeing even better than that. So there is no doubt that your eyes have adjusted to your glasses which is why if you take your glasses off during the day everything should be a blurry mess to you. Once you have your glasses off how long does it take before your natural eyesight returns to you? Is it only a few minutes or more than an hour. If you're hoping to see at least some change in your eyes I would suggest that you try and get a late afternoon eye appointment and not an early morning exam. Your eyes should at least me much more stressed later in the day.


Rebecca 26 Mar 2017, 08:03

Soundmanpt

For the past 6 months I really have worn them constantly, from when I wake up to when I go to sleep. I only take them off in the shower. So I don't know why my eyes are so stubborn. :(


Soundmanpt 26 Mar 2017, 07:36

Rebecca

Your response wasn't what I was hoping and expecting to hear. Your vision when you awaken should be considerably worse by now after having wore your -3.75 glasses for nearly a full year. You;re certainly still young enough for your eyes to be changed and the glasses you're wearing are more than strong enough as well. So it makes me question how much you wear your glasses? Being the right age and wearing the right glasses are both important but it is also critical that you wear your glasses constantly from the first minute you open your eyes each day until you go back to bed at the end of the day. Wearing your glasses for 15 hours a day and then having them off for an hour is the same as not wearing glasses at all. You have have done nothing to induce doing that. I'm not sure what trying to fool the machine or doctor would prove to you? You know of course that the whole process from the time you enter the doctor's office until you leave can take slightly over an hour. I don't know how long your vision stays blurry after you take your glasses off but if starts returning to normal during your exam that could lead to some interesting questions from the doctor if your vision is slowly returning during the exam. Fooling the doctor or the machine isn't going to prove anything for you. You want to know if there has been any real change in your vision in the past year. You can only find that answer by not cheating for the exam. Ordering stronger glasses isn't going to change anything that your current -3.75 glasses shouldn't have already done to your eyes. I think that you do probably wear your glasses quite often but you take them off to give your eyes a break too much.


oopsI 26 Mar 2017, 02:13

Thank you Cactus! Glad to hear your retina's doing good.


Rebecca 25 Mar 2017, 22:36

Soundmanpt

Unfortunately, my natural vision is quite good when I wake up. It's only really bad right after I take off my glasses. So for the eye exam, I'll wear my strong glasses as much as possible and then switch to my prescribed glasses at the last minute. I hope that will work to fool the machine.


Soundmanpt 25 Mar 2017, 21:40

Cactus Jack

I know I can always count on you to provide a much better and more accurate explanation than I can.

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 7 years ago. I honestly don't watch my diet very well at all. At first I was told to check my blood sugar 3 times a day but since then I am checking and reporting my numbers at my 6 month doctor visits. It ranges between 118 and 138 mostly but every so often it spikes up to around 165 or so.

Glad to hear that your exam seemed to go well. I actually have to see my endocrinologist on march 28th. My 6 month checkup. He always asks about my eyes and I am telling him the truth that so far i don't notice any change in my eyesight.


Cactus Jack 25 Mar 2017, 21:25

Soundmanpt and oopsI,

Night Blindness can have many causes. Some relate to Retinal problems, Glaucoma, clouding of the Crystalline Lens by Cataracts, and Insufficient Rhodopsin (or ďVisual PurpleĒ) that is necessary for the Rods to do their job.. A more subtile cause is simple uncorrected Myopia.

At night or in low light conditions, you have two things working against you if you are Myopic. The first has to do with the characteristics of complex lens systems. The eyeís lens system is very similar to a high end camera lens. It has multiple lenses and an Iris (pupil) that can be adjusted for the lighting conditions. The Iris is ďclosed downĒ (higher ďfĒ stops) and the pupil contracts to let in less light, so the film, image sensor, or Retina is not over exposed to light. This has a secondary benefit, It increases the Depth of Field or the Range of useful focus of the image. If the Iris or pupil opening is small enough, even blurry images can get pretty clear. That is why people often squint to improve their vision or ECPs us a pinhole ďlensĒ to see if correction is even possible.

The second thing is that if looking at a dim light source (a star in the sky is a good example) there are a limited number of Photons arriving from the distant source. If they are NOT in good focus, the few Photons are spread over several Rods in the Retina and their may not be enough Photons to trigger a response so no signal is delivered to the Visual Cortex and you canít ďseeĒ the star. If the image is not sharply focused, you may also see a halo or similar effect around a brighter light source because there are more Photons. If they are not properly focused and are diffuse, they can activate nearby Rods that should NOT have been activated and you see a halo or starburst of light around the actual source.

BTW, I had a Retinal exam yesterday where my eyes were dilated and my Retinas checked for Diabetic damage with a very bright light and a High PLUS magnifying lens. With my eyes dilated, I had no defense against the bright light and it was pretty rough. Fortunately, no Retinal damage was found. No change from previous exams (I watch my Blood Glucose levels like a hawk), but the bright light temporarily bleached out the Visual Purple in the Rods of my Retina. It took several minutes, while the Visual Purple regenerated andI could see well in the dim exam room. I have fairly frequent (every 6 months) Retinal checks and I knew what to expect.

A little bit of extra MINUS, over correction or a bit of PLUS under correction can sometimes help significantly with Night Vision issues, as it did with the friend who was having trouble driving at night

C.


Soundmanpt 25 Mar 2017, 21:25

Rebecca

When your -3.75 glasses arrived and you put them on for the first time didn't they feel much too strong for your eyes? Would I be correct to assume that everything looked extremely intense and mall but very clear and sharp? But very difficult to see anything close up with them on. How long did it take before your glasses began to feel normal to you? I am not at all surprised that now with your glasses you have no problem at all seeing the 20/10 line on an eyechart and much worse without your glasses. That would be about what I would expect when you first take off your glasses. But what you really want to know is if your eyesight is really that poor. Almost certainly your eyesight is worse now than it was before you started wearing your current glasses. How much of your natural eyesight returns to you after you have your glasses off for a while is the only way to really know. If your curious to know try testing your eyes in the morning before you put your glasses on. You had a slight prescription before but lie you said it was mainly astigmatisms. But just by looking at things from a window in your house should give you some idea of how much you need your glasses now.


Rebecca 25 Mar 2017, 12:38

Likelenses

Thank you. Yes, I wore them full time. I had a vision test (trying to read the letters) but not an eye exam. I got 20/10 vision with glasses on and did poorly with them off.

Here is a picture for proof of who I am: https://imgur.com/Q1GwqmB


oopsI 25 Mar 2017, 11:17

Soundmanpt

From what I've gathered night blindness is actually a different condition that cannot be corrected with glasses (the rod's are not working properly). Here needing a higher prescription at night is called nighttime myopia (might not be the term in English, though). It is caused by the pupils being wider at night.


oopsI 25 Mar 2017, 11:04

Likelenses

thank you a lot for your concern, I'm happy that people care enough to mention it in this kind of forum. But I really doubt that what I'm doing will do any damage to my eyes, that cannot be corrected by glasses/ other vision aid's. In most of the surgical jobs you work with some kind of magnification method anyway, which is usually just adaptable to a prescription (I'm certain I don't want to do any kind of orthopedic surgery where you don't do that) and most doctors I know are myopic (at least some of them are at about -6D) and I have never heard from anyone that they had a problem with patients.

Also again, I'm going to check on the progress regularly and if I notice all of this working too well I'll stop immediately. My plan right now is to go through with what I've discussed here on the forum and then go for an eye exam in October (not wearing the glasses before that for a day or two to see my real prescription) and if my prescription was any higher than sph -1.25 I'd stop wearing too high of a prescription.


Soundmanpt 25 Mar 2017, 10:53

oopsl

Why am I not surprised to hear that you already are holding reading material close to your eyes? Like I said before, you clearly have done your research on inducing myopia haven't you? And yes I think your new glasses will improve your night vision. You might have the same problem others have with driving at night. Funny thing if yo had mentioned that at your last eye exam I think you might have even gotten a slightly stronger prescription for your glasses. It's called "night blindness" or at least that is what I have been told doctors refer to it being. A really good example is my best friend's wife. About 5 years ago we were all together heading home for a ballgame and we were in my friends car. My friend had been drinking so he asked his wife to drive because she doesn't drink. It was quite dark and she was complaining about not being able to see very well. i could see that she was squinting quite a bit. I asked her if he had the same problem during the day and she said she didn't. that she could see just fine. I told her that she should get her eyes examined and to be sure to tell the doctor about the night driving problem based on what I had heard. About 2 weeks later I was at their house talking to her husband and she heard me and she came out wearing glasses. She thanked me and said that she took my advice to get her eyes examined and she made a big point about the driving after dark thing. It was a good thing because her vision checked out as being perfect. But because of the night problem the doctor wrote her a prescription fr glasses. She asked for a copy so she would be able to tell people why she needs glasses. She showed it to me and it was only -.50 SPH for both eyes with a good quality AR coating (anti-reflective). And it was written on the slip Must be worn at night for driving. She said that she had already tried them out and they made a big difference for her.

I am not surprised to hear that you're considering optometry I really thinkyou would be very good at that because you clearly have an interest in it.


Soundmanpt 25 Mar 2017, 09:24

Likelenses

Actually if you look back to her comment on "17 Mar 17:08" she said that she likes the looks of glasses that are -2.00 to -6.00. But right below that she says that her goal is -2.00. You're likely right that with so much reading and studying her actual eyesight would slowly change over the next 3 or 4 years. But by wearing stronger glasses she is going to reach her goal much faster and it is impossible to know if all the reading will surpass her goal prescription. I think the reading will mostly bridge the gap between her actual eyesight and the glasses she will be wearing, not exceed it. She seems to be a very intelligent young lady and I think she will know when she is happy with where her eyes are at. She may decide to stop before she gets to -2.00 or go a bit beyond that point. Just because she'll be wearing glasses shouldn't in any way mean that if she won't be a very good surgeon. And I seriously doubt that there would be any patient confidence lost because she's wearing glasses.

I assume Julie is still waiting for her glasses to arrive? looking back it appears she placed the order with the help of you and Cheryl back on the 18th so that is only about a week ago. She was getting bifocals and I know Zenni says that can sometimes delay them a few days.


Likelenses 24 Mar 2017, 18:15

Rebecca

Really hot looking in these glasses. Nice cut in.

Did you wear them full time while in prison?

Were you able to have your eyes examined while in there?


Likelenses 24 Mar 2017, 16:47

oopsI

You stated that ideally you would like to reach -3.5.

Have you considered the fact that by the time you finish med school, which in itself will do a number on your eyes,combined with inducing that you may wind up very myopic.

So much so that your vision may not be very good for performing surgery.Or depending on your specialty,a loss of patient confidence in you due to your thick glasses,and perception that you do not see very well.

I think that would be a real oops!


oopsI 24 Mar 2017, 11:20

I do my best to do that, already, yes and I hope they'll arrive as soon as possible (also I want to know if I see better in the -1.00 ones than in the glasses I have right now, especially at night, because i feel like I don't see as clearly at night as I should)

And again, I don't know if there will be any changes in my vision by the time we do that eye test, but I think it's a good interval to check if I've actually made any progress. I'll have to find out if they ask for my prescription, though, because that could be awkward, lol.

I am thinking about going into ophtalmology for sure. I remember watching videos on manual refraction years ago. I love the physiology of the eye, too.


Soundmanpt 24 Mar 2017, 08:55

oopsl

I know you're in med school, are you intending on becoming a doctor? With your interest in vision have you considered becoming an optometrists? I really think you would be very good at that and you certainly have a head start in that field already.


Soundmanpt 24 Mar 2017, 08:52

oopsl

So really by the time you do the eye test in med school you will have only had your glasses about 2 months or so. That may or may not be enough time to show any progress. But even now while you're wearing your actual prescription glasses try and remember when studying and reading to be in a dimly lighted area and hold whatever your reading as close to your eyes as possible as much as your eyes will allow you to. And continue to do that once you get your new glasses. I hoping that you get your glasses shipped faster than 3 weeks. I'm in the US and my recent orders have been arriving in about 9 - 10 days. But I have no idea what the delivery time is for Austria.


oopsI 23 Mar 2017, 12:26

Oh yes, I'm really excited. Especially because we will do a vision test in med school in about three months where I will actually be able to check the progress a little and I'm really looking forward to that to see if my vision will be worse by then (I know it might not be, though).

I really hope they will arrive in about three weeks. At that time I'll have to do a bunch of reading, too, which I expect to work in my favour.


Soundmanpt 23 Mar 2017, 12:19

oopsl

Yes without a doubt getting a sunglasses clip for one of the glasses is a better idea than spending extra money on a pair of sunglasses for sure and the clip will fit the glasses you get perfectly. I'm just happy for you that you're going to able to order your glasses between now and Monday for sure. And I have a feeling you can't wait to get your glasses so you can get started wearing them.


oopsI 23 Mar 2017, 11:56

Yes Soundmanpt, that is true.

I didn't think I'd want the sunclip, but if you say it's good I'll just order it for one of the pairs (probably the -2.5 pair I can wear in the summer as I rarely read outside anyway so it makes sense to choose it for a stronger one) instead of extra sunglasses.

I still don't know if I want to go for a more expensive but pretty pair for the -1.00 glasses or if that would be a waste because I won't wear them for long, though.


Soundmanpt 23 Mar 2017, 11:41

oopsl

Those are the decisions that only you can make. You know the size of glasses that will fit you best and you have an idea what prescriptions you want to start with. You know that all of the glasses come with an optional sunglass clip that is only like $4.00. I have ordered that for several people in the past and the clip is usually a perfect for the glasses.


oopsI 23 Mar 2017, 11:19

Hey :)

I have yet to order the glasses because I haven't got my money for next month yet. It will be there either tomorrow or on Monday so that will be the day I'll place the order on.

I'm really conflicted, because I can't decide on a frame so I'm debating if I should order two (+ a pair of sunglasses) pairs (but that would really only make sense if I ordered two different prescriptions).

I'm conflicted, lol.


Soundmanpt 23 Mar 2017, 10:43

oopsl

Just curious if you placed your order for your glasses yet and which glasses you decided on as well? Back on the 18th you said that you planned on ordering your glasses this week.


Soundmanpt 22 Mar 2017, 10:55

Rebecca

Sorry to hear that you were in prison the past 6 months but good to hear that you're out now. It took several minutes of searching but I found that you first came into this thread back on April 18th 2016. You said that you had last gotten your eyes examined in June of 2014 and after a bit lying you managed to come away with a prescription of -1.00 for each eye and -.25 astigmatism in your left eye. You wore your glasses with this prescription constantly over the next 2 years with little or no change to your actual vision. But in April of 2016 you got your eyes examined again and and your results were Right eye -.75 -.50 / Left eye -.25 -.75 So a little bit of a change You were planning on ordering glasses on line with a much stronger prescription but at that time you did say exactly what that was going to be. But it seems that you took "Specs4evers" advice to order your glasses -3.00 stronger than you were prescribed. At the time you were only 16 so because of your young age he felt that your eyes would have very little trouble adjusting to the stronger glasses. Apparently he was right and your eyes were able to see pretty well with your -3.75 glasses. You have had your glasses for nearly a year now and in "Post your Prescription" you indicated that you are planning on getting your eyes examined again in April and you're hoping for an increase this time. If you wear your glasses constantly and with your young age I would be very surprised if you don't get a considerable increase from your last eyes exam. There is no harm in testing your eyes your self. I'm sure when you take your glasses off to clean them things are quite blurry, but the real test is how blurry are things when you wake up in the morning before you put your glasses on? It should much more blurry than it was before you started wearing your current glasses. Nice that you included several pictures of you wearing your glasses. They look really good on you and that style of glasses just happens to be a favorite with me on young women. I'm sure I don't have to remind you that you can't wear those glasses if you intend to go back to where you last got your eyes examined. You will have to wear the glasses that you were prescribed. I think Clearly is based in Canada which maybe why the total is less for glasses but I don't think Zenni charges too much more than $5.00 to ship to Canada. They are International and I know that even shipping to the UK was only $8.00. But they don't charge any extra for stronger prescriptions until you reach -8.00 or more. One way to find out is to call them. They have an 800 number and customer service is very good as well.

Welcome back and good luck at your upcoming eye exam.


Rebecca 22 Mar 2017, 00:04

Hi, I'm back. I was in prison for the past six months. I hope you haven't forgotten me because I certainly haven't forgotten this forum. Tomorrow when I get my new phone I will post pictures of me in my glasses with my name and timestamp. For now, here are some pictures of me with -3.75, the highest I could get from Clearly without paying for lenses. http://imgur.com/a/nHz8O


Cactus Jack 20 Mar 2017, 16:49

glasses4me,

It is possible that you may have a bit of Latent (Hidden) Hyperopia. That often happens to people with Hyperopia (corrected by PLUS glasses). It is actually the same thing as Pseudo Myopia except on the other side of 0.00.

Hyperopia is the ONLY refractive error that you can correct internally, using your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses. If you do that long enough, your Ciliary Muscles will have trouble relaxing.

It is nearly impossible to tell if a person has Latent Hyperopia until they start wearing PLUS glasses and it can take a while for it to be revealed. The symptoms are a need for more PLUS in their glasses within a few weeks or months of starting to wear PLUS glasses full time. Wearing PLUS glasses allows the Ciliary Muscles to relax and that reduces the amount of internal PLUS that needs to be supplied by the Crystalline Lenses. This can have a side benefit of making more Accommodation available for focusing close.

However, if Presbyopia is beginning to become problem, it can speed the requirement for bifocals or progressives. It is very easy to get Hyperopia and Presbyopia confused, both require PLUS correction. Hyperopia requires PLUS to correct distance vision and Presbyopia requires additional PLUS (an Add) to help you focus for reading or other close work.

The small amount of Cylinder and Axis correction will make things better at all distances, particularly for reading text.

C.


glasses4me 20 Mar 2017, 13:59

Cactus Jack,

Thank you I age would be a barrier. Perhaps it's not a good idea.

I actually wish inducing hyperopia was possible. I have a small plus. I can still see distance while wearing them but I think this is only because it's a small add and they correct some small astigmatism.

OD .5 Cyl -.25 Axis 025,

OS .5 Cyl -.5 Axis 180.

Thanks.


Cactus Jack 19 Mar 2017, 07:18

glasses4me,

There are actually two types of Myopia. Axial or True Myopia results when your eyeballs grow longer than they should for the total PLUS power of your eye's lens system. Axial Myopia is considered Permanent. Pseudo or False Myopia is caused by your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses (your auto-focus system) having difficulty fully relaxing for distance. It is considered Temporary, but Temporary can be a rather long time if you wear glasses with more MINUS than you actually need.

Wearing more MINUS than you actually need can cause headaches, but if you have enough Accommodation available to compensate for the MINUS, the headaches will go away. The trick is to NOT be too aggressive. We typically suggest that you start with -1.00 over correction from your actual prescription and not increase that until those glasses get comfortable while reading. The first step is targeted at strengthening your Ciliary Muscles. In some ways it is like using weights to strengthen muscles. You DON'T start with heavy weights, you start with light weights and lots of repetitions. Too much MINUS or Too Heavy Weights are counter productive.

At 39 it is highly unlikely that you can Induce any Axial Myopia, your genes simply will not let that happen. You might be able to Induce a bit of Pseudo Myopia, but Presbyopia, which is the gradual stiffening of the Crystalline Lenses, will work against you. If you use up some of your diminishing Accommodation Amplitude compensating for too much MINUS, that will reduce the amount of Accommodation available for focusing close. That will lead to the need for bifocals or progressives before you need them without the excess MINUS.

Evening out your prescription is probably not possible.

It would be very helpful if you would post your complete prescription.

C.


glasses4me 19 Mar 2017, 03:20

Hi,

I hope you can help with a couple of questions.

If you wear stronger glasses to induce myopia is it permanent?

I guess you would get headaches at first - would this pass? Would it get to a point where it's just normal?

What happens when presbyopia sets in? Given I'm already 39.

I already had +.5 glasses. Could doing this just even out my eye sight?

Thanks Gary


antonio 18 Mar 2017, 17:06

yes med school is very long,

so you probably will develop pretty some

natural shortsightness like me :-)

ok, then I donīt worry, :-)

yes 15 cm clear in front of my eyes and thatīs it :-),

increasingly blurrier farer away for me :-)

and pretty ridiculous to hold things that near to see,

donīt you think ? :-)

if you like to chat just visit

http://lenschat.com

best regards, antonio


oopsI 18 Mar 2017, 16:59

Thank you antonio.

With your prescription it should be around 15 cm to see clearly, right?

I don't want to end up any higher than -3.5, I'd like something between -2 and -3 at most.

And yes, I went from +0.25 to -0.25 in 10 months (3 of which I was actually in university so I might very well be on the way of developing a little higher of a prescription naturally) and I'm going to make sure I'll go check the progression on my own regularly and go for an eye exam in a year, I think. If the development of axial myopia somehow seems to be going too fast I'll stop, don't worry about me ;)


antonio 18 Mar 2017, 16:48

OopsI,

to give you an idea what my prescription means in practical life:

I can hardly find my own glasses if my eyes are much more than 30 or 50 cms away from them.

So I tend to need glasses to find my glasses now, which is quite contradictional :-)

best regards, antonio


antonio 18 Mar 2017, 16:45

hi OopsI,

yes I guess med school might made you more shortsighted anyway, you said you already went from +0,25 to -0,25,

so that seems to happen anyway for you.

And if people have seen you wearing -2 for some time, thatīs already normal to them to see you in those.

But please donīt exaggerate, take into account that your eyes can drift towards shortsightness on their own as they already seem to do and that way you could really get dependant on glasses to see as Iīm now.

best regards, antonio


oopsI 18 Mar 2017, 16:21

Hey antonio,

before that they were at +0.25 with a -0.5 cylinder, so barely anything at all, but again, no drivers license without them. For some reason my left eye doesn't want to see properly without correction, but it's the better one when I do wear glasses.

And yes, I'm unworried about the change up to -2 or something, but if I do go higher observant people might notice. But then again, I remember in middle school a classmate of mine went from -1.00 to more than -5 within a year and nobody questioned it. I can blame it on med school, I guess, lol.


antonio 18 Mar 2017, 16:09

OopsI,

if you have worn glasses already for a year,

normally nearly nobody will ask you if your prescription goes up a little, as this is quite normal- happened to me too - and difficult to see anyway.

So donīt worry, nice you like being bespectacled, too

best regards, antonio


antonio 18 Mar 2017, 15:49

hi OopsI,

nice eyeglasses, you wear currently, OopsI,

by the way, if you updated a month ago your prescription,

what was it before your current cylindric lenses. i.e. how strong ?

Iīm astonished you wear them already for a year always when being outside, but yes, if astigmatism makes the world wavy for you as you said, I can understand why you wear them so much,

best regards, antonio-o


oopsI 18 Mar 2017, 13:34

Thank you for the explanation :) If you say 130 is a good width then I won't worry about it. My glasses suit my face well (if I say so myself, lol), but I think a bit narrower should work, too. (Okay, I just looked up my glasses online and apparently I'm doing my measurements wrong, because online it says they are 131mm wide , which is great. those are the ones I have right now http://www.garrettleight.com/eyeglasses/milwood/?130=444 )

Thank you for those tipps. I'm going to try to do that.

And yes you are right in thinking I didn't tell anyone (If anyone found out I'd feel very silly :D) . I live alone right now, so that shouldn't be a problem and thank's for that excuse. I feel like that's another good reason to order more than one pair, because I'll be able to switch them every now and then and I can tell people I'm trying to find out which pair I like best.


Soundmanpt 18 Mar 2017, 12:57

oopsl

I don't know if this will help you or not but there are 26 millimeters to an inch so the difference between 125mm and 130mmwould be less than 1/4" So you know how your glasses feel on you and how they look. Do they seem to be a perfect fit or do you think they could be a tiny bit more narrow? For what it's worth I have a sample case with over 75 pairs of women's glasses in it that I use for my non profit vision group I work with. Nearly all of them are between 130mm and 132mm. And I also use them for other young ladies and in every case my samples fit them perfectly. For that reason I think the ones you have shown me so far will fit you very nicely. I only suggested that other site to help you pass the time while you're waiting for the money so you can order your glasses. Good to see that you will be able to place your order next week. Please post which ones you order when you place your order. Of course you do know that when your new glasses arrive the first thing you want to do is take off your current glasses and put them in a glass case and then bury them in the bottom of a drawer and forget that you won them and start wearing your new glasses right away. Now that first day it's okay to be doing a lot of comparing your vision with and without your new glasses. But have your glasses at your bedside so as soon as you wake up the next morning you can slip your glasses on and try not to take them the whole day. If you need to clean them try not to focus on anything but rather look down while you're cleaning them. Would I be correct in thinking that you have told no one what you're planning on doing? Not a bf or best friend? If anyone asks you about your glasses since you only recently got your current glasses just tell the that you found a place on line that sells glasses really cheap and you just had to order a pair or two. Not even a lie.


oopsI 18 Mar 2017, 11:36

Awe, this post was so nice, Soundmanpt :) Thank you a lot for all the support with this. I do like my face a lot more with glasses on. Do you know how much of a difference 5mm in width of the frame will make, as the glasses I usually wear are about 135mm wide.

And thank's a lot for that other website. I'll stick to Zenni's right now because of the shipping costs and I found so many pairs I want already I'd rather not find any more awesome pairs. Once I get to a prescription I'll definitely keep for a while I'll check out more places to find maybe a few frames I like a lot.

I'll probably be able to order next week and keep you updated. Now all I have to do is choose the frames to order.


Soundmanpt 18 Mar 2017, 11:11

oopsl

I kind of figured that you needed to wait to order your glasses until you had some money coming your way in April. Well the good news is that April isn't that far away anymore. So that just allows you even more time to check out other glasses that Zenni has, Oh and by the way if you run out of glasses on their site "eyebuydirect,com" is also a good source for ordering glasses. The only thing different is that i think they charge a separate charge for shipping per pair. So if you were to order 2 pairs you pay 2 shipping fees. At least I think that is true but you might want to check since you seem to enjoy "glasses shopping". Otherwise their glasses prices are about the same as Zenni. One of the things I liked about you right from you're first post was that you already had a nice very realistic goal of -2.00 as the prescription you want to end up at. Nothing extreme just a nice simple nearsighted (shortsighted) prescription for glasses. So yes that might seem like you're particular, but you're girl so that gives you the right to be particular doesn't it? lol I really think that you're going to get to your goal for several reasons. For one you seem to be very determined to do this and like I said you're not at all shooting for the moon by being happy if you can get to -2.00. Also unlike some that are starting off with completely perfect eyesight your eyesight isn't bad but it isn't perfect either so it's enough that you're now wearing glasses if not full time at least quite often now. Enough that your eyes are as you say "really uncomfortable trying to see without your glasses". You're right by the way that wavy effect you see without your glasses is caused by your astigmatisms. Also by first trying your mum's +1.50 glasses and now trying those +3.00 glasses you have a pretty good idea of what you can expect to see without glasses once your eyes have been changed. So your nit going into this "blindly" (nice pun right?) but with some knowledge of what to expect. And lastly since oyu have been wearing glasses you clearly must like how you look wearing glasses or you wouldn't be interested in making your eyesight bad enough that you will really need your glasses to see clearly. So I honestly think you will succeed. So for now you just have to wait about 2 weeks until you can order your glasses and then wait another 2 weeks for your glasses to arrive.


oopsI 18 Mar 2017, 06:06

Hey :)

I haven't left my glasses at home for the past 6 months or something. I find it really uncomfortable to see without them, because everything looks wavy. (I guess that's because I'm used to the correction of the astigmatism). I got my prescription changed about a months ago, but people are used to having me wear glasses all the time for around a year.

Today I've tried +3 glasses and that is about the maximum blur I'd like to go for (so about a prescription of -3.25 cyl. -0.5) and I'm not expecting to be able to get any higher than that anyway, at least not in axial myopia.


Antonio 17 Mar 2017, 20:51

Hi OopsI

How long do you have your first "car" glasses now?

So all people around you are already used to see you in glasses?

Best regards. Antonio


antonio 17 Mar 2017, 20:40

Hi OopsI,

i need to wear -6.5 myself in order to see.

I like women in glasses generally, also if they wear only -1 or -2 like you

Wearing stronger ones is not so cool sometimes, because you get pretty dependant on them to see and you can't simply take them off anywhere if it's raining or you do some sports and you can't let them stay at home any more

Best regards, antonio


oopsI 17 Mar 2017, 17:08

Next month I'll have some extra money, so I'll be able to pay for those glasses easily, so I'll just get the extra pair :D

I do love the way minus glasses look especially at a prescription from about -2.50 to -6.00. I'm very particular, lol.

Yeah, I was thinking 1.5 for the first two pairs and then go higher in the index, good thing to hear you agree. I would obviously not mind to get a little higher of a prescription than -2, but I don't expect it to work that easily, so -2 is my goal for now. And yes, I'm aware I'll have to get to about -4 for that. I hope this will work, I'm getting rather excited here.


Soundmanpt 17 Mar 2017, 15:48

oopsl

It's very easy to tell that your desire to wear myopic glasses wasn't something you just woke up thinking about last week. You have clearly done some research before you spoke up in this thread. Needless to say you much prefer the way myopic glasses look compared to plus glasses. I totally understand needing to wait until you can get the necessary money to order glasses with. Most college kids don't have much extra money laying around. It is up to you if you want to go ahead and order a pair of -2.00 at the same time. In fact since you want to do that then as soon as they arrive go ahead and give the -2.00 glasses a try as being your stage one glasses. I am pretty sure that you will quickly find that they will be very uncomfortable to wear full time within a very short time. But then you know because if for some reason your able to wear them right away then you might want to send back the -1.00 glasses if they aren't needed. Zenni will do a half refund if you return them within a few days. Now if they are only a cheap pair it might not be worth sending them back because the return shipping could be more than you would get back. But I really think you will quickly find out that your eyes will be much more tolerant to your -1.00 glasses as your starter pair. As for as which lens option to get for your glasses you probably don't want to use the 1.57 lenses at all. Your lenses are going to be rather thin even with the 1.50 option with a -1.00 prescription. And I would stay with that for -2.00 as well because what you don't want to do is go with thinner lenses for the weaker glasses and then switch to the thicker lenses for the stronger glasses down the road because that could be noticeable enough to be questioned. Once you get to -3.00 or more you will see some cut-in. Now remember in order for you get an actual prescription of around -2.00 you will need to be able to wear -4.00 glasses. Your eyes will only change to about half of whatever prescription your wearing.


antonio 17 Mar 2017, 15:21

Hi OppssII

normally itīs really not necessary to go for an higher index at just only -2.

But if you really want to make them look only like -1,5 or -1,25 or so an index of 1,57 might help

in general at index 1,5 every diopter more make glasses about 1 mm thicker, at index 1,5 maybe even a bit more.

concerning shoes, I guess people will look more often to your face than to your shoes ? :-)

best regards, antonio :-)


oopsI 17 Mar 2017, 14:11

Also one question, do you think it makes sense to go for the 1.57 lenses instead of the 1.5 for the stronger pairs?Will the change in prescription be less noticeable? I don't want people to notice what I'm doing and don't mind the glasses looking less strong for now (I do want to maybe have a little cut in at the end, but that can wait)


oopsI 17 Mar 2017, 13:03

I did give it quite a bit of though. Thinking back, I have always liked people with minus glasses even (guys in minus glasses were always preferred :D) I think this is the right thing to do. I'll be ordering in two weeks, once I et money. I really want to order a stronger pair, too, so I'll probably order a minus two one without any additions for 6,95, too.


Soundmanpt 17 Mar 2017, 09:59

oopsl

You didn't really say how much you wear your current glasses, but I assume that you don't wear them full time but only when you feel you need them. But even wearing them part time i'm sure that you would quickly notice the difference of not having that coating on your glasses. And since you will be wearing your glasses constantly when you get them I have a feeling that by not having that coating would soon become annoying to you. Zenni actually offers 3 different versions of AR coating but I always order the $5.00 version and they work just fine. Having the AR coating will make wearing your glasses more comfortable to wear full time and that is important. I'm sure that you're having a lot of fun glasses shopping in the Zenni site. It's amazing just how many pairs of glasses they offer. I tell people all the time that without a doubt they offer more glasses than any optical store has on display. I noticed when you showed me some of the first glasses you were planning to order that you apparently already figured out what size glasses fits you best. They were all around 130mm "overall width" so did you measure your own glasses across the front and used that as a guide? That is the right way to do it so you know that they should be a a really good fit when you get them. You clearly have given a lot of thought about wearing glasses as you even said for quite a few years already. And you didn't just want to wear glasses but you wanted your eyes to be myopic. So even with needing plus glasses when you were 13 you never bothered wearing them because that wasn't what you wanted your eyes to be. So i'm sure you were thrilled when you found this site and found out that you might be able to make your wish come true. You even have a desired prescription in mind that you want your eyes to be when you go for your next eye exam. Nothing very strong but enough that you will have a good reason for wearing your glasses all the time. You just want glasses to be a part of your day to day look. So without a doubt getting some fun glasses to wear should be included. You're correct that many women do in fact collect lots of pairs of shoes, so nothing wrong with wanting to collect many pairs of glasses. If you think about it i'm sure more people will notice your glasses than your shoes. When are you planning on placing your order for glasses? I know you said once that you would be ordering in April but I think that was when you were planning on ordering several pairs instead of just one.


oopsI 16 Mar 2017, 16:28

I do have AR coating on my glasses, yes. I think I'm going to get it, it would be stupid to safe money on that and then not wear those glasses.

I actually also found a ten dollar pair I really like. The colours are a little bold, though. Not an everyday thing, I suppose, I might be getting them just for fun, though.

I forgot how much I love to shop for glasses and now that I can actually afford more than one pair I want to buy them all :D Other girls buy shoes, I buy glasses.


Soundmanpt 16 Mar 2017, 16:17

oopsl

Of course I mean when you take off your glasses not while wearing them.


Soundmanpt 16 Mar 2017, 16:16

oopsl

The AR coating is really up to you. You don't seem to do much driving and even if you not having that coating would only be somewhat annoying to you. Do you have AR coating on your current glasses? If you don't then i'm sure you wouldn't miss not having it, but if you do then you might notice it a good bit more. So now you have a pretty good idea what to expect as your eyesight starts to be changed. How you were seeing wearing only your mum's glasses is nearly exactly what you can expect to see by the end of each day when you take off your glasses for bed. The way you tested your eyes was the right way to test and not with your own glasses on under them. Now you should understand why I don't want you to start off with glasses too strong. By wearing her glasses you now know about how much wearing -1.00 glasses is going to change your eyesight. So now based on that think how much more fuzzy and blurry everything will be when you start wearing -2.00 glasses.


oopsI 16 Mar 2017, 15:47

It makes a lot of sense to do it that way. Shipping is around ten bucks, and I actually found a pair that looks very similar to the one I have right now and and they are a little cheaper (including shipping and anti reflective coating it's 30 bucks)

Do you think it makes sense to order them with anti reflective coating if I don't plan to drive in them? And -1.00 shouldn't be too strong, right?

As I was not wearing my glasses under my mum's reading was a little uncomfortable with them, because everything looked a little fuzzy. Distance was fine, obviously blurry at about 1.5 feet from my face, but comfortable and I could function very well, which is what I'm hoping for.


Soundmanpt 16 Mar 2017, 15:22

oopsl

I'm glad that you agree with me and only plan on ordering just the one pair to start with. Zenni's glasses aren't that expensive but since you like ones that are slightly more than the really inexpensive ones I don't want you to buy glasses that might be too strong for your eyes. When you got your eyes examined when the optometrist was changing from one lens to another in front of your eyes you apparently was more comfortable seeing at 2015 than you were at 20/20. So right now your eyes are very slightly over corrected with your glasses on. By wearing your mum's +1.50 glasses that is very close to what your eyesight will be like once your eyes adjust to your -1.00 glasses and take them off. So how well were you able to read wearing her glasses? And how blurry was things at a distance with them on? Is that what you're hoping for as a nice start to inducing myopia?


oopsI 16 Mar 2017, 15:04

Hey antonio

No, actually only -0.25 and -0.5 cyl. Very minor, but my vision improves a lot when I wear them.


antonio 16 Mar 2017, 15:01

Hi Oopsi,

Oh you already wear them full time? Wow. How string are they ? Ah you said about -1 and -0.5 astig? i See. :-)

Besteht regards , antonio


oopsI 16 Mar 2017, 12:22

Yes, I need glasses for driving, that's the reason I got them at first. My apparent sensitivity to correction might be the reason why I'm a full time wearer at this kind of prescription aside from just liking to wear them in general.


antonio-o 16 Mar 2017, 11:48

Hi oopsi,

according to what you said, you already need "car glasses".

If you like to discuss vision and glasses Plesse come to http://lenschat.com

Cu Antonio


oopsI 16 Mar 2017, 09:25

Thank you, that makes sense. I guess I'll order only one pair, then. Once I've seen how well my eyes adapt I'll probably be able to order stage 2, 3 and possibly 4, right?

Over here you need 0.7 or a little better than 20/30 vision to drive in either eye. Without correction I have 0.4 (which would be something between 20/40 and 20/60 vision in my left and) in my left and 0.6 in my right eye, so yes, I guess I'm pretty sensitive to correction. With correction I have 20/15 vision.

Also I decided to test again how able I am in dealing with being short sighed by wearing my mum's reading glasses around the house for about 30 minutes and I really didn't mind much (they are +1.5D)


Soundmanpt 16 Mar 2017, 09:03

oopsl

I'm not sure how long the shipping will take getting to Europe. I do know that a year or so ago someone I was in conversation with in England received her glasses within the normal 2 week time frame. She was also concerned about how long it might take to get her glasses. She also got her glasses from Zenni. The glasses are made in China then shipped to California here in the US and then mailed from their. Zenni actually makes your glasses within the first 24 hours after receiving your order. Getting two or even three pairs at once is really good because you would be saving the shipping charge and also you would already have the glasses in hand when your eyes are ready for the next stronger ones. But it is impossible to know how your eyes are going to react to over corrections. I'm afraid that you don't realize how much difference wearing -1.00 glasses will be to your eyes then your own -.25 glasses? And actually your -1.00 because of your -.50 astigmatism will be more like wearing -1.25 glasses. If you don't feel like the Lennon glasses won't suit you that well, then you should consider a different pair for your starter glasses and plan on wearing them full time. I think that trying to wear -2.00 glasses to start with is going to be much too strong for your eyes. Most people wearing -2.00 glasses need their glasses full time by that point and you would be going from hardly any prescription to that strong right away. You really need to get glasses that you're able to wear both for reading and studying as well as for seeing distances with. Not one weaker pair for reading and one stronger pair for distance. For example if you were in class and you were wearing -2.00 glasses you might be able to see the board in the distance with some effort, but then if you needed to take some notes your glasses would be too strong to see anything close very well. You don't want to be switching from one pair to the other like that. You need to make your second pair of glasses your stage 2 glasses. But until we see how well and fast your eyes adjust to the -1.00 glasses it is very difficult to suggest what prescription you should get. I don't expect it to take all that long for your eyes to adjust to the -1.00 glasses. But you or I won't know that until you start wearing them. If it only takes you a month or so for your eyes to feel completely comfortable wearing your glasses and you're able to see perfectly wearing them for both reading as well as distance then then you should be able to order your stage 2 glasses but even then I think -1.75 might be a better option. Going to -2.00 would be a really big jump. If it takes much longer for your eyes to adjust to your -1.00 glasses then the stage 2 glasses should only be -1.50. Actually I think that your eyes maybe somewhat sensitive to correction. I am not sure but I think Europe is the same about driving as it is here in the US. If you're unable to see the 20/40 you are required to wear glasses when driving. You said that you got you're most recent glasses when you failed the driver's test. So unless they require you to have completely perfect eyesight I don't how you failed the vision test. Without your glasses you should be able to see all of the 20/30 line and some of the 20/25 line. As your eyes adjust to the -1.00 glasses you will find it difficult to see the 20/50 or 20/60 line without your glasses. If you're interested there are couple of simulator sites that you can go to and by putting in the full prescription of the glasses you plan on wearing for stage 1 you will get an idea what your eyesight will be like. Let me know if you want be to post them for you.


Cactus Jack 16 Mar 2017, 07:23

That Guy,

When you get to the point where you put on your glasses first thing in the morning, wear them all day, and read comfortably for long periods with them, it is time to step up tp the -2.00 g;asses. -1.00 is typically easy to get used to. The key is the reading.

C.


That Guy 16 Mar 2017, 02:54

Hey so I got some -1 glasses. gow will I know when Ive ajusted to them? everything seems to be pritty normal. Thanks.


oopsI 15 Mar 2017, 13:20

Oh, okay, perfect. I'd like to order at least two pairs at once, shipping to Europe doesn't seem to be terribly expensive, but it takes a few weeks from what I've gathered and I don't think I'd wear the Lennon glasses full time as I feel like they might not suit me at all, so I'd be more of an at home/costume thing.

Do you think I could handle -2.00 for most of the day? If so I'd probably just order -1.00 in the Lennon glasses to wear at home and another pair with a stronger prescription to wear throughout the day. If I'm able to handle them well I could wear them at home, too.

Also would you advise me to order a third pair, too?


Soundmanpt 15 Mar 2017, 12:34

oopsl

I may have confused you as well. What I thought you meant was that you were planning on only wearing your actual prescription for reading. But if you're planning on using the SPH -1.00 Cyl -.50 for reading that should be perfect. But I think you're fine with just using those same glasses as your full time glasses for everything. Honestly I really don't think it will take 2 or 3 months for your eyes to be completely adjusted to your glasses. For that reason you might be better off going with the much cheaper Lennon glasses in case your eyes are ready to go stronger much quicker. There is no way to say how long before you will be ready for stage 2. Depending on how fast your eyes adjust to your first glasses will also give you, and me, a better idea of how strong to go with your second pair of glasses. If your eyes adjust really fast that means that your eyes are more willing accept a stronger prescription for your second pair. if it takes longer then we need to not be very aggressive. Going a stage at a time is fine since you like thew idea of ordering different glasses for each step anyway.


oopsI 15 Mar 2017, 11:20

Thank's a lot for your advise. I didn't notice the red templates, thank's for mentioning them.

I think I misunderstood what you said, then. I'm absolutely planning on wearing too strong glasses all the time, though. From what I've read in the thread, though I thought I might be able to start with a -1.00 for reading and I could wear stronger ones for lectures, etc. ... because I'm not accommodating as much, but I guess I've misunderstood that.

Do you think I could start with sph-1.00 cyl-0.50 for both eyes? I'd probably go for #4420725 there.

I'm guessing I'm not going to wear that prescription for more than two to three months or so and the ones in the next stage for a longer time? If so I might order #2015215 (light brow/red. Also thank you for the warning, but from the shape they look exactly like the ones I already have) and the Lennon ones for that stage

Do you think I could go sph -2.00 cyl -0.50 for that stage?

For the third prescription I'm thinking sph -3.00 cyl -0.50? I'm contemplating these: http://www.zennioptical.com/sepulveda-eyeglasses-1125214.html as well. I'll have to think a little bit, but as I have to wait for April before I order anything anyways I do have that time.

Do you think those prescriptions could work or are they too high? I could go -0.25 lower in sphere for all of them?

I really appreciate the help!


Soundmanpt 15 Mar 2017, 10:24

oopsl

That's really great that they were nice enough to provided you with everything you need in order to your glasses including your PD. They clearly are a place you should recommend to others. If people around you are used to seeing you wearing different glasses now then it would be fine to order different glasses to induce with. As for the glasses you have picked out I actually like all of them. You're young and being in college i really think the first ones that are only $9.95 would without a any doubt be a fun pair to wear and should be very comfortable as well. Since you always wanted glasses in the John Lennon style anyway they should be a a for sure buy. Then the next glasses #4420725 are really nice as well and again very much in style I think the tortoiseshell color would be a good look. No I don't see any red in them at all. The next glasses you have under consideration #2015215 look nice but be careful about where the bridge of the glasses is located. That could mean that when you have your glasses up in place on your nose that the top of the frame could be blocking out your eyebrows. You normally want the top of your frame just slightly below your eyebrows. Also did you notice that they have red temples? Would you be okay with the front being light brown with red temples? Lastly #207412 is another nice looking frame and I assume you would be getting the grey color? I like that the frame is made with very flexible plastic. That's nice if you watch much TV and now that you will be wearing glasses to watch TV if you happen to fall asleep with them on they are less likely to get broken. They also look like they would be very comfortable to wear. Have you decided on what prescriptions you plan on ordering yet? What were you meaning about "less strong ones for reading and studying" If you're serious about inducing myopia whatever prescription you decide to wear to get started is what you need to be wearing all the time. Actually the more close work you do such as reading and studying wearing -1.00 glasses the better it is with inducing myopia. Your eyes should be able to tolerate -1.00 for reading okay. That was why I said you shouldn't try going too strong with your first glasses. Now that you have your full prescription in hand be sure to include your CYL and axis when you place your order for glasses. So over all I really liked the glasses you have picked out. Now you have to pick which ones to order. But like you say for $10.00 I think one is a for sure pick.


oopsI 15 Mar 2017, 04:12

It worked. The young lady whom had already done the text on me was very nice and understanding, when I explained that I really just wanted a cheap pair for driving and gave me everything I need, including PD, etc. ...

Now I'm wondering, you say I should order similar frames, but if I'm going to wear them full time I want some that look nice, so do you think I can choose a cheap frame (and no anti reflective coating) for the less strong ones which I'm going to study with and for the -1.25/-2.25 ones go with a more expensive frame? Also do you think I could choose two different frames for those? I switch between pairs of glasses anyway. And is there any sort of frame I should NOT go for? I was thinking to go for those:

http://www.zennioptical.com/550011-metal-alloy-full-rim-frame-with-spring-hinge.html (I always wanted John Lennon/Harry Potter style glasses, not to wear full time, but for ten bucks and for reading I wouldn't say no)

http://www.zennioptical.com/acetate-round-eyeglass-frames-4420725.html (they appear to look similar to those I have now, I have colour vision problems, do those look red at all?)

http://www.zennioptical.com/plastic-round-eyeglass-frames-2015215.html (I always wanted light brown glasses)

http://www.zennioptical.com/womens-fullrim-acetate-plastic-round-eyeglass-frames-207412.html (I was also considering these)


oopsI 14 Mar 2017, 17:38

*failed the vision test, not felt


oopsI 14 Mar 2017, 17:26

I'll see. I'm just going to be open and tell them I don't have any money to get a good pair right now if I'm just going to leave them in my car anyways. For 35$ I could get a new pair at the cheapest place near me, but if they want a few dollars I'm just going to pay them, that's fair, I think. I mean they did the work, so I should pay them.

And yes, I know I'm barely myopic, I'm just happy it's moving in the right direction anyway, because that gives me hope that I might be able to achieve axial myopia.

For the driving part, I don't really drive, but I mainly got a new pair of glasses, because I felt the vision test to get my license. I drive a few days a year and I'm going to make sure that I see properly when I do drive during this experiment.

Thank you for the advise .

Linda


Soundmanpt 14 Mar 2017, 13:39

oopsl

I always worry that I might be confusing someone even though I try to keep it simple. So i'm glad to see that you weren't confused at all with my answer. You did very good with remembering what you did. The fact that you have bought several pairs of glasses from where you got your eye exam may be a help to you but at the same time i'm sure they don't want you to lose you as a customer either.It's possible that they may want to sell you the price of an eye exam in order to give it to you. I know that a place near me that operates the same way as where you went will sell the prescription for $35.00. That is possibly what they may offer you as well.It helped that your prescription is the same for both eyes except for the axis which is very normal. I don't need to tell you that you're barely myopic at -.25, but it is better than nothing at all. So i'm sure that you're going to notice a nice difference when you get your -1.00 glasses, but you will like how sharp and clear everything will be. Now you mentioned that you drive a car so make sure that your eyes are seeing good with your glasses on before driving with them. You want your depth perception to be good driving wearing them. This shouldn't be a problem for sure after maybe the first day of wearing them. Your eyes should adjust to them rather quickly. Even the first night when you take your glasses off at the end of the day things will be much more blurry that they are now when you take your glasses off. But the blur will only last a few minutes before your eyes return to normal. Each day that blur should remain a little longer when you take off your glasses.


oopsI 14 Mar 2017, 12:52

Thank's a lot, you didn't confuse me at all.

I will go back and ask, I've bought glasses from them twice and got my lenses changed there, too, so I hope they will allow me to get the full prescription (yes it is the same in both eyes, just different axis for the two lenses. They wrote it down on a piece of paper and I looked at it to check what changed, sadly I don't I only remember one of the axis' and I don't know which eye that was for).

I guess the reading glass thing is just an excuse to allow myself to actually make my eyes worse on purpose :D

If you think going -1.00 more for both eyes right away I'll believe you. I'll let you know how it goes and I'm happy for any sort of advise I can get.


Soundmanpt 14 Mar 2017, 12:28

oopsl

You should at the very least push back any need for reading glasses somewhat i would think. So that's a problem with going to a place that says the eye exam is free. They can refuse to provide you with a copy of your full prescription. I'm surprised that they even gave you that much of your prescription. By the way all you said your eyes were SPH -.25 and CYL -.50 is that the same for both eyes or did they only tell you what one eye was? You do have several options. I would at least go back to where you got your eyes examined at and ask for a full copy of your prescription. The worst that can happen is that they will refuse to give it to you. Then check to see what the very cheapest glasses would cost you without any extras and of course don't even consider it unless they will then give you a copy of your full prescription. The other option you have is to say "no thank you" to them and walk away. Then go on-line and pick out the glasses you want to be wearing. Personally I think Zenni is the best place to get your glasses from. (zennioptical.com) Now let me explain something to you about eyesight that might help in your case. If you were going in for contact lenses most doctors would suggest dropping the CYL completely and simply adding an extra -.25 to the SPH. So if you were wanting contacts the doctor would write you a prescription of -.50 for contacts and no CYL. Now the doctor would also tell you that doing this isn't qute as good as it would be with the CYL included but because contacts for astigmatisms is nearly 3 time more expensive than regular myopic lenses the difference is so little that going with just the SPH only is the better option.So were already taling about adding extra SPH anyway so you can work on inducing myopia. So since you can buy glasses for as low as $6.95 from Zenni in whatever prescription you decide. They have several hundred to choose from for under $13.00. This would be a much better option than buying glasses that you have no real intention of wearing just so you can get your full prescription. Now let's talk about what prescription to order as your first pair to get started with. I'm sure you want tot be aggressive but if you start off too strong it could make wearing your glasses more difficult for you. I your eyes would be okay wearing -1.25 glasses for distance, but because you're in college and need to be doing a good deal of close work such as reading that might be too much for your eyes to handle. And remember that it is critical that you keep your glasses on constantly. So why not go with a nice simple -1.00 for both eyes as you're first glasses and leave off the CYL. Doing this I suggest that you just order the one pair only at first. But as soon as you find that your eyes are adjusting to them without any problem then you should go ahead and order a second and third pair using the same frame if possible. The 2nd pair should be -1.75 and the 3rd -2.50. Now I know that you said you are only wanting your eyes to get to around -2.00. but you're eyes aren't going to change to the prescription of the glasses your wearing. So to get to a real -2.00 prescription you may need to go as high as -4.00 glasses because your eyes will only change to about half of what the glasses your wearing are. I hope I didn't confuse you too much. .


oopsI 14 Mar 2017, 11:18

Thank you :)

I don't expect that a need for reading glasses when presbyopia sets in will completely perish, but most moderately myopic people can at least read a little easier, right?

Right now my problem is I don't know the axis, so I'd have to go back and admit I want to order online, I guess.

Where I live we don't usually pay for the exam at the optometrist's, as long as we are there to have glasses fitted. I guess I'll tell them I want a cheep pair I can leave in my car.

I mean -0.5 D in ten months isn't too bad I guess, I'm hoping I can keep this up for a few more years.

Also I've read a lot of the tips. My comfortable reading distance can be as low as 10 centimeters, do you think I can start with -1.25 right away?


Soundmanpt 14 Mar 2017, 10:40

oopsl

Well it at least seems as though your eyes are heading in the right direction. From when you were 13 anyway. College with all that is required of the eyes seems to have an effect on so many. Being 20 you are nearing the age where it could be start to be more difficult to induce myopia. I honestly don't recall ever seeing anyone saying that they had any regrets about inducing myopia. But being myopic may slow down the need for reading glasses but I can't say that it will assure that you won't still need reading help later in life.I suggest that that you go back in this thread and read the advice already provided to others about what you need to do. In short you need to order glasses stronger than you were recently prescribed. Cactus Jack and myself both recommend that when you order glasses it is best to order the same frame but with 3 different prescriptions. That way as you switch for a weaker one to a stronger one no one will notice. In your case I think you should order glasses with -.75 -1.25 and -2.00 lenses and only change the SPH include your CYL and axis as it is in your prescription. When your glasses arrive wear start off by wearing the -.75 glasses from the time you open your eyes each day until you close your eyes that night for bed. Once you're eyes have become completely comfortable wearing those glasses without any problem then switch to the -1.25 glasses and again wear them until everything is sharp and clear and you're completely comfortable wearing them before going to the -2.00 glasses. The most important thing isn't as much about the strength of the glasses but that you wear them every minute of everyday.


oopsI 14 Mar 2017, 09:10

Hey :)

First off I'll explain my situation a little. I'm 20 and I wanted to be myopic for quite a few years. I was prescribed +1 diopter when I was 13 but never really wore these glasses. I didn't really do anything to become myopic, no knowing that that was possible.

After taking a vision test to get my drivers license about two years ago I got myself a pair of glasses, I really started wearing them 11 months ago (both eyes sph: +0.25 cyl: -0.25) because it really helped with headaches and I like the pair I bought. A month ago I went back to my optometrist to have my eyes checked (I didn't study for the exam and it was a few hours after I got up). Now my prescription's sph: -0.25 cyl: -0.5. (Maybe because i started med school last summer and I'm barely outside anymore)

Now do you think I could get true axial myopia up to maybe -2D?

Also I was wondering if there has ever been someone on here that regrets inducing myopia? The thing is I find the idea of not needing reading glasses when I'm older really exciting and I feel like it'd be worth it for me.

Thank you for your help!

P.S. I apologize for any language mistakes in advance, English isn't my first language.


Kostas T 12 Mar 2017, 07:58

Ok guys thanks for your help i ll think about it for a little and i ll start.

Thanks


Soundmanpt 11 Mar 2017, 12:38

Cactus Jack

By all means feel free to enter in anytime you wish.


Cactus Jack 11 Mar 2017, 12:32

Kostas T.

I don't believe I have been a participant in your chats with Soundmanpt and others. You were getting good advice if you decide to follow it. My comments and suggestions are not needed.

C.


Kostas T 11 Mar 2017, 12:01

Cactus jack

I have some -4 glasses. I will start wearing them on


Kostas T 11 Mar 2017, 11:58

First of all i am not a lady! How do you considered that.?Hahahhahahahahhahahahhahah

Kinda no. The optician won't give you the prescription unless its a written piece paper or its something that has the numbers on. For example if you go there and you tell them gim'me some -4 the gonna stare at you... Hahah


Cactus Jack 11 Mar 2017, 09:03

Kenpachi,

I think we need to chat privately. You can contact me privately on the Vision and Spex site or at cactusjack1928@hotmail.com.

C.


Cactus Jack 11 Mar 2017, 08:53

Kenpachi,

Did she give you a prescription?

C.


Kenpachi 11 Mar 2017, 06:19

Cactus Jack

Hello,We discussed my vision and you helped me understand a lot of things,i just took an eye exam and my eyes are really fine she said,The eye doctor,She exactly : said you are little myopic and all humans are myopic but very little you can't even notice it,She said don't stay long hours in front of a computer and look at distant object each 20 minutes in front close objects,Also she tested it with a computer,I was disappointed, and i am in a place that i can't get eyeglasses in stores without an eye test paper, That means i must order it online, which prescription should i start with ? I told you before that i can see fine and clear with my sister's glasses which is -0.75 , -0.50 , should i start with -2.00 I want to be myopic before next December, will make it in time ? also i see with the -0.75 , -0.50 better than without glasses btw.


Soundmanpt 10 Mar 2017, 16:07

Kostas T

Your honesty is appreciated. But you have to understand that there are 3 major factors to induce myopia. The first one is age, your not even 15 yet so that takes care of number one. As you may know once you're past 18 it gets harder to induce myopia. Number 2 is wearing either glasses or contacts completely full time. That means you must wear correction every minute you're eyes are open from morning until you go to bed that same night. I'm sure you feel like you're wearing your glasses long enough each day by having them on for 9 hours, but giving your eyes a 2 hour break defeats everything you have been doing. Number three is wearing stronger glasses than you need and slowly increasing the power of the glasses as your eyes adjust to each prescription. You seem only to want to create a need for glasses that you consider to be a decent prescription but not overly strong. So if you're intention is to end up needing -2.00 glasses you will probably have to wear -4.00 glasses. You're eyes will only be changed by approximately half the value of the glasses you're wearing. No surprise that people think you're more attractive wearing glasses. For many young ladies glasses often times will enhance your looks. This is why glasses have become so popular even as a fashion accessory for so many young ladies. Do you live in a place where you can get glasses without having an actual written doctor's prescription? Don't change the lenses in your glasses until you're eyes are completely comfortable wearing the glasses you now have.


Kostas T 10 Mar 2017, 11:50

Samsamsam

I don't wanna go that far man!


 10 Mar 2017, 11:49

Soundmapt

Your response was full and descriptive.! I have been wearing glasses since elementary school. I had +1,75 hyperopia. The last two years its swapped completely to what already know. I get really good comments on my glasses some people believe that I am more beautiful with them on! Hahha okey I wear them from 8 till I return back home. There is a break for about 2 hours and then again the go on. I wear them for more than 9 hours per day. Anyways I ve noticed that my left eye, which has the -1 on is seeing kinda better than the right with the -0,75. Im looking forward to changing both of the lenses to -1,50 but I am not sure if the right will go on well. I believe it will.!I bought my glasses from a nearby optician shop the frame was free I just I had to pay for the lenses that's all. Again now am gonna pay the lenses.


Soundmanpt 09 Mar 2017, 10:15

Kostas T

So you already have glasses with O.D.-.75 / O.S. -1.00 lenses. That's a perfect prescription to start your eyes wearing. But I get the idea that you aren't wearing your glasses full time? Wearing your glasses part time won't help you with inducing myopia. If you're really serious about wanting to make your eyes more myopic you need to start wearing your glasses from the time you open your eyes in the morning until you close that night for bed. Wearing your glasses for 8 hours but then taking them off for 6 hours isn't going to do anything to your true eyesight. You want your eyes constantly seeing only with prescription lenses in front of them. When you say that outside in the sunshine at times things in the distance is slightly blurry with your glasses on it's possibly because you left off your astigmatism. Even though you only have a small amount of astigmatism it's still enough to cause things at a distance to be fuzzy or slightly out of focus to you. Not a big deal though. When you're tired so are your eyes of course and remember wearing your glasses all day your forcing your eyes to focus constantly and for a few seconds your eyes might loose focus. I think mostly what you're experiencing is your eyes still adjusting to the prescription of your glasses. And the more you wear them faster your eyes are going to fully adjust to them. What your wanting is for your glasses to become so comfortable that you hardly notice that your wearing them and for your eyesight to be be perfect with them and blurry when you take them off.

Just curious where did you get your glasses from? I assume that you have been wearing your glasses to school? Have you gotten some nice comments on your wearing glasses now?


Samsamsam 09 Mar 2017, 07:50

@ Kostas T

If I were you, at 14 yo, I would buy -3 or -4 contact lenses (with good oxygene transparency) and wear them constantly. After 3-4 months switch to -5 (if no problems), then -1 more and after 1 or 2 years degree of myopia will probably be at desired level.


Kostas T 09 Mar 2017, 06:21

I had tried some -1 contacts and i didnt like them at all. I wont take any else. anyways my current glasses are od -0,75 and os -1. Rarely especially outside in the sunlight i see kinda the backroung is 'burnt'. i believe this is a 'consequece' of concave lenses.. when im tired and i wear the glasses the whole day long, for some secs the vision gets blurred and i see better without them.. That must be about the cilliary muscles and accommondation . i dont bother. i dont want high prescriptions some people put contacts and high lenses with the opposite power. its called goc? i dont know. So, you believe its gonna be better if the power of the lenses is equal? If i go to -1,5 on both, the difference for the right eye (previously -0,75) its gonna be kinda tough.. tell me


Soundmanpt 08 Mar 2017, 10:05

Kostas T

Okay I think the confusion is because what you said you were prescribed. So let's leave off the astigmatisms for both eyes. meaning you were prescribed for your left eye O.S. -.25 and for your right eye O.D. -.50. But then you said that you ordered your contacts as left eye O.S. -1.00 and your right eye O.D. as -.75 So that would mean that you were over correcting your left by -.75 and your right eye by -.25. But I think what you meant to say was that you were increasing both eyes by -.50 so you're really wearing a -.75 contact in your left eye and a -1.00 contact in your right eye. Since this apparently is the first time that your wearing corrective lenses you were right in not trying to be too aggressive. You did get glasses in your actual full prescription I see and then you ordered your contacts in the stronger prescriptions. I'm sure your eyes notice the difference between wearing your glasses and wearing your contacts. Are your eyes adjusting to seeing with your contacts pretty well now? I'm not really surprised that you were able to see rather well wearing your cousin's glasses. You have clearly done your homework about vision because you're right that being as young as you are your eyes should be able to wear glasses much stronger than you need very easily. You seem to have been experimenting by trying on other people's glasses. But one thing you do have wrong is thinking that contacts are cheaper than glasses. I'm not sure where you got your contacts from or what you paid for them but you can order glasses on line from zennioptical.com for as cheap as $6.95 and even have a decent selection to choose from but for under $13.00 there are several hundred to choose from. You can even add on an optional AR coating (anti-reflective) which is nice to have on your lenses for $5.00 more. The shipping is only $5.00 and you get your glasses in the mail in less than 2 weeks. When you do start ordering glasses you should include your astigmatism as well. You only have a slight astigmatism in each eye but surprisingly having included will sharpen your eyesight enough to make a difference. You said that you prefer to wear glasses which I assume is the main reason you're wanting to induce myopia is so you can wear glasses with a decent prescription. Do you have a goal in mind that you want to be wearing for glasses which will make you happy? As for my opinion I think that wearing -1.00 / -.75 for your first prescription is a good starting point for you. You're getting your eyes used to seeing with a prescription. I'm sure that things are noticeably more blurry now at the end of the day when you take off your contacts than they were before you started wearing contacts. But for now while you're sleeping your natural eyesight returns and the blur is gone when you wake up. That is normal but the more you wear your contacts the longer the blur will remain. Once your eyes are seeing everything perfectly wearing your lenses that is when you need to be placing your order either for contacts or glasses. And as for your next contacts if that is what you decide to continue wearing I would only order -1.50 lenses for both eyes. You probably should try and bring your better eye up to the same prescription as your weaker eye. Also that way you can order less contacts as well. If you decide to get glasses then you should include your astigmatisms as well so both eyes would be -1.50 -.25 with the 2 different axis's. Do you have any other questions?


gerry 08 Mar 2017, 07:27

Ladies wearing high plus glasses i find beautiful, sexy and very loyal as friends and in relationships I once dated a lady with plus 11 glasses she was so beautiful and loyal. Sadly I move away and we lost touch. I would always date a lady with high magnification glasses because of there wonderful personal attributes. Have fun ladies take good care martin,xx


Kostas T 08 Mar 2017, 07:22

i've tried a contact lenses pair and i thought it will be cheaper for me to but montlhy disposable contacts. I prefer glasses though...! iam 14,5 years old and i believe iam from the lucky ones who can accommondate in any prescription!hahha my cousin has -4 and i could handle it pretty well! anyways, i took these -1 and -0,75 because i thought i should equally raise up the sphere. so an -0,5 was added in both of them resulting of the known prescription. that was the reason why i didnt take the -1ones... Whats your opinion on that? What should it be the next sphere?


Soundmanpt 07 Mar 2017, 17:15

Kostas T

I assume that you recently had your eye's examined and the result of your eye exam indicates that you only have a very slight need for glasses if at all. You said that you understand what the numbers of your prescription mean so I won't bother going over that. But I do have several questions for you if you don't mind. First of all what is your age? That is a critical part if you intend on inducing myopia. Also since your SPH is -.25 in your left eye and -.50 in your right eye why did you order lenses of -1.00 for your left eye and only -.75 for your right eye? You actually should have simply ordered the same -1.00 for both eyes. Even better if you were ordering contacts and not glasses since you could get by with only one box for both eyes. If you're getting contacts I agree you don't need the astigmatism correction enough you make much of a difference to your vision. Is there a reason you're planning on wearing contacts instead of glasses?


Kostas T 07 Mar 2017, 12:33

I hit the roof with that bug..hahah i ll try the next part tomorrow


Kostas T 07 Mar 2017, 12:31

Part 3

( i dont like astigmatism hahaha)


Kostas T 07 Mar 2017, 12:29

Its not letting me post part 3 where the main question was... A blank page is shown after hitting submit


Kostas T 07 Mar 2017, 12:25

Part 2

After one month i bought the frame with that lenses i was not that convinced with myopia vision quality so i ordered my optician some OS -1 and OD -0,75 lenses. I thought i ought not to use any cylindrical correction as its not recommended. Although, i didnt like the cylinder that i had on my prescription.

I've been wearing that specs for about 2 months. I would like to induce my myopia


Kostas T 07 Mar 2017, 12:24

Part 1

Hi guys

I was prescribed the following OS -0,25 -0,25X70 OD -0,5 -0,25X50.

I now exactly what these numbers mean. I've read many articles and information about optics and ophthalmology (mostly from Tim Root Opthobook.com) I look forward to becoming an ophthalmologist specified in paediatrics. Currently, i am running a project with some presentations to my class about refractive errors with an on-stand experiment taking place!


Kostas T 07 Mar 2017, 12:23

Oh finally it posted yeah! i ll give my text in parts i doesnt allow me put in a row....


Kostas T 07 Mar 2017, 12:22

Hi guys

I was prescribed the following OS -0,25 -0,25X70 OD -0,5 -0,25X50.

I now exactly what these numbers mean.

After one month i bought the frame with that lenses i was not that convinced with myopia vision quality so i ordered my optician some OS -1 and OD -0,75 lenses. I thought i ought not to use any cylindrical correction as its not recommended.

Shall i try i higher lenses power or continue with a graduated increase in power?

Thanks for your time


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 07 Mar 2017, 10:57


Cactus Jack 02 Mar 2017, 23:56

That Guy,

I like working with young people who want to learn and are willing to work. I have done a lot of industrial teaching. In the industrial world, the students are adults, at least in spirit, and WANT to be there and WANT to learn. It is a joyful occasion for both the students and me when I see the "light come on" as UNDERSTANDING dawns. By the way, I don't encourage "rote" learning. With rote learning, you typically wind up knowing how to solve one or two typical problems, but if you have understanding, you can analyze and solve almost any problem that comes along.

I would like to encourage you to learn as much as you can about how vision works and the math and physics of what we are doing. Here is a link to a paper entitled "The Eye". You might find it interesting.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/scenario/labman3/eye.htm

Please let me know what you think.

C.


That Guy 02 Mar 2017, 10:29

Cactus Jack,

Oh and might I add coolest 79 year old ever, you can use a coputer and you seem to care about the impacts of missonformation. Most people I know your age think anyone younger then them is wrong by default.


That Guy 02 Mar 2017, 10:24

Cactus Jack,

My best subjects are chemistry, physics, informatics and english language which is basicly hyperanaylising sentances and geeking out with the teacher over dead poet socity. ya know the kind of stuff someone with myopia envy would do :p


Cactus Jack 02 Mar 2017, 10:15

That Guy,

Frequently, but I only get involved in technical discussions and pretty much stick to those. I have done a lot of industrial teaching and my answers tend to be a bit long because I want t foster UNDERSTANDING, rather than just parroted responses.

I am semi-retired, but stay pretty busy. I am 79. I am NOT an Eye Care Professional (ECP), my background is Electronics and Computers. I learned about vision and optics because of unsatisfactory answers I was getting from ECPs. I took Physics in high school and university, but most of what I have learned about vision and optics is thru self study and research.

May I ask your interests and subjects you like best in school?

BTW, it is 11:15 AM, Thursday, in Houston

C.


That Guy 02 Mar 2017, 09:54

Cactus Jack,

Thanks for your help, Ill start with -1.0

are you on here often? Just you are very helpfull and think it would be good to be able to ask you more questions along the way.


Cactus Jack 02 Mar 2017, 09:49

That Guy,

Don't start with -2.50, it would be too much do deal with initially. You need to strengthen your Ciliary Muscles. You do that by starting with a Sphere correction of -1.00 in both eyes. When you get comfortable with those for all your activities including reading with them, increase to -2.00. It may take a month to be able to go from -1.00 to -2.00. You might consider order both at the same time with the same frame. Later, you might want to try some -3.00s. When you get pretty used to the -1.00 glasses and are thinking of transitioning to the -2.00s you might want to consider an eye exam to get a better measure of your progress. We need to talk about that before you do it.

In some ways, it is like going to the gym. You don't start muscle training with a heavy weight, it is better to start with a light weight an do many repetitions.

Your Ciliary Muscles are the strongest muscles in your body for their very tiny size. The get a lot of exercise as you change focus. The first step in Inducing Myopia is to strengthen those muscles. Wearing progressively stronger glasses will do that.

I am guessing that it will take about 6 months of wearing progressively stronger glasses to yield significant results. It is possible that because of the myopia in your family, it may happen more quickly, but you need to get started as soon as possible. You are approaching the age where your genes will stop the development of any Axial Myopia. You can develop Pseudo Myopia until Presbyopia puts a stop to that, usually in your mid 30s to early 40s.

C.


That Guy 02 Mar 2017, 09:09

Cactus Jack,

Melbourne would be my timezone. 3am right now :p.

I found an Australian based website to get glasses simply because the shipping is faster.

So -2.5 will (if it works) give me around what level sight?

also Im ready to wear them for a long time but could I get an estimate? Just based on your best quest as I rilse it will differ from person to person.

Will it be hard to function with these glasses? or at least hideable? what should I expect?


Cactus Jack 02 Mar 2017, 05:39

That Guy,

Not a problem, I was just looking to possible symptoms to report if you go for an eye exam to give you a better chance of getting a prescription for glasses. I am considering the possibility that your actual prescription may be so low that the examiner may not prescribe glasses.

We don't really care, but you may need a reason to justify wearing glasses to your parents. If you have a credit card and a mailing address you can order glasses online from Zenni Optical. You might check out their website.

www.zennioptical.com

They have single vision glasses for as low as US$6.95. The frame is the controlling factor until you get into very high prescriptions. Most of the frames are a bit higher than that, but they are there, just a little hard to find. If you decide to pursue this, you need to pick a frame that you like and be able to order several pairs of glasses using the same frame, but increasing Sphere prescriptions. Once people are used to seeing you wearing glasses, you can slowly increase the Sphere prescription IF you don't change the frame style and few people will even notice. The ONLY option you need is perhaps the low cost Anti-Relective coating (A/R). You only need the standard lens material with an Index of Refraction around 1.50. You don't need any of the high index lenses. Your lenses won't be very thick anyway.

May I ask where you live (city) in Australia? I live in Houston, Texas. Only asking to determine the time difference.

C.


 02 Mar 2017, 00:32

Cactus Jack,

Sorry :p, I dont curently drive and honestly with public transport in the city I dont think ill really ever need to. That said I do plan on learning to drive to go on road trips with friends and incase I ever leave the city.


Cactus Jack 02 Mar 2017, 00:25

That Guy,

You have to wear glasses that are stronger than your final goal. Recall the equations

100 cm / 200 cm = 0.50.

To achieve that level you probably need to wear -2.50 glasses for some period of time. Inducing Myopia does not happen fast.

There are actually two types of Myopia. Axial or True Myopia is caused by excessive eyeball growth that takes a while to occur. It is "permanent" because once your eyeballs have grown a bit too long (approximately 0.3 mm per diopter) they don't shrink. Pseudo Myopia is caused by your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses not fully relaxing. This happens very quickly, but is considered Temporary, but Temporary can be a long time if you continue to wear over correction.

At your age and if your genes will allow it, you may be able to Induce some Axial Myopia, but the first step is to Induce as much Pseudo Myopia as you can. You may be surprised at how much overcorrection you can manage, but it takes dedication and some effort on your part.

One thing you may discover is that you really like the crisp, vivid vision, being over corrected provides.

You did not answer my 2nd question about Driving. The questions are not meant to be nosy. Your answers help guide me to make applicable suggestions to help you achieve your goals.

C.


That Guy 01 Mar 2017, 23:37

Cactus Jack,

I would like to roughly double that, so that I would go fuzzy after about 1.5 to 2 meters.


Cactus Jack 01 Mar 2017, 23:02

That Guy,

I forgot to say that your approximate glasses prescription would be:

Right Eye (OD) Sphere -0.25

Left Eye (OS) Sphere -0.25

You may have some Astigmatism which would be corrected by Cylinder and Axis in your glasses, but the simple test cannot detect it separately. That takes an Eye Exam.

For Inducing Myopia, you would Increase the Sphere (never the Cylinder or Axis) prescription by -1.00 or -2.00 diopters, initially and then keep increasing it as you become accustomed to wearing the stronger prescription. There are some "tricks" for doing this so that the increases are not particularly noticeable to others. We can help you with those.

C.


Cactus Jack 01 Mar 2017, 22:55

That Guy,

Very readable, but just getting the faintest fuzz you can detect on the edges of the letters.

If you had "normal" vision, it should have been about 100 cm (1 meter). I forgot to ask if you had any Physics or Math in school, but all you need is some simple Math to understand the basics of Optics.

The most fundamental equation in Optics is

Focal Distance = 100 cm / Lens Power in Diopters

or its re-arrangement

Lens Power = 100 cm / Focal Distance

100 / 86 = 1.16 and 100 / 79 = 1.26

Based on those numbers, you are just a little bit Myopic or Nearsighted or Shortsighted, different names for the same thing.

Corrective lenses have the reverse sign of your actual Refractive Error. Based on these numbers, your Refractive error is about +0.25 in each eye.

100 cm / 0.25 = 400 cm or 4 meters

What that means in practical terms is, that you do not see clearly beyond 4 meters.

Vision actually occurs in the brain, your eyes are merely biological cameras. You brain has amazing image processing capabilities and it can correct vision to some extent IF your brain know what something is supposed to look like.

There can be a secondary factor in seeing clearly in bright light conditions. Your Pupils act like the Iris in a professional camera lens. If the Pupil or Iris opening is small, as in bright light, the "Depth of Field" or "Range of Useful Focus" increases and that helps you focus. In dim light and at night your Pupils open up and you may notice that distant signs are hard to read. Stars in the night sky may not be pinpoints of light or even invisible if they are not exceptionally bright.

You may find yourself squinting to see distant things like Menu Boards clearly.

The ideal thing would be to get an Eye Exam to find out your actual prescription, but we have almost enough information to order some glasses online. All you need to order online is a credit card, a prescription (doesn't have to be an official one) and your Pupillary Distance (PD). We can tell you how to measure your PD.

You will also need to have some place for the glasses to be sent.

Some more questions:

1. What would you like to do? Don't do anything until we chat some more.

2. Do you drive?

If there is Myopia in your family, it will be easier for them to understand that you need an eye exam, but you need to be careful about the symptoms of needing one.

C.


That Guy 01 Mar 2017, 21:49

Cactus Jack,

Using +1 OTC glasses (sorry about the strength but they were free) I got 86cm in the right eye and 79cm in the left.

How fuzzy were the words supposed to be? You said edge of the letters so I assumed the words were still ment to be readable.


Cactus Jack 01 Mar 2017, 20:25

That Guy,

I would like to suggest that you get an eye exam, but before you do, I suggest you do the following "Home Refraction Test".

HOME REFRACTION TEST

The purpose of this test to get an idea of a personí refractive error. It works best for a person who is mildly Myopic or Hyperopic. It does not test for Astigmatism, which can affect the results. It uses the most fundamental laws of Optics as codified by Sir Isaac Newton, over 300 years ago.

1. You will probably need some Over-the-Counter ()TC) +1.50 or + 1.75 reading glasses. Other known power reading glasses can be used, but they SHOULD NOT have any Astigmatism (Cylinder) correction.

The purpose of the Reading Glasses is to cause Artificial ďOpticalĒ Myopia that brings the relaxed ďDistanceĒ focus into a useful range of less than an Armís Length range of 50 to 65 cm (20 to 25 inches). You will see why in a moment.

2. A book or newspaper (the Target) with normal sized print.

3. A tape measure calibrated in cm, (preferable) or inches.

The test is done with each eye individually while wearing the OTC Reading Glasses in there morning whee your are well rested and have not done much close work. If you wear glasses for distance vision you should wear the OTC glasses OVER your regular glasses.

Test Procedure starting with the Right Eye.:

Step 1. In good but not BRIGHT light hold the Target close enough so that the text is very legible.

Step 2. Move the Target away from your eyes until the text just begins to be fuzzy around the edges of the letters.

Step 3. Measure the distance from your eyes to the Target and make note of the distance.

Step 4. Repeat Step 2 and 3, 3 times and average the distance.

Step 5. Repeat the test with your Left Eye..

Let me know the distances you obtained and the test conditions, including the power of the OTC glasses. I will do some calculations and report back to you. Typically, with suggestions of what you should tell the Eye Care Professional prior to an exam.

I will also post "HOW TO STUDY FOR AN EYE EXAM" if I suggest an Eye Exam is appropriate.

C.


Soundmanpt 01 Mar 2017, 15:37

Kiki057

Old age isn't a good thing. I am really sorry about that. I seem to be using the excuse more and more with my friends "another senior moment"

As long as your eyes are comfortable wearing even stronger glasses that's fine to do but sadly for you I think you're age is against you, once your past 20 it's nearly impossible to induce much myopia no matter how strong you go. Your eyes are simply refusing to be changed. But ordering glasses on line is cheap and getting new glasses should at least get you some nice complements.


Kiki057 01 Mar 2017, 14:28

Soundmanpt,

I posted about my exam on 2/16 and you responded the following day, lol. I may just order another pair of glasses that are slightly stronger and wait until next year for another exam.


That Guy 01 Mar 2017, 13:23

Cactus Jack,

1.No

2.Yes but not since I was 6.

3.Australia

I do have a massive family history of myopia though also my left eye tends to do slightly worse then my right in eye tests.


Cactus Jack 01 Mar 2017, 09:42

That Guy,

At 17, you probably can Induce some Myopia. A few questions:

1. Do you presently wear any vision correction?

2. If not, have you ever had an eye exam?

3. Where do you live?

The starting point for inducing Myopia is your having an idea of any current refractive error.

C.


That Guy 01 Mar 2017, 08:15

Hey sorry if I seem lazy but there's just so many posts.

Im 17 how could I induce myopia?

Thanks.


antonio 28 Feb 2017, 23:59

Kiki057,

if you want to wear a real pair of glasses for driving at night or driving in General clearing up your starting far fogs just order an ordinary -0.5 pair and not cylindrical ones. I.m pretty sure your eyes liked the feeling of being supported by -0.5 spherical , but not only in one axis as cylindrical lenses do for your friend.

Best regards and much fun becoming slowly a real gwg,

Antonio


Soundmanpt 28 Feb 2017, 14:13

Kiki057

Okay Cactus Jack explained to you why an optometrists will often ignore an astigmatism if it is less than -.25 of contacts. If it is -.50 or more then the optometrists will often add an extra -.25 to the SPH for contacts. If the astigmatism is over -.50 then the optometrists will prescribe toric lenses which like Cactus jack stated is quite a good bit more expensive. And of course for glasses the optometrists will of course include the full prescription including the CYL and axis. Now you mentioned trying on a friend's glasses which contained -.50 CYL and 165 axis.in both eyes. Now just trying her glasses on for several minutes you're eyes probably weren't effected by the astigmatism correction, but if you were to wear her glasses for a longer time you most likely would have started to feel a headache coming on. At first your eyes would be able to ignore the astigmatisms in her glasses but as your eyes adjusted to her glasses then you would start to notice it in a bad way. Adding CYL to your glasses isn't going to help in your effort to induce myopia.

You didn't post the outcome of your eye exam form the other day? I know you said that 3 years ago when you had your eyes examined you were +.75 / +.50. But that was before you started wearing -4.00 glasses and contacts.


Cactus Jack 27 Feb 2017, 17:35

Kiki057,

They make Toric contact lenses for Astigmatism, but they are expensive, compared to sphere only CLs, and hard to fit. They also can move around on the Cornea which makes vision variable. Often, with low levels of astigmatism they fit a Sphere only contact lens. The rule is the Sphere Only contact should have 1/2 the Cylinder algebraically added to the Sphere. That means that the Sphere Only contact is a compromise, but if the Cylinder is not too high, it works acceptably well.

C.


Kiki057 27 Feb 2017, 16:23

I have a question about possibly order glasses from Zenni and I know that I have posted on this thread before so hopefully it's ok. If someone is given a glasses prescription with astigmatism why is it not reflected on the the prescription for contacts? If it's just slight correction for astigmatism maybe it's not needed for contacts? Basically I tried my friend's glasses on and her astigmatism is

OD Cylinder -50, Axis 165

OS Cylinder -50, Axis 165

Not sure if that helps but I might order a pair of glasses with the astigmatism correction in so I wanted a few opinions from my fellow glasses lovers


antonio 17 Feb 2017, 10:35

Hi Kiki,

AS you describe it, it's clear to me , you might be already mildly shortsighted.

I guess sooner vor later you will get a real minus prescription you really need for driving especially at night.

Do you want that?

Are you female, so you integrate your glasses into your Outfit as a nice accessoire when you wear them?

How do your friends react when you wear glasses as strong AS -4 and you remove them for driving ? :-)

Best regards and god luck, antonio-o

Hope to See you in lenschat.com


Soundmanpt 17 Feb 2017, 10:08

Kiki057

I know that you're disappointed that you didn't come away with an actual prescription for minus glasses but like you say it does appear that wearing glasses and contacts has at least resulted in a small change. And remember it's not like the doctor is taking your glasses and contacts away from you. So as long as you enjoy wearing your glasses and you apparently have good vision wearing them then just continue wearing your glasses just as you have been. When you first take off your glasses how long does it take before you're natural eyesight returns to you? I'm sure when you first take your glasses off things are very blurry so you know that when you're wearing your glasses your eyes are using the prescription of your glasses to see clearly. So the main difference is that your eyes don't remain constantly blurry without your glasses and that of course is what you would like to start happening.


Kiki057 16 Feb 2017, 16:56

Well that was the biggest let down ever!!! The eye doctor says my eyes are perfect but I think I'm going to get a 2nd opinion cuz when I just use one eye at time, especially at night it's pretty blurry. The last time I had my eyes tested 3 years ago I was given trial contacts for I believe +.75 and +.50 so maybe I really am going in the right direction?


antonio 15 Feb 2017, 14:54

Sorry at lenschat.com


antonio 15 Feb 2017, 14:53

Hi Kiki

Will you go there without wearing any glasses?

I guess you could get your first real prescription out of it for driving. Good luck. Best regards Antonio. If you like, discuss with us in eyescene.net


Kiki057 15 Feb 2017, 14:42

I go tomorrow after work. I am excited and nervous!


Soundmanpt 13 Feb 2017, 12:50

Kiki057

Have you gone for your eye exam yet?


Cactus Jack 13 Feb 2017, 08:26

kenpachi,

One thing I forgot to mention in "How to Study" is the Red/Green test.

Near the end of the exam, you may (it is optional) be shown a chart where half the chart has a Red filter and the other half, a Green filter. This is a final check of your Sphere correction. Here is the rule: If the letters on the Red side are clearer than the letters on the Green side, you need MORE minus. If the letters on the Green side are clearer you need LESS minus.

The test is based on the principle of Optical Physics that Red light and Green light have different focus points because of their different wavelengths. The test has nothing to do with color perception and the test works even for people who are color blind.

If you do not have color perception problems and you are offered the test, you can usually get another -0.25 in your prescription by saying that the Red is clearer, but don't push it too far beyond, "equally clear". One step is generally OK, but two steps is the absolute maximum.

If you can schedule the exam late in the day, try to read a lot before the exam and in the waiting room.

C.


Cactus Jack 13 Feb 2017, 07:44

kenpachi,

Not everything, but perhaps enough to get an accurate exam. Have you decided if you will wear your sisters glasses or what visual complaints you will report? Myopia typically causes:

Inability to read see the board or screen at the front of the lecture hall or classroom.

Poor low light or night vision.

Blurry distant signs.

Difficulty reading menu boards.

Can't see distant things as well as your friends can.

Myopia typically does NOT cause:

Headaches when reading.

Close focusing problems.

Problems reading small text on phones or tablets.

Unless there is significant Astigmatism present.

C.


kenpachi 13 Feb 2017, 01:40

Thank you so much.now i understand everything about the eye exam. I will go next saturday.and i will tell you the results.


Cactus Jack 12 Feb 2017, 17:24

kenpachi,

Here it is.

HOW TO STUDY FOR AN EYE EXAM

An eye exam is not like an exam that you might take in school and there is really no way to study for it. However, you can prepare for it and learn about your role in the exam. The best eye exams are a team effort between you and the Examiner. Part of the preparation is to learn what to expect, particularly if this is your first eye exam.

One important thing you need to keep in mind is that the Examiner has no way to experience what you are seeing. He/she has to depend on your answers to questions.

There are two parts to an eye exam. The first part is the Objective part. This part consists of:

1. Taking a Visual History where you describe your vision and the kinds of problems you are having.

2. Checking the internal pressure in your eyes for symptoms of Glaucoma. This is one of the very few parts of an eye exam that is even mildly uncomfortable and the discomfort only lasts for a few seconds. There are two basic ways to do the pressure test.

A. Using a special instrument to lightly touch your Cornea. Not to worry here. Before doing this type of test a drop of mild anesthetic will make sure you donít even feel it.

B. There is a new type instrument that uses a puff of air directed against your cornea. No anesthetic is required, but the puff will startle you. The puff of air is harmless and there are huge benefits. Detecting Glaucoma early, before it can do damage can save your eyesight.

3. The examiner will also get a preliminary estimate of your refractive error by using an Auto-Refractor or manually by using a small hand held instrument called an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope.

The Auto-Refractor is a relatively new instrument that was developed in conjunction with NASA to check Astronauts vision in space. You look into the machine with each eye individually where you will see a scene or a pattern. The machine will adjust its internal lenses to focus the image you see on your retina. The Auto-Refractor only takes a few seconds for each eye and it then prints out your estimated prescription.

Some Examiners prefer to use manual methods that have been used for many years. Using an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope and a Trial Lens set or a Phoropter (a fancy machine with a built in lens set), the Examiner will look into your eyes and select the lenses that allow him to see your retina, most clearly.

The object of this part of the exam is to get a starting place for the Subjective part of the exam where you have to describe what you see.

Typically the Subjective part of the exam starts with the Right Eye shutter open and the Left Eye shutter closed.

Step 1 is typically determining the cylinder and axis of any Astigmatism correction you need. This is actually the hardest part of the exam because you will be asked to judge relative blurriness of two images rather than the sharpness of an image.

You will be shown a line of text and a supplemental lens will be rotated into place. This lens is a cylinder lens that is mounted on a 45 degree pivot and can be flopped back an forth to bracket a trial axis or orientation of the long axis of the cylinder lens. The thing that is confusing about this test is that the straight lines (strokes) of the letters will alternate in clarity as the lens is flipped back and forth depending on their direction. I suggest concentrating on an ďOĒ if possible. Depending on your answers, the examiner will adjust the axis knob unit the image you see is equally blurry with the supplemental lens 45 degrees each side of the selected axis.

At this point the Examiner will probably swing the supplemental lens out of the way and may change the cylinder power while asking you which lens in clearer.

For your first exam, you may be uncomfortable asking the Examiner to let you fine tune the Cylinder Axis, but I have found that most will appreciate your wanting to actively participate. The way that works is that he will place your hand on the Axis control knob. This time, you move it back and forth a few degrees looking for the sharpest image. It is a bit like ďFine TuningĒ an old Analog TV set or moving the tuning knob on an analog AM radio for the best signal.

The next step is determining the Sphere correction. This is an easy part of the exam because all you have to do is pick the sharpest image, but there is a tricky part. Your auto-focus mechanism will try to help, if it gets a chance. The Examiner has a couple of ways to minimize the action of your ciliary muscles and crystalline lenses.

The Examiner can, in effect, sneak up on your Sphere prescription or he can use drops to Dilate your eyes. Lets talk about sneaking up on your prescription first. There are actually 4 lenses in your eyeís lens system. All of them are PLUS lenses and the total power is about +56 to +60 diopters. The only variable focus lens is the crystalline lens whose PLUS power is controlled by your ciliary muscles. For distance, your Crystalline lens is fully relaxed and has somewhere around +15 diopters. When you focus to read, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze the Crystalline lens to increase its PLUS power by the amount necessary to focus which depends on the distance to the object.

This will take a little thought to get your mind around, but if you are nearsighted, your lens system has too much PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your retina and you need MINUS lenses to neutralize some of that excess PLUS power. You ONLY have the ability to increase the PLUS power of your lens system. You have NO ability to reduce the PLUS power of your Crystalline lenses more that fully relaxed.

To try to keep your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses from getting in the act, the examiner will start with NOT ENOUGH MINUS or TOO MUCH PLUS (same thing) and gradually increase the MINUS one or two steps at a time, while reducing the size of the line you are asked to read. He will not tell you what power lens or what line you are looking at. Eventually, he will reach the 20/20 line and a lens power that lets you read it with no mistakes.

He will then follow the same procedure with your Left Eye.

When he has completed both eyes, he will open the shutters and you may see two images. This part of the test is to check your muscle balance using some prisms. He will probably ask you to tell him when the two images are aligned horizontally and then vertically. While the images are separated, you have an important check to make. Compare the sharpness of the two images. If they are not equally sharp, be sure and tell the Examiner which image is clearer. If there is a difference, he will likely reduce the sharpness of the clearest image until they match. The important thing at this point is that they match. That lack of sharpness will be corrected in the next phase with both eyes working together.

Next he will fuse the images so both eyes are working together and repeat the Sphere procedure by gradually increasing the MINUS or decreasing the PLUS until you see the smallest line of letters very clearly.

That pretty much completes the exam except for checking your near vision with a small chart about 14 to 16 inches from you.

Many people, who wear glasses, actually look forward to eye exams. Once you have become accustomed to having very good vision, you will probably find anything less, unacceptable. Many times, after the exam, it will be suggested that you get another exam some time in the future. Note that I used the word ďsuggestedĒ. it is NOT a Command. If your detect a problem or if your vision seems uncomfortable, please donít wait until the ďsuggestedĒ date to seek an appointment to get your vision checked.

Let me know if you don't understand anything.

C.


kenpachi 12 Feb 2017, 14:43

Cactus Jack

Where can i find your article "How to study for an eye exam "?


kenpachi 12 Feb 2017, 14:36

Cactus Jack

My vision fits perfectly with my sister's old glasses. I will get an eye exam soon and I will tell you the results. I will tell the examiner that i have trouble reading road signs and seeing the white board in school.And i will find the glasses -1.75 .-1.50 on the websites you provided me last night .


Cactus Jack 12 Feb 2017, 13:45

kenpachi,

If you get an eye exam, I suggest you read "How to Study for an Eye Exam" which I wrote a few years ago.

C.


Cactus Jack 12 Feb 2017, 13:42

kenpachi,

Both tests show that you are a bit myopic. The second post with the +2.00 glasses revealed the following:

Right Eye (OD) 100/39 = +2.56

Left Eye (OS) 100/37 = +2.70

If you had no Myopia, the fuzziness would have occurred at 50 cm 100/50 = +2.00. Because the fuzziness occurred at 39 ad 37 cm, it means that your eyes were supplying additional PLUS, which is what happens in Myopia. If you had an eye exam, the prescription would probably have been pretty close to:

OD Sphere -0.50

OS Sphere -0.75

The problem with the test is that it cannot reveal if you have any Astigmatism.

There are some online tests for Astigmatism, but all they can tell you is that you have some or not, but they can't give you any idea of the actual values. Astigmatism is corrected by Cylinder and Axis numbers in the prescription. You have to have an eye exam to get those numbers.

One of the most important principles of Inducing Myopia is that you ONLY increase the Sphere and NEVER modify the Cylinder and Axis numbers from your actual prescription. Also, you ALWAYS increase both eyes by the same amount.

It would be best if you started with an eye exam, but we have enough information for you to get started.

I suggest you order some glasses with this prescription.

OD Sphere -1.50

OS Sphere -1.75

An increase of -1.00 in each eye.

When you get comfortable with those, you can order:

OD Sphere -2.50

OS Sphere -2.75

If you decide to get an eye exam, either do not wear any glasses or if not too obvious, you can wear your sisters old glasses. You need to explain to the examiner that you are having trouble seeing the board in class and have been wearing your sisters glasses because they help. If you get a prescription, don't get it filled, if you can avoid it, and let me know what it is.

C.


kenpachi 12 Feb 2017, 07:50

Cactus Jack

I did another test which i think we should count on it because i used my calculus book. The test I did before i wasn't very accurate and the book's text wasn't small like the calculus book.the results is :

39 cm right eye . 37 cm left eye .

With +2.00 power lense . I did it 4 times and the results were the same.


kenpachi 12 Feb 2017, 02:09

Cactus Jack

Hello,I did the test with a 2.00+ power lenses.The text became fuzzy when the distance was 45 cm right eye . 43 cm left eye. The text wasn't too small nor too big . The P letter was 5 mm . And my mother language is arabic.


Cactus Jack 11 Feb 2017, 18:35

kenpachi,

The second formula should be:

100cm/ focal distance = lens power in diopters

BTW, I am not an Eye Care Professional (ECP). My background is Electronic Engineering and Computers. I learned basic optics in Physics and learned about vision on my own, trying to understand my own vision problems.

C.


Cactus Jack 11 Feb 2017, 18:31

kenpachi,

Your English is fine.

It would be OK to do the test now and then do it again in the morning to see if there is any difference.

The formula for focal distance was codified by Sir Isaac Newton about 300 years ago. it is:

100 cm/lens power in diopters = focal distance

or

100cm ' focal distance = lens power in diopters.

The +1.50 or +1.75 reading glasses will make the focal distance about right for easy measurement. If the glasses are too strong, the text will get fuzzy much closer to your eyes and smaller distance errors will make a big difference in the accuracy of the results. It is OK to do the test with any reasonable power reading glasses, but please let me know the power or the prescription if possible.

Hopefully the reading glasses DO NOT have Cylinder correction. It will affect the results.

What language is spoken in Iraq?

C.


kenpachi 11 Feb 2017, 16:29

By without perception i meant without going to the eye doctor .


kenpachi 11 Feb 2017, 16:27

Cactus Jack

I have a high degree at maths and physics also i am going

electrical engineering ,I live in Iraq,Baghdad,and the last time i did an eye test was 2 years ago and it was 0.00, yes i can order but it will take too long,can i buy them from drug stores without a perception?also there is a reading glasses in our house.Can i do the eye test now ? or tomorrow when i wake up in the morning ? because i did so much close work for today. I will ask my parents about what power the reading glasses is, and excuse me I am not good at English.


Cactus Jack 11 Feb 2017, 16:09

kenpachi,

I see that Soundmanpt has also responded. We work together a lot, but have different styles. Our objectives are the same.

C.


Cactus Jack 11 Feb 2017, 16:06

kenpachi,

You have the right idea, but you need to be much more aggressive. You need to get higher and wear them all the time. The more close work you are doing the better.

The ideal place to start is with your actual prescription (refractive error). Even if you do not presently wear glasses or if your refractive error is 0.00, we need to know what it is, as a starting place. More about that later.

There are actually two types of Myopia. Axial or True Myopia, which is considered permanent, is caused by a mismatch between the total PLUS power of the eye's lens system and the length of the eyeball. The distance from the back of the Crystalline Lens to your Retina. The eyeballs of people with Axial Myopia, grew a bit longer than they should have by about 0.3 mm per diopter. Genes play the biggest role in Myopia and the visual environment plays a secondary role. Pseudo or False Myopia is considered temporary, but sometimes temporary can be a long time. It is caused by the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses, your auto-focus system, having trouble fully relaxing after focusing close for a long time.

The idea behind Inducing Myopia is that you force your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses to focus close as much and as long as possible by wearing glasses or contacts that have much more MINUS than you actually need. At 18, you have significant accommodation range, but your Ciliary Muscles may not be strong enough to be able use it all. When you were born, your clear protein of your Crystalline Lenses had the consistency of freshly made gelatin dessert. As you get older the protein gradually becomes stiffer and at some point you will need external focusing help, usually around 40, but not always. The condition is called Presbyopia (old eyes) and it can occur at any age. People who are farsighted are particularly vulnerable. That is why you sometimes see teens with bifocals to be able to read text on their smartphone.

Initially, you can pretty easily Induce some Pseudo Myopia and if you are lucky and are not too old and your genes will permit it, some of that Pseudo Myopia will turn into Axial Myopia.

I have a few questions and a simple test you can do to check for any Sphere refractive error. Unfortunately, there is no simple Astigmatism test you can do at home.

1. What is your occupation?

2. If you are still in school, what grade or level and the highest math or physics you have studied? That helps me determine how technical I can get in my explanations.

3. Where do you live? Country and city size over time you may need to see different Eye Care Professionals (ECPs) for progress checks.

4. Can you order and confidentially receive packages? With stronger and stronger glasses?

We will tell you what you need to order and how to do it once we have figured out where you are. Also, we will tell you what to say when you get an exam.

Here is the simple refractive test. You will need a pair of +1.50 or +1.75 Over the counter (OTC) reading glasses, a tape measure, and a book or newspaper. The reading glasses are to create artificial Myopia and move your focus distance into an easily measured range.

Pick a time when you are well rested and have not been doing any close work. You will do one eye at a time. In good, but not BRIGHT light, while wearing the OTC glasses, hold the book or paper where the small text is clear and easily readable.

1. Gradually move the book or paper away from your face until the edges of the text letters just becomes a bit fuzzy around the individual letters. Measure that distance an make a note of it.

2. Do Step 1, 3 times and average the distance.

3. Do steps 1 and 2 for the other eye.

4. Tell me the distance for each eye

5. Tell me the results and what power glasses you were using.

I will calculate your refractive error and suggest a plan.

Please do not buy anything other than the OTC glasses.

I suggest you also check out the Zenni Optical web site. They offer inexpensive, high quality glasses for a low as US$6.95. The frame and lens selection control the cost. Some glasses you will only wear for a month or so before changing to a stronger prescription. The trick when changing prescriptions is to use the same frame style. Few people notice prescription changes, but they do notice frame changes.

Also, download and read this article about the eyes and how they work. It will help your understanding. http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/scenario/labman3/eye.htm

C.


kenpachi 11 Feb 2017, 15:53

Thank you for helping me, i will order both of them and i will do as you said.


kenpachi 11 Feb 2017, 15:53

Thank you for helping me, i will order both of them and i will do as you said.


Soundmanpt 11 Feb 2017, 15:27

Kenpachi

Your sister's old glasses are probably a little weaker than you want to be wearing. You're young and your eyes should be more than able to tolerate a little bit stronger glasses without any problem. I would suggest that you go on line to someplace such as "zennioptical.com" or "eyebuydirect.com" and order at least 2 pairs of glasses using the exact same frame number for both. Get one with -1.00 lenses and the other with -1.75 lenses. Once they arrive start off by wearing the -1.00 glasses completely full time, not just for certain things but everything. If you want to have any hope of ever needing -5.00 glasses you need to put on those -1.00 glasses as soon soon as you open your eyes each day and not tale them off again until you're going to bed that night. After your eye have completely gotten used to wearing the -1.00 glasses and everything is perfectly clear with them, then you need to start wearing the stronger ones. By using the same frame no one will notice that you're wearing the stronger glasses. Needless to say you don't really want to many questions being asked. What you're wanting to do will take a lot of commitment on your part. So you have to be sure this is what you want.


kenpachi 11 Feb 2017, 13:59

Hello everyone, I am 18 and i would like to be nearsighted, my parents are both myopic, but unfortunately for me that i am not, my sister is also myopic,I started using her old glasses ,It is maybe left -0.50 right -0.75, if i want to be -5.00 or more,should i wear those or get higher? most of my time is in front the computer,gaming ,should i wear them when i use my pc or reading? thank you


antonio 08 Feb 2017, 15:23

Hi Kiki057,

regarding you mentioned you See slightly blurried far Ehen driving Ehen looking far and closing one eye. That could Jean you Start to be really in need for at least a weak prescription for at least one oft your eyes for driving, perhaps even for both already. Your brain always shows to you the best image possible out oft what your eyes - biological cameras deliver to him as rawdata. It.s normal one Sees sligtly sharper with 2 eyes than with one as your braun eliminates bluriness vor sharpens your image by comparing computationally two slightly blurred images from your eyes. Vor simply one oft your eyes Sees better, then this image is shown to you whatever this eye can See. Hope that helps and looking forward to your eyetest. I.m shortsighted besides and my eyes behave somewhat similar to your :-).

Best regards, Antonio. See you in lenschat.com, if you like to discuss about vision,...


Soundmanpt 08 Feb 2017, 13:37

Kiki057

First of all as for as if the ECP would be able to tell that you had been wearing contacts I don't think he or she would be able to tell but even if you asked, which I really doubt, you simply say that you often wear some non-prescription colored contacts that you bought on line.

I saw what Bob commented and I do understand that like him you may want that feeling of being justified knowing that you actually do need glasses or contacts and I truly hope that you get a real prescription for glasses that will make you happy, but if that doesn't happen you at least still don't have to give up and stop wearing glasses. But at some point you;re going to have to slowly start wearing some of your weaker glasses maybe along with a pair of weaker contacts that equal out close to what your eyes are currently used to. Right now you're leading 2 lives when your friends and co-workers see you wearing glasses full time and your family thinks you don't need glasses. That can be dangerous if you're out with family and come across a friend or someone from work. The risk of getting caught is out there for sure. I look forward to hear the results of your eye exam.


Kiki057 08 Feb 2017, 08:23

Will the eye doctor be able to tell if I has wearing contacts up until my appointment?


Kiki057 08 Feb 2017, 07:58

To explain a little more, I have been able to wear my R: -4.25 and L: -4.75 freely at work and at home. All of my friends and coworkers assume that I actually need them. If I'm going to be around family I wear my contacts but can't wear my glasses. I am planning to schedule an eye exam soon and will let you guys know what I find out!


Bob 08 Feb 2017, 04:36

soundmanpt, Kiki057

Even though the prescription may be below the -4.0 that Kiki057 currently wears, I can retrace the desire to get an acknowledgment that you are now myopic, even if your desire to wear glasses is a private affair, and even though you may just continue wearing your strong glasses anyway.

I had the desire to become glasses wearer myself since I was young, and eventually got a prescription similar to your original one (low plus). I wore this immediately full time, but was frequently disappointed by my ECP who only suggested (and assumed) part-time wear since the prescription was relatively weak. Only a few years later I experienced a steady increase in astigmatism (and moderate increase in hyperopia). I still recall the sensation when my ECP suggested that part-time wear would no longer be an option, and I got a condition on my renewed drivers license since I was no longer allowed to drive without correction (even though I hadn't done so in years anyway).

Anyway, this acknowledgment of my requirement for glasses felt rewarding, even though noone else knows about my true desire. But now wearing glasses is truly not an option anymore.

I am not sure if that reflects you sentiments, Kiki057, but that is why regular eye exams were (and still are) important to me. Anyway, if you like, it would be great to hear about your experience and result of your eye exam.


Soundmanpt 07 Feb 2017, 14:56

Kiki057

I remember you asking before and trying very hard to become myopic and without much success. I think the biggest thing you have working against you is the fact that your now 32 years old. Not old by most standards but for the eyes to be forced to change considerably too late. If you have been wearing on average -4.00 prescription in either glasses or contacts for several years whatever you get when you go for an eye exam is probably all you can expect. Going any stronger won't be of any help. If your eyes were going to be changed -4.00 is more than enough to make a difference. If your eyesight isn't being change or only changed slightly then it makes sense that even after wearing your -4.00 glasses all and taking them off that you are still able to see quite well without your glasses. But i'm not sure why if you cover one eye the vision in the other eye is more blurry and then the same if you revers it. As far as how to explain marks or dents on your nose caused by your glasses I would say if it is still daylight when you go then those marks could easily be caused by sunglasses.Also if you're female simply reapply makeup on your nose which every woman does quite often anyway. Of course when asked about glasses you say you lost them and you play dumb and have no idea what your glasses were for when you had them.

I know your goal is to be given a nice decent prescription for glasses but really what difference does it really make? Without any doubt even if you mange to get a prescription it won't be anywhere near -4.00. So if you were given a prescription for say -1.50 glasses what would that really mean for you. Your eyes apparently are doing and seeing very well wearing a much higher prescription so I doubt that you would run out and buy -1.50 glasses anyway. You apparently are completely happy with wearing either contacts or glasses that are at least -4.00 and you wear them all day long at your computer at work and you wear them for driving without any problem. So what's more important, having a piece of paper that says you need glasses or wearing glasses like you're already doing? Your the only one that knows that your still able to see quite well without glasses so everyone you know thinks you can't see very well. What they don't know is your little secret.


Kiki057 07 Feb 2017, 11:37

So I've posted here before and am hoping to get some answers. For the last few years I have been wearing glasses or contacts with an average of -4 in each eye. I work on a computer all day so I thought maybe that would help the process. 3 years ago I had my eyes tested and my RX was +.75 and +.50. I've been obsessed with glasses since I was a little kid. Now that I'm 32 and living alone I can wear them all the time without anyone questioning me. So I plan to make an eye appointment but I have some questions. I rocked Anatomy in high school but I don't remember everything about how the eyes work. So when I'm driving home and take my glasses off I can see pretty well but if I close one eye at a time it's blurry. Why is it that looking out of one eye at a time it's blurry but when they are working together it's barely noticeable. If I go to the eye doctor right after work I will have the dents on my nose from my glasses but if I wear my contacts right up until I walk into my appointment will the doctor be able to tell that I've had contacts in? I hope this all makes sense and I appreciate any feedback!


Cactus Jack 17 Jan 2017, 23:44

Zack,

Yes, reading and close work with your glasses or contacts help the process. Normally, the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses are fully relaxed with the minimum Plus power for distance. However, your Crystalline Lenses are NOT at Zero Power when fully relaxed. They are probably around +16 or so. If your distance vision is or is corrected to 0.00, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze your Crystalline Lenses to increase their PLUS power to focus closer than technically "infinity", but for practical purposes 20 feet of 6 meters. The amount of increase is determined by the laws of Optical Physics as codified by Sir Isaac Newton bit over 300 years ago.

In your situation, when you wear more MINUS than you actually need, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze your Crystalline Lenses and add enough PLUS to compensate for the excess MINUS in your contacts or glasses. Then when you read or focus closer than 20 feet or 6 meters, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze some more to enable you to focus close with your contacts or glasses.

If you have ever done any photography, you will understand the similarity between the pupils of your eyes and the Iris in a camera lens. Both control the amount of light striking the Retina, Film or Digital Sensor. In low light both are opened up, in bright light both are closed down to reduce the size of the aperture to control the light. There is a secondary optical effect of closing down or opening up the aperture. It changes the depth of field or range of useful focus. If you are in bright light and close down the aperture enough, everything from near to far will be in focus. If you open up the apertures to maximum in low light only those objects that are near the exact focus distance will be in focus.

When you do the refraction test, try not to do it in very bright light. It will give you truer readings.

You might find this paper informative about how your eyes work. I think you will be surprised.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/scenario/labman3/eye.htm

Two important things to remember: 1. keep the pressure on was much as possible and 2. Nothing happens fast.

One other thing, I don't think you need to consider Gas Permeable Hard Contacts. I don't think you have enough Astigmatism to justify the hassle and expense.

May I invite you to contact me at cactusjack1928@hotmail.com.

C.


Zack 17 Jan 2017, 19:58

Cactus Jack,

Yes that was without glasses or contacts. I am happy I am making any sort of progress even if minute.

I see what you are saying about the eye, I didn't really know that much about astigmatism before now but it makes sense to me now, it's pretty interesting.

I wear soft contact lenses and they are sphere only. They did not bump my prescription up because of my astigmatism as my contacts prescription is currently -2.5, which is the same as the sphere value of my left eye.

Tomorrow after wearing my -6 contacts to my classes, I will test myself again right after I take my contacts out.

Also will reading books and my computer while really close (with my glasses or contacts on of course) help with the process at all? That's what I have been doing and I feel like it is helping but I am not 100% sure.

Thanks again!

Zack


Cactus Jack 17 Jan 2017, 19:19

Zack,

Was that without contacts or glasses? It seems like you are making some progress. Your astigmatism confuses the issue a little because without correction, you are

OD -2.25 in the 25 degree Axis and -2.75 in the 115 degree Axis

OS -2.50 in the 180 degree Axis (Horizontal) and -3.00 in the 90 degree Axis

I know that sounds weird, but Axis direction is the Long Axis of - Cylinder. Think of the shape of your Cornea as a section from he side of an American Football. The Long Axis has a very shallow curve and the Short Axis is at a right angle (90 degrees) to the Long Axis is steeper and therefore has a bit more Plus power than than in the Long Axis.

You may have to read that and think about it for a bit and recall that corrective lenses neutralize or cancel out actual refractive errors.

Do you normally wear Toric Contact Lenses or Sphere only? For mild Astigmatism, 1/2 the Cylinder is often algebraically added to the Sphere and Sphere only Contacts are prescribed. That usually gives satisfactory vision and avoids the cost and hassle of getting Toric Contacts to stay correctly oriented on the Cornea.

I would like to ask you to do the test again after you have worn your -6 contacts for an extended period, Immediately after you take your contacts out.

Don't get discouraged if it is about the same or just a little closer. I will explain why after your report.

C.


Zack 17 Jan 2017, 18:54

Cactus Jack,

My last prescription from last August was

OD -2.25 Cyl -.5 Axis 025,

OS -2.5 Cyl -.5 Axis 180.

My vision was kind of fuzzy after my last examination because my ECP decided to not bump up my prescription anymore because the 20/20 line she showed me was blurry but just visible enough that I could read it. I should have spoken up in hindsight and said that it was not good.

In the past few years my cyl values have stayed the same and have not changed. Only the sphere values have changed.

I have completed the test,

For my right eye (OD), I got the numbers 33 cm, 33 cm, 33 cm, which averaged out to 33.

Then I took it and divided 100 cm / 33 cm and got 3.03.

For my left eye (OS), I got the numbers 30 cm, 31 cm, and 29 cm, which averaged out to 30 cm.

Then I took it and divided 100 cm / 30 cm and got 3.33.

I just woke up because I was tired so I was not awake for more than 10 or so minutes before taking this test.


Cactus Jack 17 Jan 2017, 15:53

Zack,

I really need your last complete prescription before suggesting a strategy. I am particularly interested in any Cylinder and Axis numbers for correcting Astigmatism.

There is a very simple test you can do to get an approximate indication of your refractive error. You will need a book or newspaper (target) with normal sized print, a tape measure, and you may need some OTC reading glasses to get the distances involved into a useful range. This test can be done at any time of day, but it may be more indicative of your true prescription if done first thing in the morning BEFORE you put on glasses or insert contacts.

1. Hold the target at a distance where you can see the text clearly. Close one eye.

2. Gradually move the target away from you face until the text just becomes fuzzy.

3. Measure the distance.

4. Do steps 1 thru 3, three times and average the distance for each eye individually.

5. Divide the average distance into 1 meter (100 cm or 39.37 inches).

Note: If the distance is inconveniently far for the length of your arms, you can create some artificial Myopia by using OTC Plus Reading glasses. You want to use the minimum Plus to get the blur point distance to about 50 to 66 cm or 20 to 26 inches. You will need to adjust the calculated prescription for the supplemental Plus.

If you don't understand how the test works or need help, let me know and also let me know the numbers you get.

The result is inverse of your approximate prescription. Here is an example of how it works. Lets say that you do the above test and the text gets fuzzy at 20 inches (50 cm). Sir Isaac Newton's formula for calculating lens power vs focal distance is 1 meter / Focal Distance = Lens Power in Diopters. 39.39/ 20 inches = 1.96 or +2.00. That is your refractive error. The corrective lenses would be -2.00.

If you need to move the blur point outward you can do the test with low power minus glasses. You might try the test with low power contacts or glasses.

I need some of the above test results before I can help you develop an exam strategy. In your situation, it is easy when you understand the principles.

C.


Zack 17 Jan 2017, 06:23

Cactus Jack,

You suggested that I create a strategy for my next eye exam,

How long should I wait or when should I decide on going in for another eye exam? My last one was in August.

Also are there any tips or tricks I should know before going into an exam?

I would also like to ask if there are any tests I could be doing to check my progress and how often should I do these tests? I am interested in keeping track of my progression.

Thank you very much for your help,

Zack


Zack 16 Jan 2017, 15:29

Iain,

Thank you for the information, I will look into those sites when I get home and see if they will ship to the US.

Zack


Iain 16 Jan 2017, 15:09

Zach,

Usually Fluoroperm

Try lensway or lenscatalogue here in UK, not sure they post to US

Iain


Zack 16 Jan 2017, 14:50

Iain and Cactus Jack,

Thank you both for the encouraging words and for sharing your stories! It gives me hope that I can possibly induce or even wear high prescriptions full time.

I would preferably get up to -12 or maybe even more, but I set my main goal at -6 or -8 as I do not know how much I will truly be able to truly induce as it can be unpredictable and like Cactus said it is up to my genes.

Even if I do not induce to that high of a prescription, it would still be cool to wear any of those prescriptions full time.

I would like to try and buy some gas permeable contacts as my next pair because I have been reading up on them and they sound nice. Iain, do you have any brand you could recommend and also a website where I could get them from? I don't think the website I usually buy contacts from sells gas permeable contacts, and I am having trouble finding a website that sells gas permeable contacts without a prescription.

Thank you both so much!


Iain 16 Jan 2017, 14:12

Cactus Jack,

That's very encouraging about the guy you helped. Come Easter I will have increased my cls Rx by -12. Was he able to maintain his new vision? Do you think I will be able to continue beyond -12 cls? I would like to go as far as I can.

My future beyond uni is unclear. More study is a possibility but I want to travel as well. I will be 21 in August so wish to explore. Travelling will complicate my induced myopia regime. Is it better to continue with youth on my side?

Zack you are doing great. Cactus is very encouraging. How high do you wish to go? Gas permeable have suited me, I get a new Rx every four months. I think my eyes have adapted so well as they do not get a chance to be without correction.


Zack 16 Jan 2017, 11:47

Cactus Jack,

That's amazing! I could only hope to get to that point eventually, but I will have to work up to it overtime. I have -13 glasses and I have worn them a bit around the house and I could see well with them in bright light but not perfectly in dim light, also my eyes would defocus for a few seconds every half hour or so when I was wearing them.

And I forgot about that, I guess I have never thought of sleeping that way, I will still try to be as careful as possible and wear my contacts or glasses from waking up to going to sleep at night. I just want to have as much stress on my eyes as possible.

Is there anything else I should be doing to make sure my ciliary muscles become as strong as possible, like reading for a long period of time and getting real close to the page?


Cactus Jack 16 Jan 2017, 11:03

Zack and Iain,

A few minutes without your glasses or contacts won't make any difference in your efforts. Your Ciliary Muscles get to relax for several hours while you sleep. The key to Inducing Myopia is the strength of your Ciliary Muscles. For their size, they are normally the strongest muscles in the body. Your efforts just make them stronger. The young man I mentioned had to get occasional dilated exams to gauge his progress. His goal was to flunk the "official" mandatory military service eye exam where they used a very strong dilating agent. Probably Atropine. Most ECPs use dilating agents for "wet" exams that wear off in a few hours.

C.


Cactus Jack 16 Jan 2017, 10:52

Zack and Iain,

Several years ago, I worked with a VERY highly motivated young man in his late 20s who needed to be substantially more myopic than he was (about -4). He ultimately was able to wear -20 glasses while studying to pass the TOEFL exam.

If you do the Vertex Distance math, -20 glasses are effectively -16 at the Cornea so he was able to focus to read with 12 diopters of over correction. Because of his age, it was mostly Pseudo Myopia with only a bit over -1 of additional Axial Myopia, but the important thing is that it worked for his purposes.

Because you started at a younger age, it is possible that you will develop more Axial Myopia, but your genes are in the "driver's seat". It does not really matter which type of Myopia you develop as long as you understand the difference and that Pseudo Myopia needs maintenance. Maintenance is more important when you are young because your Crystalline Lenses are still very flexible and your Ciliary Muscles will relax fairly quickly. However, the most important thing that happens is that your Ciliary Muscles get very strong and are able to deal with the additional minus in your glasses very quickly.

C.


Zack 16 Jan 2017, 10:41

Also,

I have been very careful to not see without glasses or contacts too. Most of the time I take my contacts out in before a shower and immediately close my eyes. I don't open them until I am out and my contacts are back in.

Iain,

Right now I use extended wear contacts (Pure Vision), do you think I should switch to gas permeable ones? I only have one more -6 contact and I just put in a new monthly pair today, so I need to buy more -6 contacts. If so, any suggestions on brands or where to get them?

Thank you both Cactus Jack and Iain.


Zack 16 Jan 2017, 10:16

Cactus Jack,

Sounds like a plan, I will stay with my -6 contacts until the blur is completely gone in the dark, and then I will begin to move up in increments like Iain. Other than the small blur in the dark (things like the time on my phone are a bit fuzzy when the screen is dim) my vision is really good with these contacts and glasses. After the blur is gone, I will move to -7 contacts and -7.75 glasses.

1. I live in New York and I live off campus in my own apartment away from my family.

2. My favorite subjects are history and science, however I am in school for Computers as the subject also interests me.

3. My last eye exam was in August.

I work and therefore I have the money to go in for eye exams whenever I want as I have a pretty good amount of expendable income.

My ECP is back at home which I am only at during the summer and holidays, and therefore I have not gone to an eye doctor here at school and I have many doctors to choose from.

Iain,

That's very cool, I would like to be able to build up wearing stronger glasses to my family so they notice my vision getting worse so it's no shocker as the glasses get stronger. I will probably try to move in increments like you, every few months I will increase as long as I have accommodated appropriately by then. I am only in my second year of college and I am double majoring so I have 2 maybe 3 more years ahead of me.


Iain 16 Jan 2017, 07:25

Zach like you I have been intent on getting a myopic Rx.

I started slowly and have built up over my years at uni. I came to uni aged 17 in Sept 13 with glasses and cls -1.

Three times a year I increase the cls Rx by -1. Towards the end of my second year the glasses Rx was higher than cls.

I use gas permeable cls and wear them all day generally only taking them out once per week when I clean them and wear glasses. I am very careful not to experience any vision without either cls of glasses.

My 4 year course ends this year. Last Aug the cls increased to -10 and glasses -11.5, I got my first myodisc glasses. As a Maths student I devised a rigid plan to increase my Rx. Last week I changed to -11 cls and -13 myos. It costs me a lot and I have worked throughtout uni to support my ambition.

When I leave I want to be wearing -15 glasses for my graduation photo. I deliberately wear glasses when with friends and family and they know my Rx is increasing.

I don't know how high I can go. The past two increases have taken a while to get used to. With each change distance is ok I need to work on close up. Immediately after an increase I can read in bright light only and over the days/weeks I force myself to bring the work closer to my eyes. This present increase is still being worked on.

Is this a permanent change? I would love to know but dare not test it. I have worked so hard to get this far I am happy that I can see with myos.


Cactus Jack 16 Jan 2017, 05:46

Zack,

Sounds like you need to slow down a little on the increases if you are noticing some blurr on your phone. Right now, you are using your Ciliary Muscles to compensate for the extra minus in your contacts. As an FYI, your -7.00 glasses have approximately the same optical effect as -6.50 contacts because of Vertex Distance effects in the glasses.

When you read with the -6 contacts at typical reading distances of about 14 inches or 36 cm, your Ciliary Muscles are having to add an additional +2.75. At typical smart phone distances, I would estimate as much as +3.50. In dim light, your pupils open and your range of useful focus decreases. It works like the f stop on a high end camera lens where the phenomenon is called "Depth of Field".

I would suggest staying with the -6 contacts or the -7 glasses until you don't have any problems reading text on your phone and then increasing in no more than -1 increments.

May I as a few questions?

1. Where do you live?

2. What are the subjects you like best in school?

3. When was your last eye exam?

You need to start thinking of the strategy for your next eye exam. At some point, you will need to get an eye exam to judge how effective your program has been. However, you should NOT go back to the ECP where you got your last exam. At your age, really significant increases in Myopia, typically don't happen naturally.

C.


Zack 16 Jan 2017, 01:28

Hi, I would like to start inducing some myopia. Preferrably my prescription would reach -6 or -8 or more, but I would really enjoy any increase.

I am 19 years old and in school at the moment.

At the moment my prescription is at OD -2.25 and OS -2.5.

I wear contacts primarily but I do have a pair of glasses. I first conditioned myself by putting my -2 glasses over my -2 contacts, which I was able to get used to quite quickly. I then ordered contacts in -6. I have been wearing -6 contacts for the last week and everything is perfectly clear at this point with no issues other than slight blur on my phone when it is dark or dim. I have been wearing them all day everyday for the most part as they are extended wear ones, but I do usually take them out at night. I also have some OD -7 and OS -7.25 glasses that I have been wearing while my contacts are out at night before bed.

I am wondering what kind of steps I should be taking with my prescriptions in the future and how large (as in, what increments and how often). I have read up on the previous entries to this forum and it looks like taking too big of steps is detrimental to the process as the eyes cannot handle it, and I do not want to waste my time or money. Any other important information that you think I should know would be helpful too!


Cactus Jack 09 Jan 2017, 18:10

Loveglasses,

You need to go above -2.00 during the "training" process. Maybe as high as -4.00, but you have to work up to it.

The way to get prescription Contact Lenses when you don't really need them is to investigate some Contacts that change your eye color or "costume" contact lenses that are moderately popular around Halloween that make your eyes look really scary. You can say that you have been invited to a Costume Party.

What you are interested in, is the Diameter and Base Curve. You will need that information and the desired power to order contact lenses. The major benefit of getting professionally fitted Contact Lenses is that training on inserting and removing the contacts is included and also how to care for them. Good Hygiene is vital when working with Contact Lenses. Improper care can damage your Corneas.

C.


Loveglasses 09 Jan 2017, 12:41

Dear Soundmanpt and Cactus Jack,

Thanks for your opinion. I think I will try it with contact lenses. Shall I start with -1.50, -2.00 or more? With the -1.50 glasses I can see really good. So maybe I can take a bit stronger. My goal is to do an eye exam and the result is about -2.00.

Peter


Cactus Jack 09 Jan 2017, 11:03

Loveglasses,

As Soundmanpt said, you may be to old to be able to induce any Axial or True Myopia. That involves causing your eyeballs to grow. It is very likely that your genes will not let that happen.

However there is another type of Myopia called Pseudo or False Myopia that may have some possibilities, but as Soundmanpt said, you have to either wear glasses or contact lenses every waking hour for that to be occur. Pseudo Myopia is considered "temporary", but temporary can be a long time under the right conditions. You could also do GOC (Glasses over Contacts) if you want to.

We can likely help you with any of those.

May I ask why you can only wear the -1.50 glasses about 10 hours per week? Maybe we can help you work on that also.

C.


Soundmanpt 09 Jan 2017, 10:21

Loveglasses

Your nearing or may already be at the point where "inducing myopia" might not be possible. But to have any chance at all one thing you will have to change from only wearing your -1.50 glasses 10 hours a week. That is not nearly enough to induce even a small amount of myopia. The only way is to go completely full time wearing your glasses. That honestly means from the minute you open your eyes each day you want to put your glasses on and keep them on until you are back in bed at the end of the day. Do this for about 2 months and then recheck your eyesight. All your doing now is wearing your glasses as "recreational use"


Loveglasses 09 Jan 2017, 07:53

Hello my name is Peter from Austria. I just recognized this site and saw that there is a possibility for my wish.

I would like to be short-sighted. I'm 25 years old.

I really love wearing glasses. Two years ago, I did an eye examination but the test said 0.00. But I still wanted to have glasses. So I ordered one in the internet with -1.50. I wear them when I am alone or drive the car. But this is not so often, maybe 10 hours per week. I can see perfectly with them. Today I did a new test and the result was nearly the same. 0.00 and - 0.25.

Do you think there is a possibility to get short-sighted (-2.00 would be great) and how can I do it?

Thanks for your opinion!


Soundmanpt 06 Jan 2017, 09:25

Abbie

I also think starting off with -2.00 glasses might be a little bit too aggressive for your eyes. Even though your eyesight wearing your friends glasses was very clear only wearing them for a few minutes is much different than wearing them full time. So even if seeing distance was good wearing them seeing things close up might be uncomfortable for you. I was a bit confused as to if you were saying that you actually need -.50 correction for both eyes are if you even have glasses in that prescription. So if you actually need -.50

glasses then I would suggest ordering your glasses with -1.25 lenses. If you don't have glasses then I would suggest -1.00 as your first g;lasses. At the same time your ordering these glasses I would also order the same glasses in -2.00. By ordering the same glasses once your eyes are fully adjusted to the -1.00 or -1.25 glasses changing to the stronger ones no one will notice the difference except you. I'm sure you don't want anymore questions about your glasses than necessary. The most important thing in attempting to induce myopia is constantly wearing your glasses from the minute you open your eyes in the morning until you go back to bed that night. As for as being able to drive wearing your glasses, that shouldn't be any problem at all. Your eyes should adjust to your glasses (-1.00 or -1.25) very quickly. Actually it will likely be a bigger problem for you getting used to wearing glasses full time then it will be for your eyes to adjust to the prescription. So I would say at first if you need to drive somewhere first thing in the morning then you might want to take your glasses off. But by mid morning your eyes should be adjusted to your glasses and your vision should be perfect with your glasses on. I'm sure that you will know when your eyes are comfortable wearing glasses to drive. I'm guessing by the 3rd day your going to be very comfortable wearing glasses. Once your distance and close vision is completely clear wearing your glasses then you want to switch to the stronger glasses.


Cactus Jack 05 Jan 2017, 19:36

Abbie,

-2.00 may not be a good place for you to start. Have you had and eye exam recently? It is best to start developing a strategy with your actual prescription. If you decide to get an eye exam and the examiner says you need glasses, do not order them yet. Say that you would like to bring a friend to help you choose frames. Then let us know your prescription.

At 27 it is unlikely that you can induce any Axial or True Myopia. However, you may be able to induce some Pseudo or False Myopia. They have different causes, but have the same results, you need - glasses for correction.

May I ask your occupation and where you live (country). That can affect our suggestions.

C.


Abbie 05 Jan 2017, 17:40

A lot of people in my family get reading glasses and then need to wear plus glasses all the time in the 50s.

I really like the look of shortsighted glasses lenses so don't want to end up long sighted.

I don't glasses think I'm with -0.50 both eyes. I've tried friends glasses on and could see very clear with them think were -2.00

I'm 27 so should I order some -2.00 glasses and wear all the time. I would prefer to be short sighted than long sighted.

Also would it be ok the use them for driving once I'm use to wearing them


Likelenses 30 Dec 2016, 20:22

Just for information.

I went to the online Optical 4 less website, and noted that they offer up to -40. lenses.


Likelenses 30 Dec 2016, 15:03

Since you never have anything worthwhile to contribute here, you must come to this site to fantasize over other mens wives, and girlfriends that wear glasses.

When you do, you must be engaging with your Rosie palm.


 30 Dec 2016, 04:28

"You can only wish you had a woman like Cheryl."

Precisely, LL. You can "only" wish for her. You just revealed more than you realize. She's the ideal woman that you wish exists, so you made her up. In your mind, she exists. In your messages on eyescene, she exists.

You make up these stories about Cheryl and other women that are so very fond of you. They all want to date you. It's because that's what you wish was the truth.

Wishing for things that are not true. But through fiction, you try to make them come true.


Likelenses 29 Dec 2016, 19:45

You can only wish you had a woman like Cheryl.

How is that Rosie palm?


 29 Dec 2016, 04:48

we all know cheryl isn't real. she is a vehicle created so that you can pretend to be with someone who needs glasses. you conveniently bring her out whenever you want to write more fiction. you think you are being clever, but we can all see through it.

man to man: can we please stop the make believe.


Likelenses 29 Dec 2016, 00:16

I wonder if this could be used to make someone a high myope.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-157754/Radio-wave-cure-does-away-reading-glasses.html


LXW 27 Dec 2016, 06:28

Fred, i think this is a hoax. LASIK is very dangerous and i think itīs impossible to do it at home.

-Alex


Fred 27 Dec 2016, 00:41

Hi, I came across this website for lasik at home.

http://www.lasikathome.com/index.html

Anyone donw it? Doubt it's safe.


Soundmanpt 26 Dec 2016, 09:53

Late30sGirl

After re-reading your first comment from "18 Dec 2016 19:09" I thought you were wanting to continue wearing your -5.50 glasses, but your eyes are finding it more difficult for seeing near. However the question you were really asking is about slowly returning to your actual prescription. I think you might not want to go back to wearing your -3.50 glasses because as your noticing your eyes are starting to change which is a very natural thing as you approach 40. By going to -3.50 now it's very possible that in the next year even your -3.50 glasses may feel too strong for your eyes and you would be needing even weaker glasses. If you want to retain an actual prescription of -3.50 you probably should continue over correcting your eyes with stronger glasses, just not -5.50 glasses much more. It seems that your eyes are quite comfortable with you husband's glasses which are -4.75 so get yourself some glasses in that prescription including your astigmatisms. If your -5.50 glasses are still comfortable for distance yu may want to keep them in your car to wear for driving.

You mentioned that you never started wearing glasses until you were dating your Bf / husband. Did he encourage you to start wearing glasses or was it just because he wore glasses that prompted you start wearing glasses?


Josh 25 Dec 2016, 17:33

Wantglasses, any news about your vision?


Late30sGirl 22 Dec 2016, 18:23

martian1

By no means I am an expert, but I do have some similar experience.

I started using glasses full-time with a very small prescription (less than -1 in myopia) when I was in my early 20s. By using full time and later using stronger lenses, my eyes became much more myopic (-3.5D).

My sense is that I probably needed a stronger prescription since the start, but doctors do tend to prefer to give lower prescriptions whenever they think it is possible.

If I were you, I would use it fulltime at first and start trying out some stronger glasses / contact lenses.


martian1 22 Dec 2016, 17:23

Hello everyone, my prescription is OS plano and OD-1.0 should i get glasses already? Can i still induce some myopia in my left eye? i am 24 years old. Thank you so much!


Soundmanpt 22 Dec 2016, 10:32

Late30sGirl

Actually the test you did with your husband's glasses is why I was suggesting that you might want to consider progressives. If your eyes have been fine wearing your -5.50 glasses for the past 5-7 years bit only recently you're beginning to have trouble with your near vision it's because your eyes are starting to change which is very common as everyone approaches their 40's. Until recently your eyes have always been able to read fairly comfortably even with your eyes being over corrected. But your eyes are starting to weaken for seeing close up and this is why your glasses aren't as comfortable as they always have been. Your test with your husband's glasses is really about the same as what I suggested. By wearing progressives and leaving your distance the same -5.50 and including an add of +1.00 that is the same as wearing -4.50 for reading. I assumed that you wanted to keep your distance vision the same since your eyes have been wearing that prescription for the past 5-7 years? That was why I asked if your still seeing distances perfectly with your -5.50 glasses?. Of course as long as you don't mind wearing slightly weaker glasses then you may want to order single vision glasses in the same -4.75 as your husband's glasses but with your astigmatism included. But you do understand that your eyes are changing and even with getting weaker glasses it is likely that reading small print is going to continue to get more difficult. This is why progressives might be better becasue that way as your eyes change you can still maintain the same -5.50 for distance but increase the add as needed.


Late30sGirl 21 Dec 2016, 20:39

Likelenses

Today I tested my DH glasses (-4.75, I believe that was the last prescription that I made him glasses) and worked great... (maybe my -5.5 was too much for my eyes) Not perfect science (his astigmatism prescription is different) but should give me some pointers...

Should I test with contact lenses? It is easier to test without having to buy new glasses and having to explain why I am buying new glasses again...


Likelenses 21 Dec 2016, 20:12

Late30sGirl

Your concern over the use of progressives at this point is valid.

Stay with the strongest minus that you can tolerate,to keep your cillary muscles in shape.


Late30sGirl 21 Dec 2016, 20:02

Soundmanpt

You are right regarding the first MD. He was probably old school. I did get my first pair of glasses few years later, but the doctor said to use only in classes or when I was driving. I became full time wearer only later, when I met my BF / DH and became less shy of using it (maybe a little bit too much).

I did the tests that you advised. I could read fine with my current prescription. My concern of using progressive lens now is to make my eyes worse. Wouldn't this make the muscles less "exercised"?


bracesfan 20 Dec 2016, 12:29

Wantglasses:

Itīs greatly improbable that you would get crosseyed just wearing prisms. With prisms your eyes will only turn in or out but after taking them off your eyes will turn back. Itīs true that with significant amount of prism you could see double, and even short time after taking glasses off, but no crosseyed. For seeing double is simpler to go for base in. Believe me, I wear big numbers of prism not needing them for quite a couple of years :-)


Wantglasses 20 Dec 2016, 12:28

Itīs greatly improbable that you would get crosseyed just wearing prisms. With prisms your eyes will only turn in or out but after taking them off your eyes will turn back. Itīs true that with significant amount of prism you could see double, and even short time after taking glasses off, but no crosseyed. For seeing double is simpler to go for base in. Believe me, I wear big numbers of prism not needing them for quite a couple of years :-)


Soundmanpt 20 Dec 2016, 10:48

Wantglasses

If your eyesight is now blurry all the time that is exactly what you're wanting. Because you're barely only 16 makes it much easier for your eyes to be changed then someone a little older than you. When you got your glasses how did your eyes feel wearing your -1.00 glasses for the first time? I have a feeling you weren't wearing them very long before they were completely comfortable and you were seeing everything perfect with them.When you switched to the -2.00 glasses i'm sure your eyes felt the difference. Did you have any problem adjusting to them? Your distance vision should be very good with your glasses but any problems with seeing things close up such as reading from a book? Have you placed your order for stronger glasses yet? Since you got your glasses and started wearing them full time has anyone siad anything about how often your wearing glasses now. I mean aren't you wearing glasses much more often now than when you were wearing your fake glasses? Just curious what glasses have you been ordering? Are they a good fit and how do you think they look on you?


Josh 19 Dec 2016, 21:37

http://img13.deviantart.net/e298/i/2009/175/6/8/crossed_eyes_by_sinned_angel_stock.jpg


Josh 19 Dec 2016, 21:36

thatīs the way your eyes have to be to induce your strabism

http://media.istockphoto.com/photos/eyes-crossed-picture-id459200791?k=6&m=459200791&s=170667a&w=0&h=4_ekVAZCbl6d4uZyy0Qp9AamCRrNwtMAZqEUF1zLjvs=


Josh 19 Dec 2016, 21:23

wantglasses, youīre in an age where your eyes still end growing up, so if you do this, the optical nerves will adapt to a new position, then you will devolp more myopia some astigmatism and obviosly the strabism that you want, strong glasses will be ready for you.


Josh 19 Dec 2016, 19:24

if you wanna be cross-eyed what you have to do is force to keep your eyes cross, when both eyes are glue to the nose what you have to do is get only one eye straight, and keep them like this a pair of minutes, do it all the time you can and i garantee your eyes will be crossed in a few weeks


Wantglasses 19 Dec 2016, 17:51

Cactus Jack

I have always loved the look of crossed eyes. When I was really young I had a friend who was cross eyed, and I thought it was so cool, loved the way her eyes looked, and her glasses looked even more amazing than all the other glasses I had ever seen, the lenses lokked amazing! They were so big on the outsides. It is hard to explain, but I have always wanted to be cross eyed.

Soundmanpt

My eyesight is now blurry all the time! It might be blurrier later in the day, but not by much.


Soundmanpt 19 Dec 2016, 09:54

Wantglasses

I saw your reply to "noname" and you really seem thrilled that you're quickly becoming dependent on your glasses to see properly. Hard to believe that just a few weeks ago you could see that same menu board perfectly without glasses and now it's too blurry for you to read without your glasses. Now that your wearing glasses that you actually need to see with is it what you dreamed it would be like? It doesn't sound like you have any regrets at all about what you're doing to your eyes which is good. It's a lot different than wearing fake glasses isn't it? So of course after wearing your glasses all day when you take them off to go to sleep i'm sure things across your room are pretty blurry. But whn you wake up in the morning has your eyesight returned to normal and things are clear in your room or are they slightly blurry or about as blurry as when you took them off the night before?

You haven't really ever said why you want so badly to be cross eyed? That almost seems more important to you than even being nearsighted. You do understand that your crossed eyes would only be seen when you take off your glasses? With your glasses on your eyes won't appear crossed because your glasses will keep them lined up properly. So people will only see your crossed eyes when you take off your glasses. And you won't be able to go without your glasses because the double vision will very quickly cause you headaches not to mention you're nearsightedness.


Soundmanpt 19 Dec 2016, 09:03

Late30sGirl

I'm a bit sur[rised back when you were a teen and you had a prescription of -.50 with a -.50 astigmatism that the doctor didn't fit you with glasses. Granted it was a rather weak prescription but none the less you would have benefited from glasses. Maybe his thinking was that because you were a teen girl you likely wouldn't wear them anyway since wearing glasses wasn't very popular for a teen girl to be wearing at that time. But you were at the borderline of passing the vision test for driving. So in your early 20's you finally got your first glasses in your prescription and wore them full time. But after wearing your glasses a while you didn't feel like like your weak prescription was enough to justify your wearing glasses. You shouldn't have felt as if your eyesight wasn't bad enough for you to be wearing glasses just because you were still able to see pretty well without glasses. They still allowed you to see things more clearly and read signs in the distance. Only you knew how much your glasses helped you to see things. Once you found this site and started ordering glasses stronger than you needed until you were wearing -5.00 glasses without any problem and you actual prescription had increased to -3.50. But now thta your approaching the age of 40 wearing -5.00 glasses is getting more difficult for you. The over correction you continue to wear is now uncomfortable for your near vision. Is your eyesight still very good wearing your -5.00 glasses for seeing distances? You probably don't want to start wearing your actual prescription of -3.50 because you don't want your actual distance vision to slowly reduce. As a test you should try wearing the glasses you have with the =4.00 prescription to see if they are more comfortable for seeing close up.If they are then you may want to consider ordering a pair of progressives. Order them with the same -5.00 for distance but include +1.00 for the the reading add. You may want to do the same test with your -3.00 glasses to see if they are even better for reading. If so then you would want to make the add +1.50 or +2.00.


Josh 19 Dec 2016, 08:01

wantglasses if you wanna be crosseyed i could show you how to do it, you can find me in lenschat


Cactus Jack 18 Dec 2016, 21:45

Waantglasses,

I apologize, for not remembering your age and other personal information. It is very hard for me to keep track of all our members, so I really don't try very hard and just ask again.

I can understand the desire to Induce some Myopia, it is common or this thread would not exist. May I ask why you want to be cross eyed?

I suggest you think very hard about doing that. Glasses with a lot of prism are hard to make, expensive, and often have poor optical characteristics. Because of the prevalence of muscle surgery, making and fitting glasses with significant prism is almost a lost art. Mostly the glasses are made by specialty labs and the results are not always satisfactory or wearable. One of the reasons prism glasses can be expensive is that they have to be remade several times to get them right.

Also, when you are significantly cross-eyed, you only use the the inside area of the lens near your nose. Often the glasses are made using small round frames with no prescription in the outside area of the lens, something like myodisc lenses, That keeps the outer edge thickness and the ultimate thickness of the lens blank from being extremely heavy and thick.

C.


WantGlasses 18 Dec 2016, 21:05

Cactus Jack

Everything is the same as my answer as November 9th, excpet I am now 16 years old. Ad I have said earlier I just really want to need glasses and be cross eyed! I would live to need glasses with big lenses.

Noname

Yes, I am so happy!! It feels amazing, like a dream come true, and it is. I could tell the pictures were there but they were fuzzy, and the words were non exisitant, until I squinted! I really cannit wait, I love that my eyesight has gotten worse, and I actually need glasses, and even more I love that I am getting new glasses even if the frame is the same. I just cannot wait to fail an eye exam, and have a doctor tell me I need glasses and that I am cross eyed.


Late30sGirl 18 Dec 2016, 19:09

Since I was a teen, I had very small myopia prescription (-0.5D or less and 0.5 for astigmatism). I was told by the doctor that correction was not needed.

When I met my husband (full time wearer, -4.25D) in my early 20s, I fell in love (with him) and with his minus glasses. This was what I needed to take the courage and become full-time wearer.

After a while, as I was not happy with my prescription (thought people would be joking about my almost lack of correction), I found this website and started using more correction. First -2, then -3, -4 and now around -5 for the last 5-7 years.

The inducing seems to be working, my real prescription grew quickly and after something like 5 years (when I was 30), prescription arrived at -3.5 and stayed there, with the same astigmatism as before.

In the last 2 years, it has been increasingly difficult to maintain the over-correction, specially for near vision... I am considering slowly converging to my true prescription.

What are your thoughts? I am almost 40 right now...


 18 Dec 2016, 17:14

wantglasses I remember you only got your glasses a short time ago. Are you happy that you can't see very well anymore without glasses? How does it feel to really need glasses now? How blurry was that menu board at the drive thru? wow, I guess you can't wait to get stronger glasses now?


Cactus Jack 18 Dec 2016, 13:32

Wantglasses,

Yes, very likely. It depends on many factors and there is no way to predict how long it will take. Because convergence is a natural occurrence when you look at something close, you could probably be wearing 10/10 BO or even 15/15 BO tomorrow, IF you could get the glasses. However, it is not uncommon for sudden changes in prism correction to cause nausea and dizziness until you get used to it.

It would be helpful if you would be more specific about your desires. and goals and how aggressive your situation allows you to be.

You need to be very used to your prescription and ideally have blurry double vision without your glasses so your need for an increase is obvious. Also, you need to know what to say in the interview, prior to the exam.

May I ask a few questions?

1. Your age and gender?

2. Your occupation?

3. Where you live? (Country and region)

If you would prefer to discuss this privately, you may contact me at cactusjack1928@hotmail.com

C.


Wantglasses 18 Dec 2016, 11:52

Cactus Jack

Doing this would make me need BO glasses? How long do you think it will take before I get cross eyed? Also at what point should I go to an eye doctor to finally get prescribed glasses?


Cactus Jack 18 Dec 2016, 11:15

Wantglasses,

It is even easier than Inducing Myopia. Just order some glasses with 5 BO in each eye and reduce your PD by 3 mm. There are a few things to be aware of.

BO prism will cause your eyes to turn inward or converge. It is a natural function that occurs any time you look at something close. It probably won't take very long before you frequently have double vision without the prism correction.

When you read with your BO prism, your eyes will have to converge more that they do without BO prism.

Many online retailers will not do prism above 5 BO in each eye. (e.g. Zenni) I believe Optical4 Less will go up to 11, but I am not certain. Beyond that, you will need to find a local source with an official prescription and $$.

5 BO is not noticeable by others. Even 10 BO is not very obvious by looking at you. Increased edge thickness of about 1 mm per Prism Diopter is the most noticeable thing.

You may experience a reduction in VA with higher levels of prism. That may be related to a difference in the location of the Optical Center and your Central Axis of Vision. Prisms have NO Optical Center, but the underlying Sphere prescription does.

Most ECPs are very reluctant to prescribe first prism correction, unless the need is very obvious. However, once you are wearing them, it will not be difficult to get an increase if you start having double vision problems with the BO glasses.

As Soundmanpt said, once you start wearing prism, it is very hard to go back.

C.


Wantglasses 18 Dec 2016, 07:27

I know to get the same frames. No one has noticed that I have started wearing real glasses. I am 110% sure I want to make myself cross eyed. I have wanted it for as long as I can remember.


Soundmanpt 18 Dec 2016, 03:27

Wantglasses

It seems like your eyes have adjusted very well to wearing glasses and their having the effect you want on your eyesight. Now that the -2.00 glasses are completely comfortable to you then yes it's time to order stronger glasses again. Because as you know it will take up to maybe 2 weeks before you get your glasses once you pace your order.I would suggest getting the same glasses as you have now so no one will notice your glasses are different. Since you started wearing glasses with a prescription has anyone noticed or asked any questions about your glasses? I really think you need to think long and hard about it before you try to make yourself cross eyed. Becoming cross eyed is considerably different than just making yourself nearsighted. As you are beginning to tell being nearsighted just makes things blurry but your still able to see even without glasses. But being cross eyed will mean that not only will things be blurry but you will have double vision as well. There really is no fixing crossed eyes. Being nearsighted if you were to someday change your mind and wanted perfect eyesight you could get lasik.


Wantglasses 17 Dec 2016, 13:26

I think this has worked!! I can see perfectly through the -2.00 glasses now, and witgout glasses and even with the -1.00 glasses my vision has gotten blurry! I could not read what the drive-thru menu said last night without glasses! Should I order new -3.00 and -4.00 ones? Also, when can I start trying to become cross-eyed?


Cactus Jack 15 Dec 2016, 11:32

chrisb,

Sorry about the misspelled name. The spelling checker changed it and I didn't notice before posting. It just tried again, but I caught it this time.

C.


Cactus Jack 15 Dec 2016, 11:32

chrisb,

Sorry about the misspelled name. The spelling checker changed it and I didn't notice before posting. It just tried again, but I caught it this time.

C.


Nathan 15 Dec 2016, 02:40

Hi Svensont,

I've decided to take up Cactus Jack's suggestions of ordering glasses with 5 BO prism. Am planning to do it in the New Year and report back here on my experiments


Cactus Jack 13 Dec 2016, 07:58

chrism,

Yes, it was a bit off topic. I try to not do that, but I don't want anyone to misrepresent my background and think I am an ECP. Guess I am an "Amateur" in the original sense, as one who studies something out of "love or knowledge" about a subject.

I have been accused of being the type person who, if asked the time, will tell you how to build a watch. Sometimes, I offer very short answers to specific questions. Some years ago, I was approached by a very attractive young woman in an upscale department store, she asked, "Do you have the time?" I said, "Yes!". Unfortunately, she was asking because she didn't have a watch. She was confused b my answer, so I looked at my watch and said "It is 2:27". She smiled, thanked me and walked off - much to my disappointment.

I really like your Vertical and Horizontal terms. I guess I tend toward the "Horizontal" and have never even looked at the Twitter site, which could be where the "Verticals" hang out. The characters limit would leave me speechless.

C.


svensont 13 Dec 2016, 07:37

Nathan,

And what have you decided to do? What prism will you order?


chrisb 13 Dec 2016, 00:34

Cactus Jack,

>>Rote learning fundamentally teaches you to memorize a few solutions to a few common problems. Understanding teaches you how to analyze different kinds of problems. I you understand how something works, hopefully be able to solve almost any problem that comes along.

Slightly off topic, but how true that statement is. I too have done some technical teaching and despair of the rote approach. I came up with the term, Vertical Knowledge for the sort of education that many commercial training companies provide. Horizontal learning is the proper approach. I had someone tell me once, if you can;t tell me in a 125 character tweet I don't want to know.


Cactus Jack 12 Dec 2016, 21:41

stevesyd,

I have often wished that I had studied Optometry or Ophthalmology instead of Electronic Engineering, but it is way too late now, I am 79.

I have said on many occasions that I am NOT an Eye Care Professional (ECP). I studied and learned about optics in Physics class and vision by studying and learning about vision. I wanted to analyze and solve my own vision problems when I could not get satisfactory answers from ECPs.

Over the years, I have done a lot of industrial teaching and have gained a reputation as being a pretty good "explainer". My goal is to foster UNDERSTANDING, rather than Rote learning. That is why my explanations tend to be long.

Rote learning fundamentally teaches you to memorize a few solutions to a few common problems. Understanding teaches you how to analyze different kinds of problems. I you understand how something works, hopefully be able to solve almost any problem that comes along.

Over the years I have learned a lot about my own vision problems and other peoples vision. I try to analyze their situation objectively and also teach about how vision works, if I can. We have some ECPs as regulars on ES and I frequently ask them to check my work and suggestions. I am not the least bit reluctant to suggest seeing an ECP if someone posts a question that is beyond my skill level.

I would like to help you do a bit of low cost experimenting if you are interested. If you were here in the US, I would suggest some low cost glasses with several different prescriptions from Zenni. I think you can order from Zenni Optical and have the glasses sent to Australia, but i don't know if there would be any customs duties involved. Could I ask you to check that out? No point in offering suggestions that can't be done at reasonable cost.

The first step is an accurate prescription for distance. Everything starts there. From you distance prescription, deriving the best prescription for nearer distances only involves a tape measure and some simple math.

I am tempted to suggest a dilated exam and the best time time of day as a starting place. Any thoughts?

BTW, If you would like to discuss any of this privately, please feel free to contact me at cactusjack1928@hotmail.com

C.


stevesyd 12 Dec 2016, 14:00

Yes I think I do need to see someone else.

However I do have and wear glasses as a graphic designer as I'm always in front of a computer screen.

It's just I would like something for other distances. I do have a seperate prescription just to correct the astigmatism only. Like I said it was just the attitude I from the optometrist got suggesting it's not necessary. But I will try it regardless.

You seem to know an awful lot about this... Seems like you should be an optometrist!

Steve


Cactus Jack 11 Dec 2016, 17:06

stevesyd.

It would seem to me that vision requirements of a graphic designer is just one notch short of that of an Olympic Sharpshooter. You probably need a new optometrist. The one you have probably does not understand what you do for a living.

The main problem with low Astigmatism is that it makes text awkwardly fuzzy. Astigmatism can cause your eyes to have two focus distances or powers. Depending on the Axis or your astigmatism and the direction of the strokes of the letters, some strokes will be clear and others will be fuzzy. If your eyes try to focus on the fuzzy strokes, they will clear up and the formerly clear stroke will be fuzzy. It is a no win situation, but your brain does not know it.

If you have your complete prescription, I would like to suggest a couple of things.

Order a pair of low cost glasses on line from Zenni Optical. I think you can do it from Australia. Here in the US. Zenni offers glasses for as low as US$6.95, but you have to look a bit for the $6.95 frames. The only extra you should consider is the $4.95 Anti-Reflective coating. Shipping is US5.00, here. I don't know what it to Australia. I recently ordered some glasses for a friend and the total was US$16.90. The only thing you probably don't know is your Pupillary Distance (PD). It is very easy to measure using a mm rule and a bathroom mirror.

The other thing I would like to suggest is to read the piece I wrote entitled "Hot to Study for an Eye Exam". I think you will find it helpful.

I have some other suggestions, but they can wait. Lets see how these work before spending significant money. If you have any questions about ordering glasses, let me know. They can also do prescription sunglasses for just a little more. If you order more than one pair of glasses there is only 1 shipping charge.

If you can order some low cost glasses from Zenni or other on line retailer, that will give you an opportunity to try some glasses for not much money. If you order glasses, you only need standard lenses with the lowest Index of Refraction (IR) they offer, about 1.50.

Please get over the idea that you need a certain strength glasses before you can officially wear them. You are the one with the job that requires good vision and you are the one that gets the headaches.

Some years ago, I noticed that people in some countries wanted "Official" approval to wear vision correction. The UK seemed to be the most prevalent one. As an April Fool joke, I came up with the idea of the Ministry of Vision to license vision correction devices for a fee. Similar to the Radio and TV licenses. Your license number would be displayed on the temples of your glasses to show everyone that you had official Ministry approval to wear glasses. The Ministry of Vision was to be in the same building as the Ministry of Magic.

Some people didn't connect the proposal with April 1st and thought it was a serious proposal.

C.


stevesyd 11 Dec 2016, 14:24

Thank you Cactus Jack,

First your questions.

1. What is your occupation?

- I'm a graphic designer so spend all day looking at screens.

When I was 21 and given -glasses I used to spend all day looking in camera viewfinders. I assume that was the cause.

2. Where do you live? (country)

- Australia

3. Why do you think you need to have some minimal prescription, before you need "acceptable" vision correction?

- The optometrist dismissed the need for my level of astigmatism correction as it's small. His words "Olympic sharp shooters would get correction". So I don't want people looking at them thinking they are clear, physiologically I don't want to look like I'm faking it. What's annoying about that is in some situations distance vision isn't 100% clear. But people with worst sight get to have perfectly clear vision with glasses.

I do need new sunglasses... so I thought about getting the astigmatism correction in them. That way I can test out that prescription first. Can see how they go for driving.

And yes Presbyopia is starting. There is a delay in focusing these days. While I can read small print I do have to strain and I get headaches.

Steve


Cactus Jack 11 Dec 2016, 09:45

stevesyd,

At 38, you have limited options. You are probably not very far from needing additional close focusing help.

Additional Plus for distance will only have the effect of being nearsighted and making things blurry, unless you have some unrevealed Latent Hyperopia, which I kind of doubt. You cannot Induce True Hyperopia (corrected by + glasses).

In the Myopia department, there are actually two kinds with different causes. Axial or True Myopia is caused by your eyeballs having grown too long for the total power of your eye's lens system. If is very unlikely that your genes will let that happen at 38. Axial Myopia is considered permanent because your eyeballs will not shrink after they have grown.

Pseudo or False Myopia is caused by your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses having trouble fully relaxing for distance. It is actually the same thing as Latent Hyperopia, but on the other side of 0.00. That is probably what you had when you were 21. A lot of close work can cause Pseudo Myopia. Pseudo Myopia is considered to be temporary, but temporary is a relative term. Temporary, in this instance, can sometimes be quite a long time. However there is a catch to trying to Induce some Pseudo Myopia, Presbyopia will soon begin to limit what you can do in that department.

Presbyopia, at some point, gets almost everyone. It is caused by gradual stiffening of the protein that makes up your Crystalline Lenses. Your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses are your Auto-Focus mechanism in your eyes. Presbyopia actually starts in Childhood, but typically does not become a nuisance until your late 30s or early 40s. Your genetic makeup and visual environment are important factors in determining when you will need some focusing help, but it probably won't be long before you need some help with either bifocals or progressives.

May I as a few questions?

1. What is your occupation?

2. Where do you live? (country)

3. Why do you think you need to have some minimal prescription, before you need "acceptable" vision correction?

Vision is the MOST personal of all the senses. There used to be a stigma attached to needing vision correction. There was, when I was growing up (79 now), but that is no longer true. Glasses with carefully selected frames are now fashion accessories, some with 0.00 prescriptions. No one has the right to control how well you see, except YOU. The important thing is visual comfort in all situations. Even the need for a "weak" prescription can have an amazing difference in comfort and fatigue levels. Fortunately, you can correct low Hyperopia using your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses, but it takes energy and effort. You have NO WAY to correct Astigmatism, internally. Even very low Astigmatism needs correction because it can mess up your vision at ALL distances and there is nothing you can do about it, except wear glasses or sometimes Toric Contact Lenses.

Vanity issues are still pretty common, but you need to get over that. The absolute best way to get over that is to just start wearing your glasses full time. You may get some comments, but those will stop in a few days and the only moments you will get are if you are NOT wearing your glasses. Wearing glasses is no more significant than getting some new clothes, getting a different style haircut, or growing or shaving a beard.

C.


stevesyd 11 Dec 2016, 06:05

Hi,

For as long as I can remember I was fascinated by glasses. Wishing I needed them.

At about 21 I got my wish albeit not what I had hoped. Very mild short sightedness -.5 / .025 with an astigmatism of about the same from memory.

Fast forward to the age of 38. I am now far sighted plus I still have the small astigmatism. Still a fairly week prescription of +.5.

So I do need them for computer screens they also seem to help in artificial/low light situations at further distances. But obviously I see distance better without.

While I can get a small prescription for the astigmatism it's going to look so week and like fake glasses. So I guess I want to know is there anything I can do to make my sight worst? Without complicated GOC solutions as I think my wife would notice :)

Steve


Nathan 07 Dec 2016, 07:45

The Larissa story makes fascinating reading, especially how quickly her and her friend became dependent upon the prismatic lenses. Also, discovered similar stories in the archives from people like Daffy (who's attempting something similar to what I intend to do) and Jeremy. Cactus Jack: I work in marketing in the UK. I sit at a computer every day and have never experienced any double vision


Cactus Jack 07 Dec 2016, 07:15

Nathan,

There IS a risk of becoming NOTICEABLY "cross eyed" with BO prism or "wall eyed" with BI prism, IF you have a masked or hidden problem with anything associated with your Eye Position Control System. That is why I asked the questions about double vision, in my earlier post.

However, if the amount of prism is less than about 10 prism diopters in each eye, particularly with a Minus prescription, it is ONLY noticeable by YOU, when you are NOT wearing your glasses. The primary thing that is noticeable by others with BO or BI prism in your glasses, is a more significant difference between the outer or inside edges of your lenses. With BO prism the outer edges are thicker by about 1 mm per diopter. With BI prism, the inside edges are thicker, but the amount is less because the distance from the Optical Center (OC) of the lens is smaller than the distance to the outside edge.

The effects or wearing prism, go with the "territory". This is one of those "Be careful what you wish for" things.

Prism correction is a very complicated subject. I have had double vision issues for about 30 years, My eyes would like to turn inward, particularly when I am tired. It is called Fatigue Esophoria. The glasses I wear normally have 7 BO in each eye, but when I am tired, I need more prism to avoid double vision. Few people even notice the 7 BO, but people who know me well have asked about my glasses when I wear 15 BO. The outer edges are noticeably thicker, but I think they notice that the frames are different more than the edge thickness.

C.


Soundmanpt 06 Dec 2016, 14:15

svensont

I remember reading the story about Larissa and her friend. As I recall Larissa started off only wearing very weak glasses for distance but was soon wearing her glasses full time and then she was prescribed with prisms as well. At one point her friend came over to watch a movie and Larissa had left her previous glasses laying on a table in front of them. Her friend saw the glasses and proceeded to put them on. After a bit of on and off with them she finally left them on for the rest of the evening. She went and had her eyes examined but she was told that her eyesight was perfect and she didn't need glasses. But even so she still continued to wear Larissa's old glasses quite often. At some point her and Larissa went on vacation for a week and during the drive to where they were going to be vacationing she had forgotten her sunglasses and found a pair of Larissa's glasses that had prism correction. Larissa warned her that by wearing them she might ruin her eyesight. For a short time she wasn't sure if she wanted to just continue to wear Larissa's weaker glasses without prisms or if she wanted to wear the stronger ones with prisms. She finally decided to wear the glasses with prisms the remained of the week. It wasn't long before her eyes were ruined by the glasses. She went for an eye exam and this time she was prescribed glasses with prisms. Great story!


svensont 06 Dec 2016, 13:26

Nathan,

Read posts starting from "Larissa 28 Jul 2002, 21:57" in Acuity and Prescription II thread, there is a story how her friend became defendant on base in glasses, also read Daffy posts, who also ordered some base in and got permanently used to them.


Cactus Jack 06 Dec 2016, 08:55

Nathan,

The Eye Position Control System (EPCS) is, to some extent, programmable. Prism can correct eye misalignment (Strabismus) or cause it. In some ways it is easier than Inducing Myopia. BO prism corrects or causes a small amount of convergence, (eye "crossing") which is a common event, every time you look at something close. BI prism corrects or causes divergence ("wall" eyes) which is NEVER required in a normal visual environment. Ideally your eyes should point straight ahead (parallel) when you look at distant objects. That makes BI prism more difficult to deal with, unless your eyes have tendency to turn outward.

It is possible to become dependent on prism correction. That is why many Eye Care Professionals (ECPs) are very reluctant to prescribe prism, unless the need is pretty obvious or the patient is already wearing prism correction.

May I ask your occupation and where you live?

Also, have you ever experience double vision?

If so, what was the circumstance?

C.


Nathan 06 Dec 2016, 02:09

Thanks Cactus Jack. If BO will cause my eyes to go inward or converge, does that mean I'll go cross-eyed??? (would like to avoid this if possible). I'm 28 by the way.


Cactus Jack 05 Dec 2016, 15:34

Nathan,

I would suggest BO prism because it will cause your eyes to turn inward or converge. Convergence naturally occurs whenever you focus on something close. I would suggest considering 5 BO in each eye because that is the maximum Zenni will do. You should reduce your PD by 3 mm because of the convergence. 5 BO will cause each eye to turn inward about 3 degrees. It will not be noticeable by others, but it will increase the outer edge of your glasses lenses by about 4-5 mm.

Please let us know what you decide to do.

May I ask your age?

C.


Nathan 05 Dec 2016, 06:49

My current prescription is -2.50 in both eyes (no astigmatism) but if I was going to order a pair of prism lenses online, what prescription should I start off with? Should I go for BI or BO? And what numbers should I fill in? Am doing this because I want to be truly dependent upon glasses rather than contact lenses (which I find myself reverting to most days)


Cactus Jack 03 Dec 2016, 15:57

please help,

The idea that you have to need a certain prescription before it is OK to wear glasses, is pure, unadulterated BS.

Here is a little Optical Physics lesson about what your Sphere correction (first number) means. The most important formula in Optics was discovered and codified by Sir Isaac Newton, of gravity fame, around 1700. It is:

Focal Distance = 1 meter (100 cm, 1000 mm, or 39.37 inches / Lens power in Diopters or its rearrangement: Lens Power = 1 meter / Focal distance.

To add a little about how Vision and its Correction works, we need to add this. The amount of Vision Correction you need is the opposite (sign) of your refractive error adjusted for Vertex Distance (VD). If your prescription i less than +/- 4.00, you don't need to concern yourself with VD effects.

If you need -1.00 Sphere correction, that means that your refractive error is +1.00. Now lets explore what that means. Using the formula above, that means that everything beyond 1 meter (a bit over 3 feet)is increasingly blurry. What that means is that you cannot read what is written on the board in school, read a menu board, recognize a face across a street, or legally drive a car.

Even a prescription of -0.50 means blurry vision beyond 2 meters or almost 7 feet. Everything listed above pretty much applies at -0.50. When you add in little Astigmatism (-0.25) the distances are even less.

NO ONE has the right to dictate how well you see or pass judgement on how you want to correct your vision or how much vision correction you prefer. It is YOUR choice, not much different than preferring a particular flavor of Ice Cream. If someone wonders how well you see without glasses, suggest that they get a pair of +1.25 readers at a local store and wear them full time. Up to a point, being Myopic is like having built in reading glasses.

I strongly suggest that you start taking control of your life when you wake up in the morning. Put on your glasses and start wearing them full time, with or without contacts. If anyone asks, just say that your contacts have been bothering you. You haven't mentioned where in America you live, but Winter with low humidities is upon us and low humidity is a common source of contact lens issues. If it is not exactly the truth, you are the only one that needs to know that.

Almost everyone is worried about what others will think or say when they start glasses. The comments or wanting to try them lasts about 2 days. After that, about the only time anyone will comment is if you get a new frame style. That comment will be at about the same level as if you changed your hair style.

I believe you said that you were in your Freshman year of Engineering. Engineers are people who make things happen. You need to get in the habit of making things happen, rather than hoping for something to happen. Why not start here and now. Don't feel guilty about wanting to wear stronger glasses, many people do because they enjoy the extra crisp vision.

C.


Soundmanpt 03 Dec 2016, 12:21

please help

If your serious about wanting to wear stronger glasses then you have to take the first step in getting their. Even better you have everything you need to get started. You just need to get your nerve up and start by wearing your glasses along with your contacts. By doing that it's the exact same thing as you buying -2.00 -.25 / -2.00 -.25 glasses.

Trust me that no one can tell by just looking at your glasses how strong they are. Just for fun try going to the mall and start looking at people wearing glasses. Unless they are wearing really strong glasses I am sure you won't have any idea how strong their glasses are. When you're looking at someone wearing -2.00 or -2.50 or -1.00 glasses they are all going to look about the same to you and anyone else.


please help 03 Dec 2016, 10:33

Hi.

Yes I have both. I wear contacts all the time out of the house. I don't wear glasses much except when I am alone at home. I appreciate your help. I am a bit worried to just go in public with my glasses cause they aren't that thick and I will think people don't think I really need them, thats why I want them stronger. But I guess most people won't be able to tell by looking. Thanks. Soundmanpt, what you said makes sense I am just worrying I think.


Cactus Jack 02 Dec 2016, 02:56

please help,

Inducing Myopia always starts with Pseudo (False) Myopia. If you are lucky and your genes will allow it, it can turn into Axial (True) Myopia.

Axial Myopia is caused by a mismatch between the total Optical Power of your eye's lens system and the distance from your Crystalline Lens to the Retina. The distance is related to the length of your eyeball. Axial Myopia is considered Permanent, because the eyeball typically DOES NOT shrink after it has grown.

Pseudo Myopia is caused by the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses not fully relaxing after focusing close or compensating for Minus overcorrection. Pseudo Myopia is considered Non-Permanent or Temporary. However, in this case, temporary can mean a very long time. How long depends on your age, how long you have worn the overcorrection, and the magnitude of the overcorrection.

You can have both Axial and Pseudo Myopia at the same time and their effects are additive.

A few questions:

1. Do you have both glasses AND contacts?

2. When do you wear glasses?

3. When of you wear contacts?

We understand what you want to do and we have helped many people achieve your objective. For this to work, you have to level with us. We understand that because you are still living at home, you have to be very careful how you go about this. We also understand that there can be Vanity issues. We can help you with methods that have worked for others.

It takes a little courage to pull this off, but you can do it, if you really want to. Effectively all you will be doing is speeding up a natural process, before your genes make it very difficult or impossible.

If you would prefer, we can discuss this privately using cactusjack1928@hotmail.com.

C.


Soundmanpt 01 Dec 2016, 16:16

please help

The answer to your question about being able to induce real myopia or false myopia depends a lot on you. You're 19 so you could be approaching the age where your eyes soon start to become stable. That generally happens in your early to mid twenties. But if you have been reading past comments in this thread you will see the importance of having your eyes constantly exposed to a stronger prescription then you actually need. You already have what you need to get started. You have contacts and you have glasses. Wearing both of them together would be the same as wearing -2.00 glasses which is about where you want to start. But you seem reluctant about wearing your glasses outside of your house for some reason. Isn't the whole idea of inducing myopia so you will need to wear stronger glasses? Just because your glasses are only -1.00 doesn't mean they are too weak to be worn full time. Also only you and maybe your parents know what the prescription of your glasses are. The average person has no idea how strong your glasses are or how much you need them. I think you still stand a very good chance to induce more myopia than you have now, but even if you for some reason don't you should still be able to wear glasses at least as strong as -2.00 without any problem. I would assume being able to wear stronger glasses is what your mainly wanting anyway?


help please 01 Dec 2016, 09:45

Thanks for the help.

Cactus Jack,

Will i be able to get any real myopia or only false?

My last eye exam was in early October. My next eye exam is scheduled for about in a year or two. Probably two if I don't notice any problems, but I'm hoping to have to go back for new prescription next year. I wish I could get my hands on some -2 contacts but not sure how to do that. Thanks for your help.

What prescription do you think I would be able to reach?


Soundmanpt 30 Nov 2016, 06:46

WantGlasses

Glad to hear that your glasses have arrived. Now that you have your glasses you need to start wearing them on a consistent basis. How well are you able to see with the -1.00 glasses? You're young enough that your eyes shouldn't have any problem with adjusting to your glasses. How does it feel to be wearing real glasses instead of the fake ones? I don't know how much you wore your fake glasses but now that you're going to be wearing glasses full time people may start asking you why you're now wearing glasses all the time? You will just need to convince them that you really like you look wearing your new glasses and that you have gotten so many complements on how nice you look wearing glasses that you really like wearing them. Just be careful if any of your friends want to try your glasses on because i'm sure they will notice that your glasses have prescription lenses in them. As your eyes start adjusting to your glasses you will start to notice that when you take them off at the end of the day or just to clean them things at a distance will be be blurry for a few seconds before going back to normal vision. The more you wear your glasses the longer it will take for your eyes to go back to your normal vision until your eyes don't go back to your normal vision anymore.

If your glasses for any reason aren't comfortable or don't fit quite right you can stop at any optical store including Wal-Mart and have them adjust your glasses for you. They don't charge anything for that and they won't ask an questions either. Now that your going to be wearing your glasses all the time you want them to feel comfortable.


Cactus Jack 29 Nov 2016, 20:19

help please,

Engineering is one of the fields of study that really encourage the development of Myopia. The amount of close work you need to do provides plenty of accommodative stress and you can certainly encourage it if you wish.

However, the fact that you have only developed -1.00 of myopia in approximately 13 years of school does not bode well for significant increases in Axial or True Myopia, which has a very strong genetic component. That does not mean that you can't develop some Pseudo or False Myopia.

The two different types of Myopia have different causes, but the results are the same, you need to wear Minus lenses for good distance vision. The key to Inducing Pseudo Myopia is wearing as much over correction as you can tolerate for as long as possible every day. At 19, you should have plenty of Accommodation Range and plenty of close work to help out.

As Soundmanpt said, all you need to do is start wearing both your contacts and glasses. Few people would notice that you are also wearing contacts under your glasses. You may need to do a little explaining as he suggested, but that will quickly become old news to everyone. Once you start wearing glasses (in addition to the contacts) you can increase the power of either the contacts or glasses with out much comment, provided you keep the same frame. That may require a little planning.

It is much easier to get glasses in almost any prescription, very inexpensively, online. All you need is your prescription, your Pupillary Distance (PD), and a credit card. Many of us have used Zenni Optical. The offer very good quality glasses for a little as US$6.95 plus shipping. The cost of the frame determines the cost of single vision glasses with standard lenses. Shipping is only US$4.95, no matter how many pair of glasses on the same order. There are only a few frames that are $6.95, but they are there, you just have to look around a bit.

It normal for you to be apprehensive about ordering online, but I think that you will be surprised at how easy it is to accomplish your objective. We have been able to help many people Induce Myopia. In doing so, we have learned what works pretty well and what does not.

You asked about how long it will take for your prescription to increase to -2.00. Think you will be very surprised at how soon that can happen. One of the important principles is that you have to wear stronger glasses than your goal. You have the means to be wearing -2.00 by using your glasses and contacts together, right now.

I have a couple of more questions for now.

1. When was your last eye exam?

2. When is the next one planned?

3. What branch of Engineering interests you the most?

Lets get started.

I would like to suggest a small change to the plan for the next few days. I think this will help overcome your apprehension.

1. Start wearing only your glasses for the few days. The suggestion of saying that your contacts are bothering you is a good one. Once everyone has become used to seeing you wearing glasses and you get comfortable wearing them full time.

2. Start wearing your contacts with your glasses.

3. You need to start thinking now, about 3 things.

A. Check out Zenni's offerings and try to find an inexpensive frame that is similar to your present frame.

B. Figure out where you need to have the glasses shipped. Three possibilities are a friends home, a Post Office box, or a private Mail Box.

C. Decide how you are going to pay for the glasses. You need a Credit Card, but you may not want the charge showing up on any credit card bill that your parents may see. There is such a thing as a Prepaid Credit Card. Many banks and reputable stores offer them. Do not confuse Gift Card and Debit Cards with Credit Cards. PayPal may be another possible option. I don't know if Zenni has a PayPal option.

I have given you plenty to digest. Please let me know if any of this seems reasonable. I am sure you have some more questions. If you feel uncomfortable discussing anything publicly, you may contact me at cactusjack1928@hotmail.com

Once you get started increasing your myopia you will wonder why you were so concerned. BTW, the highest anyone has gone with Inducing Myopia started in his late 20s and got to the point where he was reading and studying with -20.00 glasses. He started with about -4.00 of Axial Myopia and it took about 2 years. He was highly motivated. He badly needed to flunk an eye exam and he did. Most of it was Pseudo Myopia, which is not considered "Permanent", but it lasted long enough to accomplish his purpose.

C.


WantGlasses 29 Nov 2016, 19:24

I got my glasses!!


Soundmanpt 29 Nov 2016, 17:24

help please

Since your full prescription does have a slight astigmatism in both eyes i'm certain that your doctor only included the astigmatisms in your glasses and not in your contacts since it is so minor. So you shouldn't have any problem wearing both your contacts and glasses at the same time. I would suggest that tomorrow morning when you get up you should put on your contacts and your glasses as soon as possible. If you don't normally wear your glasses very often you may need to convince your parent's that that your contacts have been bothering your eyes and that is why your wearing glasses now. If you drive a car you may need to take off your glasses at first until your eyes get fully adjusted to your contacts and glasses together. Once your at school continue to wear both your contacts and glasses full time.


help please 29 Nov 2016, 13:14

Likelenses* sorry


help please 29 Nov 2016, 13:12

Cactus Jack and Likeliness

my complete prescription is

right eye -1.00 -0.25 060

left eye -1.00 -0.25 090

and my contacts are both -1.

im in school studying engineering.

i live in america. i would be scared to order online tho because i mostly wear my contacts out of the house, not glasses.

thanks for the help you guys.

how long do you think it will be until i need a stronger prescription? could i get to needing -2 by next year?


Cactus Jack 28 Nov 2016, 22:27

help please,

You should be able to induce some additional Myopia by wearing both your contacts and glasses. If your prescription is Sphere -1.00 in both eyes without any other prescription elements (e.g. Cylinder and Axis) and you have Sphere only -1.00 contacts, you should be able to wear both pretty easily at your age. That would be like wearing -2.00 glasses as Likeliness said.

If the above is correct (I need to know if it is not) there is little need to delay wearing both, provided you are used to wearing contacts. The important thing is to were the combination as much as possible, particularly when reading or using a computer or tablet. If you have trouble reading text on a Smartphone, just lift your glasses.

It would be helpful to know more about you.

1. What is your complete prescription?

2. Are you in school?

3. If so, what are you studying?

4. If not, what is your Occupation?

5. Where do you live? (country)

Even though you are living with your parents, there are ways to order inexpensive glasses online, provided you are a bit creative. Moe about that later.

C.


Likelenses 28 Nov 2016, 20:56

help please

The best thing to do is wear your glasses from the time you get up ,until you go to bed, with no cheating.

Do as much close work,and reading as possible every day,and when you do,hold the reading material as close as you possibly can,and of course be wearing the glasses.Sit as close to the TV,when watching it.

It is also helpful to get in the habit of squinting,especially when looking at things in the distance.

After doing this for about three weeks, then try wearing your glasses over your contacts,and if it is relatively comfortable, repeat the above while wearing both.

After several weeks of doing that you may find that you need stronger glasses,and should then book an exam.


help please 28 Nov 2016, 15:39

Sorry in my previous post I meant I do want them to get a bit worse


help please 28 Nov 2016, 15:38

Hi I have some questions.

Cactus Jack, I have seen you post before maybe you can help me.

I am almost 19 years old. I got my first glasses prescription just over a year ago with a prescription of -0.5 right eye and -0.75 left eye. I got an eye exam a few weeks ago (maybe a month or 2) and my new prescription is -1 in both eyes. I am wondering if my eyes will ever get to -2 or -3? I don't want them to be a bit worse.

Will they get there on their own? How long will it take?

How can I speed this up? I can't order any other glasses online cause I still live with my parents. Is there anything else I can do? Like where my glasses and contacts at the same time when I study or what?

Will they be able to get to -2 in a year or two? Thanks.


Soundmanpt 28 Nov 2016, 14:10

WantGlasses

Just curious if your glasses have arrived yet or not? If not they should be coming any day now. Be sure to watch your e-mail because they usually always send a notice informing you that your glasses have been shipping to you.


Cactus Jack 14 Nov 2016, 07:52

WantGlasses,

Typical delivery is 10 days to 2 weeks. The lab is not in the US. They air freight the orders in bulk to California, I think, and mail them from there. Please let us know when they arrive and you can start wearing them.

C.


WantGlasses 14 Nov 2016, 06:20

I just ordered my glasses. I hot the -1.00 and -2.00 only for now.


Cactus Jack 11 Nov 2016, 23:38

WnatGlasses,

Yes, you have enough information to order now..

If there is a budget issue, you can just start with the -1.00.

I looked under Kids, Teens and there are only a few frames for $6.95. The style number I found was 126255. They obviously would like to sell the more expensive frames, but right now frame style is not very important. The first step is to select the frame. After that, you will ever the prescription you want to order. Read the order carefully and take your time for this first one.

Please ask if you have any questions. They will recommend some options, but you only need the free lens material with 1.50 index. They will recommend the AR coating, but you can specify None at the bottom of the list.

If you get confused you can save your prescription and designate the frame as a favorite. That way you can come back to your order more easily.

Please let us know what you decide to order.

C.


WantGlasses 11 Nov 2016, 22:35

Soundmanpt

I can trust my friends' sister and my firends (not girlfriend, don't know where you got that from). I havd not told anyone, doesn't seem like the thing you tell people. In fact, my friends do not even know, I only told their sister. Yes, I got where Cactus is coming from with the same frame idea. Right now I cannot afford the coating, so I will skip out on that. You guys say it is optional anyways. Can I order now?


Soundmanpt 10 Nov 2016, 15:31

WearGlasses

The advice that Cactus Jack has been providing you is the proper way to go about inducing myopia. You're certainly young enough that wearing the glasses suggested by Cactus Jack should work very well for you and give you the results that you're hoping for.

I do have a tip that should help when you're looking for the glasses you intend to wear. Looking at glasses on line is nice but it can be difficult to know what size glasses fits your face best. If you have some fake glasses that fit you perfectly or if one of your girlfriends have glasses that fit you well then you want to measure them across the front from the far outside left to the far outside right using that same millimeter ruler you used to measure your PD. If you have an average size face then I would think you will find that glasses that are around 128mm - 131mm should be a good fit for you. So when looking at glasses and you find ones you like check the "overall width" and try and stay close to what fits you best. If you are looking at Zenni they have around 800 glasses for under $13.00. If you add the AR coating which I also recommend so you don't glare and reflections from your lenses then your glasses will only be $18.00. If you get the 3 that Cactus jack is suggesting you get with shipping that would add up to $59.00.

Do you understand why Cactus Jack is suggesting that you get the same glasses but with the 3 different prescriptions? Once you get started wearing your -1.00 glasses and then you go to the -2.00 glasses by staying with the exact same frame no one will notice that you're really wearing different glasses except you.

The most important thing is that when you get your glasses that you wear them everyday from the minute you open your eyes until you're ready to close your eyes that night.

The idea of having your glasses sent to your girlfriends house is a good idea but can you trust her not to tell anyone what you're doing? You do know that you don't want people to know what your doing.


Cactus Jack 10 Nov 2016, 14:40

WantGlasses,

The answer to your question is Yes. But first, you need to order some glasses. If your budget allows, I would suggest ordering two or even three pair of glasses one with -1.00, one with -2.00, and one with -3.00 using the same frame, form Zenni.

I would suggest a low cost frame and standard single vision lenses and the low cost Anti-Reflective (AR) coating. The AR coating is not mandatory at this time. If you order more than one pair at a time there is only one shipping charge.

If you are unsure about the ordering procedure, let me know.

If you have questions you would prefer to discuss privately, you can contact me at cactusjack1928@hotmail.com

C.


WantGlasses 10 Nov 2016, 10:31

I got 60 for the pd. I can get my glasses shipped to my friends' sister's place. I wear fake glasses a lot, almost all the time at home. My parents would not notice the difference. They do not wear glasses and know nothing about glasses. I have taken math and science every year, we have to. This year (8th grade) I am in physical science and algebra II. I have a question too. Will I eventually be able make myself cross eyed?


Cactus Jack 09 Nov 2016, 22:58

WantGlasses,

Quite sure. All you need is a credit card (it can even be a valid prepaid card) but first things first. I suggest you go to zennioptical.com and look around. They offer amazingly high quality glasses for as little as $6.95. The frame determine the cost of the glasses. For now you really don't need a designer frame but you need a frame you like, because you will need to order several pairs of glasses with increasing prescriptions and as long as you use the same frame, few people will notice that you are increasing your prescription.

You will need to measure your Pupillary Distance (PD). It is extremely easy to do. There is information on the Zenni site about how to measure PD, but here is what I think is an easier way. You will need a ruler marked in mm and a bathroom mirror.

1. Hold the rule with 0 at the center of your nose.

2. Look at the scale and read the distance in mm from the center of your nose to the center of one of your pupils. Note the distance.

3. Measure the distance from the center of the other pupil to the center of your nose. Add the two together.

4 Repeat steps 1-3, three times and average the distances.

5 Tell me what it is.

Depending on your head size it will probably be between 56 and 64 mm between your two pupils. Do not try to measure the distance from one pupil to the other directly, it will probably not be as accurate as doing each eye independently.

The PD tell the glasses maker where to place the optical center of the lenses in your glasses, so it is important.

With the PD, you actually have enough information to order glasses with the following prescription:

OD (Right Eye) Sphere -1.00

OS (Left Eye) Sphere -1.00

Enter your PD

But don't do it yet. There are several things to consider.

1. Where will you have the glasses shipped?

2. How will you explain the glasses to your parents? (That is much harder than explaining them to your friends)

You might want to consider the very inexpensive Anti-Reflective coating (About $5.00) and shipping will be about $5.00.

What ever you do, you MUST have a plan. Inducing Myopia is not a fast process. It will take a few months before you are ready for an "official" exam and an "official" prescription.

Once you are comfortable with the -1.00 glasses to the point where you don't even notice that you are wearing them, you will be ready to increase the prescription to -2.00. When you are comfortable with -2.00, you increase it to -3.00. After you become comfortable with them, you will be ready for an official eye exam, but let us tell you the type of symptoms you report and where you get the exam.

Please do not try to jump ahead or try to be creative. We have helped many people fulfill their wishes and you need to follow instructions. Failure to follow instructions can lead to a slow down in developing myopia.

I strongly suggest that you do not do anything with prism until you have more experience and understand the nuances involved. It is much more complex than just a simple prescription for Myopia.

May I ask if you have taken any science or math courses in school?

It takes 10 days to 2 weeks to get glasses from Zenni.

While it might be tempting, It would be best to NOT try to borrow someone elses glasses UNLESS you know the actual prescription. At this time, I am operating on the assumption that you do not have any Astigmatism. Glasses to correct Astigmatism have a Cylinder and Axis component. If you do not need Astigmatism, unneeded Cylinder and Axis will make the glasses very uncomfortable to wear and will likely cause headaches when you try to read with them. Reading and studying with your glasses is very important in developing myopia.

C.


WantGlasses 09 Nov 2016, 18:17

Cactus Jack

I am currently 15 years old, but just a bout to turn 16 in a couple of weeks.

I live in America.

I am a high school student.

Where would I order glasses? Are you sure I can do it without actually needing them?

Soundmanpt

I am aware that being cross eyed would probably result in me having double vision, and it is fine by me. I used to have friend that was short sighted, cross eyed and had double vision, but with her (fat) glasses she was able to see one single just fine. I just love the cross eyes look and the glasses they wear look so amazing.


Soundmanpt 09 Nov 2016, 17:20

Wantglasses

I suggest that if you are serious about wanting to war minus glasses that you look back in this thread and you should find more than enough information as to how to get prescription glasses and how to get started. there are plenty of comments from many others in here including Cactus Jack, Likelenses and myself. The idea of attempting to make yourself cross eyed is really a very bad idea. If you become cross eyed almost certainly your you would cause double vision. You should only work on the possibility of making yourself short sighted. Remember no matter what your age is you should at the very least be able to wear prescription glasses with -1.00 lenses even if you aren't able to induce any real myopia.


Cactus Jack 09 Nov 2016, 17:06

Wantglasses,

You are not the first and won't be the last.

We can help, but we need a bit more information.

1. What is your age?

2. Where do you live? (country)

3. What is your occupation? If a student, what is your education level?

If you do not presently wear glasses, you can easily order glasses, on line, without a prescription. The fat kind of lenses are probably PLUS lenses, but those probably won't work. They are used for correcting existing long sightedness and all they will do is make your distance vision blurry. Depending on several factors, you can probably wear MINUS glasses, but you need to start with a low prescription and work up as you get used to wearing them.

C.


 09 Nov 2016, 15:08

if this post doesn't scream FAKE, I don't know what does.


Wantglasses 09 Nov 2016, 14:39

Hi! I am just wondering if someone can help me get glasses. I love glasses, particularly the short sighted ones. I love the way people's eyes look so small in them, and how you can see rings forming on the outsides if the glasses. I have wanted glasses for as long as I can remember. I have always been attracted to them. I remembe always getting so jealous everytime someone in my class got glasses,and getting mad everytime I passed an eye exam and had hear the doctor say, good news your eyes are healthy and you have excelent vision. I have a few fake glasses, but tgat is nit the same. I want real glasses. I want to need them from the second I wake up to the moment I fall asleep everyday. I just REALLY want glasses. I want to struggle seeing, especially that stinking chart. I want to hear a doctir tell me I need glasses. I want people to ask ME if they cantry my glasses on. I want to have to squint. I want to be able to see through my friend's glasses. I want them to say, dang you are blind to me when they try my glasses on. I also really wantvto be cross eyed. It is so unique and cross eyed people tend to have fatter glasses. I want fat glasses. Incase you can't tell I WANT GLASSES. Please help!!


NJ 28 Sep 2016, 11:13

@James: fair points. Myopia has been studied at great lengths, both the genetics and the environmental triggers. Like most aspects of human health and physiology, it's probably a combination of both.

Extreme myopia is connected to several genetic conditions, like Stickler's Syndrome and trisomy 21, often through effects on collagen, but this is probably not related to garden variety myopia that occurs in the bulk of the population.

I'm sure environmental factors play a role, but perhaps only for people already predisposed to myopia. I remember one classmate in college, who was Asian and a -10 myope, said on several occasions that she had been studying so long that her eyes were permanently focused close up. I also recall that her prescription increased several times in college.

I spent more time doing close work than 99% or the population, but I've been a lifelong hyperope. Of course, maybe my hyperopia would have been worse had I not studied so much, who knows?

That said, the claim that older adolescents and adults can become myopic, or significantly increase myopia, by wearing too strong minus glasses, seeing flashes of light, etc., lacks much evidence to support it, especially in people with no predisposition.


James 28 Sep 2016, 07:26

There is plenty of scholarly work on the environmental factors that trigger or induce myopia in humans. Of course, it is framed as a what NOT to do. As with animal studies, these things also relate to growing subjects, so probably none would have any effect on an adult wishing to induce myopia.

Just off the top of my head, I can recall the following:

- using a "night light" i.e. kids not sleeping in absolute darkness;

- insufficient outdoor time for kids, possibly having something to do with not using the developing eyes enough to look into the distance enough;

- linked with the above, doing lots of close work (think hyper-competitive Asian education systems and the explosion of myopia in the last decades in the most educationally competitive countries); and

- blocking off the peripheral vision of developing eyes.

Of course I have stated these very simplistically, and the mechanism by which environmental factors interact with genetic predisposition is still - in 2016 - not understood at all.


NJ 27 Sep 2016, 10:50

Will, there are a couple of things to keep in mind about that article. First, they studied Guinea pigs and not humans. Second, the animal models were developing and growing. Third, and related to the previous point, they were exposed to the cycling lights for a significant part of their youth. Thus, extrapolating this to fully grown humans is meaningless and impractical.

To my knowledge there have been no good scientific studies on inducing myopia in humans, for the obvious reasons. The only studies I know of looked at reducing myopia progression, usually by under-prescribing or wearing bifocals. These studies have not shown anything dramatic, just modest to no change in the progression as compared to control groups. Even a consistent finding that bifocals reduced the progression of myopia would probably convince most ECPs to prescribe them for their pediatric population, especially those with a family history if high myopia.

As much as many of us would like to induce more myopia, there's no evidence that wearing a stronger prescription than needed, or holding books closer to the eyes, will do very much, especially in people who don't have any predisposition to become myopic. I think the only real option is refractive surgery.


Likelenses 25 Sep 2016, 21:14

will

I recall some time ago someone posted an article on this thread about a rotating disc that as I recall had red,and white swirls on it.There was a warning that watching it for even short periods of time would create myopia.

There was no way to make the disc rotate,even though the article said there was.


Cactus Jack 25 Sep 2016, 16:20

will,

I have not heard of that experiment before. There was another experiment, many years ago where they fitted baby chickens with minus glasses and they grew up with myopia. I think the significant factor with the Guinea Pigs was their age.

Flashing lights can induce what is called "Flicker Vertigo" in humans. You occasionally find flickering strobe lights in some entertainment venue that make you feel dizzy and occasionally induce nausea. I don't think most people could tolerate the flickering lights long enough to make any difference in their vision, even if it did.

C.


will 25 Sep 2016, 08:57

Hey everyone,

have you read this article?

http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC3633744

Do you think, it is possible to make this procedure on ourselves?

Since I'm not an english native Speaker, i do not exactly know how the experiment works.

Sorry, if it has been discussed already.


Cactus Jack 23 Sep 2016, 05:07

Taha,

Please check Skype.

C.


Taha 20 Sep 2016, 06:57

Cactus jack,

Sure i will buy a new pair with this prescription as soo as i return to cairo in 2 days ... And thank you 😊 yes, i studied english when i was little and i used to teach english conversation online for a while as well.


Cactus Jack 19 Sep 2016, 14:24

Taha,

That is excellent. I just wanted to be absolutely sure so I could offer accurate suggestions. I suspect that if you wear your new prescription full time for the two weeks, you will not notice that you are even wearing them.

I would like to suggest that it is time to start thinking of your next increase and how you are going to order the glasses. I would suggest the following prescription:

R Sphere -5.25, Cyl -1.00, Axis 177

L Sphere -5.00, Cyl -1.00, Axis 19

When you can tolerate it. You may need to modify the wearing schedule a little when you first start wearing them until your Ciliary Muscles become stronger. I will advise you when you get those glasses.

Remember, that few people notice prescription changes, but almost everyone notices frame style changes.

If you order increasing prescriptions from a local, familiar lab, they may get curious about what you are doing. You need to think about that. One solution is Zenni Optical, if you can order from them.

By the way, your English is excellent. Have you studied English or are you using a translator program?

C.


 19 Sep 2016, 13:16

Cactus jack,

My prescripton is:

R Sphere -3.25, Cyl -1.00, Axis 177

L Sphere -3.00, Cyl -1.00, Axis 19

As for the glasses

R Sphere -4.25, Cyl -1.00, Axis 177

L Sphere -4.00, Cyl -1.00, Axis 19

I can see very clearly with them and i nearly feel no strain on my eye at all though .. Every word is clear on my computer and i can read text every where easily.


Cactus Jack 19 Sep 2016, 07:20

Taha,

Would appreciate the complete prescription. Every element is important.

Some questions.

1. How is your distance vision with them?

2. Are you able to read and use the computer comfortably with them?

C.


Taha 19 Sep 2016, 02:01

Cactus jack,

Yeah they were not the right pair .. I got mine now and i don't really feel bothered at all .. It is perfect and i made sure the prescription is also right


Taha 19 Sep 2016, 00:24

I am going back to the lab right now .. I am pretty sure they must have given me the wrong pair .. Even the frame is a little different than the one i picked ..


Cactus Jack 18 Sep 2016, 16:59

Taha,

What is the complete prescription in those glasses?

C.


Taha 18 Sep 2016, 15:29

Cactus Jack,

I have just recieved my new glasses .... they are not bothering me alot .. but I can't see far away text ....

say i typing on my computer ... I can't see the text clearly when I sit a little far away ... say 70 cm and the font is about 8 .... I can live with it but is that normal ?


Taha 18 Sep 2016, 08:43

Cactus jack,

No, he didn't unfortunately ... he said that the military will give me a proper examination because i should be an officer because I am an engineer.


Cactus Jack 18 Sep 2016, 07:56

Taha,

I suspect that part of your Myopia is Pseudo Myopia. The reason I think that is because your prescription decreased while you were wearing your old glasses. All that means is that you may need to work a bit harder to Induce additional Myopia.

I have another question: Did the examiner dilate your eyes for the very recent exam?

C.


Taha 17 Sep 2016, 08:16

Cactus jack,

Sorry for the late reply, i had my examined today and the doctor found out that my -3.75 eye has improved and is now -3.0 .. I immediatly ordered a -4.25 ,-4.0 glasses the lab was a little surprised by my order as it is not like the prescription but they agreed .. I will recieve my glasses in 30 hours starting now unfortunatly.

I read your paper yes and all your recent posts carefully .. I have a skype username: eng.muhammad.taha

one more thing i wanted to talk about .. I broke my last pair of glasses 4 month ago and i srarted wearing my spare glasses which are about -2.5 ever since ,because back then i didn't know my eyesight can improve or that i can induce myopia .. Do you think maybe that is the reason for the sudden improvement ?

Thank you again for your time


Cactus Jack 15 Sep 2016, 19:56

As I just did.


Cactus Jack 15 Sep 2016, 19:55

Taha,

If your post is acceptable, the "Submit" box background will change to Blue, when you click it. Sometimes it is slow to display your post and you are tempted to click it again. That results in multiple posts.

C.


Cactus Jack 15 Sep 2016, 19:55

Taha,

If your post is acceptable, the "Submit" box background will change to Blue, when you click it. Sometimes it is slow to display your post and you are tempted to click it again. That results in multiple posts.

C.


Cactus Jack 15 Sep 2016, 19:39

Taha,

1. You could, but that will probably not be necessary. The vast majority of Myopia you will induce will be Pseudo or false myopia which will (ideally) slowly resolve back to maybe -5 each eye. I suggest you should not worry about Lasik until there is no risk of anyone changing their mind.

My most successful "client" (also an Mechanical Engineer) started at about -4.00 and was able to work up to the point where he was able wear -20.00 glasses while studying. The military tried all kinds of tricks, surprise eye exams, etc., but while he did not wear the -20s full time, he wore glasses in the -14 to -16 range most of the time. I don't remember the details of our strategy for the actual exams, but the convinced themselves that he was not qualified and gave him an exemption. He ultimately settled back to about -5.00 in each eye.

2. Read the 2nd paragraph in my original reply to you. The military WILL use a very strong dilating agent, when they check your vision, to make sure you are not faking it. The technique that is typically used not intended to produce accurate results. It is fundamentally the "objective" part of an eye exam where the examiner looks into your eyes with an ophthalmoscope or retinoscope, after dilation, to get an estimate of your refractive error. They will skip the second or "subjective" part of an eye exam where you tell the examiner what you see with various lenses, where your actual corrective prescription is determined.

We really need to stay in close contact and you need to follow the suggestions without trying to go too fast. The objective is to first build up your accommodative range by increasing the strength of your Ciliary Muscles. In some ways it is like lifting weights. You don't build muscle strength by trying to initially lift 100 Kg. You do it by starting with 1 Kg weights with lots of repetitions. When the 1 Kg weights get easy, you switch to 2 Kg weights. Same thing here.

One thing you need to do, as soon as you can, is get a dilated exam to make absolutely sure of your actual prescription with dilation. I don't know if that will be possible for your Saturday exam.

Please remember that there are no guarantees that this will work, but it worth a try.

I have a few more questions.

1. Are you noticing any loss of distance acuity with your existing glasses?

2. Do you have Skype?

3. Have you read my piece on "How to study for an eye exam"

Please do not concern yourself about asking me questions. For this to have a possibility of working, we need to converse a lot. It is going require a lot of work and effort on your part.

C.


Taha 15 Sep 2016, 16:05

cactus jack,

thank you so much for all this valuable info.

I have only 2 more questions please:

1- can I use lasik too restore my vision afterwards?

2- I heard the examination at our military is made using some sort of eyedrops and that it is not really accurate ... do you have any info. about this sort of examination?

I will do as you said, it is very easy to get any prescription that i want down here, absolutely no problem at all ... and if i have any further questions I will be sure to contact you ... and I will post any updates on my condition as well .....

I really can't thank you enough for your help :) ... god bless you


Taha 15 Sep 2016, 16:05

cactus jack,

thank you so much for all this valuable info.

I have only 2 more questions please:

1- can I use lasik too restore my vision afterwards?

2- I heard the examination at our military is made using some sort of eyedrops and that it is not really accurate ... do you have any info. about this sort of examination?

I will do as you said, it is very easy to get any prescription that i want down here, absolutely no problem at all ... and if i have any further questions I will be sure to contact you ... and I will post any updates on my condition as well .....

I really can't thank you enough for your help :) ... god bless you


Cactus Jack 14 Sep 2016, 08:37

Taha,

Your old prescription is good enough. It gives me a starting place. I understand the problem.

In some countries, they add the Sphere and Cylinder together to determine eligibility. I don't know about Egypt. Typically, when they do the eye exam for eligibility they use a very powerful dilating agent to temporarily paralyze your Ciliary Muscles, in addition to opening your pupils very wide. That makes the task a bit more difficult at your age, but it won't hurt to try.

We may be able to get you a little "insurance", but you need to be able to get glasses or contact lenses of any power without an official prescription.

There are actually two types of Myopia with two different causes, but the same result. You need corrective lenses. Axial or True Myopia is caused by a mismatch between the total power of your eye's lens system and the length of your eyeball. Axial Myopia is considered permanent because once your eyeball has grown a bit too long, there is no way for it to shrink. To Induce Axial Myopia, you need to encourage your eyeball to grow a bit. That is fundamentally controlled by your genes and once they have turned off the growth process, we don't know for sure how to turn it back on.

Pseudo or False Myopia is caused by the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses having difficulty fully relaxing for distance after focusing close for an extended period. Pseudo Myopia is considered "temporary", but under the right circumstances, "temporary" can be a relatively long time.

The idea behind trying to Induce Myopia is to first cause Pseudo Myopia and the focusing stress from that will stimulate the production of an (suspected, but as yet un-identified and un-proven) Eyeball Growth Hormone (EGH). More about that later.

The first thing you need to do is get some glasses with more MINUS Sphere correction. Never try to alter your Cylinder or Axis correction for Astigmatism, it has a different cause and you cannot compensate for incorrect Cylinder and Axis.

Your present prescription is:

R Sphere -3.25, Cyl -0.75, Axis 170

L Sphere -3.75, Cyl -1.00, Axis 20

I suggest starting with a -1.00 increase in Sphere in both eyes, as soon as you can, which would result in:

R Sphere -4.25, Cyl -0.75, Axis 170

L Sphere -4.75, Cyl -1.00, Axis 20

You will need to wear them full time. Initially, you may have some mild discomfort wearing them for close focusing, but that will go away as your Ciliary Muscles get used to the additional accommodation. When you get comfortable with that prescription, you will need to increase the Sphere some more. You will be changing your glasses prescription much more often than usual to maintain the focusing stress. The trick is to keep the same frame style (preferably inexpensive) throughout the process. The reason for doing this is that most people don't notice your actual prescription, but the do notice changes in frame style.

A good source of inexpensive glasses is Zenni Optical, but I don't know if you can order from them, where you live.

I suggest reviewing this paper: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/scenario/labman3/eye.htm

to give you a better idea about the physiological and optical principles involved.

Sir Isaac Newton's principles of optics that you probably leaned in Physics will also com in handy.

Please let me know if you have any problems understanding any of this or if you have any difficulty doing it. If you wish to contact me privately you can do so at cactusjack1928@hotmail.com or on the Vision and Spex website.

C.


Taha 14 Sep 2016, 04:47

thank you for the quick reply cactus jack :) ... unfortunately I can't get my new prescription until next saturday ... I had my last prescription about 2 years ago and my doctor said that my eyesight has stabalized and I didn't feel like i needed any other glasses since then.

I am from Egypt and if my eye sight is not -4 at least before I graduate, then I will waste about 3-4 years of my life at the military doing nothing useful ... so getting the -4 is like saving my future now ...

sorry for the long long post :D ... here is my old prescription

http://imgur.com/a/gv3as

... I will upload the new one as soon as I can ... thank you very much for the help ... you are lifesavers literally :)


Cactus Jack 13 Sep 2016, 09:18

Taha,

Yes, but you need to get started as soon as you can.

Can you provide your complete prescription? You will need to start wearing glasses that have significantly more MINUS than you are presently wearing, but you need to do it the right way.

I have been able to help others with similar needs.

C.


Taha 13 Sep 2016, 06:27

Hello,

I am taha ..I am a mechanical engineering student .. I spend most of my time in front of a computer screen .. I am almost 24 years old .. My eyesight is -3.75 , -3.25 ... i need to make my eyes -4.0 .. At least one eye a year from now ... Is there a good chance i can do this .. I will be grateful if i can get any advice .. This is really urgent


Soundmanpt 11 Sep 2016, 10:04

Serge

Great question! But I really don't think there is any chance that you can induce any myopia at this stage of life. Now you didn't say when you started needing glasses again. Also I am curious if you got an increase at your most recent eye exam? It's interesting how many people pay lots of good money for lasik and then after a few years of being glasses free decide they want to wear glasses again. Several years ago a rather good friend that just happened to be an optician as well as manager of an optical store did just that. She was working at another optical store at the time and she had a prescription of -5.00 ish with astigmatism. In her younger years she had abused the use of contact lenses and could no longer wear them. She got the chance to get lasik for a greatly reduced price and had it done. The result was that she was able to see better than 20/10. After about 5 years of being glasses free and still having 20/15 vision she told me that she really missed wearing glasses. Not long afterwards she managed to convince her doctor that she was having issues with driving at night and he gave in and prescribed her -.50 glasses for night driving. Of course her intent was to wear her glasses full time which she did. 3 years later her vision was still good at 20/40 and that is even after having a baby. This was all before she was 30 years old.


Cactus Jack 11 Sep 2016, 09:38

Serge,

You are much too old to be able to induce any True Myopia. You might be able to Induce some Pseudo Myopia, but at 41, presbyopia may make that difficult.

You can certainly wear glasses with your current prescription and maybe a little stronger. Maybe -1.50 and -1.25 or -1.75 and -1.50.

May I as your prescription after Lasik?

C.


Serge 11 Sep 2016, 07:17

Hi, I had a Lasik operation back in 1999 when I was 24. My prescription was -4,75 and -4,25. Recently I had an eye test, the result was -1,25 amd -1. Would it be possible to induce some additional myopia wearing glasses fulltime, or should I wear them only for cinema etc?


Soundmanpt 10 Sep 2016, 10:17

I just went back and re read your first post and I see now that you don't glasses that are -1.50 but instead you were wearing contacts that were -1.50. But for whatever reason you didn't keep up wearing them. Why did you stop wearing them? So I have several questions concerning your use of contacts. First of all I assume you must have gotten the contacts from a friend? Ho long in terms of days did you wear them and how long each day? How well were you able to see with them? I would assume when you first put them on they felt a little strong for your eyes but after you had them on for a while your eyes adjusted to them? Were you able to read things close up okay with the contacts on? If you were to order glasses on line would your eyes be okay with -1.50 lenses or based on the contacts would your eyes be more comfortable with starting off with weaker glasses like maybe -1.00?


Soundmanpt 09 Sep 2016, 17:26

Emma

First of all trying to make your eyes nearsighted so you need to wear glasses is a decision that only you can make. If you are successful at becoming nearsighted it would be permanent and the only option to return to perfect vision would be lasik. But actually because of your age being 27 the chances of you becoming myopic are not really very good. Now I never want to say that it's not possible for you manage some change in your eyesight but just not very likely. And if you want to reduce the odds even more all you need to do is only wear your glasses about 75% to 80% of the time. If you go back in this thread and read about others that have wanted to "induce myopia" the main thing is the importance of wearing your glasses from the minute you open your eyes in the morning until you close them for bed that night. Anything less will make it far less possible to induce any myopia at all. If you have perfect eyesight now and chances are you won't be needing glasses to correct nearsightedness when you get older. But you can expect to start needing glasses for reading anytime after you reach 40. But I think what you're really wanting is feeling that you really need glasses to see distances. And that was what I was trying to tell you in my last post. If you like the glasses that you bought with the -1.50 lenses and your able to see with them perfectly not only for distance but close up as well then you should probably just make those your glasses and start wearing them as such. Your eyes will adjust to them and your eyes will actually be using the prescription of the lenses to see things. You will clearly notice the difference anytime you take your glasses because everything will be quite blurry for several minutes before your eyes slowly return to normal. The nice thing for you since you seemed concerned about permanent damage to your eyesight is that you should be able to wear those glasses without doing any harm to your real eyesight. But again you can expect that if you wear your glasses for several hours then take them off things will be blurry until your eyes return to normal.


Emma 09 Sep 2016, 16:12

Is it bad I want to be shortsighted? There's a lot of people that being shortsighted and I'm lucky to be ok. If I start wearing the the glasses would I always have to wear them like would my eyes get shortsighted and allyway need them? What prescription could I get too in a few years? Or is there a chance I will get shortsighted when I get older?

Yes I have a aunti who is shortsighted and some cousins that wear glasses for driving


Soundmanpt 08 Sep 2016, 21:41

Emma

I agree with Cactus Jack that at the age of 27 it is probably too late for you ever become myopic. But it seems that what you really are wanting is to be wearing real glasses with prescription lenses as opposed to glasses with no prescription in them. I totally get that you would find them boring to wear. But you have 2 options. One is since you already have glasses that you ordered that are -1.50 which is really a nice decent prescription for your eyes as long as your eyes are able to tolerate the the prescription okay. You could start wearing them tomorrow if you wanted to. The other option is to do like Cactus Jack suggested and that is to go on line to someplace like "zennioptical.com" and order 2 pairs exactly alike but with 2 different prescriptions. Either way the first step is for you to start maybe mentioning to all your friends and co workers that you got your eyes checked and that you're going to be wearing glasses as soon as they come in. That way you can already be wearing them around the house to get used to them as well as your eyes adjusting to them. Them after 4 or 5 days just get get up one morning and put your glasses on and head to work. Even though you really want to wear glasses it's not at all surprising for you to be a little bit scared wearing glasses in public for the firs time. But trust me by telling people in advance that your getting glasses will make it so much easier when you start wearing them and try and think about how you reacted when someone you know got their first glasses. All that is going to happen is that your sure to get tons of complements on how good you look wearing glasses and many of the women will want to try them on. You will be the center of attention for about 10 minutes until everyone goes back to work and that will be the end of it. From then on everyone is just going to expect to see you wearing glasses.

Oh and your glasses will be functional. Your eyes will adjust to your glasses the same as if you really needed them. And you can expect that anytime you take them off things will be blurry for at least several minutes without your glasses until your own natural eyesight slowly returns.


Cactus Jack 04 Sep 2016, 08:38

Emma,

Here is some good news and some bad news. At 27, you probably cannot induce any Axial or True Myopia. However, you probably CAN induce some Pseudo or False Myopia. The two different types of Myopia have different causes, but the effects are the same, you need to wear MINUS glasses to correct either type.

Based on the results of your eye exam, I am going to assume that you don't have enough Astigmatism to be a problem. Also, you mentioned having some -1.50 glasses.

The first step is to wind up with two pair of glasses with identical frames. You don't want to spend very much money, because you will be wearing them for only a short time. The lowest cost glasses from Zenni (US$6.95) or other online retailer would be ideal. Because of your age, you should be able to get used to wearing the -1.50 glasses in just a few weeks and be ready to move up to -2.50. By having identical frames, very few people will notice the increase. The important thing is to start off wearing the -1.50 glasses full time, when you are awake.

It is natural to be concerned about appearing in public with glasses. In reality, it is no different than getting a new hair style or a new outfit. The comments will only last for a few days. You should not offer any kind of explanation other than you had noticed that you were having trouble reading distant signs or menu boards. You don't need to and should NOT over state by saying that you are "blind" without your glasses. Even people with very high minus prescription are NOT "blind" without their glasses. If you want to get an idea about what it is like to be Nearsighted and need MINUS glasses, try on some different power Over-the-Counter (OTC) Reading Glasses. Wearing +1.50 reading glasses has the same optical effect as needing -1.50 glasses.

Here are a few more questions:

1. What is your occupation?

2. Where do you live? (country)

3. Do any of your close relatives wear minus glasses?

Hope this helps.

C.


Emma 04 Sep 2016, 01:48

Now I'm 27 so if I stuck wearing the contacts and then glasses I would be nearsighted and blind without them now. I wasn't sure what people would say if they seen me wearing glasses probably to shy. But now I don't care because lots people wear glasses and they look good if your nearsighted.


Likelenses 02 Sep 2016, 19:22

Emma

If you want to wear glasses for shortsightedness,wear glasses rather than contacts.

Why did you give up on the -1.50 glasses?


Cactus jack 02 Sep 2016, 05:57

Emma,

Creating Myopia is what this thread is all about. There are several factors that influence your ability to Induce Myopia, but the most important for now is your age.

There will be come more questions after you provide your age.

C.


Emma  02 Sep 2016, 00:57

I've wanted to wear glasses for a few years now. I bought a pair from a opticians with clear lenses but they boring. I went to the opticians had a eye test and I don't need glasses. I know this is really stupid but i want to be shortsighted. People say it's horrible to be shortsighted but I like the way glasses look. Should I wear contacts to start my eyes getting shortsighted I once wore -1.50 lenses but didn't keep it up


Soundmanpt 20 Aug 2016, 10:48

Courtney

I just noticed that I made a mistake in my post. (I know hard to believe that I would make a mistake) Anyway near the bottom it should have said that changing your lenses would be done at NO cost to you.

So I assume you were at least happy because I know you mentioned once about a frame that you had your eye on and you must have really liked them because you even said that you might go full time glasses and not bother with contacts anymore. So it would be nice if you could also get the lenses made in -3.25 which you were already wearing comfortably. I'm sure if you go back complaining nicely that your glasses seem too weak and that you just aren't seeing as well as you were with your partners glasses they will go ahead and increase your glasses.


 20 Aug 2016, 05:19

interesting how all the "new" and "suddenly returned" people have all posted their messages two or three times each. i would almost think it's all the same person who can't figure out how to properly post...

naaaaaaa who would go schizoid psycho and post as multiple characters here?


Cactus Jack 19 Aug 2016, 18:34

CJB,

Haven't heard from you in a while. How are you getting along?

C.


Soundmanpt 19 Aug 2016, 16:50

Courtney

Okay so I see that you took my advice and wore your -3.25 glasses that you bought on line but told the doctor that you were borrowing your partners glasses. And they provided you wi