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Soundmanpt 26 May 2017, 10:38


I'm sure the past few days have been a real adjusting period for both of you getting used to seeing each other wearing glasses. That's why she was insisting on you wearing your glasses more often as well so she wouldn't be the only one that would be looking different. You seem a bit surprised that she is wearing her glasses nonstop and even wearing them when you go running together. Even though she has only had her glasses few days when she takes her glasses off now she really can't see well enough even to go running without her glasses anymore. She first now is getting used to how blurry her vision really is. She never noticed it until she got her glasses. Now she doesn't want to be without them. This is much different for her then when you first got glasses. When you got your first glasses they were only -1.00 / -.50 so you could still see pretty well without glasses because when you were looking at something at a distance you were really only using your -.50 eye which barley needed correction. Her being -1.75 right away she isn't able to clearly more than a couple feet in front of her without glasses anymore. That's a big change for her. So for you all you're trying to do is readjust to wearing glasses instead of contacts which since you normally didn't wear glasses much does take a little re getting used to. But she is getting used to wearing glasses for the first time in her life and at the same time having her eyes adjust to seeing with glasses. Your girl has shown quite a good bit of self confidence about wearing lasses but she clearly was as confident about going to dinner with her parents and younger sister wearing glasses. That's why and when she needed your support and you gave her the support that she needed. Your advice to her was completely right when she was deciding whether to take her glasses off when going in and putting them on later on in the evening once she had told them that she had gotten glasses. She would have been miserable because her eyes have adjusted enough now that everything would have been so blurry for her and she might nit have been able to get up enough nerve to finally tell them that she got glasses. The best way was for her to simply go in wearing her glasses and be done with it which is what she did. Like you told her i'm sure her parents and sister gave her plenty of complements on her glasses and how nice she looks wearing glasses. I'm sure they were probably surprised to see her wearing glasses when she came in. But that would be expected since she didn't tell them that she was getting or had got glasses. That might have made it easier for her if she had called he mom the day she got her glasses and told her. Then they would have expected to see her wearing glasses. So what did her parents have to say and were they surprised to see her and you wearing glasses? She is really going to enjoy going to the baseball game now that she has her own glasses. I wonder how many games she already went to and couldn't even see the scoreboard let alone the ball in play. Even squinting wouldn't have helped her for either of those things. I have a feeling she will be doing a lot of testing her eyes by trying to see things without her glasses just to compare the difference. Actually since you both have nearly the same prescription you will already know what she is able to see and not see.

You seem determined to want to return to wearing contacts and that of course is between you and your girlfriend. I think she is going to be very disappointed if you go back to wearing contacts instead of glasses. Even more so since she in a way paid for glasses for you because it meant that much to her. One thing I would say is maybe hold out long enough that she is completely comfortable wearing glasses and completely self confident.

She probably would have liked for you to be with her too when she went to pick up her glasses so you could have maybe asked some questions that she wouldn't know to ask. But i'm sure sh understood that you had to be at your job. The only thing you might have helped her with is making sure that when they were fitting her glasses for her that they were doing a good job fitting her. Now that she has had her glasses a few days have you noticed her not fiddling with them as much as the first day or two? From what you can tell are her glasses staying in place pretty well? I mean she isn't having push them up every couple minutes is she? Aside from the first day when she said they hurt her nose a little bit but that went away later that same day. Has she said anything about her glasses hurting behind her ears or anywhere else? Does she seem like she is getting more and more comfortable wearing glasses? I'm sure you have asked her how her glasses feel on her? If she says anything about behind her ears check and see if there are any red sore marks behind her ears caused by the earpieces of her glasses. If so she needs to get them adjusted before the sores get worse. It's perfectly normal that her vision seems much more blurry now when she takes off her glasses than it was before she got glasses. That's because her eyes are slowly getting fully adjusted to the prescription of her glasses. You often hear people claim that getting glasses caused their eyes to get worse but that's not the case it's just the eyes adjusting to their glasses. Like I said before it's very likely that she won't make it a full year before she needs an increase in her glasses because she probably was under prescribed with her current glasses. But I don't think you should mention that to her. Lastly has she looked anymore at glasses on line? Even though she just got her glasses because she needs them full time and she is showing signs that she is quickly going to be dependent on her glasses she really needs to consider getting a backup or spare pair in case something were to happen to her glasses. Right now if something were to happen to her glasses she would be in trouble because there is no way she could see to drive anymore and even doing her job might be impossible for her without glasses now. And she can't wear regular no prescription sunglasses anymore so if you have the same seats at the ballgame if the sun bothered her enough that she even borrowed your sunglasses to watch the game she may have to let you wear your contacts so she can again wear your prescription sunglasses again. So she should be considering rx sunglasses as well.

Soundmanpt 26 May 2017, 09:02

new wearer

You simply discovered that you needed glasses like so many tend to do, by trying on a friends glasses. in answer to your question when you were trying on your gfs glasses they were just a little bit stronger than your eyes required. In other words her glasses were over correcting your eyes. But even being over corrected you were still able to see better wearing her glasses than you were able to see without any glasses. By being over corrected that is why even though everything looked nice sharp and clear to you things appeared smaller. now that you have your own glasses in the prescription that your eyes actually need your still seeing everything clear and sharp only now your seeing everything I their actual size. If you had continued wearing your gfs glasses after a wearing them for a while your eyes most likely would have adjusted to them and things wouldn't have looked small anymore.

new wearer 26 May 2017, 08:17

I've never needed glasses but enjoyed wearing my gf's around the house. When putting them on everything got sharper and smaller. When I tried a stronger pair, things got even smaller. When she went for her recent exam I tagged along, and got my own prescription, for the first time, of -.75. When I put them on I was surprised that they made my vision so sharp, but also seem to make things a bit bigger. Does it make sense that proper glasses magnified and too strong made things smaller?

Soundmanpt 26 May 2017, 07:19


You and your, at the time, girlfriend had to be quite shocked the first time you put on your glasses? Much like David's girlfriend. David's first glasses. -1.00 / -.50, was what most get for a first prescription so of course his glasses changed how he saw things but not as much as his girlfriends -1.75 or you and your partner at -2.50 and -1.50. For you and your wife both being prescribed glasses it had to make it a bit easier adjusting getting used to wearing glasses in front of friends, family and co workers. You really had each other as your support team to lean on. If only one of you had needed glasses i wonder how much that might have changed things for either of you? This is only my opinion but I think it is much harder for a woman and even more so if she is younger, to suddenly become a full time glasses wearer. Looks I believe is far more important to a woman than most men. I base this on how women often take hours to get ready and a man can be ready in half and hour. But after they have wore their glasses and got used to seeing themself in glasses they often begin to feel just as beautiful wearing glasses as they did before they had glasses to wear. I have a feeling that your wife now prefers how she looks wearing glasses more than she likes seeing herself without glasses anymore. If she didn't like wearing her glasses all the time i'm thinking she would also be wearing contacts. Interesting how wearing glasses even changed your personalities. Because now that you were both wearing glasses your friends thought you had a more professional or academic look you both actually became more serious minded as well.

Rob 26 May 2017, 05:45

Hi David, we decided to get our eyes tested because we used to commute home together, and there was one day where neither of us could read the train departure boards. When we got our glasses, we both settled upon a then-fashionable rimless style, which meant they both looked almost identical. I didn't think this was a problem until people started posting photos from our friend's wedding on Facebook! I think my girlfriend adapted quicker to being a full-time wearer than I did (she seemed to love the novelty of having a new look). In the first few days, our friends kept on telling us the glasses made us look more "professional" or "academic". Am sure this subconsciously seeped through into our personalities and the way we acted - within a year we definitely became more 'serious' people (i.e. less messing around).

David 25 May 2017, 15:09

My girlfriend and I have been wearing our glasses for the past couple of days and its been a bit of an adjustment for both of us. We are both having to get used to not only wearing glasses but seeing each other in glasses which was a bit strange at first. My girlfriend has been wearing her glasses nonstop since she picked them up on Monday morning, in fact she has even been wearing them when we go running. I have no idea how she manages to keep them clean and prevent them from fogging up, I was never able to feel comfortable wearing glasses while working out so I always wear my contacts for running or going to the gym. She is still absolutely in love with her new found eyesight and even after a few days she will point out to me signs that she couldn't read without her glasses. It's pretty funny to me as I'm sure that I did the same thing when I got my first pair of glasses because I still remember what it was like to suddenly be able to see clearly again. I actually think that she has adjusted to wearing glasses quicker than I have. I think the reason for this is probably because she can now see much better than before whereas I was already able to see perfectly with my contacts so switching to glasses is a bit more of a hassle/annoyance for me, but for her wearing glasses is a huge convenience and benefit. My girlfriend seems to really enjoy wearing her glasses and loves how she looks in them but I think she is still a bit self conscious about wearing them sometimes. Yesterday we met up with her parents and younger sister for dinner and she hadn't shown them her glasses yet. My girlfriend is usually very confident and outgoing but as we were pulling into the parking lot she was getting a bit nervous and kept playing with her glasses and asking how they looked on her. She was debating whether or not she should take them off at first and then put them on later once she had told them that she got glasses. I told her that they would be complementary anyways so there would be no point in walking around with blurry vision for part of the night. We have plans to go to another baseball game next Wednesday and we have similar seats but this time it will probably be a bit more enjoyable for my girlfriend with her new glasses.


That is a pretty similar experience, especially like you said showing our glasses to family/friends. My family knows that I wear glasses and contacts but like I said it was a bit difficult and strange for my girlfriend to show up to dinner with her family wearing glasses all of a sudden. I'm still deciding whether to go back to contacts as my everyday choice, they are convenient when working out or driving but my girlfriend keeps trying to talk me into sticking with glasses. What made you and your wife decide to get your eyes tested initially?


My girlfriend was also really happy that her glasses were ready to be picked up before work. The whole night before she kept telling me that she couldn't wait to pick them up. I kind of wish that I was there with her when she picked them up to see her reaction to putting them on but unfortunately I had to work as well. We did go and pick up some cleaning supplies for our glasses since we are both adjusting to wearing glasses and smudges and dust on the lenses drives both of us nuts. Thanks for the tips, especially not closing the hinges at night. I would always fold them up and put them in the case and I used to have terrible problems with screws falling out so it may have been due to this. I also liked to play with my glasses during class so that may have been part of it too lol. Also, my girlfriend has mentioned that after a few days of wearing her glasses that everything looks a whole lot more blurry without them just like you said. As for her new appearance, sure she looks different than before but she chose the perfect pair to complement her face and I think that they make her look even cuter and sexier than before. Now that I'm wearing glasses instead of contacts I think we are both getting used to seeing each other in glasses but it is kind of a cool experience for both of us.

Rob 25 May 2017, 01:01

She started on -2.50 back in 2007 and is now -3.50. As for me, I began on -1.50 and am now -2.50

Rob 25 May 2017, 01:01

She started on -2.50 back in 2007 and is now -3.50. As for me, I began on -1.50 and am now -2.50

Sam 24 May 2017, 19:50

Rob, what was/is your wife's prescription?

My girl is a -6.50, I'm a lucky guy!

Rob 24 May 2017, 07:45

Hey David, your situation is very similar to the experiences of my girlfriend (now wife) and I 10 years ago. We both visited the opticians for a check-up and were prescribed glasses. We both decided to bite the bullet and go full-time (her prescription was stronger than mine). Reinventing our look and identity at the same time was a very strange (but exciting) experience. The strangest thing was coming out to our friends/family as a glasses-wearing couple. I remember we attended a wedding not long afterwards, where we were the only glasses-wearers under 30. I lapsed into contacts around five years later, but my wife still wears her specs all the time

Soundmanpt 23 May 2017, 09:42


It was good that they had her glasses ready so she was was able to pick them up on her way to work. I was a bit afraid that they might not be ready until later in the day and she wouldn't be able to get her glasses until after work. Without a doubt i'm sure everything looked so bright, clear and sharp to her as soon as she put her glasses on. It really helps that she is only nearsighted and doesn't have any astigmatism issues to deal with. Even though she seems completely fine with wearing glasses she still has to get used to wearing glasses At first she is going to notice them more. She has to get used to the way they feel behind her ears and on her nose which she admitted bothered her a bit. And more importantly looking through lenses in front of her eyes is completely new to her. So she is going to notice every tiny little smudge or fingerprint on her lenses. I'm sure she probably cleaned her glasses quite a few times during the her first day wearing glasses which is very normal. Also i'm sure she is still testing her vision with and without her glasses Because her monitor sits far enough away from her eyes i'm not at all surprised that her glasses will make her job easier and she won't be straining as much to see her screen. Getting a box of cleaning wipes is a good idea but as she gets more used to wearing glasses she probably won't be cleaning her glasses all that much. Right now she is forgetting that she is wearing glasses when she is wiping or brushing her eye and she's smudging the lens of he glasses. And she might even be without thinking fiddling a bit with her glasses. The more she gets used to wearing glasses the less she will be cleaning them. But for now having a few in her bag is probably a good idea. As far as tips about wearing glasses I only have a few for both of you. When cleaning your glasses never use anything made from paper such as paper towels, tissues, toilet paper, or rough clothing. Use the micro cloth that should have come with your glasses or a very soft cloth. Warm water is good for cleaning your glasses. Never use window cleaner either. When you take off your glasses never lay them down on the lenses. At bedtime since you both need your glasses full time it is a better idea to leave your glasses open and sitting on the bedside table than closing them. The more you open and close glasses the faster the hinge screws will loosen.

You clearly seem to prefer wearing contacts which would be fine if your girlfriend wasn't going to be wearing glasses full time from now on. Before she found out that she needed glasses she was fine with you wearing contacts all the time. But now she clearly wants you to wear your glasses as well. She needs to know that you really are okay with her having to wear glasses now. So you should really make sure to wear your glasses anytime that you're going to be with her. When your out with the guys or at work and you want to wear contacts that's fine. Interesting that she even wanted to drive when you when went out that evening and even more interesting since it was at night which i;m sure was extremely difficulty for her before she got her glasses. Now she was excited to see just how well she could see with her new glasses. She only probably hated driving because she couldn't see very well and she didn't realize that it was because of her eyes. So I think you will find that she might start driving more often now that she cane see.

After wearing her glasses all day i'm sure that by that evening when she took off her glasses everything was a lot more blurry without her glasses than it ever was before. That;s because her eyes were already starting to get adjusted to her glasses. After a few days of wearing glasses she is going to wonder how she was able to get by without glasses. She will be seeing nearly the same as you see without your glasses now. So yes she is going to feel half blind when she takes off her glasses. I'm sure her co workers were a bit surprised to to see her wearing glasses when she came into work. But i bet they all knew it was just a matte of time before she would also be wearing glasses. Since all of her co workers wear glasses and also need them full time she isn't the odd one out anymore. I'm sure she enjoyed all the complements she got on how she looks wearing glasses now. Was it strange sitting at dinner across from your girlfriend and seeing her wearing glasses now? I'm sure she looked different to you since you have never seen her wearing glasses before. Just understand even though she seems fine wearing glasses i'm sure she is still getting used to seeing herself wearing glasses which has to seem very strange for her as well as you. But she will get used to her new look and hopefully you will get used to her new look as well. Remember you're her boyfriend so you will still get to see her without her glasses.

ahve a few for both of you.

ric 23 May 2017, 00:10

Megan, i can get enough accuity for driving. With contact lenses can get 20 20.

NNVisitor 22 May 2017, 21:54


My prescription is close to yours but I have astigmatism as well. I cannot see 20/20 with glasses. I've had problems with distortion wearing my glasses which translates into not having real peripheral vision with them. I wear mostly contact lenses and with them usually see 20/20 or close to it. Peripheral vision is great with my CL although I frequently get flashes off the edges due to pupil size changes and the movement of the lenses on my eyes as they are gas permeable lenses. You are very lucky to see 20/20 with your glasses.

David 22 May 2017, 20:16

My girlfriend got the call from the optometrist that her glasses were ready this morning and picked them up on the way to work. She called me immediately after she picked them up saying that it was amazing how clearly she was able to see. She mentioned that she would have to get used to wearing them but that she really enjoyed the clarity that they provided. She also let me know that my glasses were ready as well, I guess they put a rush order on my pair too, and that she had picked them up for me. When she got back from work she was wearing her new glasses couldn't wait to show me how they looked on her. I told her that she looked amazing in glasses and that they were the perfect compliment to her outfit. She seemed really happy and then she gave me my glasses that she had picked up earlier. I took out my contacts and tried them on to make sure the prescription was correct and they fit properly. My girlfriend then asked if I could keep them on when we went out for dinner instead of switching back to my contacts which of course I did. She kept talking about how great it was to be able to see properly and that she was comparing her vision with her glasses and without her glasses all day. She even said that it made her job easier and that she was getting less strain from staring at her screen all day. I asked how she was doing adjusting to her glasses and if she had kept them on all day. She told me that she did keep them on all day and that at first they were a little annoying and she could feel the pressure on her nose but around lunchtime she was already starting to get used to wearing them. She did mention that she needed to buy cleaning wipes since she kept accidentally touching the lenses when drawing and the smudges were distracting. She asked if I had any tips for wearing glasses but I've been wearing contacts for so long and even when I did wear glasses it was only for a few months before I switched to contacts. I joked that I would probably have the same issues and things to adapt to if I started to wear glasses more often. She seemed really intent on getting me to wear my new glasses more and said that she was really attracted to how I look with my new glasses on. When we went out for dinner she wanted to drive to test out her new glasses at night which I thought was funny since she always used to complain about having to drive anywhere. I think that it will probably take some getting used to for both of us but I feel like this experience has brought us even closer together.


We were also surprised that her vision was that bad and that she ended up with -1.75 as her first ever prescription. I was sure that she needed glasses but thought she would have been more around 20/40 or 20/50, closer to what I was when I got my first pair. When the doctor said that she was seeing 20/80 uncorrected and would to wear a -1.75 prescription full time I think I was probably more surprised than she was. After she got back from work she mentioned that after wearing her glasses all day everything seemed so much blurrier without them and that she had never realized how fuzzy everything normally was. Also, she didn't seem too upset that the BOGO offer didn't cover prescription sunglasses. She had been looking at glasses for me while trying on her frames and once she found out that sunglasses weren't covered I think she saw it as a chance to accessorize me too lol. I didn't have to have an exam since I had just had one about a month ago and I actually had a copy of my prescription in the car for some reason, I guess I forgot to take it out, and they were able to use that to order my glasses. She had mentioned that she was the only graphic designer at her company that didn't have glasses and now all five of them wear glasses and all of them need them all the time. She also mentioned that her co-workers were really supportive and complimented her glasses when she got into work. She hadn't told anyone since she just found out that she needed glasses so nobody was expecting it but they gave her nothing but compliments. So I think that you are probably right that her work has had the biggest impact on her vision since she hadn't started work yet when she renewed her license a few years ago. I really like the way she looks in her new glasses and I'm going to be as supportive as I can, I'm even going to switch from contacts to glasses for a time while she gets comfortable and confident with her glasses. She has mentioned how she thinks I look great in glasses too so I may end up not switching back to contacts depending on what my girlfriend thinks lol.

Cactus Jack 22 May 2017, 19:55


You really did not provide enough information to answer your question. If you could answer the following questions, we might be able give you some answers:

1. Your Age?

2. Your Occupation?

3. Your Complete Prescription?

4. When was your last eye exam?


Cactus Jack 22 May 2017, 19:49


It depends on several factors. The condition of her Retinas, her, Complete Prescription, and what form of vision correction she needs.

Many times a person who was born very Myopic has quite a bit of Astigmatism and she could have some Retinal issues or internal Lens issues,as well.

If her ONLY refractive error was pure Sphere and her Visual Acuity decrease was only while wearing glasses, it is possible that image minification is the issue. Image Minification is cause by Vertex Distance effects. Normally, there are about 120 million Rods and Cones in the Retina, but only about 1 million nerve fibers in the optic nerve. That means that the Retina must compress the signals from the Rods and Cones and if a image element gets too small. It may not stimulate enough Rods and Cones to cause a signal to be delivered to the Visual Cortex in the brain. Vision actually occurs in the brain and if no signal gets delivered you can't "see" the object.

If she can wear contact lenses, that might help some because they significantly reduce the Image Minification effects because the Vertex Distance is Zero (0).

BTW, Vertex Distance is the distance from the front of the Cornea to the Back of the Lens in the glasses.

Will you get as Myopic as your friend or not be able to see 20/20? It depends on your age and your genes. If you could provide your age and complete prescription we might be able to give you a better answer.


Megan 22 May 2017, 17:37

Can you see 20/20 with extreme myopia? Something like -18.25/-19.00?

My friend has that prescription. She was born with -12 and has been wearing glasses since she was 4 months old. She can't see 20/20 unfortunately.

I got my first glasses at 5 or 6 (I think they were -2) and I'm now -9.75 and -10.50 but I can still see 20/20 (no peripheral vision with glasses though).

Will I stop seeing 20/20 soon?

Elle 22 May 2017, 13:31

Is there some way to stop getting shortsighted or no? I think i got shortsighted when I started using a smart phone and computer. Is it better to wear glasses when looking at the screen. We all spend too much time looking at our phones now no

ric 22 May 2017, 09:34

Being nearsighted, used to be able to read without my glasses or contact lenses. Now, of course i have to put the book much more closer than in my teens. Since 2 years ago, had to start wearing multifocal contact lenses for computer, phone, etc, but wearing glasses i can read small prints just sliding my glasses 2 mm.

NNVisitor 21 May 2017, 11:29

Cactus Jack

I have high myopia and astigmatism. I typically wear contact lenses most of the day and use reading glasses when needed for books, reading on my cell phone etc. while my contacts are in. When my contacts are out I have my primary glasses. For reading I either use a magnifying glass for small print reading or just take my glasses off. Doing so means reading very close for me. I'm decades older than the lady I mentioned. Usually I see younger people just wearing their glasses reading. It's not always necessary to do so. Personnaly I think this woman was correct not to use the computer wearing her glasses as nearsighted people do have that one advantage of being able to see things close up.

Cactus Jack 21 May 2017, 10:06


It is not uncommon to see a person who has low Myopia and little or no Astigmatism to take off their glasses for close work. In the low minus region, where Vertex Distance effects are nil, a persons "eye power" is the opposite of their glasses prescription for distance. For example, if a person needs -1.50 for distance their "eye power" is +1.50, which yields a focus distance of about 66 cm or 26 inches. Effectively they have built in low power reading glasses. Occasionally, you will see an older person who has low myopia wearing glasses with the lower portion of the lenses in their glasses cut off. If they have rimless or semi-rimless frames, it is a cheap way to get bifocals.

Now wearing their low minus glasses to read is not necessarily a good thing. It allows the Ciliary Muscles to work and exercise less than normal and can lead to early onset of Presbyopia.


Soundmanpt 21 May 2017, 09:51


Sorry for making that so long.

Soundmanpt 21 May 2017, 09:50


The fact that she needs glasses isn't at all surprising to you or her. But I am a bit surprised that she needs glasses nearly the exact same prescription as your glasses. No wonder she was able to see so well wearing your glasses. I honestly thought that she would be getting glasses with around -1.00 or -1.25 prescription and that her eyes were just enjoying a bit of over correction from your glasses. I'm sure she wanted you to be with her during her eye exam for a bit of support since this is all new to her. Also since you're her boyfriend i'm sure she wanted your help in picking out her glasses since you're the one that is going to be seeing her wearing glasses most often. The doctor must have wondered when she told him that she has never wore glasses before and she is sitting their with glasses on. Based on your description of how the eye exam went it doesn't sound like they dilated her eyes. By not doing that I wonder how accurate they were able to get her prescription? By not dilating her eyes her eyes weren't as relaxed as you would have liked them to be for the exam. But for now close enough anyway. But she may find that her glasses starting to feel on the weak side before a year is up. They likely suggested that she plan on coming back in a year to be examined again. So it had to be shocking to you when you found out that her vision was 20/80 and somehow she was able to see to drive when she needs to be wearing the same prescription as you. She can thank the fact that she had very good accommodation which is what helped her get by. After she has had her glasses for a couple of weeks and her eyes have adjusted to them i'm sure she is going to be asking herself how she managed to drive without glasses. Since she is going to wearing glasses full time even though sh had to try on nearly every frame in the store she was right in taking her time to find that perfect pair and knowing that you also approved of how they looked on her. The whole idea of a BOGO sale should be to allow a person to be able to get a pair of regular glasses and a pair of rx sunglasses. Most people don't really need a 2nd pair of regular glasses because if they already had glasses they can use their previous glasses as a backup pair. And generally someone getting their first glasses don't usually have to wear them full time so a backup pair isn't necessary. At the very least i'm surprised they wouldn't just charge the difference to make them up as rx sunglasses which should be a minimal charge. Anyway it was nice of her to give you her free pair. You didn't have to get an eye exam did you? Since you wear contacts and you are require to go every year for and eye exam even though you're going for your contacts they do write in your chart what your glasses prescription is as well. So all they needed to do was call where you go for your contact exam and get that information for your glasses. Anyway it seems very clear that your girlfriend is determined that she isn't wanting to be the only one in the relationship wearing glasses. She seems to be pretty self confident about the idea of wearing glasses but she still needs and wants your support. Remember wearing glasses is going to be a big change for her and you. You're going to have to get used to seeing her wearing glasses all the time now which is going to take some getting used to for you as well as her. At least the store is rushing her glasses so she can pick them up on her way to work Monday morning. I'm sure she will be in a rush to get to work but tell her to be sure to make sure her glasses feel nice and comfortable when they are fitting her with her glasses. She doesn't want to spend her first day wearing glasses that she is pushing up constantly or that might be hurting her ears or nose.

Don't be too surprised once she gets her glasses that she may start to enjoy driving more often. Even though she probably didn't realize it she had to be really struggling to see to drive. Now that she will be able to see she might find driving a lot easier. She has simply been making adjustments in her life because if her eyesight and not really understanding the real reason. Things like leaning in closer to the counter was probably so she could get as close as possible to seeing the menu board. So if she renewed her driver's license about 3 years ago and she was able to pass that means her eyesight had to still be at least as good as 20/40 or she wouldn't have passed. It has been since then that her eyes have changed. Being a graphic designer I would say is the biggest reason her eyes have changed. I worked in printing for well over 25 years and we had 4 or 5 graphic designers at all times. We were a medium size company so we had a graphic designer manager and she would hire young grads fresh out of school because they were willing to work fro less money to get started. most were young girls and some came in wearing glasses already but several got their first glasses while working at our shop. I can't remember even one that wasn't wearing glasses by the time they left and went on to a better paying job. The detail in graphic arts is so much more critical than just typing reports on a computer. You said that her new glasses will look both cute and sophisticated on her. Even though she is exited about getting glasses you still need to tell her how cute she looks wearing glasses. You don't want her to doubt her looks wearing glasses.

You're right it is soooooo much cheaper getting glasses on line and they honestly are every bit as good of quality as the glasses she is getting on Monday. Have he take a look at "". All she needs to do is look for a nice rather large pair of regular glasses that she thinks would make great looking rx sunglasses. DON'T have her look in pre made sunglasses. Once she finds the frame she likes she simply goes to "tints" and adds on the color lenses she wants for sunglasses. If she likes her sunglasses on the dark side then she wants the 80% grey tint. She should be able to find something under $13.00 for glasses and they charge $5.00 to make them sunglasses in her prescription. So a total of $18.00. Also since she is going to be wearing glasses full time right away she really should find a pair of regular glasses in case anything were to happen to her Kate Spade glasses. As you well know once her eyes get completely adjusted to her glasses she isn't going to be able to go without glasses anymore. So she needs a backup pair and she probably might enjoy being able to switch from one to the other depending on what she is wearing. The only thing she still needs is her PD measurement which isn't a big deal. You can do that for her when she finds glasses she wants. All you need is a ruler with millimeters on it. Then have her take her glasses off and look straight ahead and you measure from the center of one pupil t the center of her other pupil. Do it several times and take the number that comes up most often. It should be somewhere between 57 and 63.

NNVisitor 20 May 2017, 22:33

I was sitting in a coffee shop today and a young lady was using her laptop computer two seats over from me. After about 35-40 minutes she closed her computer and collected her possessions to leave. I noticed that she was suddenly wearing glasses. Minus lense glasses which were not too strong. She did not wear glasses looking at the screen. She's in her twenties so I am wondering if it's easier for her to see the screen without wearing her glasses which if so is a bit of a surprise to me as She's quite young.

GreginColo 20 May 2017, 15:26

Thanks for the update David. Since you are getting new glasses also with an updated Rx, it probably good that you start wearing yours more often when you are with her,as it may make her feel less awkward about wearing hers, and when you are both bare-eyed you will have great appreciation for how the other sees. I know you say you eyes are bad, but your RX is actually considered fairly mild myopia, and there are guys whose Rx is 10 times or more yours, and are basically helpless without vision correction. Best of luck to both of you.

David 20 May 2017, 15:16

My girlfriend just had her eye appointment this morning and as we both expected, she needs glasses. She wanted me to come with her to help her pick out a pair since she felt a bit overwhelmed by the selection she had see online. She actually went in wearing my glasses and when she told the doctor that she has never worn glasses before he looked really confused lol. I had to chime in and say that she was borrowing my glasses until she got her own pair. They tested her vision without glasses and she was able to see about 20/80 with both eyes which is apparently twice the legal limit for driving so that was a bit shocking for her to hear. The doctor seemed pretty surprised that she was able to hold out so long without getting glasses. I got to sit in while she had her exam and it was a bit odd seeing the tests from the other side. When it was complete the doctor told her that she really needed glasses and that she shouldn't drive until she has a pair. He also recommended that she wear them all the time which I don't think she expected to hear. I did tell her to ask for her prescription and it turns out that she is -1.75 in both eyes so pretty much the same as me, although my right eye is a bit worse. We went and looked at the frames and she must have gone through just about the entire stock before deciding on a pair from Kate Spade that she really liked. The place was also running a BOGO special and she wanted to use if for a pair of sunglasses but unfortunately none of the sunglasses were included in the promotion. She also had me try on some frames since my glasses have an old out of data prescription and she didn't want the deal to go to waste. I've never really liked how I look in glasses but she found a pair that she thought looked great on me and said that I could use the BOGO offer if I promised to wear them more often instead of using contacts 24/7. After she picked out her frames the optician offered to put in a rush order free of charge since she really needs them to drive so her glasses should be ready by Monday morning and she can swing by and pick them up on the way to work. So it looks like my girlfriend is going to be wearing glasses full time starting Monday and she seems pretty excited to be able to see properly for the first time in a while.


I had never really noticed her squinting probably because I am usually the one driving. She has never really cared for driving and tries to do it as little as possible and with some of the drivers on the road I can hardly blame her. Apparently she last had her license renewed 3 years ago so it makes sense that her eyes changed over that span. As for her job, she is a graphic designer so she spends almost all day on the computer staring pretty intensely at her art so I can imagine the strain that has on her eyes. The only thing I really remember noticing is that at Starbucks she usually leans onto the counter when figuring out what to order. I had always thought that she was just trying to decide what to order but she may have been having trouble seeing and just subconsciously tried to move in closer. The glasses I lent to her had an older prescription since my insurance only covers contacts or glasses and I use my contacts all the time. I'm not sure what the exact prescription in them is but probably a fair bit weaker than what I have now since it has been a few years since I updated my glasses prescription. I really like how she looks in the glasses she chose I think they make her look both cute and sophisticated depending on the rest of her outfit. I think that we are going to keep looking for prescription sunglasses for her but we are probably going to look online since all the pairs in the store were super expensive, even more so than the regular glasses. All in all, I think she is rather pleased with her frame selection and has been saying all day that she can't wait till Monday when she gets her glasses and can start to see the world in focus again.

Soundmanpt 20 May 2017, 07:49


Even though she's your girlfriend it's very understandable that you never noticed her squinting. At some point even without her really noticing it, if she isn't able to make out what a road sign says she doesn't bother trying to squint to read it anymore. Her eyesight didn't change overnight. Her eyesight was still at least good enough to pass the DMV test when she either got her license or renewed it. Her eyesight has changed since then. What type of work does she do? It could be that if she has an office job that she is staring at a computer screen constantly has had an effect on her eyes? In most cases it is a very slow decline in ability to see things clearly but almost unnoticed to themselves. So her wanting to sit up close at the movie theater the other week was indeed likely due to her eyesight and if she is in a sports bar she probably tries to sit closer to the TV's their as well. But she doesn't think anything about and only assumes that it is the same for everyone else. Remember until she wore your sunglasses, only because she had forgotten her own she has never had anyway of comparing her eyesight before.

Funny thing what you said about how you needed your first glasses with the -1.00 / -.50 lenses so you could see the scoreboard and the ball. Many years ago a girl I was dating had -.50 glasses which she very seldom ever wore except when we went to ballgames. She complained that she couldn't see the ball without her glasses. The fact that your girlfriend made her eye appointment the very next morning after being at the game means that she must have been totally shocked at how well she could see wearing your rx sunglasses during the game and continued to wear them even after the sun had gone down. were you surprised that she asked to borrow your glasses until she could get her eyes examined? Did you loan her your current glasses to wear (-2.25 / -1.75) or I would assume that you have some that are slightly weaker that might even be closer to what she will be getting. She seems to be fine and almost looking forward to getting her own glasses if she was even checking out glasses on line. Now that your girlfriend is going to be wearing glasses and very possibility full time are you going to be okay with her new look wearing glasses? You seem to favor wearing contacts more than glasses. It might be nice for you to start wearing your glasses more often as a show of support for her and to let her know your fine with her wearing glasses now.

If you see this before she goes for her appointment you should suggest that she get the optional AR coating (anti-reflective) on her lenses. Since these are her first glasses it is a good idea to get her first pair from a local shop so she gets a pair that fits her perfectly. That way if she soon wants a nice pair of prescription sunglasses or maybe a backup pair of glasses she will be able use that pair to measure so she can order on line and get glasses about the same size. I am looking forward to seeing the results of her eye exam.

David 19 May 2017, 11:49


I can't say that I've really noticed her squinting or asking me to read signs but then again I don't think I've ever looked for it. We did go see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 last week and she insisted we sit up front even though there were were seats available in the back. At the time I though that it was because she is rather petite and hates it when people in front block her view however, now that I think about it it may be that it was much clearer for her up front since it was a pretty long theater. If her uncorrected vision is as poor as mine then I don't know how she has managed to put up with it though as NNVisitor said she may just be used to it and since I have glasses I'm not. I do usually wear contacts everyday since glasses can be a bit of a hassle especially when I go for a run or a bike ride during the day. I don't think she has ever tried on my glasses before as I don't really wear them that often and they are usually in my backpack in case I have a problem with my contacts during the day and have to switch.


My girlfriend and I are big baseball fans too and I don't know how she has been going to games without being able to see properly. I remember before I got glasses that I could hardly make out the ball and had problems reading the scoreboard and my first prescription was -1.00 and -0.50, I don't think that I'd be able to see the ball at all now without my lenses. I was surprised that she was able to see so well with my prescription since my eyes are pretty bad. I'm pretty sure that my girlfriend knows that she will be getting glasses especially since she made the appointment first thing the next day. When we got back she actually asked to borrow my glasses until she has her exam and has been wearing them a lot since. She did remark that she never knew that everything was so blurry until she put on my sunglasses and that she can't ignore it now that she knows. As for driving, she does have her license but the license is good for 6 years so I'd bet that it has been a while since she had a vision screening at the DMV and she has probably been driving around half blind for a while now. That was one of the reasons that I was happy to lend her my backup glasses until she can get a pair of her own. It sounds like she is looking forward to getting her eyes checked because she keeps asking me what the tests are like and has been browsing the internet looking for a cute pair since we got back from the game. Her appointment is tomorrow morning since it was the earliest that the doctor had an opening so she will probably have her prescription and glasses sometime tomorrow.

NNVisitor 19 May 2017, 08:48


People adapt to the vision they have. It's often easy for a nearsighted person to get around if they do not wear glasses or they only wear glasses in certain circumstances.

No harm is done provided they are not driving a car or other vehicle among the public. In that case they need the best vision with glasses or contact lenses.

When a nearsighted person wears glasses full time their brain adapts to the clearer vision. That's why full time wearers sometimes say they can't see without their glasses on whereas a non glasses wearer with the same or worse vision has little or no problem getting around. It's all about what the brain has adapted to.

Soundmanpt 19 May 2017, 08:05


Being a baseball fan myself (St. Louis Cardinals) I know when you say that your seats were in the middle deck near a foul pole that your seats weren't very good and in fact quite a distance away from home plate. So trying to see a baseball that is about 3 1/2" in diameter from about 340 feet away can be a nice test test for the eyes anyway even with good eyesight.

Were you surprised that your girlfriend was able to see so well wearing your prescription sunglasses? I'm sure that your glasses are probably stronger than she really needs but she will almost certainly going to be getting glasses when she gets her eyes examined. A part of of the prescription form your glasses she actually needs but another part is just her enjoying her eyes being over corrected. Please be sure to have her ask for a copy of her prescription when she goes. If she doesn't ask they likely won't provide her with a copy. Also if she gets glasses an she apparently likes wearing sunglasses she might soon be wanting prescription sunglasses. As long as she has her prescription in hand she can easily go on line an order a pair of rx sunglasses for under $20.00. I'm sure once her adjusted to your sunglasses she was able to see better than perfectly. So after a few innings wearing your glasses when you told her that she was wearing prescription sunglasses and she stated testing her vision with and without your glasses everything looked quite a bit more blurry without your glasses.

It's pretty common for people to discover that they need glasses much the way your girlfriend is finding out. Simply by trying on a friends glasses and finding the can see so much better. I don't think your girlfriends eyesight can be too bad if she drives a car or she wouldn't have been able to pass the vision test to get her license or renew it. Is her appointment today?

GreginColo 19 May 2017, 07:47

Thanks David for sharing about your G/F and your sunglasses. Had you noticed her squinting or asking you to read to sings, etc. As you know first hand what her uncorrected vision might be like, that's probably an interesting scenario. Do you typically wear contact when with her or had she ever had occasion to try on your regular glasses? Hope she's not driving too much until she has her exam.

Holy Cow 19 May 2017, 07:45

My wife just had her second cataract operation, and I went with for her follow-up exam. She is doing great. She asked if she can drive, and was told that if she is at least 20/40 she is legal. So the tech puts letters on the screen, and she just rattles off the letters. Then she does a second line, and on down with smaller and smaller letters. I almost chuckled when the letters were so tiny I couldn't read them, but she could..and then even two smaller lines. The tech said she is 20/30 and good to go. When I mentioned that I couldn't read from 3 lines bigger, she said that I might not be legal and suggested that I schedule an appointment. Holy Cow! Next week I'll find out.

David 18 May 2017, 16:14

Yesterday my girlfriend and I went to a baseball game and we had seats in the middle deck near the foul pole. It was an evening game and since the sun was setting it was shining right on our seats, directly into our eyes. When we got to our seats my girlfriend mentioned that it was really bright and hard to see and she pulled out a pair of sunglasses. I didn't really think anything of it until she remarked that my sunglasses had amazing HD lenses. I looked over at her and noticed that they were my sunglasses that I guess she had grabbed from my car. I was really surprised that she was wearing them since they are prescription sunglasses and I have a decently strong prescription at -2.25 and -1.75. I asked her why she was using my sunglasses and she said that she had forgotten hers at home and since I was already wearing a pair of sunglasses she stuck them in her purse in case it was bright out. I don't think she realized that they were prescription lenses initially since I normally wear contacts and regular non-prescription sunglasses. I asked her if she could see out of them and she said that they made everything really crisp and wished that hers did the same. When I told her that they were prescription sunglasses I think she was a bit stunned, she kept comparing her vision with them on and off throughout the game. There was even a sponsored event between innings by a local optical chain where they put up questions on the scoreboard that got progressively smaller and she couldn't read a few rows without wearing my sunglasses. The game went to extra innings and even though the sun had long since set she kept wearing the sunglasses. It turns out that she has never had an eye exam before apart from the vision screenings in high school a while back. She called to set up an appointment first thing this morning so it looks like my girlfriend is going to be getting her first pair of glasses soon.

Trent 17 May 2017, 17:13

Cactus Jack

Thank you for your insight. Yes, I have the posting entitled "How to Study for an Eye Exam".

Recently I have had three eye exams. I returned to the Dr. a second time complaining about my near vision. He got a different Rx result than the first exam. The third visit was a dilation exam. I answered truthfully trying to get the best acuity possible. Still not happy but I will allow myself more time to adjust to the new Rx.

Cactus Jack 17 May 2017, 14:26


No, but you may need a change in the distance prescription for that eye.

There is a point in a typical eye exam, when both shutters are opened and you are shown two separate images. This is really a check for muscle problems, but it is an opportunity to compare the clarity of each image, separately. If there is a difference in the clarity, be sure and tell the examiner. The examiner will likely change the sphere power in the clearer eye so that it is the same as the less clear eye. What you want is for them to be the same. The overall clarity issue will be corrected in the final stages of the exam where the examiner is changing the power of both lenses to hopefully allow you to read the 20/20 or 6/6 line easily.

Your Add prescription is always referenced to your distance prescription.

I have posted a piece I wrote, "How to Study for an Eye Exam" several times. It might be helpful. If you can't find it, I will post it again.


Trent 16 May 2017, 18:31

I wear progressives. Does the add power always have to be the same in both eyes? The reading power in my R eye does not seem strong enough. If the Dr reduces the sphere in the R eye my distance vision suffers. I am reading only with my left eye now, the Right side is blurry.

Xiao 13 May 2017, 17:31

NNVisitor and Maxim

It is true what you say. All of my family, grandparents, parents and brother wear glasses to correct myopia. Each generation seems worse than before. I am very much worse than my brother, probably as I studied a lot when young.

NNVisitor 13 May 2017, 08:42


That 20% is an estimate. There are estimates today of today of myopia rates in eastern Asia as high as 90% (Singapore) which is mostly a Chinese population.

I live in a region with a very high Chinese population and just by observation I can tell that the rates of myopia and high myopia are very high in the Chinese community among all age groups except the under five year olds. Among younger Chinese it's a mix of glasses wearers and contact lens wearers. Some have had vision correction surgery.

Among Caucasions I also notice a sharp rise in glasses wearers. Myopia rates are rising. We can disagree on estimates but the fact is myopia and high myopia rates keep rising. This is true of very diverse ethnic and racial groups.

Maxim 13 May 2017, 04:42

To NN visitor

Your quotation:

"In China the myopia rate was about 20% in the early 20th century ...." .

I am in doubt about these statistics. They pretend precision, where precision cannot exist due sociological turbulence and demographic measurement deficits.

China was very much in trouble through hunger, analphabetism, development status and poverty, the occupation by the Japanese, the 'Long March' and Mao coming to power, later the 'Cultural Revolution' etc.

Who, I ask this very seriously, who should have bothered about a myopia statistic in that times?

Nobody with smaller vision deficits would wear glasses, as glasses were not available, the workers or the farmers could not afford them, no eye tests etc., etc.

The Chinese in those years were living and working with excellent or poor vision, as God had created them!

NNVisitor 12 May 2017, 21:18


In China the myopia rate was about 20% in the early 20th century. Today it is over 50%. In other developed nations the myopia rates have been rising from about 25% in 1970 to close to 40% now. Myopia rates are projected to keep increasing. High myopia is projected to increase 500% by 2050 from the rate of high myopia today putting more people at risk of serious eye conditions. We have a myopia epidemic. Genetics alone are not causing these increases in myopia.

Many diseases have been linked to insufficiet vitamin D which our bodies make when exposed to sunlight reaching our skin. We can also take supplements of vitamin D. It is as yet unknown whether lack of sufficent Vitamin D plays a role in the development of myopia.

NNVisitor 12 May 2017, 21:06


This and my earlier post are responses to what you wrote.

In my family my father had a problem in one eye. When he was young he lived during a very backward era in Eastern Europe. A time when many small children died from diseases that today most children are vaccinated against. He said he had a lazy eye. Nothing was done such as wearing a patch. As a result he had poor vision in that eye. He had excellent vision in the other eye. My mother and all grandparents were not nearsighted. My sister was born myopic. Myself I had great vision when very young but by grade two I was prescribed glasses for the first time.

Soundmanpt 12 May 2017, 07:33


The comment by "NNVisitor" is very interesting and it does make you wonder how much effect the changes in the foods we eat might be effecting eyesight. No doubt genetics has always been the primary reason for children needing glasses, but that doesn't seem to be the case for you or your sister. However vision has been known to skip a generation, So it is possible that your less then perfect eyesight could have come from grandparents. But more and more it seems that kids are needing glasses without any background in their genes. That almost certainly means that other things are contributing to needing glasses. Children are spending less time outdoors enjoying doing sports or other activities. Instead they far too often inside playing video games, watching TV and it seems kids are being given more and more homework than ever before. And lastly and probably worse of all like "NNVisitor" pointed out so many devices that use small screen print has to be taking it's toll. It is nearly impossible to see a kid, teen or woman without a cell phone in her hand. Males for some reason don't seem to use their phones nearly as much. Forty-five and fifty years ago in high schools it was almost rare to see anyone wearing glasses. A few boys maybe but hardly any girls wore glasses because that was considered the "kiss of death" for a teen girl if she expected to get any dates. That's far different today.

Maxim 12 May 2017, 00:37

I forgot younger low hyperopes.

In school, it used to be an effort for them to read, and they went home every day with headaches - but never wore glasses!

Parents, teachers, doctors - all did everything to avoid and to refuse glasses correction!

And today, we have never heard about that and think they had healthy eyes, and we don't know about theier sufferings!

Maxim 12 May 2017, 00:32

to Elle

I think, glasses wearing is about habits and beliefs.

Fifty, sixty or seventy years ago - who was prepared to wear glasses?

A farmer's wife, melking the cows? Was she nearsighted, was she farsighted, did she have astigmatism?

Her husband - did he go for a vision test in an occupational health institute? This applies to nealry all professions.

And a child with a somewhat poorer vision? He or she was placed in the first row (when nearsighted), and the teachers, the parents and the doctors said, this poor vision would "grow out" - whatever growing out means, glasses wearing would only accelerate these vision problems. And later the girls squinted and were not prepared to go as 'four eyed'.

And not to forget - many of those lost vision on one eye, when they had been cross eyed or had a weak vision on one eye only - 'growing out' meant that in childhood the weaker eye just 'switched off'.

I'm am not sure, that so many glasses wearer today are only the result of small screens, part of it, we are more responsible today about vision and correction of vision defects.

NNVisitor 11 May 2017, 20:44

In my parents generation few people wore glasses before they were old. My generation grew taller than my parents generation. The generation that grew up with plenty of dairy foods, processed foods and TV. Lot's of reading and other close work in schools and many children became myopic (nearsighted). There is certainly a correlation between lots of close work, reading and higher rates of myopia. Eating more nutritious foods resulted in growing taller on average than the previous generation from the early 20th century. Myopia is usually an eye that grows longer between the cornea and the retina. Growth may be good for height but for the eyes when it creates myopia and high myopia it certainly isn't.

Today's generation has plenty of fortified foods, computers, video games and cell phones which are mineature computers. We wind up getting too much of some vitamins and minerals but not in their natural form and worse yet these foods typically lack other nutrients. All the screens viewed up close appear to be contributing to the ever increasing rates of myopia.

Elle 11 May 2017, 18:03

My parents have perfect eyesight and didn't need reading glasses until in there forties. Me and my sister are shortsighted and always need glasses and contacts. I'm blind without glasses at -4.00 my sister is worse. Is it more younger people are shortsighted because of computers or read to much. I'm 25 years old and stuck with needing glasses all the time

Soundmanpt 09 May 2017, 09:14


A +.75 prescription is on the weak side so it makes perfect sense that the small print appeared to be a bit clearer as well as slightly larger to her eyes. So even though she can still read small print she isn't seeing it as clearly as she should be. If she were to get glasses she would become more reliant on them. But even not getting glasses she is likely to have it on her mind every time she is reading a book or doing other close work since she now knows her eyesight isn't perfect anymore. Kinda like being told by your dentist that you're wisdom teeth are going to need to come out at some point even thought they aren't bothering. It's always going to be on your mind until you get them pulled.

Steven 08 May 2017, 14:12

Oh ok I understand.

She did say the smaller writing looked clearer, but she said it probably would do having 'magnifying' lenses in front of her eyes. Would this be true for everyone.

I think as she feels she doesn't need them at the moment, the prospect of getting some and becoming more reliant on them is a bit daunting.

Soundmanpt 08 May 2017, 13:03


Technically she needs glasses based on her eye exam, her eyes just don't realize it yet.

It isn't for me to say if she should get glasses now or wait. That is something between you and her to decide. If insurance is going to pay the biggest cost of glasses and she is undecided about wearing glasses then why not get them to see if they make reading somewhat better. Remember what the optician told her, if she gets glasses and wears them when reading her eyes will quickly adjust and she soon wouldn't be able to read small print or even her phone as well without her glasses anymore. But a +.75 prescription is not very strong at all so her glasses would be very easy for her eyes to adjust to. Getting glasses later on she is then going to need a stronger prescription so it could make it a bit harder for her eyes to adjust to. When the doctor put the +.75 lenses in front of her eyes they made the small print bigger and easier for her to see so that would be what her glasses would do as well. So if she liked being able to see small print easier then she should get glasses.

I'm sure she values your opinion quite a bit so you need to tell her what you think. Are you thinking that she should get glasses or do you think she should just wait until she actually feels a need for glasses? She doesn't need to wear glasses full time only when she is reading or doing anything that 0requirees close vision. Her prescription is weak enough that if she ever wanted to wear them for fashion she could.

Steven 08 May 2017, 12:11

No she hasn't mentioned any problems with reading small print, I think that is why she isn't sure she needs glasses.

What do you think would be the best option for her, to hold off till she really needs them, or to get some now to see how she gets on with them and if they really do make a difference?

Soundmanpt 08 May 2017, 10:26


Even the prescription they handed her was a bit confusing. It was actually written as a bifocal prescription. She has a SPH of +.25 in one eye so they wrote her script with an ADD. As we both know a +.25 is really nothing They did tell her it was for reading but very optional.

NNVisitor 08 May 2017, 10:17


Your girlfriend should have asked the optometrist what exactly the prescription is for. She's handed a piece of paper with no explanation? Or an explanation that makes no sense to her?

An add is for reading print especially small print. Can she easily read small print on ingredient labels on foods etc? She can try checking various labels with small and tiny print to find out.

Soundmanpt 08 May 2017, 09:46


If she mentioned her eyes feeling tired after driving i'm sure the doctor checked carefully to be certain that there was nothing wrong there. In the early stages of presbyopia it is very common that a patient is able to still read small print perfectly but yet actually have a prescription prescribed. I know that sounds crazy but it's true. So I can understand why she doesn't feel the need for glasses and that is why the doctor isn't pushing her, but allowing it to be her decision. The doctor is right in saying that not getting glasses wouldn't necessarily cause her eyes to get worse. But with or without glasses her prescription will slowly increase from year to year. There is no way to tell how long before she will start to feel the need for glasses. It could a year or 3 years. A lot depends on how much close work she does as well. If she were to get glasses now and wear them when she is doing close work her eyes would very quickly adjust to them and it wouldn't be as easy for her to read small print anymore without her glasses. So she can get glasses now and get an early start or hold off until she eventually needs them.

Steven 07 May 2017, 23:08

Okay thanks for you reply, she is 35. I think she may have mentioned the problem of her eyes feeling tired, but this usually after a day of driving so this might be a normal thing.

When the optician gave her something to read up close she could read the small print without lenses, but it did make it bigger with the lenses in front of her eyes.

I think she isn't sure if the optician was trying to make her her get glasses as she had no trouble with her near vision. He did say that eyes wouldn't necessarily get worse without any, but if she did get some she may find that they would help and she would probably she would start wearing them more.

I guess this just sounds a bit strange to her when she thinks her near vision is okay at the moment, and she could read the small print when tested.

Soundmanpt 07 May 2017, 14:50


Okay so that makes sense. So she is very slightly farsighted in that eye for distance. But not nearly enough to bother with as for as glasses go. However if they have her with a prescription of +.75 in both eyes in the ADD area that is why they suggested that her glasses would be of help with reading or doing any other close work. Did she tell the doctor that her eyes feel tired when she drives? If she didn't I wish she would have.

You didn't say what age your girlfriend is but I assume she is maybe under 25? If she is under 25 it is because of her age that she isn't having or noticing any issues with reading or other close work. As she gets a bit older or starts doing more and more close work she will start to feel much more tired, sore dry eyes and possible headaches. But this is going to happen at some point. If she gets glasses and starts wearing them she will be surprised how quickly her eyes will adjust to them and after a very short time of wearing them she will find small print harder to read without her glasses. I can't say for sure but I don't think those glasses would help her with driving. But if she gets glasses it isn't going to do any harm for her to see if they make any difference.

Steven 07 May 2017, 13:07

Sorry it might under near ADD, if that makes sense

Steven 07 May 2017, 13:05

The +0.25 is in the sphere, and the other is under a title of near.

Soundmanpt 07 May 2017, 12:34


It didn't space things the way I typed it but what I am sasking is the +.25 under the SPH and where is the +.75 listed for both eyes?

Soundmanpt 07 May 2017, 12:33


Okay still somewhat confusing? A prescription has 4 things.


+.25 - - +.75

- - - +.75

Is this how it reads?

Steven 07 May 2017, 12:11

Hi I'm in England! I have just checked the prescription again and I made a mistake sorry. It was actually +0.25 in one eye then a reading prescription of +0.75 in each eye, would this just mean reading glasses? Sorry again for the error in the figures previously.

Soundmanpt 07 May 2017, 09:59


May I ask what country you're in and are you sure those numbers had plus (+) signs in front of them? Most optometrist write an astigmatism correction with a minus (-) sign in front of the numbers. The numbers you likely forgot, since you didn't include them, was probably axis numbers doesn't have any power values anyway.

Just as I stated in my previous post astigmatisms effects vision at all distances. Since she does a lot of driving and not as much close work she's noticing it more with her distance vision. When she is driving her brain is automatically forcing her eyes to hold focus without her even realizing it. In other words she is straining her eyes constantly while driving so she can make out what road signs better. That is why her eyes feel tired after driving for a while.Her eyesight is still probably good enough to pass the vision test for driving, but only because she is able to force her eyes to focus. That is mostly the reaction of the brain helping her out. If she gets glasses her eyes will start to relax and she won't be forcing her eyes to keep things in focus anymore. Then she will notice that if she doesn't have her glasses on those road signs are going to much more fuzzy and out of focus to her then before. If she doesn't do a lot of close work she probably doesn't notice any problem with that. But even though she doesn't notice anything wrong if she gets glasses she will probably find reading better as well.

Would i be right in assuming that your girlfriend isn't thrilled about the idea of getting glasses and even worse yet wearing them? Since these would be her first glasses i'm sure she thinks every pair she tries on doesn't look good on her. This is very normal because she isn't used to seeing herself wearing glasses so she thinks she looks bad in glasses. But at least she is looking which is a start in the right direction. She may find it helpful that when she is trying on frames to take several pictures with ones she "kinda" likes. Then maybe after looking at herself wearing glasses in the pictures she may start to like one enough to buy them. Not sure if it will help but I know that Zenni has a virtual try-on option. She can post her picture and then try on as many different glasses as she wants to on her computer. If she is really concerned that she doesn't want to spend a lot of money for something she may not wear that would be a good reason to go online for her glasses. If you and her decide to do that please let me know and I will give you some advice on how to be sure to get glasses that won't be too big or too small for her face.Did she get a copy of her full prescription? If not she should at least go back and request a copy so if she decides to order glasses on line or maybe after she gets glasses she might even want a nice pair of prescription sunglasses if she drives that much. She can get those for as little as $18.00 on line as well.

One last thing you and her need to know. Adjusting to an astigmatism correction is the hardest to adjust to. At first she may insist that the glasses have the wrong prescription and she may feel like the floor is slanted as well as even feeling a bit dizzy but after wearing them a few days her eyes will adjust and everything will be fine from then on.

Steven 06 May 2017, 23:36

Thanks for your reply. It was an opticians we went too, there see some other number but I couldn't remember what they were.

It was an annual check up, but she does a lot of driving with work and had mentioned about her eyes feeling tired after a lot of driving.

Would glasses help with this, as she was told the glasses were for reading mainly? Which she does not think she needs, as she has benn having no issues with this. She did look at a few frames, but she didn't see any she liked, I might mention to her about getting some online.

Soundmanpt 06 May 2017, 19:29


Based on how her prescription was written I would have to assume that had her eyes examined by an ophthalmologist for some reason? For just a routine eye exam she should have gotten her eyes examined by an optometrist. An ophthalmologist is a specialist and is a surgeon and generally doesn't prescribe glasses. An optometrist mainly writes glasses prescriptions.

Anyway you said that she was only getting her eyes checked because it had been 2 years since her previous eye exam. Was she complaining about any sort of vision problem before going? Often times people tend to not bother with getting their eyes checked unless they are noticing some type of change in their eyesight. Much like how I put off going to a dentist unless I have a tooth ache. The prescription she received is mostly because she has astigmatisms in both of her eyes. The +.25 is SPH and because it is the weakest possible prescription their is i'm sure if that was the only thing written on her prescription glasses wouldn't make any difference at all in how she sees things. But she has enough astigmatism correction that would make a difference to her eyesight. She probably doesn't think she needs glasses which is why you're asking about her vision. She can probably make out what a sign says in te distance but it's a bit fuzzy or slightly out of focus to her. And if she does much close work her eyes probably feel tired and strained after a short time and she might even be getting headaches more often as well. Glasses in her case will sharpen things up for her and she will feel like she is seeing everything in HD. And her eyes will feel much more relaxed and she won't be getting headaches anymore. It is up to her when and how much she wears her glasses but at first she may only wear them when she thinks about it because she can still see quite good without glasses just not perfect anymore. But after she starts to notice how much better things look with her glasses on she may decide to wear them much more often or even full time. She can't wear them too much. And wearing glasses isn't going to cause her eyes to worsen.

I would say this, the only way she is going to know is by getting glasses. If she hs insurance then her glasses shouldn't cost too much out of pocket. Or if she really wants to save she can go on line and order her glasses at places like "" or "" both have several hundred glasses for under $13.00 and they are good quality and look nice as well.

Steven 06 May 2017, 14:02

Hi, was wondering if anyone could help.

My girlfriend had an eye test today, it had been 2 years since her previous one so was just an annual checkup. She had never worn glasses before or needed any. Today she was given a prescription of +0.25 +0.75 and 0.00 +0.75. Could someone explain what this means and would she benefit from wearing glasses, and if she did when would she need them.

Cactus Jack 05 May 2017, 20:04


Wearing your glasses for close work provides exercise for your Ciliary Muscles. At 32, you should still have enough Accommodation Amplitude available to allow you to focus at normal reading distances without discomfort. The fact that you are experiencing some discomfort means that your Ciliary Muscles are probably getting weak. That is the reason your ECP thought you would need an Add at your next exam.

One thing to remember is that the idea that a person does not need reading help until around 40 is a myth. Everyone is different and there can be valid reasons for needing an Add well in advance of 40. If your focusing discomfort is caused by your Ciliary Muscles becoming weak you can try reading with your glasses for 10 days to 2 weeks and see if that makes much difference.

Always remember that with the exception of driving, where the safety of others is involved, when you wear your glasses is your decision, no one else's. Think of vision correction as simply a tool. Not much different than any other tool upon which, you are dependent.

If wearing your glasses for reading, as suggested above, seems to help, there are some simple exercises you can do that will help make your Ciliary Muscles even stronger, which may help delay the onset of the effects of Presbyopia. However, you probably can't avoid Presbyopia forever.



Dan31 05 May 2017, 17:29

Hi, I'm 31 and work in IT. I noticed my mate could read signs that I couldn't do decided to get a check. I'll probably just wear them for driving and cinema. I'll see!

Bill 04 May 2017, 06:51

I am 32. I usually wear the glasses for driving, especially at night. I don't usually wear them for reading as they are a bit less comfortable for close. Are you suggesting I SHOULD wear them for close>

Cactus Jack 03 May 2017, 21:35


-1.00 glasses means that anything beyond 1 meter is increasingly blurry.

May I ask your age, occupation and what prompted you to get an eye exam?


Cactus Jack 03 May 2017, 21:32


Age is the biggest factor in the onset of Presbyopia. Presbyopia, which is the gradual stiffening of the protein that makes up your Crystalline Lenses, actually starts in childhood. It typically does not become a problem until your late 30s or early 40s.

There can be a secondary factor that can affect your need for reading help. The de-conditioning of your Ciliary Muscles. Your Ciliary Muscles are very tiny. They are inside your eyes and their job is to squeeze your Crystalline Lenses to increase their PLUS power and allow you to focus close. For their size they are the strongest muscles in the body.

You are not doing yourself any favors by taking off your glasses to read. A person who is nearsighted, effectively has built in reading glasses. If your distance prescription is -1.00, that means that your built in "reading glasses" are +1.00.

When you are wearing your -1.00 glasses, they neutralize your +1.00 and you effectively have a prescription of 0.00 for distance. To focus at a typical reading distance of 40cm (16 inches) while wearing your glasses requires +2.50 diopters according to the laws of optics, as codified by Sir Isaac Newton around 1700.

That +2.50 has to come from somewhere. It can all come from your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses, or some can come from your built in +1.00, if you take off your glasses, and an additional +1.50 from your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses, or externally from reading glasses or a bifocal add.

When you take off your glasses, your Ciliary Muscles don't have to work as hard as they would if you read with your -1.00 glasses. Your Ciliary Muscles are like all other muscles, if you don't use them, they get weak. Once you start down that path, you will need stronger and stronger reading add until you need +2.50 or more depending on your preferred reading distance.

You may be able to delay the need for close focusing help by strengthening your Ciliary Muscles, but that won't work forever.

If you are interested, we can offer suggestions, but we need to know your age and get a better idea of your visual environment.


Dan31 03 May 2017, 17:07

@Bill: do you wear your -1.00 glasses all the time. I recently got prescribed that same prescription.

Maxim 03 May 2017, 15:25

to Soundman and all friends here:

This is such a valuable forum for so many people, and you (and others) have helped and contributed so much.

I cannot understand that there are people out there, who want to destroy this forum, to destroy confidence and to destroy true help and friendship over borders and time zones.

Just carry on with friendlyness, help and love as you ever did and don't listen to those ugly voices,

Viva Eyescene!

Bill 03 May 2017, 13:46

Just found this site. I have had glasses for the last few years that are -1.00. Recently have been taking them off for easier reading. Dr says at next exam will probably prescribe a reading add. Anything I can do to prevent or delay that? I really don't want to become dependent on them.

Soundmanpt 01 May 2017, 08:17


Your words to Madeline I would hope will encourage her to wear her glasses proudly. Like you said the whole idea of getting glasses wasn't something you wanted, but once you got you very quickly realized howw much you had been missing by not wearing glasses. With that revelation you were soon wearing your glasses from the time you got up until you went to bed. Even with some bumps in the road you still were determined to wear your glasses. Once you got used to seeing yourself wearing glasses you like how you look wearing glasses better than without glasses. I have been preaching that for sometime that a woman is never going to look any less attractive wearing glasses. If anything they look even better wearing glasses.

Glad to hear that you';e pretty well adjusted to your glasses now. Adjusting to progressives requires your brain to react without thinking. When you first got your progressives you had to think about making your eyes find the area you needed depending on what you were doing. Now it is becoming much more automatic for your eyes to instantly go right to where they need to be in order to see. If you're already able to go running with your progressives that is very good in such a short time. I know you really love your glasses but remember when you're not going to be doing anything that requires much close vision you can wear your single vision glasses that you got. I get the feeling tat you really don't like the frame you got for the single vision glasses very much? If you dislike them that much you should consider getting a pair on line. You can get single vision for around $18.00 including the AR coating and if you would prefer getting another pair of progressives they would only be around $54.00 - $70.00. those prices would be the same for prescription sunglasses as well. Even though you love wearing your glasses you have to miss not being able to wear sunglasses anymore on sunny days anymore. Please tell me that your not wearing your sunglasses over the top of your glasses? You don't want to do that because you could scratch the lenses of your glasses doing that. Yeah even tough you love wearing your glasses it's normal that somethings are going to be annoying. You seem to have found a few of the ones everyone that wears glasses can relate to. Coming in from the cold is one of them and the dishwasher is another as well as opening the oven I bet. That's why it is important to always have a cleaning cloth handy. While your wiping your glasses i'm sure it is still amazing to you how blurry everything is without your glasses. Now something to think about. You know how you cheated to pass the vision test to renew your driver's license twice when you really already should have been wearing glasses to drive. But you know others have done the same sort of things or might have glasses but don't want to wear them and their out driving and can't see any better than you can without your glasses. Just like you i'm sure they probably don't think their eyes are bad enough to need glasses to drive. Honestly i'm not sure why when your doing close work such as on your computer and then looking up at something in the distance it takes 10 seconds or so for your eyes to focus. I really don't think it is because you don't have your full prescription in your glasses. Your distance vision seems to be just fine for now. I do remember some years ago that someone i knew had the very same complaint as you when she would be on her computer and look up. I asked a friend that is an optometrists what she thought the cause could be and she said it sounded like she needed astigmatism correction. I told my friend and sure enough it wasn't long after that that she got glasses and hse told me I was right that it was in fact astigmatisms causing her problem. If it continues and it bothers you you might want to ask where you got your eyes examined about it. based on how much you enjoy wearing your glasses now I think the only regret you might have is not getting glasses much sooner. You have a great day.

Soundmanpt 01 May 2017, 06:55


I don't recall when you had your last prescription change? Has it been a year? It doesn't really matter if your vision is blurred now something has changed. It could very well be your astigmatisms if the symptoms are similar to when you got astigmatism correction added to your glasses before. As you know astigmatism can fluctuate some and it doesn't take much of a change to effect your vision. To save money I would suggest just getting your eye exam done and order your new glasses on line. I know you got glasses not long ago on line that you seemed to really like. maybe just order that same pair plus another pair as a backup in your new prescription.

Have you had a chance to chat with Vicky since she got her new glasses? by now i'm sure her eyes have adjusted to her new prescription. Even though her SPH went down by +.25 she now has a fairly decent amount of astigmatism which is going to effect her eyesight more than any of her previous glasses has. Her distance vision is now more blurred and out of focus when she takes her glasses off. Even tough she has been wearing glasses for some time I don't they affected her ability to see distances much at all. They probably did make a bit of difference for her with seeing small print.

Likelenses 28 Apr 2017, 22:48


The inability to focus quickly on distant objects, after close work is a strong indicator that your full correction is coming due.

What is your present reading distance for the computer, and also printed material ?

When getting your full correction, you may want to ask the doctor it he / she would be willing to over correct you slightly. This would do two things. 1. you will have absolutely incredible high definition distant vision, and 2. It will prolong the time until your next prescription increase.

Probably an additional -.50 would do the trick.

It has been said that once myopic eyes are first fitted with lenses, that they then eat minus.

Jen 28 Apr 2017, 20:24


Now I'm not sure how I got by without glasses, I didn't know how well I was supposed to be able to see, so I didn't feel like I was missing out on anything. Now that I know, I can't hardly bring myself to ever take them off. I was so against having to wear glasses but after getting them and wearing them for the first time, I didn't care what I looked like wearing them. Everything so sharp and no squinting....Now I like how I look wearing glasses better than how I look without.


Nice to hear from you! I think I'm pretty much adjusted to wearing glasses, stairs and curbs etc..are no problem now. As a runner, I've gotten comfortable running wearing the progressives although it took a bit if getting used to. One annoyance I've discovered was coming inside on a cold day or opening the dishwasher and having my glasses fog up. Of course off they come and the blur ensues. I can't believe I lived like that for so long...

The only complaint I have right now is when I'm doing computer work or anything closer, and I look at something in the distance it takes a while for me to focus on it. ( maybe 10 seconds or so?) I've been trying to look away from my close work about every 5 minutes or so thinking I need to exercise my eye muscles, but it doesn't seem to make the adjustment time any quicker. Is it normal to have to wait for the distance to come into focus?

Still putting them on first thing in the morning wearing them until I go to bed at night, loving being able to see all things, at all distances so sharply! ;-)

NNVisitor 28 Apr 2017, 18:08


I've had glasses since I was in grade 2. For many years I mostly did not wear my glasses. My vision got worse and worse. I really did not have a problem getting around. I developed my own memory mapping system. The problem was that my vision got so bad that I finally just wore my glasses full time. By then I needed -6 or possibly a little higher. Looking back to those days I realize I was WRONG WRONG WRONG.

I was always given my full prescription. No mercy for me.

From wearing glasses full time after about 8-10 years I got contact lenses and since then the majority of my days I wore them most of the daytime hours.

I've always had glasses too and when I buy glasses I pick out the frames carefully and get high index thinner lenses as there could always be a reason that I could not wear my contacts.

The good news is that I've never gotten a serious eye infection. I have not otherwise damaged my eyesight by wearing contacts. Most important of all my worst fears about my future eyesight never came true.

I do have high myopia and astigmatism but my corrected vision is very good thus I am very happy.

Soundmanpt 28 Apr 2017, 16:42


Well seeing your comment to Madeline I guess i don't have to ask you how your doing with your glasses. You said that getting and wearing glasses was very dramatic and life changing for you. I'm sure that your right. If someone would have told you a week before you got your glasses that in two weeks you were going to wearing progressives full time and loving it i'm sure you would thought they were crazy. Now you're so comfortable wearing glasses that it's hard to believe that it was only a few weeks ago that you weren't even thinking about wearing glasses.

By now i'm sure that you don't have any issues at all with going up or down steps even with heels on. And your eyes now seem to automatically find the proper area of your lenses for reading or when your on your computer or looking at something in the distance. The only thing you found a bit annoying about wearing glasses was getting caught in the rain which forced you take you glasses off because you couldn't see through the raindrops. And at first you complained about needing to clean your glasses so often but I bet your not cleaning them as often anymore? So have you found anything else that is annoying about wearing glasses or maybe something you never knew about wearing glasses?

Madeline 28 Apr 2017, 16:42

These are my third glasses.

I found my last prescription! It says -1.25 and -1.00

The one before that says -0.50 and -0.25

Soundmanpt 28 Apr 2017, 16:13


Apparently your prescription changed quite a lot if the doctor even told that your eyes have gotten a lot worse. Either you had a big jump in your prescription or you haven't had your eyes checked for a long while. So probably what "Maxium " said is about right. Your previous glasses must have only been around -1.00 which is why your new glasses made you feel as if your blind now without them. Are these just your 2nd pair of glasses? When did you get your first glasses?

Madeline 28 Apr 2017, 12:45

This was your first prescription? How did you go so long without glasses? I can't even cross the street without them...

Jen 28 Apr 2017, 12:37


I just got my first prescription of about -2.75 and -3.00 with some cylinder correction as well.

To me this was very dramatic indeed and life changing. Don't worry about the strength of your prescription and just enjoy being able to see clearly! Noone really cares if you're prescription is stronger anyways; in fact wearing glasses seems to attract attention in a good way. I have received a lot of very nice comments since wearing glasses and people seem to like how I look wearing them.

Incidentally, my eye doctor said I'll probably need a stronger rx soon as he didn't give me my full prescription either.:-)

Just be glad you can get your vision corrected see clearly, and find a pair that you like. Embrace and enjoy your glasses and how you look and see with them, because they're great!

Madeline 28 Apr 2017, 11:00

I have to go back in 6 months because she didn't give me the full strength in this appointment

Maxim 28 Apr 2017, 01:08

to Madeline:

Yes, that's okay. Alot worse could be, when you came from a -1.00 or -1.25 or -1.50 prescription.

With these prescriptions, you have already been a bit dependent on glasses, and your present prescription is the double or triple value.

But again, -2.75 is NOT dramatic at all.

The necessity for glasses is also a result of our life today. 5o or 100 years ago, when a young woman just lived in a working class or farm household (or in a castle), nobody would have been aware of a -2.75 shortcoming of vision, and such a nearsighted girl or boy would not have been wearing glasses.

But nowadays (driving - road signs / school or university - the blackboard / at home, the TV set)) we have very sophisticated needs for our vision, and so also such a small nearsightedness is diagnosed and the person is given glasses - for a better functioning in our society.

So again, best wishes, don't be unhappy, buy nice frames, and be proud then.

Madeline 27 Apr 2017, 21:58

I don't exactly know my previous power but the doctor said it's -2.75 now and that it got a LOT worse

antonio 27 Apr 2017, 10:51

Hi Madeline,

yes -2.75 is not mich in numbers, but it was

When my troubles beeing bareeyed in every Moment of my life really became unbearable. I couldn.t read far signs not even squinting, and even confused friends approaching because I couldn't See their faces clearly. And I started to ask even moe silly questions like : Where is Andy. Just over there!!! Oh I see :-)

How about you now?

I ended uo wearing Them full time very soon because More and more people got to know I couldn't See alright any More

If you like visit us at

Best regards, antonio

glasesforeveryone 27 Apr 2017, 06:10

just been to opticians.

Last prescription:

R: +.75 -.25 21 +1.00 ADD 3.00 Out

L: +1.25 -.50 165 +1.00 ADD 3.00 Out

This one

R: +.75 -.55 55 +1.50 ADD 3.00 Out

L: +1.25 -.50 170 +1.50 ADD 3.00 Out

So, barely any change. Right eye more astigmatism, but still negligible. Left eye distance slightly better than before.

Add up .50 and contrary to most people's experience - prism static at the old value.

I am both relieved and disappointed.

Maxim 25 Apr 2017, 22:54

To Madeline

I just reread your post, and there is a good thing: at least you are not blind.

For example: look out of your windo into the street.

You might see something like a big green ball - that is a tree. When you put your -2.75 glasses on, you might see the leaves, without your glasses just the green ball - but you're not blind.

Without glasses, you can see a car in the street, the shape of the car, the colour (= not blind). And when you take your glasses, you can read the license plate, the maker's badge, the faces o driver and passengers.

It's like a coin having two sides:

... the good thing is, that you can see ... (compare your vision with a blind person's vision)

... the other side of the coin/medal is, that you need glasses for a certain precision of vision, like many of us, but -2.75 is really not very much.

My best wishes, and enjoy your good vision with your glasses, and don't worry too much!

Maxim 25 Apr 2017, 16:26

To Madeline

Don't worry, -2.75 is nearly just nothing.

Mathematically, it is, that your distance vision point is just at the reading distance, you are a little bit nearsighted. If you're choosing just the right frames, it that kind of nearsightedness, that makes women beautiful.

Best wishes.

Soundmanpt 25 Apr 2017, 14:20


Do you know what your previous prescription was since you say your glasses are now much stronger? Actually -2.75 is what most would consider a fairly decent necessary prescription for glasses. I'm sure if you wearing a much weaker prescription that now you probably do feel somewhat blind without your glasses now. If you weren't already wearing your glasses full time you probably need to be now.

Madeline  25 Apr 2017, 09:00

My glasses have become much stronger :(

How bad is -2.75. I feel blind

Catwoman 24 Apr 2017, 04:36


I have worn glasses since age 6, and my husband of 27 years has worn glasses since he was 7. We have strong prescriptions, although mine has diminished over the past 10 years. As I told Jen, I went from single-vision to progressive lenses at once, just having to remember to keep my line of vision straight to avoid distortion.

Remember, Dorothy Parker was totally wrong when she said, "Men don't make passes at girls who wear glasses." True, it sometimes depends on the frame (that was from a 1970s commercial), but the vast majority of women I know who wear glasses are married. Glasses worked for me, and my bespectacled two daughters have never had much trouble getting dates.

Catwoman 24 Apr 2017, 04:31


I'm glad things were finally able to work out for you in your first experience with glasses.

I jumped right into progressives in the middle of the last decade after having worn single-vision lenses for over 30 years, and it was relatively easy. Even with them, I sometimes have to look over my glasses if I need to see something very small (like super-fine print) or deceptive (like a piece of garlic that needs some skin peeled off). And of course, putting on makeup or eye shadow presents the same problem.

And as for that baseball game you went to on Thursday, I would be happy if it was in New York, because that would have meant my favorite team was victorious, which it was. :)

Noreen 23 Apr 2017, 15:22

Thank you to all that replied with kind comments to my post.

I will have to come here on occasion to learn more about eyesight, and glasses, and to learn more about how men feel about women like me that wear strong glasses.

Maxim 23 Apr 2017, 14:38

To Josh

I'm sorry, I cannot answer your question, I'm not a doctor. I only wanted to give you the info, as there are two interlinked groups of sources of vision problems: refraction and the muscle balance and coordination.

I was quite impressed, what they could find out with these measurements.

Best wishes for you, that you aregoing to find a solution for these problems.

NNVisitor 22 Apr 2017, 20:06


I sure can relate to being self consious wearing my glasses in public however I have come to realize after many years that to most people seeing a person wearing glasses even strong ones is no big deal and that I have been needlessly oversensitive about the whole issue. Glasses wearers are so common these days that they are considered a normal part of one's attire. Myself I have had high myopia and astigmatism for many decades. My glasses are very strong. My vision has been stable since my early adult years. I did have a significant increase in my prescription then both for my myopia and my astigmatism. My previous glasses had been from a few years earlier so perhaps thats why. That was my last increase as after that my vision stabalized. The glasses that were made had major distortions and I could not adjust to them. So after two weeks I went back to the opthalmologist who tested my eyes and he wrote out a change in the prescription. The new lenses had distortions but not as bad as the previous ones. I had already decided to get contact lenses which I could only take homr after five weeks of appointments as the contact lens fitter was trying to get me to use an impossible technique to center the lens from the white part of my eye to the cornea. I found a different method which worked. Over the years wearing gas permeable contact lenses I've been able to increase my wearing time to most of the day so typically I wear my glasses when I wake up for an hour or two and then in the evening. Some days I just wear glasses all day. At work I don't use computers. I actually have to fill in work forms on paper which later on someone else inputs into the computer system. I do carry reading glasses which I use for very small print. If I would normally wear glasses at work instead of my contacts then I probably would get bifocals or progressive glasses.

Jen 22 Apr 2017, 13:35


Glad you finally got new glasses and are now able to see comfortably! Enjoy your better vision, and wear your glasses with confidence and pride! I now think it is faulty thinking that makes us think glasses will make us unattractive. I'm beginning to believe that glasses are like a bow on a present: they draw attention and make people want to see what's inside.


Stefan 22 Apr 2017, 04:04

Welcome to the site, and the thread, Noreen. It's good if it's made you marginally more self-confident about your specs!

Noreen 21 Apr 2017, 21:38

Interesting site, and thread.

Like Jen,I am in my early forties and have recently been prescribed bifocals.I have worn glasses for nearsightedness since age seventeen.I do not know my prescription, but it is very strong, and I have always been self conscious about my glasses.Even with my glasses, I do not have perfect vision.

I had been fighting off the bifocals for at least two years, but because I had to hold things so far away, and could no longer read without glasses,I had to give in and get them.

It is so nice to be able to read comfortably now, but I am even more embarrassed by my need for strong glasses.

I do not have vision insurance, so due to the high cost of my lens, I could not even consider progressives.

Ir is heartwarming to read here that so many men enjoy seeing women wearing glasses.I am single, and always thought that my glasses were a turn off to men.

Jen, your posts have given me a little more confidence. Thank you.

Jen 21 Apr 2017, 17:55


I live in Minnesota and of course I'm a Twins fan, although I can't say I'm a huge fan because I don't follow closely enough. :-)

I'm coming due in May for my drivers license renewal and I think we renew ours every 4 years. I do remember last time I went to have it renewed I wasn't able to see the letters, but since there were several people in line ahead of me I was able to pass just by overhearing them and remembering. And now come to think of it, the time before that I barely passed by squinting very hard at the letters, and if my memory serves me correctly I got some of the letters wrong....I chalked it up to being tired or having a bad day.

It sounds so funny now that I really thought that my vision was OK, I mean I knew it wasn't perfect or anything, but nobody really has perfect vision right? Plus I seemed to function just fine, but the reality was I was not functioning fine. Lol! For as long as I can remember, I have always been stressed out about vision tests, and now I'm wondering how long ago it's been since I had 20/20 vision? I'm just happy I do now!

I'm happy that things are clear no matter what the distance is and I'm finding it pretty easy to find the "sweet Spot" for most anything I look at. It was a little difficult at first especially when looking down and to the sides, but now it almost seems natural. I really feel like my eyes are so comfortable now, and I don't even seem to feel like my frames are in my way anymore. The only complaint that I have, is when I'm looking at something close and go to distance, it takes several seconds for things to come into focus. Once they do its no problem though. I'm still amazed at how well I see and still realizing how life changing it is!

Soundmanpt 21 Apr 2017, 12:51


So nice to hear from you.

Once you start wearing glasses it's surprising how much of a difference they really made in your life. I'm sure if you hadn't gotten glasses you not only wouldn't have been to see the ball but even the players would small blurry blobs from your nosebleed seats. But if yo7u saw a game last year i'm sure that you probably thought that everybody was seeing the same blurry blobs on the field. It's funny, i'm sure that every so often you're still finding something else that you need to adjust to with your glasses. Yes of course because you were sitting up high and looking down now that you have gotten much more used to only moving your eyes when you look down that is your normal reaction now. But your add is only about half as strong as your distant part. So that area would be too weak to be of much help to you as you quickly found out. So yes that meant that you had to keep your head down to see clearly. Next time you go to the game or anything that might require distance vision only that is when that extra pair of glasses that you bought when they broke your glasses. Their only single vision but unless you normally read a book at the ballgame you shouldn't have any reason to need a reading segment. That was why I suggested that you should keep the spare pair in the glove box of your car. When your driving those single vision glasses should be just fine because you should still be able to see things in your dash such as your speedometer and gas gauage with just your single vision glasses. And for things like ballgames and going to concerts they should be perfect for those things as well.

So has it gotten easier now when you go from looking at something in the distance to looking at say a table menu? What I mean is are your eyes finding those "sweet" spots that you need to use in order to read small print or see your computer monitor? I know whe yhou first gt your progressives tat was the only small problem you were having was tying to find those spots that give you the best vision for the mid range as well as the full add. But I have feeling you're doing much better with that by now as well. I'm sure now that you're wearing glasses for close work it has to be much easier on your eyes, but are you even able to see whats on you computer monitor or read small print without your glasses anymore? By the way what is your team's name? I am a huge fan of the Cardinals. They also lost last night so we have that in common.I live about 40 miles west of St Louis.

Just curious do you live where you have to renew your drive's license every so often? In Missouri we have to renew every 6 years. To renew you also have to do a short vision test and you have to have 20/40 or better vision or you fail and can't get your license renewed until you get glasses. When did you last get your driver's license renewed and did you have to take a vision test as well?

Jen 21 Apr 2017, 11:53

Hi all.

Went to a baseball game last night, first time I've been to a game since getting glasses. Even though our team lost it was so exciting to watch now that I can see the ball! Took a little getting used to how to watch because we had nosebleed seats and looking though the bottom of my glasses made it a little difficult to see what was going on on the field. In no time I was tipping my head down and looking through the top for a crisp view of the game. Actually became a little weepy about being able to see the game! Lol, I'm such a sap!

Still grateful to live in an age when glasses are available! BTW, still no headaches!


josh 21 Apr 2017, 09:46


thanks. that helps. interesting. but you think that it might be possible that i have heterophoria even though i don't have the symptoms with my old glasses or without glasses?

anyone else has experiences with heterophoria?

Maxim 20 Apr 2017, 12:27

To Josh:

Key Words:

Switzerland - Suisse Romande? Deutschsprachige Schweiz?

An Eye Doctor from Switzerland - you probably understand German? His leaflet for patients' information:

Germany / Munich:

There are only a few practioners working with these methods.

josh 20 Apr 2017, 11:09

sounds interesting. i m from switzerland...

Maxim 20 Apr 2017, 11:03

Hello Josh, sorry that the cause cannot be found so easily.

In which country do you live, by the way.

I know about a method, where the optometrist makes an examination for about 90 minutes instead of 5 minutes in the usual.

I did it 8 years ago, and she found out for a vision acuity of 200 per cent instead of 120 per cent I usually could reach with glasses. Only the specially crafted lenses were too expensive for me (800.00 $ approx.).

I am going to look for this method, in the moment I'm short of time, give me 1 or 2 days.

josh 20 Apr 2017, 09:15


no, not really any changes in environment. and if i change back to the old glasses or sunglasses, after a while everything is fine again. so i guess it has something to do with the glasses. with the old glasses i can focus on different distances without delay and vision is always good

Soundmanpt 20 Apr 2017, 08:25


Most likely the reason your eyes cross when you don't have your glasses on is because you have something called "strabismus" which means that you have a lazy eye. You didn't state your age but I assume that you're older than 10 years old? For young kids the doctor will often have them wear a patch over the good eye to make the lazy eye work more and strengthen the eye muscle. But as you get older the patch doesn't work as well. So your glasses probably has "prism" correction in them which works to hold your eyes in place. But whenever you take your glasses your eyes are going to rather quickly cross.

Soundmanpt 20 Apr 2017, 08:17


I assume that is what your new glasses are after an increase? So yes i'm sure that is more than enough for you to notice that your eyes now look smaller through your lenses. Your previous glasses were slightly weaker so your eyes didn't look as small. Next year if you get another increase your eyes will even smaller. But at -2.50 I doubt that to anyone looking at you that they will notice any change in your eye size. Of course if you got new glasses they will notice that.

Nicky 20 Apr 2017, 06:39

My eyes sometimes cross without glasses. Why?

Reina 20 Apr 2017, 06:24

I'm -2.50 I think

Jen 19 Apr 2017, 12:30


Nothing new to report, just feeling like my vision is almost natural now and no headaches!

Like NNVisitor eluded to, I'm just grateful to be able to see so well and so comfortably now!


Carrie 19 Apr 2017, 11:14

Nina - my friend Danielle has a prescription pretty much the same as yours except she doesn't have any astigmatism correction in hers and I don't know which eye requires the slightly stronger + power. Despite not having astigmatism she has found she needs to wear her glasses more than she used to. She needs them for distances now and not just for reading. In fact she is very nearly full time but does like to take them off when she isn't reading/working and her eyes don't feel tired.

Of course it is entirely up to you how much you wear your glasses but do follow the suggestions you are given at the optican's.

I am a little more long sighted (far sighted) than you and Danielle and I do need to wear my glasses all the time but I am not blind without them.

Soundmanpt 19 Apr 2017, 09:55


Actually even with a rather weak nearsighted prescription your eyes will appear very slightly smaller but yes it becomes more noticeable as your lenses get stronger. What was your old glasses prescription and what is your new one? You're more likely to notice your eyes looking smaller than anyone else will.

Reina 19 Apr 2017, 03:03

At what prescription do glasses make your eyes look small?

I thought it only happened at very high prescriptions but my new glasses are making my eyes look smaller!

Likelenses 18 Apr 2017, 23:32


Anything new to report about life behind lenses ?

NNVisitor 18 Apr 2017, 15:53


The good news is that your glasses are working out well for you. I'm not sure what beginners glasses are. Many people do not get their vision tested each year. Or know they need glasses but don't wear them. When I was young my mother had my eyes tested and I got glasses in grade two. I mostly did not wear them. My vision got worse and worse and I only began full time wear when things were very blurred. I didn't have a problem getting around. I developed a great memory mapping system whereby I adapted to my much less than good vision. When I did finally go full time I actually was happy as I didn't have to put up with the blur. Life is a learning system. When it comes to needing, wearing glasses not everyone deals with it in the same way. Anyhow the past is the past. Every day is a new day thus all we can do is appreciate each day and be happy and appreciative for what we do have.

Kevin 18 Apr 2017, 15:09

Nice story Matt. Are you from the UK?

Matt L 18 Apr 2017, 13:25

I'm not sure if this is the best place to put this. I’ve always been interested in glasses, and notice when other people change their frames. I also like watching and observing their wearing habits and how they become full time wearers, as it took me several attempts to become a full time wearer. So I thought now might be a good time to tell my story.

I always wanted glasses, until I actually got them. I was fourteen when I first got glasses, but I don’t think I wore them at all. As was to be expected, I got more short sighted as time went on and every year to eighteen months when I went back to the opticians I was prescribed new, stronger glasses. My second pair I did use in class to see the board. To begin with I would only wear them if something was on the board or screen and then I would take them off, but after a while once I’d put them on, I usually left them on until it was time for the end of the lesson, but I never wore them outside the classroom. Whilst I could still cope most of the time without glasses outside the classroom, some things were getting difficult by this stage, such as reading bus numbers. By the time I got my third pair of glasses, I was thinking I probably needed to be wearing them all of the time I remember going to pick up this pair of glasses very clearly. It was a Saturday afternoon, after the glasses had been fitted, when I was asked if I was going to keep them on and I said yes, I felt I had made a good decision. I had to get my mum a birthday present, and it was good being able to see things in the shops clearly. I think I wore the glasses all weekend, but on Monday I remember not wearing them to school. The opticians never really told me how often I should be wearing my glasses: I think if they had told me to wear them all of the time I would have done as I was told. I never really felt happy wearing them. However, I did wear them more often in school, I remember that at times I would forget to take them off at the end of the lesson and would end up wearing them at break and lunchtime. That summer I started wearing them in sports lessons for cricket because I couldn’t see without them. However, I still would not wear them at home or for anything other than school.

When I went for my next eye test, I didn’t want the optician to tell me off for not wearing my glasses, so I put them on before I went for my eye test, and put the old ones on again before I left the opticians. Again, when I went to get my new glasses I left the opticians wearing them. This time I managed three days as a full time wearer putting them on before I left the house and only taking them off at bedtime. However, when it got to the weekend, I didn't bother wearing them and from that point I give up on full time wear going back to the routine of putting them on when I needed them in school and leaving them on until the end of the school day; the only time I wore them outside of school was for driving lessons, but once I’d passed my test I wasn’t insured on my parents car, so I didn’t have to wear them. I don’t know why I was so stubborn about wearing glasses full time, I was quite happy to wear them all day in school, but as soon as it finished, I would take them off.

I had that pair about 18 months but I broke them just after my A level exams. Again so I didn’t get told off by the optician, I wore my previous pair of glasses to the test. He said the pair he was prescribing were quite a bit stronger. I am not sure if he meant than the pair I was wearing or the pair I had broken. On the bus into town to collect my glasses, II remember thinking I really should wear the new pair all the time and be done with it. This time I lasted a bit longer. I did wear them pretty much full time for the first three weeks. The night after I picked them up, there was an 18th birthday for somebody from school and I wore them for that. I did get a few comments from my friends, but most of them were positive. I remember them passing my glasses around and wanted to get them back so I could see again. That weekend I went away for a week to Spain with some school friends, I wore them pretty much all time time, whenever we were in the hotel or bars, even some of the time on the beach. However, a week so later, I was going to my cousin’s wedding and I decided I didn’t want to wear them for that, I don’t think I wanted the comments from my relatives. So from that point I wore them on and off for the next month. I knew that going to university was the perfect time to try again as a full time glasses wearer and from that point there was no looking back.

Soundmanpt 18 Apr 2017, 11:37


I don't think you you were at all surprised to find out that you do really need glasses now. You probably are blaming yourself for buying those readers and wearing them that they have ruined your eyes. but like I told you before I don't really think so. Actually if had never bought them and had gone for an eye exam even though you could still read your phone perfectly you would still have gotten the same prescription for glasses. But the doctor would have told you that it would be up to you if you wanted to get glasses or mot because your eeys were still able see small just fine without glasses. But he would have warned you that it was only going to be a matter of time before you would start to need glasses. Now how long you could have still been able to see fine without glasses no one knows. But the more strain you would be exposing your eyes to such as a job where you would be doing close work all day your eyes would very soon be needing glasses. But if you weren't doing much close work then you may have been fine for several years. But because you bought those glasses and started wearing them your eyes easily adjusted to them because they were very close to the prescription you actually need, your eyes weren't going back to the way the were before you started wearing those glasses. But I repeat again they didn't really ruin your eyes. The prescription you got for glasses is actually a little bit stronger for both eyes than the readers you bought. You also have some astigmatisms in both eyes as well. Because of those astigmatisms the doctor might have recommended that you wear your glasses full time when you get them? Do you remember how well you were able to see the eye chart? Were you able to see the 20/20 line okay or was it too blurry for you? I know you said that you were wearing the readers full time. Close up was fine with them and distances was only a little bit blurry. Did you eyes ever adjust to them for distance so you could see without any blur? So I know you only bought those readers for fun and because you liked how you looked wearing glasses. So now that you're getting glasses that you actually need how do you feel about wearing glasses? Did you manage to find glasses that look even better than the readers you bought?

Soundmanpt 18 Apr 2017, 11:00


Yes that is why I was hoping that you would get progressives instead of bifocals. Actually if you hadn't gotten progressives you really then should have gotten trifocals. Of course that would have meant that your glasses would have two lines going across the lenses. Because your job has you in front of a computer monitor so much I think you will be using that mid section even more than the reading segment. You have to be thrilled not to be getting anymore headaches as well?

I'm not surprised that most of you family and friends thought that your glasses really finished off your look. Glasses in many cases as long as they suit the persons face shape will often enhance their looks. Women seem to have discovered this and that is why some are even wearing fake glasses just because they like the way they look in glasses. There will always be a few that will comment about being a sexy librarian. Nothing really wrong with that look either in my book. Honestly even though these are your first glasses and I guess that does make them your "beginners" glasses your glasses are more like what would be expected as your 3rd or 4th pair of glasses. just like your friend that wears the -1.25 glasses her glasses might be her "beginners" glasses but most likely they are her 2nd pair. If you think about you should ask her if they are her first glasses or not? I have a feeling that you expected that at least all the women their and maybe even some of the men would be tying on your glasses. And of course some were sure to make comments about how "blind" you are. Of course this was something i'm sure you probably thought after you started wearing glasses. Your far from blind of course but compared to how well you see with glasses without them you probably do almost feel blind now. I don't really think you were being vain you just didn't think it was so bad to bother getting your eyes checked. Your sister-in-law is still able to accommodate which is why she doesn't feel the need for glasses yet. Like you know, and yes you have learned quite a bit about glasses and how the eyes work, she is farsighted but her left eye is just bad enough that her doctor thinks she should be wearing bifocals or progressives. If she were to get glasses and start wearing them for close work her eyes would very quickly adjust to them and she wouldn't be able to read her phone anymore without her glasses. She probably doesn't realize just how tired her eyes are by the end of the day now or she would get glasses. Next time you're out shopping and you see a rack of the over the counter readers you should pick out a pair that you think would look really good on her and find a pair in +1.25 power. Then give them to her and suggest that she try them when she is doing close work to see if they help her. And your cousin's wife must have been quite surprised that she could see so well at a distance using the add segment of your glasses. Since she tried them 3 different times it might be enough to cause her to get her eyes examined and most likely she will be wearing glasses at your next family gathering. After the 3rd time trying your glasses you should have suggested that she should get her eyes checked. The add segment of your glasses is -1.50 so anything -.75 or over means she should at least be wearing glasses for driving. the whole time everyone was looking at your glasses and trying them on you were just sitting there trying to see whatever you could make out without your glasses. And of course by the time you got your glasses back i'm sure they needed a good cleaning from numerous fingerprints. I'm sure that you very glad to put your glasses back on so you could see things again clearly. You've got to be shocked at fast you went from not wearing glasses to being so dependent on your glasses in such a very short time. The world looks a lot different now when you take your glasses off then it did before you got them. But it also has to look so much better with your glasses on then it has for sometime. One thing i'm sure about is that you're in no way a vain woman. You may have been with getting glasses but I don't thing it was because of vanity. Once you put your glasses on for the very first time i think you pretty much knew that you needed glasses all the time and you were a real trooper when all of us kept telling you that to keep wearing them while you were suffering from headaches caused by your glasses. And yet you still made every attempt possible to continue wearing them. And you had to be at least a little bit nervous wearing glasses for the first time around friends and family. Were you nervous on Sunday knowing that your wearing glasses was sure to be a topic of conversation? But you now seem very comfortable wearing glasses and if anything you're very uncomfortable when you don't have them on now.

You already know that in about 6 months or so your glasses are probably gong to start to feel on the weak side for seeing distances. I'm sure that extra -.50 isn't what you needed for your full prescription or you would have gotten that right away. But once you get your full distance prescription I don't think you will be getting an increase for that anymore but you might need changes in your add a few more times.

Nina 18 Apr 2017, 05:14

Confirmed, i really need glasses, just go out from eye test, doc gave me this prescription +2,00 -0,50x110° left eye +1,75 -0,25x80° right eye, new glasses will be ready tomorrow

Likelenses 17 Apr 2017, 20:59


Wait until a about six or eight months and you will begin having some distance blur again, at which time you will get your full prescription. You will again be amazed at how sharp your vision will be.

That will repeat a few times,and then your eyes will stabilize.

We myopes love to get new prescriptions.

Jen 17 Apr 2017, 20:44


Yes you are right, I spent most if my day at work looking through the add portion of my lens, but not the very bottom while looking at my computer screen. The very bottom I only use while reading small print on paperwork or the screen on my phone. Best of all, no headaches!

It was nice to see family for the holiday, and most people were surprised to see me wearing glasses. Most people thought that my glasses looked great and really finished off my look. There were also a few librarian comments. Some thought that they didn't look like "beginners" glasses and of course wanted to know when I was so sneaky to start wearing contacts. What?! (I think maybe the lenses look so thick because they are big frames and my eyes are pretty close together...) After I explained the whole story to them, that lead to passing them around and everyone taking turns wearing them. It was all in fun when they were all making fun of me for being blind and poking fun at me about being vain and not getting glasses sooner. lol!

My sister in law put them on and wrinkled her nose and squinted her eyes and took them off immediately. She then admitted she had recently had an eye exam and was told she needed to start wearing glasses full time but she hadn't gotten any yet as she doesn't really feel she needs them. I asked her if she knew what her prescription was and she pulled it out of her purse and showed me.(now that I'm so smart about glasses, lol) It read, R +.25 add + 1.25; L +.75 -.25 X 170, add +1.25. No wonder mine didn't work for her. She was a little elusive when I asked her why she went to get her eyes checked, I suspect someone else is in denial too.

My cousin's wife on the other hand tried my glasses on 3 times and mentioned that it was surprising that they were helpful in the distance while looking through the bottom; the top she said was way too strong and the bottom still seemed too strong but nevertheless still helpful. I think she'll be getting glasses soon.

Anyways it took me an hour to get my glasses back, and I hated not having them on. Shocking that I used to walk around that way until a few weeks ago and that that was normal. I've already gotten to the point that the first thing I do is put them on in the morning and the last thing I do at night is take them off. I'm amazed how dependant I've become in such a short time!

Maxim 17 Apr 2017, 11:13

Did you have changes in your living or working environment, did you change your car, or are there different painting chemicals in your office or in your home?

I am suffering from dry eyes, when driving during rain - I need the heater to get the windshield clear, and this warm dry air hurts the eyes, as an example.

After your description, I would not believe, that the problem lies in the correction lenses - the 0.25 differences could be tolerated - I think, it's something hidden.

Another idea is checkinig changes in cosmetics, shower gel, skin & body lotions, clothing - check everything for being the cause of sore eyes!

Maxim 17 Apr 2017, 11:06

Are you very much working (e.g. more than 1 hour during the day, and more than 5-10 minutes at a time) ..

.. with computer or laptops screens,

.. or even (worse) with smartphone screens,

do you do general office & paper work, or close-up work (repairs of small items),

or do you experience the new problems during distance vision (walking in the street, public transport, driving the car etc.)?

Josh 17 Apr 2017, 10:33

Hi guys!

I’m 32 years old and i’ve been wearing glasses for 14 years now. I’ve had different frames (including prescription sunglasses) and I’ve never had any troubles adjusting. This time it’s different...

Last summer I ordered glasses online. The eye exam was made by a partner optician. It was:

R: -1.75 / -0.75 / 92

L: -2.75 / -0.75 / 53

My further prescription was:

R: -1.25 / -1.00 / 90

L: -2.00 / -1.00 / 55

I also had sunglasses with a slightly different prescription:

R: -1.50 / -0.75 / 90

L: -2.00 / -1.00 / 58

With the new glasses I had problems right away. On one hand, my eyes got tired and dry, and on the other hand, I had the feeling that my vision wasn’t quite right when focusing on different distances. When focusing on a point for a longer time, it was ok. Three weeks later, i got another eye exam. The optician slightly lowered the prescription as he thought that the glasses were overcorrected:

R: -1.50 / -0.75 / 88

L: -2.25 / -1.00 / 54

Thereafter it was a bit better, but far from perfect. I still felt kind of a dizzy when walking around and my eyes got dry and tired. Another eye exam was made and lenses were adjusted:

R: -1.00 / -1.00 / 90

L: -2.00 / -0.75 / 65

Because the prescription was now weaker, i chose 1.5 as refractive index (1.6 before). Unfortunately I still wasn’t happy. I didn’t get dry and tired eyes anymore, but vision wasn’t good. Besides I had the feeling that I saw worse than with my old glasses because of the weaker prescription. The online retailer took the glasses back. So I went to a coventional optician and chose new glasses. The result of the eye exam was:

R: -1.50 / -0.75 / 89

L: -2.00 / - 1.00 / 61

That was exactly the prescription my sunglasses have and I’ve never had problems with my sunglasses. Besides the prescription of my old glasses was very similar, just 0.25 diopters less on the right eye. The refrective index was 1.6. Unfortunately i had the same problems. Two weeks later the optican tested all again (incl. PD, BVD, alignment). The result of the eye exam was the same. The optician made new lenses with the center on a different point. But I had the same problems. A few weeks later, the optician made new lenses with refractive index 1.5, as he supposed that it could be the reason for my problems. I’ve had those glasses for 5 weeks and it was by far the best result but still not good. Eventually my optician told me to choose new frames. He did another eye exam; same result.

So these are the glasses I got now and I’ve been wearing them for a month now. I still have the same troubles: Dry and tired eyes, vision is not perfect and I got headaches from time to time. I don’t know what to do anymore and my optician either… Is it possible that the prescription is too strong although I have the same prescription in my sunglasses that I wear without any problem? And can 0.25 diopters change that much and is it possible not to accommodate to them? Or could it be because all of my further glasses were squared and the ones I’ve tried now are all round? Or do you have any other ideas? I would really appreciate it! Thanks a lot!

Soundmanpt 17 Apr 2017, 10:18


Thank you! I think you must have had a very nice Easter as well now that you have your glasses and you're finally not getting constant headaches wearing them. The best thing you could say was that you LOVE your glasses. You're still getting used to remembering to only moving your eyes when you need to see something up close. Right now you have to think about it when you start to read something but it won't be long until your eyes will just make the change from distance to seeing close up naturally. Over the long weekend you have probably mostly been using the distance part you you glasses which it sounds like increasing your prescription has made your distance eyesight with glasses even clearer. Once you go back to work you will be using the add much more. I think you're going to find that now going to see close up much better as well. You should start to find that your eyes won;t be nearly as tired at the end of a work day Remember what the doctor told that the reason you became so nearsighted was likely due to all the close work you do.

I'm sure you enjoyed the complements you got on how nice you look wearing glasses. Were any of them surprised to see you wearing glasses? I'm sure that most of if not all of the women tried on your glasses. Did you get any comments about how strong they are? Your glasses really aren't that strong but to anyone that doesn't wear glasses your glasses will seem strong to them.

Jen 17 Apr 2017, 05:54

Hi all. Hope you had a great Easter!

Well I've spent the weekend now wearing my new progressive glasses and I must say I LOVE them! I'm still learning where to look and how to use them but it's getting easier.

With the slightly increased prescription for distance, I can't believe that things in the distance could be even sharper! With the close up part of the prescription, now things up close are clear too, and everything in between.... When I had my first glasses I was so pleased with how well I could see in the distance, that I didn't realize I had trouble seeing near. Without glasses I couldn't see anything more than a foot away from me clearly and with them on I was having a hard time seeing things inside 3 feet clearly without straining. Now everything is crystal clear at all distances! Without squinting or straining!

Thank you all for helping me through this process.

I'm so happy! :-)

BTW, I received lots of compliments from extended family at our Easter gathering about how nice my glasses look on me.:-) When I explained they were progressives, the conversation outed a few others in the family that could maybe use a little visual help too. Yay! I'm not alone.

NNVisitor 15 Apr 2017, 21:02

I have never had bifocals or progressive eyeglasses. When wearing my contact lenses I typically would carry reading glasses with me for reading small print. When not wearing my contact lenses I would be wearing my glasses. To read smaller print I would either take my glasses off or use a magnifying glass.

I have a few mobile devices. The latest has a blue light filter which I use. I have an IPad and a cell (smart) phone as well both of which do not have the blue light filter. Apparently I am sensitive to bright light thus I typically keep the screens at a low light setting. I notice when looking at the screens of other cell other users that they are kept on a bright setting.

I'm wondering if blue light can actually harm ones eyesight? Also is the high brightness setting harmful to our vision? Or is the setting just indicative of one's visual sensitivity level?

Soundmanpt 15 Apr 2017, 10:43


So you were just looking at the over-the-counter readers that they sell at quite few stores and you found a pair that you liked how they looked on you, so you bought them. You're not the first young lady to do that. Glasses are very popular now so many young ladies want to wear glasses just for fashion sake. I doubt that you even paid any attention to the power of the lasses which you now know is +1.50. If you had you might have been able to find the same glasses in a weaker power of +1.00 which would have been better for your eyes and easier to see with as well. And of course you weren't going to buy glasses if you didn't intend on wearing them. But surprisingly they were comfortable to you for seeing close up and even tolerable for distance if not almost perfect. So of course by wearing them your eyes have adjusted to them and so anytime you were looking at your phone you had your glasses on because you had started wearing them full time. So I assume that wearing glasses was becoming more and more comfortable to you and you enjoyed wearing glasses. Did you ruin your eyes by wearing those glasses? Well yes and no. You're almost certain to be prescribed glasses when you get your eyes examined on Tuesday. But even though you didn't show any indication of needing glasses before you got those readers I think you probably would have been surprised before this if you had gotten your eyes checked because you likely would have been told that you needed a prescription, but because you're only 19 you still had enough accommodation left so you didn't show any signs of needing glasses. But by wearing the readers it quickly took away that accommodation and now you can't see your phone without glasses anymore. be sure after you get your eyes examined to ask for a copy of your prescription. That way we can tell you what the numbers mean. I will warn you to plan on picking out glasses after your exam.

Soundmanpt 15 Apr 2017, 09:46


Finally! I'm sure that is what you must have said when you finally got your glasses. I hope the optician did a good job of fitting your glasses on you. With progressives fitting is far more important than with single vision glasses. When you're looking at anything in the distance such as driving you should only be seeing through the distance part of your glasses unless you look down with your eyes you shouldn't see any part of the mid range area you now have in your glasses. Sounds like your eyes didn't have any problem with adjusting the added increase they gave you for your distance. You said that they made you deal on a pair of single vision glasses I assume so you could see to drive home. Actually for what they put you through they really should have just given them to you at no charge. Every optician I know will tell you that they have broken customers frames, it happens, but not with a new frame. It usually happens with an older frame because the plastic gets brittle with age. But even then it's rare to happen. I assume they put your updated prescription for distance in them? Since they will only be for distance you probably should keep the in the glove box of your car since that would be when you might ever need them. And you might even want to wear them just for driving since they will be perfect for that.

Yes i'm sure it's much different adjusting to progressives than it was with your single vision glasses. Now your lenses are really in 3 parts, or segments. At least your eyes were already adjusted to seeing distance with glasses so nothing new their except a slight increase which your eyes seem fine with already. But now you have to learn to only move your eyes when you need to see something like your computer monitor. And if you are reading from a book your eyes will need to move even lower to the reading area or add segment. I'm sure right now your eyes are having a hard time finding those areas or "sweet" spots in your lenses. But it seems like once your eyes find the sweet spot for close up you're able to see easier with much less effort. Trust me it won't take long at all before everything is going to be completely natural and your eyes will instantly go straight to where they need to be depending on what you need to see.

It certainly has been an interesting couple weeks for you that's for sure. You got prescribed with your first glasses something you really didn't want and were trying hard to avoid. Even worse you quickly find out that you really need to be wearing the full time. Your distance wearing glasses is great and you actually seem to love your glasses. But you're constantly bothered with headaches caused by doing close work because your glasses are too strong for seeing close. Then the unthinkable the optical shop breaks your glasses and of course they don't have your frame in stock. But let's hope everything gets better now.

Curt 15 Apr 2017, 09:06

Jen: the trick most people quote is "point you nose at what you want to see". Try not to look through the edges of the lenses; that is where all the distortion is.

Nina 15 Apr 2017, 05:04

I get the glasses, just for fun, like doing close things in them was nice, i kept wearing them full time, i have 19 years old and like the look in glasses, but before glasses i can read small prints, now i can´t, i´m a bit worried, i have an eye test tuesday

Likelenses 14 Apr 2017, 21:18


Be careful about posting photos of you in glasses with comments about your glasses on social media ,or you are likely to show up here sometime, on the thread Seen On The Web.

A few months back someone here found and posted photos of my girlfriend. She is very nearsighted, and also wears bifocals.

I never told her that she showed up here,and until now never acknowledged it here either.

If she knew, she would be very upset.She had some comments from people that she did not know, asking questions about her eyesight, and prescription, which kind of freaked her out.

Jen 14 Apr 2017, 20:09

Hi all. I finally got my glasses with progressive lenses in them. So far I think I like them. They definitely are going to take some getting used to. It's nice they put my stronger distance prescription and things are even sharper than before. (just a little)

It is now much easier to see things closeup, seems like much less work. It s weird though to try to find the right part of the lens to look through. I keep bobbing my head around. :-) I also feel like there's lots of distortion while looking around, which I'm sure will seem normal soon. Best part though is I didn't have any headaches today! Yay! Hopefully things normalize soon.

Soundmanpt 14 Apr 2017, 09:01


I suspect that the only reason you bought the +1.50 glasses in the first place was because you must have been having some difficulty with reading in the first place or felt like your eyes were being strained with seeing close up. Most likely you are experiencing the early signs of presbyopia. I'm sure that your glasses were helping you or you wouldn't have continued wearing them. So all that has happened is that your eyes have easily adjusted to your glasses. When that happens your eyes become much more relaxed which relieves the strain to your eyes. But now with your eyes relaxed they can no longer read small print comfortably anymore. What has happened to your eyes is very normal and at some point your problems with reading were sure to worsen. But even though your glasses seem to perfect to you I still suggest that you get your eyes checked by an ECP (eye care professional) in the very near future. It is very possible that you need a slightly different prescription than those readers might be. It even sounds like your eyes didn't object much to your seeing distance with them so there is a possibility that you might even need a small prescription for seeing distances as well. But no your wearing glasses didn't ruin your eyesight, but your eyesight has changed which is not unusual to happen.

NNVisitor 14 Apr 2017, 08:44


It seems like you only need the glasses for reading small print. Not all day use. I really don't think they can ruin your eyes. I'm not an expert. An optometrist or an opthalmogist is whom you should consult for an informed definative answer.

NNVisitor 14 Apr 2017, 08:38


I'm just about lost for words to respond. I hope everything works out well. I expect it will work out in a positive way going forward. Will your glasses now have the updated distance prescription? Or are you leaving it as the one you've been wearing these last two weeks?

Going around without your glasses for a while really shows the visual contrast between not wearing glasses and wearing them. The positive takeaway is that you have adjusted to the much clearer almost everything you see when wearing your glasses. There was no way you could have known in advance that reading, computers would cause you headaches when you were wearing your glasses. This situation will now be fixed and you'll be able to say "Yay no headaches".

Nina 14 Apr 2017, 07:42

Hi, i didn´t wear glasses till 3 weeks ago when i bought some readers in a drugstore, they are +1,50, comfortable for close vision a bit blurry far but tolerable, i was thinking i didn´t really need them, but wore them fulltime the last days, yesterday when i woke up i tried to read a msj in my cell phone whitout glasses and i can´t, ok i just wake up, rub my eyes a little but i still can´t without glasses, put my glasses on and it´s better, did i ruin my eyesight by wearing glasses, help please!

Jen 13 Apr 2017, 18:16

Sorry, I should have been more clear. They are just single vision lenses.


Likelenses 13 Apr 2017, 17:45


When you said no frills, non progressive, did you mean that they are lined bifocals?

Jen 13 Apr 2017, 17:13

I'm releived. They offered to make me a pair of glasses from a discounted pair of frames! Yay! They are completely a no frills, non progressive pair but will serve well as a backup to my normal ones. The price seems to be right and they reminded me of their warranty that allows you to return them for a store credit if you don't like them. I may keep them, they are not terrible looking or anything, they're just not cute like my other ones. Anyways they are going to call me when the replacement glasses are finished which they thought would be around noon or so. Fortunately, a pair was found locally at another one of their stores so I won't have to wait any longer. Hopefully after tomorrow this chapter can be behind...

Soundmanpt 13 Apr 2017, 16:15


Are you kidding me??? I can't believe they broke your glasses. That sometimes happens to older glasses when they replace lenses but not when they are new. There must have been a flaw or weak spot in the plastic. It was probably difficult enough wandering around the mall without your glasses while they were replacing the lenses and now you're going to be without glasses until sometime tomorrow. I don't blame you if you want to have a good cry. Without any doubt you have have really had an interesting couple weeks haven't you? After all this gets straightened out you might consider writing a book about your adventures with getting your first glasses. I see a possible best seller. Anyway on a more serious note, I have a feeling that you drove yourself to the mall and optical store? Without glasses you can't see nearly well enough to drive home so how are you going to get home and also get your car home? Funny thing that several of us were already suggesting that you need to get a 2nd pair of glasses because you were clearly becoming dependent on your glasses for for distance. But of course this happened much sooner than anyone would ever expect so nothing you could have done this soon anyway. But now you see how your glasses can get broke in crazy ways.

You know I was planning on making a suggestion to you earlier when it seemed like you had decided on getting the progressives. I knew that you were going to have to give your glasses to the store so they could cut the lenses and fit them in your frame and that would mean that you would be without your glasses for at least an hour if not longer. So I was going to suggest that you might want to first order a pair of single vision glasses in your new prescription as backup and also order a pair of single vision sunglasses at the same time and not take your glasses in to get the lenses changed until your backup pair came in. That way you would have been able to do whatever you wanted while they change the lenses except maybe read. Sorry I was too late but you probably wouldn't have wanted to wait 2 weeks for your backup pair to arrive anyway. Also while I think about it if and when you decide to order a backup pair with your full prescription you really only need single vision sunglasses because I doubt that you would be doing much if any reading while wearing sunglasses. You should be able to see the gauges on the dashboard with the add segment. That way your sunglasses should be less that $18.00.

I'm truly sorry about your glasses being broke, i'm sure the optical store felt pretty bad as well.

Madeup 13 Apr 2017, 15:40

It is, you know.

antonio 13 Apr 2017, 14:47

Poor Jen,

I understand you,

for me would be even worse to be without glasses

all the best you get new ones soon,

best regards, antonio

Jen 13 Apr 2017, 14:23


They broke my frames putting the new lenses in them!!!!! They are not going to be able to fix them....they are working on figuring out how to get new ones ordered in.

Looks like they can't get replacement frames in until tomorrow. I'm slightly embarrassed that I'm crying about not having glasses for tonight. Not sure why I'm emotional about this. I just can't believe it!

Jen 13 Apr 2017, 12:52

Well, I decided to cut out of work early to get new lenses for my glasses. I'm excited to get my vision fixed once and for all. Seems as if this has been a long and bumpy road, which I'm sure will pay off in the end.

I just handed over my glasses for them to update. Now I'm wandering the mall and I can't see anything! OK, maybe an exaggeration, but I can't believe I lived like this before! Everything is SO blurred, much worse than I remember!!! Why did I wait so long? Since I got my glasses I haven't really taken them off, especially not out and about.(except the coffee shop episode) My denial and vanity kept me from getting glasses years ago, deep down I think I knew I needed glasses but I thought the problem would go away if I just ignored it. In the end it didn't and I need glasses anyways, not to mention I missed out on alot over the years.

Now knowing what I'm missing, I'm wandering about the mall, half blind; frustrated that I can't see things, I'm as excited as a school girl waiting for my glasses to get done!

Jen 13 Apr 2017, 10:39

Thanks guys for the encouragement!

Well I've made my decision, I'm going to go have progressives put into my glasses this afternoon. Looking forward to getting rid of the headaches. I'm over the fact that bifocals/ progressives represent getting older. If they work, and they look good.... Who cares?


Whats the Difference? If I need glasses, whether they're bifocals or not? Putting my pride behind me, if I have a flaw or a weakness, I'm OK with that. Noone likes perfect people anyways.....


Likelenses 12 Apr 2017, 17:54


It is interesting that your doctor bumped up the prescription by -.50,and you are still not at your full correction.

No one can predict with a high degree of certainty, but my guess is that in six months you will need another -.50 ,and within two years top out somewhere around -5.00, which is a great prescription.

As I had said earlier, you really need to maintain the proper distance for near work, to keep that myopia from going too high.

NNVisitor 12 Apr 2017, 14:25


It's been a big change for you going from no glasses to glasses. You've picked out frames that you love. You've transitioned well into wearing glasses. You have accomplished a lot in a short time.

You previously wrote that you wanted a backup pair. If so and since you've decided on getting progressives you do have the option to leave your present glasses as is and get a second pair as progressives. Just an idea but it's absolutely your choice as to what to do. Should you decide this route the distance prescription of each pair of glasses should be the same so that you won't just wear the one you feel works better.

I just want to comment on what others have written. I have done much reading without my glasses on. My astigmatism correction at slightly higher than -2 in both eyes and my reading has not resulted in eye strain. Furthermore doing so has not increased my myopia. Jen prior to wearing glasses you certainly engaged in reading and computer use. If it didn't cause you eye strain then I can't imagine it do so now.

Whatever you do decide upon is your decision. Best of luck going forward.

Soundmanpt 12 Apr 2017, 12:18


I know your head has to be spinning with how much has happened to you in such a short time. Gong from no glasses to wearing glasses and discovering that you no only needed glasses but that you need them full time and now being told that you really should be wearing bifocals. That's a lot to be hit with for sure. You're the same lovely woman you were 2 weeks only now you wear glasses like millions of other people. If you get progressives, which is what I would go for, no one will even know you're wearing bifocals unless you tell them. I'm sure if asked you doctor he would quickly tell you that at one time getting bifocals did seem to go along with the aging process but that's nit the case anymore. You would probably be shocked if you knew how many young people 20 and even younger are wearing bifocals. It seems like the place that you have dealing with for your eye exams and glasses is very reputable so they should only charge you the difference for your lenses which is more than fair. If you give them the okay which I think you probably can even do over the phone they will order your lenses and when your lenses come in you will have to go in and leave your glasses so they can cut the lenses to fit your frame and put them in. So you're going to be without your glasses for at least an hour. So you need to plan on that. Your doctor and you both seem to agree that your eyes seemed to have adjusted to your glasses just fine for distances For that reason he is also wanting to give you a small increase in your distance to get you closer to your full prescription. He is only increasing it by -.50 which isn't very much at all so you will notice the change but but your eyes should be fine with it. Getting progressives will take some getting used to but I think not getting anymore headaches will make the getting used to part not too bad. I'm sure when you're getting fitted with your glasses the optician will or should give you pointers. The main thing is be very careful on steps at first. My best suggestion is to try and not look down when on steps or curbs.

Jen 12 Apr 2017, 11:24

Thank you all for your comments and advice. I genuinely appreciate it. :-)

Feeling quite discouraged about needing bifocals and it's not because I'm worried about how they will look or anything; but discouraged about the other implications of what that means. What I'm referring to is just getting older and all the other things that go along with it. Youth slipping away.....

It's okay, I know everything will work out just fine and I'll get the right glasses, and the headaches will go away, and I'll be happy. Just coming to grips with the fact that I'm a little over the hill. I've always prided myself in leading people to think I'm younger than I am...

On an upbeat note I'm pretty sure I've decided that I'm going to get progressive lenses put into my glasses because I think that will be the simplest and most practical way to go. I got the impression that they will only charge me the difference of the price above my first lenses. I guess at this point price hardly matters anyways; "if I'm in for a dime, I'm in for a dollar... "

Maybe I'll even treat myself to some sunglasses from an online place!

Soundmanpt 12 Apr 2017, 09:24


Your second trip to your doctor proved to be very informative. I think you know more now then you did after your first eye exam. I'm sure that when you went the first time they didn't expect that you needed glasses so badly otherwise they probably would have dilated your eyes that time. Dilation usually provides a more accurate prescription because it relaxes your eyes. So if they didn't prescribe you with your full prescription they already knew that you would almost certainly be coming back for glasses in about 6 months time. But at the same time I do agree that if they had given you your full prescription it would have only made it that much harder for you to try and adjust to them. Can you imagine how much worse the headaches would be if your glasses were any stronger? And it may have been more difficult with even adjusting for distance which seems to be okay now. I'm not sure why they didn't prescribe you with bifocals right away. They had to know that because of how much close work you do that your glasses were going to be extremely hard for your eyes to adjust to. And they knew you were already heading towards presbyopia. So all this leaves you with several options. But in the end most of them would only be like putting a band-aide on the problem. The doctor told you that your can expect your near vision to slowly get worse. So really that means at some point, probably not far off, you are going to be wearing bifocals or progressives. My suggestion of getting a 2nd pair of glasses with a weaker prescription would very likely work and your doctor even confirmed almost exactly the prescription I recommended for you. But like the others said I don't think it would take long before the changing for one pair of glasses to another pair would be annoying to you. There is one thing that might help you make the decision as to which way you want to go. If you do decide to go ahead and get progressives will they only charge you the difference between your single vision lenses and the cost of the progressive lenses? Since you have only had your glasses for a couple weeks they should deduct what you already paid for your lenses. You do understand that if you get progressives your glasses won;t look any different than they do now. but if you get bifocals which honestly could be a another problem for you because they only have two viewing areas. So they would be great for reading from a book and for driving your car but may not be as good for moderate distance such as seeing your computer monitor and they would have a very noticeable line through the lenses. Progressives gradually change from distance to close up so they have a mid section which is about what you would find most comfortable with seeing your monitor. But if you should decide to get the 2nd pair which I would seriously just get on line if you need any help placing your order I will be happy to guide you, but it is really very easy to do. It might be worth it since you can get your glasses so inexpensively.

Curt 12 Apr 2017, 05:16


I agree with the others. I think you should give the progressives a try. Taking glasses on and off all the time can be a real pain. I think you will really like them once you get used to them.

lentifan 12 Apr 2017, 05:00


Literally millions of people over 40 wear either progressive or bi-focal lenses quite happily with no problems. Personally, I would find the bother of taking off my glasses to read tiresome and irritating. It makes sense to me to have one pair of glasses for all purposes.

I suspect many of the people who choose progressives over bi-focals do so for reasons of vanity, although I'm not sure why they feel the need, as everyone knows that presbyopia sets in sooner or later and it's nothing to be ashamed of. Personally, I think taking off your glasses to read looks rather ridiculous as well as being a bother, as does looking under or over your glasses.

I personally have never worn bi-focals, having gone straight to progressives, having been told at the time that people who have used bi-focals find it difficult to convert to progressives, and as I was attracted to the idea of always being able to focus whatever the distance, I decided not risk starting with bi-focals. It took me about 3 weeks to get used to the progressives; it was not difficult, just a matter of time. I never had the problem going down stairs that I have heard some people warn about.

Just my personal experience.

minus5wholuvsgwgs 11 Apr 2017, 23:42

Jen I got progessives when I was 46 took just minutes to get used to them recommended Lined bifocals are a bit ageing imho

Likelenses 11 Apr 2017, 22:28


" None of these options seem ideal and there are definitely plusses and minuses to any of the choices."

No pun intended on your part, but DEFINITELY plusses, and minuses.

Interesting that about two weeks ago you were bare eyed and in a fog,and you transitioned into a GWG, and now perhaps into a Bifocal Babe.

I think that the bifocals are your best bet, because reading without glasses will still be straining your eyes due to uncorrected astigmatism,and additionally you will be reading at much to close a distance, which will accelerate your nearsightedness.

In the optometrist profession it is generally agreed that if a person has -.75 or more of astigmatism in the better eye, that glasses be worn for both near, and distance.

If you live in the U.S., there is a chain optical company called Americas Best. They have a package price of two pairs of bifocals, and an exam. for $ 99.00. Their frame selection for that price is very nice,and the lenses are of good quality.

george1968 11 Apr 2017, 22:05


Though you appear to have reluctance about doing this, the simplest is actually to get the progressives. Presbyopia has already started and won't get better. Plus you will be able to do work without headaches, and without changing glasses or taking them off.

Most people I know who have progressives were fine after 3-5 days.

Jen 11 Apr 2017, 18:27

Well, I made it to the eye doctor this afternoon.... He confirmed I have some presbyopia that could be corrected. (no big surprise!) In fact, he said that's why he didn't give me my full prescription for my glasses originally... which caught me off guard, I thought I had my full prescription. He showed me the difference between the prescription I have now and the full prescription and it was definitely noticeable. This time he dialated my eyes which was a real shock, and I'm still not feeling quite back to normal. Apparently I have lost a bit of the ability to accommodate and it is unknown if

that is due to my age or the fact that I haven't needed to accommodate in so long due to my nearsightedness.

So we discussed a couple of different options which were pretty much in line with everything that has been discussed on this thread. But in a nutshell this is what he said:

The headaches are caused by the stress of doing too much close work, which also probably contributed to my nearsightedness.

He thinks that I am probably adjusted to my glasses for distance purposes just fine; and I tend to agree.

In the doctor's opinion, my near vision will likely not get much better than what it is now, and then it will slowly get worse; this being due to my age. My distance vision will likely get slightly worse but should stabilize soon.

He wrote me a couple of new prescriptions to have filled at my option. His first recommendation was to get progressive or bifocal lenses. Here is the rx.

OD -3.00, -1.00 x 145 Add +1.50

OS -2.75, -1.25 x 90 Add +1.50

The second option is to get another pair of glasses for close work. The second rx.

OD -1.50, -1.00 x 145

OS -1.25, -1.25 x 90

I think this us pretty much what Soundmanpt suggested.

The third option is to stay with the glasses I have and and take them off or look under them for close work. Since my frames are as big as they are, he recommended I could maybe get smaller frames if I go with this option.


None of these options seem ideal and there are definitely plusses and minuses to any of the choices. At this point I'm not sure what to do but I think tomorrow I'll try choice 3 because it's the simplest, least invasive solution. I tend to like simplicity. But what is the most simple? One pair of glasses that I take on and off? 2 pairs of glasses that I have to swap back and forth between that do a great job at their specific use? Or 1 pair of glasses that try to do it all? Are bifocals or progressives kind of like an old "El Camino"; not a good car and not a good truck.....but loved by those who have the right use for it?

The kids today don't even know what an "El Camino" is.

I guess I'm not a kid anymore.


Jen 11 Apr 2017, 11:15

Looks like I'm too slow for this thread! :-)

Jen 11 Apr 2017, 11:13

Good idea. Will try to do that.

Jen 11 Apr 2017, 11:12

Oh, thanks Soumdmanpt. I didn't see your post. Good advise to think about. Will let you all know what happens after I see the doc, and what sort of solutions we come up with. Will certainly hope to discuss with all of you!

Soundmanpt 11 Apr 2017, 11:06


Something I just thought of. Why don't you make a point of visiting your friend that wears the -1.25 glasses and ask her if you can try them again only this time try seeing how they feel for reading instead of your glasses. Now it won't be perfect because you do have a decent amount of astigmatisms as well but it might give you a better idea of how the weaker prescription feels to your eyes.

Jen 11 Apr 2017, 11:05

Even without you guys' recommendation I was going to go see my eye doctor. Hearing you both confirm that as being the right path to take is reassuring. Thanks.

It is just one of those "gut" feelings you get, that has been telling me I should go do it; even though I hate going to doctors. Glad that the doctor I used was so nice, makes it seem okay to go. I'm confident we'll get to the bottom of this and eliminate the nuisance of the headaches. I'm going to call and see if I can get an appointment for after work and hopefully get this fixed or at least have a little relief soon.

Maybe the relief should come in the form of quitting my job. ;-) Just kidding!

Soundmanpt 11 Apr 2017, 11:01


So sorry to hear that those nasty headaches are back. Just as you said there is no doubt that it's the close work wearing glasses that is triggering the headaches. Like the others have said, you are in fact on the borderline when reading close up often starts to become a problem. And on top of that your glasses being that they are really for seeing distance really aren't a help to you because they are too strong for seeing close up. Like several suggested wearing +1.00 or +1.25 readers over the top of your glasses might be enough to stop the headaches. Because your glasses are -2.50 and -2.25 ( I ignored the astigmatisms on purpose) so by wearing say +1.00 over the top in effect what you're doing is reducing the power of your glasses down to -1.50 / -1.25. The idea is that by doing that for a short while your eyes would be slowly getting used to seeing close up with a prescription and you would then not need the readers over your glasses anymore. And as someone suggested you would need to be careful not to scratch your lenses sliding the readers over them. So I am going to throw another option out their for you. The problem is your glasses, right now anyway, are just a little too strong for your eye for reading. That's the result of you not getting glasses much sooner which would have been weaker and not been the problem with reading you now have. Anyway my suggestion is to simply go on line and order a pair of glasses about half as strong as yours are but strictly for reading and on the computer. You can order a pair of glasses from Zenni foe about $7.00.

If you do that this is what you should order OD -1.50 -1.00 145 / OS -1.25 -1.25 90. Shipping is only $5.00 so it would only cost you $12.00 to make the headaches go away. Bifocals is an option but they will cost a good bit more and at some point your eyes should adjust to your current glasses. It is true you have only had your glasses for about 2 weeks so where you got your glasses should be willing ot do an exchange of your lenses if your doctor will prescribe you bifocals / progressives (no line). So you would only have to pay the difference between your single vision lenses and the bifocal lenses. But that could even be as much as $150.00.

Cactus Jack 11 Apr 2017, 08:19


NNVisitor is right about potentially scratching your glasses. Most OTC readers have plastic frames and nose pieces. The risk is low if you are careful. That is one reason I prefer "Clip-On" Magnifiers.

I guess you could say that Presbyopia is hereditary, because it is in everyone's genes. Many Billion people have inherited it.

Presbyopia, which is the gradual stiffening of the protein of your Crystalline Lenses (your focusing lenses). It actually starts in childhood, but typically does not cause problems until around 40. However, when Presbyopia becomes a problem depends on many factors including, in your case the strength of your Ciliary Muscles. As your Crystalline Lenses get stiffer, the Ciliary Muscles have more trouble changing the power of your Crystalline Lenses. At some point your Ciliary Muscles simply cannot change the power of your Crystalline Lenses, no matter how strong they are.

You may be at or nearing that point. If so, bifocals or progressives may be the solution. Your ECP can help you with that.

Many people start with a low "Add" of +1.00 or +1.50, if their Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses can still contribute to the total. Over time, that ability fades and you need a stronger and stronger Add. However, the Add will never exceed about +3.50 and that only happens if a person needs to do VERY close work. The amount of Add is mathematically related to how close you need to focus.

I think you need to visit your ECP and explain what is happening. It is NOT unusual.


NNVisitor 10 Apr 2017, 20:35


One more thing I want to mention. Wearing a pair of readers over your glasses may scratch your lenses and/or frames thus I think the best first step would be to contact your eye doctor to find the best solution to end your headaches.

NNVisitor 10 Apr 2017, 20:26


I was first prescibed glasses when I was about 7 years old. I was forced to wear them in class at school. At that time I found reading more difficult with glasses on. As an adult I wore glasses and then mostly contact lenses. Reading became more difficult in my mid forties. I had an eye examination with an opthalmologist and I said that I'm having some difficulty reading small print. He asked me my age. I said 46 and he laughed a little and said that it's my age. He then said he could write a prescription for reading glasses or I could by some cheap readers at the drugstore. He said to just bring a newspaper page with small print and see which power of readers worked to read it. Thats what I did. I used them for reading while I contact lenses on. When my contacts were out and while wearing my regular glasse if I had trouble reading I would take my glasses off which solved the problem. I also have astigmatism as well as being nearsighted.

From what you are experiencing it appears that wearing your glasses for reading, computers is causing your headaches. If you keep having the headaches I feel it would be best for you to contact the doctor who prescibed your glasses. You would then probably need another visit to find a solution to end your headaches. That could very well be a weaker pair of glasses for reading, computer use or progressive lenses also known as varifocals or bifocals. Your present glasses will be fine for you to wear except for these activities which are causing the headaches.

Another thing to keep in mind in addition to taking breaks from reading, computer use is too not spend excessive hours doing so. You may over time become a little more nearsighted but with very long periods of reading, screen time it's possible that you may become even more nearsighted. In any event it will be best to discuss your headaches and any other vision issue of concern to you with your eye doctor.

Jen 10 Apr 2017, 20:21

Thank you Cactus Jack! Certainly some things to think about. I think I'm going to have to do something to help out the close up thing. I just cannot function like this. If I understand you correctly, I could just try using readers over my glasses, like +1.00 or +1.25, correct? And I might only need them for a short time, maybe?

Not sure if presbyopia is hereditary, but my mom got her first pair of reading glasses, and come to think of it she was my age. Her prescription went up a lot in the couple years following. She never needed glasses before then, and she only wore her readers for a few months before she started wearing them all the time. By about a year she couldn't read with her readers anymore, so naturally bifocals. Then stronger every year after that for a few years.

I guess I'm wondering if I should go back to my Dr. and discuss bifocals? By not getting them am I just trying to put off the inevitable?

Cactus Jack 10 Apr 2017, 19:45


I looked back to where you posted your prescription. It indicates that you actually have "built in" reading glasses complicated slightly by some Astigmatism. On top of that you are probably pretty close to Presbyopia becoming a nuisance.

That situation often causes your Ciliary Muscles (Focusing Muscles) to be weak. When that is added to Crystalline Lenses becoming stiff from the effects of Presbyopia, it makes focusing close with distance correction, tough.

Ideally, you might be able to strengthen your Ciliary Muscles enough to get by, but I don't think it will be long before you need focusing help for reading and before long for using the computer. It happens to about 99.9% of the adult population on the planet so don't feel lonely.

You might find it useful to get some low power Over the Counter readers (+1.00 or +1.25) that you can wear over your glasses when you get headaches. If that helps, you may be able to avoid the headaches, but try to wear them less and less every day. However, preventing the headaches is easier than curing them either with Aspirin or other headache remedy or putting on the readers.

If you are corrected to 0.00 with your glasses. The amount of additional PLUS you need to focus close is strictly governed by the laws of optics. For example to focus at a typical reading distance of 16 inches or 40 cm, requires +2.50 over your 0.00. It does not matter where it comes from. If you can, you can supply it internally, if you can't, it has to be external, usually with glasses. If you can supply part of the +2.50 internally, you need less external, but the total HAS to be +2.50.

If you supply the total externally, your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses have nothing to do and your Ciliary Muscles get weak. That will ultimately happen, but why rush it if you don't have to.


Jen 10 Apr 2017, 18:01

Well, I'm feeling quite discouraged today as my headaches are back. It is certain now that the close up work is the cause. Was never able to take long enough breaks from my close work to manage the headaches very well. I thought I had come around the corner and felt like I had made it through the adjustment period, but after today, not so much. It was such a nice weekend because no real strain was felt on my eyes, but I did almost nothing that required me to focus on anything close up. The only time they did feel strained or uncomfortable was while reading before bed. I just chalked it up for being tired, took my glasses off and went to sleep. Now I'm pretty sure the headaches would have returned had I kept on reading. It seems to take all my concentration to read, and I often loose my place going to the next line. Reverting to following along with my finger like a little kid! Lol! Just kidding, I'm not really doing that, but feel like maybe I should. Anyways, taking a break from any thing near this evening and hoping for a better day tomorrow. :-)

Soundmanpt 10 Apr 2017, 09:05


One of the reasons I come into "Eyescene" is to try and help, provide tips and pointers as well as encouragement to people like yourself. Getting glasses for the first time can be somewhat life changing and especially when their needed more than just part time. It's very different when you're seeing the world through your glasses. I'm glad you clarified that up about not being able to read the menu at the coffee shop. I was a little surprised when you said that because you've only had your glasses for about a week so you should have still been able to read a hand held menu reasonably well without your glasses. But a menu on a wall several feet away would be too blurry for you to read without glasses anymore. Your friend since she only needs reading glasses her distance vision is fine. You have no reason to be embarrassed. I'm sure when you left your house you felt thought that you could see well enough without them. But really the only mistake you made was not putting them in your bag so if you did need them you would have them handy. Even though you really didn't want to wear your glasses in front of your old friend I am pretty sure that if you had them with you, you would have put them on once you saw that you needed to be wearing them. but now you know, and i'm sure you won't do that again.

It would seem that you have turned the corner and your eyes must be very close to being fully adjusted to your glasses if the headaches are gone now. Once your glasses start feeling natural and you're even forgetting that your wearing them that they must be feeling very comfortable to wear. That is of course is the way you want your glasses to feel.

I wish I could tell you that there isn't any downsides to wearing glasses, but their are a few. You have already experienced one of them, rain. Yes once your lenses start getting enough drops on them it can be distracting or even blinding. So the lesson learned from this is to always have something with you to wipe your glasses with. I'm not sure what area you live in but if you get cold weather I will warn you that when you go from the cold into a warm house you can expect your glasses to completely fog over to the point where you won't be able to see anything through them. I know when you first started wearing your glasses you complained that they seemed to always be dirty. I have a feeling now that you're getting used to wearing glasses you're not needing to clean them as much.

Interesting how you describe how your eyes feel when you don't have your glasses on now. Before you got glasses i'm sure your eyes were really struggling trying to hold focus on pretty much anything. Your eyes should have have felt quite tired by the end of each day just form how hard they working. Now that you're wearing glasses I think you will even enjoy sitting down outside, taking off your glasses and looking off into the blurry distance every so often as a sort of getaway from the real world.

Jen 09 Apr 2017, 18:50

Thank you guys so much! It's nice to have the encouragement from you folks that I'm doing things the right way. Thanks for all the tips!

Just so there's no confusion, when my "coffee" friend had to read the menu to me it was the menu up on the board....not a paper menu. At least I think I could have helped her read things close up; what a sight that would have been. Sigh, the 40's. :-(

BTW, I'm kind if embarrassed to admit how that whole episode went down. What is this, seventh grade? Lol!

Today was another good day, no headaches at all! Wearing glasses almost felt natural and several times I even forgot that I was wearing them. Today going in to the grocery store was the first time I encountered rain with them. A negative aspect of glasses to be sure, but no problem. I just had to stop and wipe them up once inside. Going out to the car I just slipped them into my purse and ran out. Now my eyes feel weird without them on. In the car: hurry up Jen, get them back on....

It almost feels like my glasses hold my eyes where they're supposed to be. I think before, my eyes sort of drifted around in the blur since they couldn't focus on anything specifically. Just as if each eye was trying to focus on the same point, but could only at best just sort of hit the same area. I guess they feel more like they are aimed at a target now.

Funny how now I'm noticing everyone else's glasses; wondering what their story is; etc...

Never thought to much about it before.

Soundmanpt 09 Apr 2017, 10:54


Even though you have only had your glasses for about a week and you're still struggling with headaches I can't believe you didn't at least have your glasses in your bag when your friend picked you up to go for coffee. One thing that you didn't seem bothered by at all was "vanity" but for some reason you didn't want your friend to know that you now wear glasses. But when your friend had to read the menu to you she knew that you needed glasses and i'm sure you did feel like a little kid having to admit that you didn't want to meet her wearing your glasses. Not surprising she made nothing out of it. The reason is very simple. Nearly everyone wears glasses, contacts or have had lasik. In fact a recent survey found that 76% of the population wears some form of vision correction. Your fried seems to be in a bit of denial herself if she needs reading glasses but doesn't wear them. Her need for glasses must still be minor if she was still able to read the menu without any problem. If nothing else came out of meeting an old friend for coffee I don't think you will leave your house without your glasses anymore. And in less than a week your eyes have already become dependent on your glasses. That should mean that your eyes have adjusted to your glasses and the headaches should be getting less and less. I think it is a very good sign that when you got home and put your glasses on to show your friend that your glasses felt so good to be back on. You're correct that you're going to need another pair as a backup or spare pair just in case something should happen to your glasses. Just like "Likelenses" said you never know when a lens might pop out while cleaning your glasses. When I was a small child I remember my mother was walking home and some kids were throwing a football around and one of them accidently hit my mother in the face with the ball and broke her glasses. She did have a spare pair otherwise she would have had to wait for a couple weeks to get new glasses. And he is right about going on line for any extra glasses including prescription sunglasses. Much much cheaper than an optical store. But you don't want to do that until your not getting any,more headaches. I would be much more surprised if your vision didn't seem much worse now than it was before you got your glasses. Your wearing glasses hasn't made your eyesight worse at all. how you see now without your glasses is what your "true" vision really is. Just think a little more than a week ago you were driving around without a care in the world without glasses. Now you can't see much past the front of your car without glasses. I'm glad to hear that you love your glasses now. So all you need now is to get past the headaches.

Cactus Jack 09 Apr 2017, 07:09


I have not entered this discussion because I think you are getting some good suggestions. I think you are doing great.

You should take breaks by looking up from your close work to let your Ciliary Muscles relax some. Your day without close work was good too. Think of it like like lifting weights or how athletes need a few days break from strenuous exercise e.g.,(a game) You need to take a break because Lactic Acid builds up in all working muscles and it heeds to dissipate.

It is also common for new glasses wearers to feel like their glasses have made their vision worse. That is not what has happened.

Vision actually occurs in the brain. Your eyes are merely biological cameras. You brain has amazing image processing capabilities and it can even clear up blurry or distorted images, IF it knows what something is supposed to look like. The brain can even create images without any input from your eyes. Ever had a dream?

What seems to happen is that over the years, your brain has been correcting blurry images, but it takes a lot of effort and energy. When those images are corrected optically, you brain has less work to do. It takes a while for your brain to realize that you have given it some labor saving devices (glasses) and it quits trying to correct the images. In effect it creates a new image processing program and files away the previous program.

If you are not wearing your glasses your brain can reload the old program, but it takes some time and it may complain mightily. Curiously, once your brain gets used to changing ?programs" for with and without your glasses, it seems to be able to swap "programs" very quickly without complaints, other than your being aware that you really prefer your vision with your glasses.

If anyone tells you this stuff in all in your head, they are right.


NNVisitor 08 Apr 2017, 22:08


If your headaches continue during the next few days whiley wearing your glasses you should contact your optometrist that tested your eyesight before buying another pair of glasses. The prescription that my optometrist filled out for glasses has the following written on it under the heading-Notes to Dispenser-"Occasionally small changes are required to provide maximum visual function. Please do not fill this prescription unless you are prepared to make those modifications free of charge".

You really should not be getting headaches for several days from you glasses. As I stated that if the headaches continue day after day you should contact your optometrist to make another appointment. Your eye doctor will verify that your prescription has been filled correctly. If it has been your doctor may based on you near vision headaches write out a prescription for close work only which will be somewhat weaker than your current glasses. Or if you prefer a prescription that can be used for progressive or bifocal lenses.

If your glasses are correct according to your prescription and you require one of the types of eyeglasses I just described your optometrist will write out another prescription. It's better to be sure before purchasing a second pair of glasses with your current prescription so that you don't spend money on a second pair that will also give you headaches while reading and computer use.

Likelenses 08 Apr 2017, 20:05


Yes Jen, with your level of myopia, and astigmatism you do need a back up pair.Even though you plan on always having them on,what would you do if a lense popped out, which does happen quite frequently.

You should consider buying your back up, and possibly sun glasses online. You will be amazed at the savings.

Jen 08 Apr 2017, 19:45

Hi all. Today was a much better day, no headaches at all! Yay! No time was spent working on a computer today, and virtually no other close work.

Was contacted by long time friend whom I haven't seen for probably a decade and we decided to go get coffee. For some reason,and I don't know why; I felt like I couldn't wear my glasses in front of her. Since she came to pick me up and I didn't have to drive, I left my glasses sitting on my nightstand at home and we proceeded to go to a coffee shop I normally don't go to. You can see where this is going. I should have been able to see how this would end up. Let's just say that in the end, my friend had to read the menu to me, she had no doubt whatsoever that I am very dependant on my glasses,(which I left at home) and I sat there miserable not being able to see! Imagine a grown woman acting so childish! Lol!

But I learned a couple of things. Of course my friend didn't care that I now need glasses. She insisted when she brought me home that she come in and see me wearing them. Immediately I put them on and I swear I heard a choir of angels and a light from heaven shining down on me.... Just kidding. :-) My friend admitted to me she needs glasses for reading but doesn't wear them. Nobody cares!

I also learned how dependant I have already become on my glasses. This was really the first time since I got them almost a week ago that I didn't wear them from the time I got up until bedtime.(besides the couple minute breaks here and there) Since I went out and about today without them, I realized I would be in a bad way if I ever broke or lost them. I probably would never lose them though. Once I get through this adjustment period I'm going to have to get a backup pair. Yay! Another shopping trip! Will be easier to pick this time as I am now used to what I look like wearing glasses. I think I actually am starting to like how I look in glasses better than without. Those big frames sort of finish my look. :-)

I know it has been mentioned here already but I really do feel like my vision is much, much worse now than before I started. I'm sure if it was measured again it probably wouldn't be any different, it's just now I know how good it should be. I love my glasses and hope to get through the headache bump in the road soon. And to think, a week ago I didn't want glasses and I even asked the eye doctor for contacts....

And now I never want to be without.....

antonio 08 Apr 2017, 00:20

hello Jen,

not so easy to give you advice

what you do there currently is a fitness program for

your cililary muscles in the eyes,

that seems pretty clear to me,

they are really tired from reading nearby

after a whole day

Make script bigger (on Windows PCs with Ctrl ++ press more than one time this combination in a browser, Ctrl -- makes it smaller again),

because bigger script makes it easier to read for you

and is believed to prevent nearsighted people from getting even more nearsighted.

You could read sometimes without glasses nearby,

not training your cililary muscles, but easing your headaches, you know.

if nothing helps with your headaches you must go back and order only -1,5 in sphere glasses with SAME amount of astigmatism before you can wear your full prescription some months later like you do now.

Another way out would be bifocals with an plus add to read in the down part of your glasses reducing your sphere there as elderly people need, but those frames need to be bigger,

those lenses are more expensive and if they are progressives (progressively reducing sphere correction from up to down in your lens) they are more difficult first when going upstairs or downstairs, so that´s not the solution you should take first,

but if you reach 50 years and more you might need that solution perhaps.

best wishes, Antonio

Jen 07 Apr 2017, 19:37

Thanks for your thoughts on this. Today was a bit of a struggle again for me. I really didn't take my glasses off at all, but had headaches most of the day. Taking breaks from close up work seem to help managing the degree of the headaches. By the end of the day, my eyes are now so tired I can barely see the letters on my phone, even with my arms stretched out. In the morning I could focus on my phone but it was not comfortable.

Hopefully I can enter a fitness program for the ciliary muscles and build up their strength. Should I keep wearing my glasses without taking a break from them to build up those ciliary muscles? Or is the another way I should go?

Cactus Jack 07 Apr 2017, 14:27

One more thought. The idea that a person does not need close focusing help until they are in their 40s in a myth. Years ago, ECPs almost never prescribed bifocals because people younger than 40 simply did not NEED them. Today we know better and there are lots of choices in how to provide temporary or permanent focusing help. Today, glasses with whatever is needed is so common that bifocals or other prescription elements are rarely noticed or commented upon.


Cactus Jack 07 Apr 2017, 14:20

There are two things that can cause the SYMPTOMS of Presbyopia. The obvious one is Presbyopia itself, which is the stiffening of protein in the Crystalline Lens as you get older. The subtile one is the strength and condition of a person's Ciliary Muscles. For their very tiny size, the Ciliary Muscles are the strongest muscles in the body. But like all muscles they can get de-conditioned by lack of exercise or use. The very common cause of Ciliary Muscle weakness is UNCORRECTED Myopia. Uncorrected Myopia is optically, like having built in PLUS reading glasses.

For example, if you need -2.50 glasses (with no or low Cylinder) it is like wearing +2.50 reading glasses all the time and the Ciliary Muscles have no work to do. When you start wearing glasses for distance and try to focus close, your Ciliary Muscles have to start doing work thay are not used to and they often complain. I is really no difference than starting a weight lifting program at the gym. If you think your arm muscles would not be sore or complain, you have not been to the gym.

ECPs are very aware of this problem and often under correct in the first prescription or prescribe a low multi-focal add.

Some years ago, we had a post from a 17 YO in Greece. He had been prescribed -3.50 (1st) glasses and he could not use his computer or read. Naturally, he was worried. We suggested that he needed to go back to his ECP and explain his symptoms. The ECP prescribed low + bifocals, but problems still persisted. The ECP finally prescribed a slightly under corrected trifocal ADD (unheard of in a 17 YOs) with the comment that his Ciliary Muscles were extremely weak. That solved the immediate problem and had the long term benefit of allowing full visual functions while still promoting gradual strengthening of his Ciliary Muscles.

Some of you may remember when Carlos, Jr's. (I think it was) early teen son needed glasses. He had a similar problem and the ECP prescribed a low Plus Add because of problems similar to Jen's. In a couple of months, the son was able to get glasses without the Add.

Hope this offers some ideas.


george1968 07 Apr 2017, 12:20


It's probably a little early to say you need bifocals. If things don't change soon, that might be a possibility. They are not lined anymore, so it's not as revealing of age.

What do your frames look like?

Jen 07 Apr 2017, 11:53

Been disciplining myself today to insure I'm about 20 inches from my computer screen, still getting a headache but is markedly better. Also been looking away from the screen every 20 minutes or so, off into the distance. When I do, things are blurred for a few seconds. Is this normal?

Additionally, I caught myself looking at my phone at almost arms length; having a hard time seeing the small letters on the screen through the glasses.


I need bifocals, don't I?

Jen 07 Apr 2017, 05:36

You guys have all been so nice, thank you for helping me navigate this new life experience! I'm definitely getting more clues as to why I'm having the difficulties I have. I'm keying in on the fact that my troubles seem to stem from the close work I do and unfortunately think that as some of you have mentioned, I may need 2 different prescriptions.

I've noticed during the times when I take my glasses off for a break, indeed I do move much closer to the screen or bring the object closer to my eyes. With the glasses on its definitely sharper but I tend to move it a little further away than without them on. Today I'm going to try to pay better attention to how I adjust the distance of the things I look at, and what affect it has on my headaches, strain on my eyes, glasses on, glasses off, etc... At this point it seems like the common sense thing to do. Regardless,

I'm still going to wear them as much as I can stand it.

Normally I don't take the time to analyze the subtle things I do and why, but this might be one of those times I need to do that. "Slow down and be patient Jen....slow down." ;-)

Likelenses 06 Apr 2017, 23:58


The problem of Jen reading without glasses is that since she is new to any Rx, she will have an even longer period of time to adjust to her glasses.

With the sphere that has been prescribed, reading with out correction will be too close,and give her near point strain.Additionally she has enough astigmatism that without her glasses for near work she will be having an unequal strain on her eye muscles.

If she continues to have headaches, while maintaining proper reading distance, with glasses on, she may have to get a reduced prescription for the short term,and then her full correction in a few months, or her doctor may put her in bifocals,since she is close to that age anyhow.

NNVisitor 06 Apr 2017, 21:12


Just want to say that I sometimes read without my glasses on. My glasses are a much higher minus than yours and I also have astigmatism. Minus glasses make distance vision much clearer. At full correction minus lenses can make distant vision great but reading difficult especially as we are over the age of 40 or so. That could be the reason you are getting headaches. Try some reading and close work with your glasses off and see if that solves the headache problem.

Likelenses 06 Apr 2017, 20:00


Here is some useful info, although not much different from that of what folks here have stated.

Likelenses 06 Apr 2017, 17:35


One important thing that I forgot to mention, being nearsighted usually results in a person bringing reading material closer to their eyes, as the eyes get more nearsighted.

When a person then gets their first glasses,they tend to hold the material at that reading distance that they are used to.This results in eye strain, and often a more rapid increase in the prescription.

I would be willing to bet that you are reading with the glasses on at about eight inches from your eyes.If so you must learn to hold the material no closer than twelve inches.It may at first seem like the print is so small,and it may seem not right to hold it that far away.Regarding computer use, the screen or laptop should be no closer than twenty inches.

Any closer than the above mentioned distances would result in the type of headaches you are having.

Jen 06 Apr 2017, 16:48

Thank you all for replying, I very much appreciate it. :-) Today was a bit better, still had gotten headaches a few times but it was manageable and tolerable. I let the onset of the headaches continue until it felt like it would spiral downward. At that point I took off my glasses and decided it was time for a break. Once the headache started going away, back on they went. In essence, I was regulating my headache at a tolerable level.

A few of things I figured out:

-I seem to have worse vision now without glasses than before I started wearing them.(which you all said would happen)

-I did NOT want to have to wear or get glasses, even until as recent as this past weekend.

-Now, I do NOT want to be without my new glasses. It's just to difficult to see.

-The headaches occur more often when I'm doing close work.

Not a surprise to all of you, all of these things have been predicted by you in some fashion or another. I'm grateful for all the inputs and explanations you folks have given me. I think I shall continue on this way and see how things turn out, hopefully my eyes and brain adjust. If not,.... well I 'll cross that road when I get there. Thanks again for all the advice. :-)

Soundmanpt 06 Apr 2017, 14:51


Sorry to hear that you had such a bad day yesterday. It's perfectly fine to take some breaks from your glasses. It may in fact slow down the adjusting period but what's a few extra days considering how long you went without glasses in the first place. A painful headache is no fun at all. Just try to increase you're wearing time each day. And try to remember to put your glasses on first thing each day. If and when a headache comes on take your glasses off and rest your eyes for a bit before putting them back on. Some doctors will reduce your prescription if they feel like you might have trouble adjusting to your glasses, but your doctor must have felt that you could tolerate the full prescription right away. And as you know glasses aren't cheap and unless you were to go back within 90 days for the full prescription the cost of new lenses would be around $150.00. But if you continue with getting headaches you may have to return to them and see if they might reduce the prescription with weaker lenses and then later come back and have your current lenses put back into them. I hope all this didn't confuse you.

ric 06 Apr 2017, 03:31

Jen: As far as i can remember, when i got my first glasses, at the age of 12, the octor told mom that she prescribed me lower prescription cause being my first glasses will be better for getting used since my first prescription was fairy strong for first time.

ric 06 Apr 2017, 03:31

Jen: As far as i can remember, when i got my first glasses, at the age of 12, the octor told mom that she prescribed me lower prescription cause being my first glasses will be better for getting used since my first prescription was fairy strong for first time.

Likelenses 05 Apr 2017, 22:49


Rather than removing your glasses, first try taking frequent breaks from your close work, by gazing out at some distant object.A few minutes about every twenty minutes of close work should do the trick.

I believe that your eyes are straining due to near point stress caused by the minus power reducing the image size.Have you noticed when you put your glasses on, that images appear to be smaller?This is usually not a problem for the eye with distant objects, but will cause strain at the near point,until the brain realizes the new size. Since your prescription is so strong for a first one,and you are in you're forties you have naturally lost some of your accommodation, so your eyes are straining to see near things for the time being.This is why your eyes are feeling tired.

My girlfriend has had three prescription changes in a one year period, and although they were small{ -.50 }she had trouble adjusting to each one because of the minification of objects at near focus .

Hang in there Babe !

antonio 05 Apr 2017, 22:37

Hi Jen,

those headaches could come Form the fact

You spent many years with somewhat of built-in readers in your lenses. So now when you suddenly read

Nearby with your minus lenses of about -2.5 your

Cillilary muscles in your eyes have to pull

Your lens in the eye a lot what probably causes

your headaches. Solutions for that you have already

found: At first only wear them for driving and looking far

If you read nearby, try without until your eye muscles have strengthened up by using Them.

Another possibility is to get weaker glasses

with only -1.25 sphere correction instead of -2.5

That you actually need, in order to get

Used to weak minus glasses first, as it happens normally

If your headaches never go away you must

make a measurement again of your glasses and eyes

whether they are manufactured without error

And the measurement of your shortsighted and a bit astigmatic eyes (second number in your prescription for each eye) was correct.

All the best to you, antonio

Jen 05 Apr 2017, 19:53

Kind of a rough day today. Was expecting to be more used to things today but instead worse headaches than before. I may have to take break periods from wearing glasses tomorrow. Will probably be stretching out the adjustment period but I have to get a break from the headaches. Another life lesson in patience. Lol! I can only blame this on my own denial and stubbornness for not fixing this sooner. :-)

Soundmanpt 05 Apr 2017, 09:51


I love your sense of humor. Funny isn't how it's like you're seeing so many things now that you never thought others were already seeing. I'm sure going to the mall in the past you really couldn't see the name of the store until you right in front of it. Now you can see it from way down the mall way. I did forget to mention that almost everyone even with a much weaker prescription quickly notices how bright the colors seem to be with their glasses. You're now seeing road signs that before you probably never noticed or even paid any attention to because you weren't able to see them. You did the right think by taking your glasses off to drive home after getting your glasses. Your eyes were already used to driving without glasses and just as you said wearing glasses in your case would without any doubt cause your depth perception to be off a good bit. I'm sure the more you wear your glasses the things you may find to be a negative. Things like coming in from the cold into a warm house or room and suddenly having your glasses completely fog over to the point where you're unable to see anything. Being out on a rainy day and trying to see through all the raindrops on your glasses. Those are things you have never had to experience but you will. The idea of coming in after being outside and taking your glasses off is more of a reaction thing. You're just used to wearing sunglasses and of course the first thing you do when you go inside is take off your sunglasses. But i'm sure as soon as you take off your glasses you quickly realize that things are suddenly blurry. I think everyone that gets glasses always seems to feel like their glasses need to be cleaned. I think it's mostly just getting used to seeing through lenses for the first time and then of course if there is something on your lenses you are sure to notice it. And since you're new to glasses i'm sure at times you forget that you're wearing glasses and try to rub or brush your eye and bump the lens instead or you may still be adjusting your glasses because they are bothering you and you touch the lens. Even a small touch will leave a smudge on your lenses. But like everything else as your eyes get more and more used to seeing through lenses a lot of that will go away for you. It was in fact a good idea that you got a larger size frame. Nit only does that provide you with a much bigger viewing area but with a smaller frame your eyes would have constantly been seeing part of the frame in your vision line which can be annoying to a first time glasses wearer.I'm sure that your glasses are plenty lightweight but because you're not used to having anything on your nose constantly after a while i'm sure they do make your nose feel a bit sore. But like everything else that will go away rather quickly as well. As for the headaches I hope that with each day the headaches don't come on as fast and aren't as painful. I know you're really trying hard to get your eyes adjusted to your glasses and you're really doing good pushing through it. You're right, it would have been so much easier on you and your eyes if you had gotten glasses long ago. I can't tell you how long you have needed glasses but certainly more than 3 or 4 years I would think. You need to talk to your friend that let you try her glasses and ask her about her glasses history. Most likely the glasses she is wearing now weren't her first pair. She probably started off with even a weaker pair than the ones she wears now. She probably only needed her first glasses for driving and going to the movies, or a concert. So it was much easier on her eyes to adjust to her glasses when she needed to wear them. And then after a year or so she probably started to notice that even with her glasses on things were slightly blurry. And that is probably the glasses she is wearing now. And because they are a little stronger she must have decided she would rather wear her glasses full time and see everything clearly. So she never had to deal with headaches. "likelenses" is right that you will almost certainly need an increase in about 6 months time. Because your eyes were so badly strained when you git your eyes exam it makes it that much harder for the optometrists to fully correct your eyes. Did they dilate your eyes when you got them examined? That usually will provide a more accurate prescription, but still not perfect. What happens is because your eyes have ben accommodating for so long once th doctor started putting lenses in front of your eyes you were able to see the 20/20 line and that is all the doctor has to go by. But a part of that was with the help of your brain and not really what your eyes were able to see. Now I don't think that your going to need a big increase but enough that you will notice. But you won't have the headache problem again. By the way nearly all my comments are long.

Cactus Jack 05 Apr 2017, 09:15


That is natural and healthy to be curious about how optics and vision work. It will not be long before you have to manage your vision on your own and the better you understand how it works, the better decisions you can make about your eye care.

I have done a lot of industrial teaching over the years. Most of the time I was teaching technicians how to troubleshoot and repair equipment. Other times I was teaching how to use a product. I try to concentrate on helping the student UNDERSTAND how things work rather than just learn ONE way to "fix" one problem. If you UNDERSTAND how something works, you can analyze and fix many different problems.

I purposely stopped where I did, because this can get a bit complex and I want you have have time to think about how all this works. To really understand this stuff, you probably need a bit more math and science than you have had in school so far, and you probably have not had Physics yet. That makes it a bit harder, but it is still doable. You may find it necessary to do some additional study.

I suggest we start with each of the Elements in your Prescription, one at a time. When you are comfortable with an Element, then we can go on to the next Element and maybe some that are not in your current prescription.

Some of the Elements take a lot of words to explain and some additional effort on your part to understand.

I suggest we start with the Sphere correction. It is the easiest to understand, but it is still a bit complicated. You can ask a 10 word, 10 second question that requires a 1000 word answer that takes an hour to write.

I don't mind helping you, but you need to be patient and be willing to do some work, yourself.


Jen 05 Apr 2017, 07:22


Thank you for your explanations. I do spend a lot of time doing computer and other close up work. My plan is to keep wearing my glasses as much as possible to speed up the adjustment process. I sure hope it doesn't take a couple of weeks because I don't want to have to deal with headaches like this for that long.

My eye Dr. mentioned just as you did, not to be surprised if my vision started slipping in a few months and that I would probably need a prescription adjustment. Sounds to me like that must be common with first prescriptions.

I feel like after today I should/will have adjusted a lot more and will have a better idea how long it's going to take. It's weird to me that my eyes feel so relaxed in some ways but worked very hard in other ways, in a very nondescript sort of way. I'm optimistic this will settle out soon. Is it common that everybody wearing glasses goes through this as well? Could the headaches have been avoided had I gotten glasses years earlier?

Likelenses 04 Apr 2017, 23:48


I agree with the others, that it is the astigmatism correction in your lenses that are causing your headaches. However depending on how much close work you do during the course of your day, it could also be the nearsighted correction.

At age 41, to have as strong of a minus correction, things appear smaller. If you do a lot of reading, or work on a computer, these smaller images, are causing you some strain, hence the tired eyes that you described.You should be able to get used to it, but if it persists for more than a few weeks, you should call the doctor.He may then reduce the prescription slightly, or prescribe bifocals.

Do not be surprised if after six months to a year you find your vision again beginning to blur.After your eyes settle in to this prescription ,it will increase a bit.

Because you have myopia that actually began about fifteen years ago, and it has increased since then, you have what is called adult myopia.

My girlfriend is in her forties, and has been myopic since her teens, but her myopia is still increasing.

She began wearing bifocals a bit over a year ago, and both her distance, and near prescriptions have increased.

She is participating in a two year study conducted by a university optometry school, looking into adults with advancing myopia.

Jen 04 Apr 2017, 18:15


Thank you for asking how things are going. Sorry in advance for such a lengthy answer.

Although I love being able to see so well, some of the side effect of adjusting to glasses are bothering me. I'm still in awe of how sharp things are! I keep mentioning to people how I can see this or that, and they are like "yes, we know....that's the way normal people see." lol! Did you know that when you're at the mall, the signs on the stores can be seen from across the way? I thought you had to walk up to the store to find out what store it was! I can't believe how colors seem more vivid also! Not to mention how much easier it is to see the road signs while driving. Initially I did take off my glasses to drive home just because I felt like I couldn't judge distance very well. That part of the adjustment is getting better even thought it's weird glancing down at the sloping floors while walking. As silly as it sounds, I'm able to see the texture of the ground while walking; did you know carpets have fibers and concrete has grain to it? :-)

There are a few negative aspects I'm experiencing. Whenever I come in from outside, the first thing I do is take my glasses because I feel like I'm wearing sunglasses. Kind of funny actually! Then I realize how poorly I see without them, so it's self criticing. Also, I'm always cleaning them, I can hardly stand even the minutest piece of dust on them. I keep feeling like the frames are blocking my view of the world which is silly seens how they are actually enabling lenses to give me a view of the world. I'm glad I chose a larger pair of frames for that reason. I like my frames a lot and think I look good in them, but by the end of the day my nose is sore where they rest. They are perfectly comfortable in the morning but begin to feel heavy by the end of the day. But the biggest side effect I'm experiencing right now is the headaches. It began today about 2 hours after putting on my glasses and continued all day. I'm sure my brain is relearning how to see so I'm trying to just power through without taking them off. I'm betting day 3 will be better.

I'm glad to finally have gotten glasses and wish now I would have done so sooner. There must be so much that I have missed over the years. Some blemishes I would rather nor see... Lol! Right now, I think I'll be a full time glasses wearer. Previously I thought I would just need them for certain occasions, but after only 2 days I think I've proven myself wrong. I thought occasional wear would prevent me from being dependant on them; think I already am. I love being able to see, but will be glad when the headaches subside, hopefully that's sooner rather than later.

Fay 04 Apr 2017, 18:00

Cactus Jack

I read what was on the link, and while I did not understand all of it I was able to use what you wrote here to help me understand some of it. I guess the only question I have for now is my inital question. Could you explain what all those numbers and words really mean especially in context to my vision and how it is. I guess I just want to understand what is wrong with my eyes, why I need glasses.

Soundmanpt 04 Apr 2017, 10:07


You're reaction to seeing with glasses for the first time is about what I expected your reaction would be. Remember you have needed glasses for quite a while, actually for several years. So the slow change in your eyesight wasn't as noticeable to you because it changed at a slow pace. Now with your glasses you are correcting all those years of changes in one step. So of course it would be shocking to you to suddenly see all the things that you have not been seeing clearly for so long. So you have to understand that your eyes and brain are also in shock as well. Even though you're seeing so well already with your glasses your brain is still trying to ignore the prescription of your glasses. So it may take a few days for your brain to fully accept the added help of your glasses and start to relax more. As you may recall I even commented that you might feel a bit dizzy as well as getting a headache from your glasses. But I assure you the second day of wearing glasses will be much better than the first day and the 3rd day even better and by then you will be seeing everything perfectly. You mentioned that when you take your glasses off now everything seems even more blurry than before you got your glasses. That is very normal and understandable as well. Over the years since your eyes started changing your brain has been doing extra work in helping you see things better than you really could see them. It's called accommodation. For example if you saw a sign and you could see the golden arches you knew that it was a sign for McDonald's even though you maybe could only make out several letters in the word McDonald's. That was how you brain was helping. This may sound scary to you but how you see now when you take your glasses off is what your actual eyesight really is. I don't think I have to assure you that your glasses aren't in anyway making your eyes worse. The next time you're out driving later in the afternoon, pull into a parking spot and either take your glasses off or slide them down your nose so you are looking over the top of them. Now ask yourself how you were able to see to drive without glasses with your family in the car for so long? A little scary isn't it? When you picked up your glasses did you wear them driving home or did someone else drive? If you drove you probably should have kept them off until you got home. Your eyes needed some time to adjust to them before driving with them. I'm sure your friend that let you try her glasses on was pretty surprised trying your glasses on? Your glasses are more than twice as strong as hers and that doesn't even count for your astigmatisms and explains why her glasses are nearly useless to you. I told you that you could expect to get a lot of very nice complements on how good you look wearing glasses. And i'm sure you do look very nice wearing glasses now. You're a woman so I have never seen a woman yet that didn't stop to check her looks if a mirror was anywhere around. Just like it is going to take a little getting used to wearing glasses it is also going to take a little getting used to seeing yourself wearing glasses. But wearing them full time it won't take long at all before you get used to seeing yourself wearing glasses. It seems that you already agree that you need to be wearing your glasses all the time. Sounds like your husband likes his sexy little glasses wearing librarian.

Over all do you feel like your eyes are adjusting pretty well to your glasses and how are you doing with getting used to wearing glasses?

Cactus Jack 03 Apr 2017, 21:44


Traditionally, optical prescriptions are written with the Right Eye on the first line.

OD Sphere -3.00, Cylinder, Axis, Prism 9 Direction Base Out, Prism 3 Direction Base Up

and the Left Eye on the second line.

OS Sphere -5.25, Cylinder -0.75, Axis 120 degrees, Prism 9 Direction Base Out, Prism 3, Direction Base Down.

OD stands for latin Oculus Dexter. OS is Oculus Sinister.

Prescriptions are so standardized that often they are written as yours was and the lens maker knows what is what, without the labels.

Sphere corrects your Nearsightedness or Myopia

Cylinder and Axis (they always go together) corrects Astigmatism.

Prism corrects eye positioning muscle imbalance (the cause of your ghost images)

There are 6 muscles on each eye. They work in opposing pairs. One pair moves your eyes Left and Right, one pari moves your eyes Up and Down, and the other pair moves your eyes obliquely.

A prism looks like a triangle when viewed from the end. The sharp point is called the Apex and the side of the triangle that is opposite the Apex is the Base. Prisms bend light rays toward the Base.

You have two prism components in your prescription. The first means that your eyes try to converge or turn inward. That is corrected by the Base Out (BO) prism. Your eye also do not point in the same direction obliquely. That is corrected by the Base Up (BU) in one lens and Base Down (BD) in the other.

In the case of your glasses the edges of the lenses will be thicker in the direction the Base of the prism.

We can get into more about how the lenses in your glasses work and what the numbers actually mean about your ability to see without them.

That requires a lot more to get your mind around after you digest the above.

Here is a link to a well written paper about The Eye.

You may have to study it to understand all the information.

By the way, I am NOT and Eye Care Professional. My background is Electronic Engineering and Computer. I learned about vision and optics through self study and some physics courses in school. I have some vision problems that are similar to your and I wanted to know more about how my eyes and vision worked.

I really hope this helps and I encourage you to so some research and self study. You are going to be dealing with this for a long time. I have been dealing with my vision problems since I was around 10. I am 79 now.

There are constant developments in the vision correction field and some of your current problems can be corrected when you are a little older. The important thing is to use glasses for correction right now, because they are relatively easy to change as your vision changes. You are at the stage in your Education where good vision is VERY important.

You have found some clever solutions to not being able to see well and I congratulate you. Glasses are much more efficient and you need to be gathering knowledge in the most efficient way possible.

When you are ready with more questions, please feel free to ask.


Jen 03 Apr 2017, 21:22

Yes, of course my immediate family. Kids thought it was funny and my husband really likes them, likes the little librarian look. He wants me to wear them all the time. Of anyone, he's not surprised that I needed them.

Several friends saw me with them and they had nothing but compliments. A few comments from some that were surprised and that they didn't know I wore glasses and /or contacts. They looked puzzled when I told them these are my first pair. My good friend who let me try her glasses on, of course wanted to try mine and exclaimed " oh my god, you're wonder you're always squinting ". (didn't realize I squinted that much) Of course she warned me of crowsfeet by squinting and not wearing them. She claimed she could hardley see out of mine even after wearing them for a couple of minutes, I also tried hers on again and same thing as before, they only help me a little- doesn't seem like there's much there for a prescription. Comparing her glasses to mine, mine appear to be substantially thicker and kind of reflect differently around the edges. I must admit, I thought my glasses would be a little thinner when I got them, not that they're hideous or anything, just definitely much thicker than I thought they would be.

Anyways, seems like everyone approves. I think even if they didn't approve, I'd still wear them because I can see so well!

George1968 03 Apr 2017, 20:16


BTW, did anyone - friends, family, co-workers - see you in glasses today and what did they have to say?

George1968 03 Apr 2017, 20:13

Hi Jen,

Yes, it is all part of the adjustment process. First, there is the excitement of how great your vision is, then the reality that you only get that vision with your glasses on.

The other part of the reality comes from realizing how bad your eyes are without glasses. You eyes know longer have to work so hard to see.

Are you happy with how you look in glasses? It's unusual to have that kind of prescription at 41, esp. since in a few years you'll need bifocals (which is maybe an argument for fulltime wear as you will be wearing fulltime soon enough).

Jen 03 Apr 2017, 19:47

Wore my new glasses all day to try to get used to, without really taking them off. Now I have quite a headache and things seem more blurred then before when I take them off. Now my eyes feel super tired and I also feel so awkward with this contraption on my face. I'm guessing this is normal and part of the adjustment period? I love being able to see though! Strange to catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror wearing glasses. :-)

Fay 03 Apr 2017, 18:17

Cactus Jack

I am 16 years old, a sophomore, and I live in America.

Also wondering if someone could please explain what everything in my prescription means. I would appreciate that.

Cactus Jack 03 Apr 2017, 18:09


Glasses with prism are a bit harder to make. With Base Out prism, the inside edges, next to your nose, are very thin and easily broken during the process where the lenses are cut down from the blanks to fit in your frames. if they lenses break or chip, they have to start over.

May I as your age, what grade you are in, and where you live?

Good luck on the History test.


P.S. I also wear glasses with a bit more prism than you have. Also, mine are trifocals. I would be shocked if my glasses only took a day and a half to make. Mine take weeks. because I think few labs stock trifocal lens blanks and they have to be ordered.


Fay 03 Apr 2017, 17:44

My glasses took about a day and a half to make, that is not quick, especially since it was by an 1 hour express place. Apparently they needed to take them over to one of their other labs, or something.

I think I may take my glasses to school school with me tomorrow. I need them really bad in my history class because I literally cannot see anything the teacher writes on the board, or even if anything is written and tomorrow is the review for our 3rd exam. I would like to actually get to write down what he writes on the board, instead of taking pictures of the board and other student's notes. Especially now that I will be able to see the board because I finally got glasses.

NNVisitor 03 Apr 2017, 12:58


If you are interested in wearing contact lenses now is the time to ask around and/or research who in your area has a good track record of fitting contact lenses. As you have your prescription it will be used to base the contact lens prescription which may be slightly different as contact lenses sit on the cornea of each eye.

The contact lens fitter will examine the cornea of each eye and take measurements. Getting contact lenses is your decision provided they can be fitted to your eyes. Most likely they can be. You will be given instructions for inserting, removing, cleaning and disinfecting the lenses prior to be able to take them home with you. Depending on the type of lenses used the procedures may be different. Good hygiene and following the recommended wearing schedules are very important. Myself I've had contact lenses both hard plastic and gas permeable. The latter is used today for astigmatism. In some cases a soft lens is used for astigmatism depending on the eyes. When wearing gas permeable lenses daily for at least 9.5-10 hours daily I barely noticed that I was wearing them as once my eye tolerance was built up they were normally very comfortable to wear.

Jen 03 Apr 2017, 12:09

THANK YOU ALL for helping push me over the edge!

Jen 03 Apr 2017, 12:06

OH, MY, GOD! I'm NEVER, EVER taking these off! I'm dizzy, disoriented, yes the floors look sloped and warped, but for the first time in years I CAN SEE! I can't believe what I was missing. Need to walk around for a bit before I can get in my car and drive, think I might be more unsafe driving with them on right now. I can't believe I was in denial for so long. The signs were there but I wouldn't pay attention to them... I never knew that things could look this sharp!

Soundmanpt 03 Apr 2017, 11:08


It's reasonable for you to be somewhat nervous about getting your first glasses, but you'll do fine. Look around at all the people you see wearing glasses at one point they were all like you getting their first glasses. They went through it and you will too. Now be sure when you go back to get your glasses that when the optician is fitting them on you that they are completely comfortable. Not too tight behind your ears but tight enough that when you look down and shake your head from side to side they stay in place on your nose. You don't want them sliding down your nose because having to constantly be pushing your glasses back up your nose is very annoying. I'm really glad that you got the AR coating. I'm sure they were surprised that these are going to be your first glasses. Normally they are used to seeing someone getting their first glasses with a prescription of around maybe -1.00 for both eyes so you can see you're considerably past that. I'm pretty sure sure when you first put your glasses on the floor is going to feel like it is slanted and you might feel a bit dizzy and even get a small headache from your glasses but all tha will go away rather quickly. Let me know how you feel once you get your glasses.

Jen 03 Apr 2017, 10:24


Thanks for all the info and advice. I just placed my order for glasses and I read your advice after I made the order. Yes, my insurance helped cover a substantial portion cost. I showed up at the store about the time they opened and wandered around trying on frames for almost 2 hours before finally making a decision. Great staff, very helpful. They seemed surprises that these were my first glasses. I think I picked the right frames and I was glad to see you mentioned getting the AR coating because that's exactly what I ordered. Turns out they recently got a machine that can add the coating and still have them done in approximately an hour. So much to learn about this glasses thing; I guess I never really thought much about it before. Kind of stressful. Now all I have to do is wait and wander here in the mall and pick them up in an hour. Not sure why but I'm feeling a little apprehesive about getting/wearing them now. Was pretty resolved about it this morning.... $

Soundmanpt 03 Apr 2017, 08:56


First of all do you have vision insurance? If so then it really doesn't matter where you go for your glasses. When you say mall I assume you might be referring to Lenscrafter's? Getting the one hour service is good but since you will almost certainly be wearing your glasses full time one option I highly suggest you get is an AR coating (anti-reflective) it will make a huge difference for you because without it you will quickly become annoyed with glare and reflections you would get on your lenses. I suggest that if you have vision insurance you should first call the one hour place to be sure they accept your insurance. I have to tell you that Lenscrafter's as well as most mall optical stores are usually more expensive that stand alone stores because the rent is so much higher in a mall. You do want to get your first glasses from a local store, but since you already have been told that you now must wear your glasses for driving it won't be long before you will miss not being able to wear your non prescription sunglasses anymore. And prescription sunglasses will cost the same as your regular glasses and insurance won't be any help either. So now that you have your prescription in hand you can easily go on line and order more glasses as well as prescription sunglasses for around $18.00 a pair from "" I think for your first glasses an optician can be very helpful with finding glasses that are a perfect fit for your face. If you're paying out of pocket I would really do some price shopping. You won't get your glasses in an hour but usually within a week. I don't think you will be able to get one hour service if you get that AR coating. I agree with your doctor about contacts. Just getting used to wearing glasses is going to take a bit of getting used to since you have lived 41 years without ever needing glasses. Messing with contacts would only complicate that process even more. Also because you have a decent amount of astigmatism the contacts you would need are about 3 - 4 times more expensive as regular nearsighted contacts. Also because they are weighted they tend to shift around and when that happens you would lose focus. Maybe after a year or so and you are fully adjusted to wearing glasses your doctor will let you give them a try. I honestly think you won't like them. The lenses you would need are called "toric" by the way. When you get your glasses I suggest the first day you get them you mostly just practice wearing them and try getting used to wearing glasses. Then the next morning as soon as you get up put your glasses on and try to keep them on as much as possible. In other words don't decide to take them off for an hour or so to rest your eyes. You want to wear them until you go to bed that same day. Do you have any other questions?

George1968 03 Apr 2017, 07:19

Hi Jen,

There are no glasses police, but most folks with that prescription wear their glasses all the time. I think once you put on your glasses, you will see why.

There's no disadvantage to a 1-hour place. The more important thing is to get a pair of frames you are comfortable with as you will be wearing them a lot, even if you choose not to wear them fulltime.

My guess is that even if you start out not wearing your glasses all the time, you will give in within a month.

Welcome to Club Four Eyes.

Jen 03 Apr 2017, 07:02

Oh yeah, I forgot to post what my prescription was. Hopefully I'll transpose it correctly...

OD -2.50 -1.00 X 145

OS -2.25 -1.25 X 90

Does this make sense?

Josh 03 Apr 2017, 06:29

Jen, is so good that you get an eye exam and get the right glasses. can you tell the rx you get?

Jen 03 Apr 2017, 06:09

Well, I had my eye exam yesterday and it was no surprise to walk out with a prescription for glasses.

Apparently I'm nearsighted and have astigmatism, just as Likelenses and Soundmanpt thought. The doctor said it would be mandatory to wear them for driving, but also recommended I wear them all the time. I expressed my wishes to not wear glasses and asked about contact lenses but he said my eyes were too steep.(or something like that) Bummer! He also mentioned we could revisit the contact lens option down the road.

I didn't realize how much I had been squinting to see, until the exam where they kept calling me out on it. Lol! I guess there's no allowing myself to be in denial any more, slowly accepting the fact I'll be a glasses wearer. Today's task: find glasses. I'm kind of anxious to see the difference with them on.

Question: Is there any disadvantage with going to a 1 hour place at the mall? Thanks.

/ 03 Apr 2017, 00:33

Oh it was April Fool's Day so perhaps that explains it people do wonder on that day!

? 03 Apr 2017, 00:29

Fay seems to have had her glasses made up very quickly for such a challenging prescription. Amazing service or have i missed something

Fay 02 Apr 2017, 22:36

I was just wondering if someone could explain my prescription to me, and like what exactly is wrong with my eyes? Like How bad are they, are they not that bad? The doctor mentioned a few things that seemed kind of serious, and I am a little worried, so I would like to know.

Soundmanpt 02 Apr 2017, 19:19


I think if you take your glasses to your mom and ask her to put them on and have her try and read something at a distance she will see how much you need to be wearing your glasses. Just tell her as bad as everything appears to her with your glasses on is how bad it is for you without them. If that doesn't do it nothing will.

Fay 02 Apr 2017, 19:07

To answer the question, my mom has never worn glasses, she has perfect vision. I wore my glasses todat when I was in my room, and it is crazy how well we are supposed to see.

Likelenses 02 Apr 2017, 18:00


I am anxious to see what prescription you were given.

Jen 02 Apr 2017, 11:25

Thank you Soundmanpt.

I'm off now to have my eyes examined.To answer your question I'm 41 years old.

It appears all of the symptoms are indicating my need for glasses. I'm sure I'll be leaving there with a prescription, hopefully not to strong so I won't have to wear them all of the time. However, I am starting to look forward to having a prescription just for driving, movies etc... I guess street signs are made to be read.

I seem to have gotten along fine for so many years without, so I'm not too worried about full time wear. I guess it's a dichotomy to want to see better but not want to have to get glasses. Fickle beings we are. Off I go.


Soundmanpt 02 Apr 2017, 10:46


Have you checked the tracking to see exactly where your glasses are at this time? Are you growing more excited with each passing day? Kind of like when you were a kid and you were waiting for Christmas. By the way I see you signed your real name again. I noticed early on in one of your comments to me you signed your name as well. I really like the name Linda. Many years ago I dated a couple young ladies named Linda. Not at the same time of course. I think of them both often and wonder how the are doing today.

oopsI 02 Apr 2017, 10:22

Hi Fey,

I'm glad you did get to have your eyes examined. I'm rather mad at your mother, though.

With that kind of prescription (especially with the prism) you should really be wearing your glasses full time. I'd consider not allowing you to wear them neglect, too. Has she tried looking through your glasses? (It won't be like your vision is like without glasses, but she should notice how strong they are, which might bring some sense into her) The idea of letting her look through a pair of reading glasses is actually even better, but it might be harder to get her to do that.



Soundmanpt 02 Apr 2017, 08:57


Good to hear that you have decided to get your eyes examined. You seem to know that you have avoided it much too long already. It's completely normal that your eyesight seems worse as darkness approaches or in dimly lite areas. Going without getting glasses really hasn't done any harm to your eyes except to make seeing things a bit uncomfortable for you. Even with glasses your eyes would still have continued to get a little worse every year anyway. If you don't mind me asking what age are you now? If you were a pre-teen when you last had your eyes examined that would explain any changes you have since then because for most changes will occur until your in your mid twenties. When you tried your friend's glasses on if they made things at a distance less blurry that would mean that you probably need slightly stronger glasses than hers. But the other effect you got with her glasses could be because her glasses had astigmatism correction in them or that you need astigmatism correction. Of course your eye exam will determine that. I think you learned something by trying your friends glasses. Based on her glasses you likely will be prescribed glasses that are a little stronger than hers and if she feels like she needs to wear her glasses full time you should know what that means for you. Of course since there is no "glasses police" it will be up to you when to wear your glasses. The only exception will be driving. If you currently drive now you really should be wearing glasses. Once you get your glasses, and yes you will be getting glasses this time, I think the difference that they make will be enough that you will very quickly decide that you enjoy being able to see even if means wearing glasses all the time. Be sure to get a copy of your prescription when you get your eyes examined. You know that will be the first question anyone in here will be asking you after your exam. I will tell you something that both myself as well as Cactus jack highly recommends that you do. Wear your glasses for about the first 10 days to 2 weeks full time so your eyes can fully adjust to your glasses and then decide when you can be without your glasses. The optician may even suggest that when you get fitted with your glasses.

Maxim 02 Apr 2017, 08:32

Hello Fay,

first, congratulations that the doctor found out, how you can have a clear vision. Your writing is so convincing, and you seem to be so happy about your 'new' vision opportunities.

Like a medal, everything has two sides. Your mother seems not to understand, how important vision is for you. If you would be a neighbour, I should ask her to have a word with her about that. I'm sure, you will be looking very attractive, when you're choosing nice glasses - they're are so fashionable now and, most of all, they are accepted by nearly everyone. Just be nice with mom and convince her.

By the way: has mum perfect vision? If yes, she should have a look through those cheap drugstore glasses (with +3.00 or + 4.00 lenses) - this should give her an idea, how blurred your vision is - and that's only a certain part of the blur you are experiencing.

Say hello to your mum from a wise elder gentleman (yes, gentleman!), and she should be nice with you and allow you to try those glasses on. I'm father of 3 sons and 1 daughter, between 36 and 18 years now, and three of them are wearing glasses, it's just nature (or God) who gives us eyes like these. And hundred or two hundred years ago, nobody cared about vision of poor people, but today, we all can be helped by good glasses.

All the best for you, look in the mirror, take photographs, and wear your glasses proudly!

Plus Tony 02 Apr 2017, 01:10


I'm glad to hear that you had your eye test but sorry to hear that your Mum is in denial about your need to wear glasses.

As you have already discovered the prescription makes a big difference and as Likelenses says you really do need to be wearing glasses all the time. The reason for this is that in addition to being quite shortsighted you have a prism correction to help with the strabismus. I'm not an expert on prisms but I think it is possible that after a while you will get double vision without your glasses on. At the very least you will really notice how uncomfortable things are.

I hope your eye doctor explained clearly to your mother why you need to wear glasses and that she should not prevent you from doing so. Stopping you wearing glases would be an act of cruelty bordering on neglect.

I hope it works out for you.

Jen 01 Apr 2017, 23:19

Thanks for the reply. I was afraid someone would reply that way, and I'm afraid the eye doctor will say the same thing..... Guess I'll know for sure tomorrow after the exam. Time to start getting used to the fact that I'll be a glasses wearer; hopefully just as needed.

Likelenses 01 Apr 2017, 22:55


Since there was an improvement with your friends -1.25 glasses, there is a good chance that you need at least that, or more.

The scrambled view you describe sounds as though you also have a fair amount of astigmatism, which would require a cylinder corrective lense in addition to one for nearsightedness.

I think that you are looking at a prescription that you would really need for full time wear, distance, and reading.

Jen 01 Apr 2017, 22:23

Hi. Interesting site. I'm finally going to do it, I'm getting my eyes tested. For alot of years my distant vision has been getting more blurred. It seems as if it is worse as it begins to get dark out or in dimly lit rooms. I've have also now noticed things appear somewhat scrambled, so now I'm worried something bigger may be going on. I tried on a friend's glasses and it helped a bit with the blur but not the scrambled.(she said they were -1.25, and she wears them full time) I hope this doesn't mean I will have to wear glasses full time. I'm not really wanting glasses but it would be nice to have them for those instances when I want to see better. I guess I will find out a little later after the exam......

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer, I'm sure glasses will be prescribed for me. My last exam was close to 15 years ago, was given a prescription and told it was weak enough that I could skip having it filled. So I didn't do anything about it. I think I'm a little worse off now so it's probably going to be time to get glasses.....

Likelenses 01 Apr 2017, 19:56


Whoa ! that is quite a prescription, for a first one.

You will be wearing these full time.

Fay 01 Apr 2017, 19:50

I had the appointment yesterday, and as expected, I need glasses. They gave me a paper with my prescription, and the numbers are -3.00, 9, out, 3, and up, and the next row is -5.25, -0.75, 120, 9, out, 3, and down. My mom still thinks I don't need glasses, and does not want me wearing them in public, and doesn't like when I wear them at home either. I think she is embarrassed that her daughter needs glasses. She wanted me to get contacts, but the doctor said I apparently cannot get contacts because of my starbismus (or something like that). I liked how the glasses made everything look, it was like crystal clear, maybe even too clear. I think I forgot how well we are supposed to see. During the appointment when I had the glasses thing in front of me, I was so amazed at how I could see so clearly, and how I could see such small things.

Cactus Jack 28 Mar 2017, 20:20


That could be caused by a slight eye misalignment. Some people call what you are experiencing, double vision. That is one of the things that your ECP will check during the eye exam.

There are 6 muscles on each eyeball that control eye position and motion. They work in 3 opposing pairs. One pari moves the eyes left and right, another pair moves the eyes up and down and a third pair moves the eyes obliquely. If one of the muscles in the pair is stronger than the other, it can pull the eyes out of alignment and you see two images.

One of the most important inputs to the Eye Position Control System (EPCS) (my name) is the images from the eyes themselves. If both the images are not sharp and clear, the EPCS has trouble fusing the two images from your eyes into one 3-D image. In some instances, just correcting your vision with glasses will solve the problem. Sometimes it takes a bit more help in the glasses, called Prism, to solve the problem. Prism bends the incoming light rays so your EPCS can fuse the images for you.

If your ECP decides that glasses will fix the problem, please get a copy of your prescription. If you let us know what it is, we can explain what it all means. When you first look at a glasses prescription, it just looks like some numbers for each eye. Every number is important to provide good vision correction, so we need them all.


Fay 28 Mar 2017, 19:28

Cactus Jack,

The ghostly image is only there when I use both my eyes. it is slightly below and to the right.

Cactus Jack 28 Mar 2017, 13:24


If I may, I have some questions about your ghost images. I mentioned the possibility of Astigmatism, but sometimes muscle imbalance problems can also cause ghost images.

1. If you cover each eye, alternately, do you see the ghost image with:

A. Both eyes, individually?

B. Only one eye?

C. Only with both eyes?

2. Is the ghost image above or below the main image or to the left or right of the main image?

Depending on your answers, I may be able to suggest other things to pay particular attention to during the exam.


Cactus Jack 28 Mar 2017, 10:58


Here it is:


An eye exam is not like an exam that you might take in school and there is really no way to study for it. However, you can prepare for it and learn about your role in the exam. The best eye exams are a team effort between you and the Examiner. Part of the preparation is to learn what to expect, particularly if this is your first eye exam.

One important thing you need to keep in mind is that the Examiner has no way to experience what you are seeing. He/she has to depend on your answers to questions.

There are two parts to an eye exam. The first part is the Objective part. This part consists of:

1. Taking a Visual History where you describe your vision and the kinds of problems you are having.

2. Checking the internal pressure in your eyes for symptoms of Glaucoma. This is one of the very few parts of an eye exam that is even mildly uncomfortable and the discomfort only lasts for a few seconds. There are two basic ways to do the pressure test.

A. Using a special instrument to lightly touch your Cornea. Not to worry here. Before doing this type of test a drop of mild anesthetic will make sure you don’t even feel it.

B. There is a new type instrument that uses a puff of air directed against your cornea. No anesthetic is required, but the puff will startle you. The puff of air is harmless and there are huge benefits. Detecting Glaucoma early, before it can do damage can save your eyesight.

3. The examiner will also get a preliminary estimate of your refractive error by using an Auto-Refractor or manually by using a small hand held instrument called an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope.

The Auto-Refractor is a relatively new instrument that was developed in conjunction with NASA to check Astronauts vision in space. You look into the machine with each eye individually where you will see a scene or a pattern. The machine will adjust its internal lenses to focus the image you see on your retina. The Auto-Refractor only takes a few seconds for each eye and it then prints out your estimated prescription.

Some Examiners prefer to use manual methods that have been used for many years. Using an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope and a Trial Lens set or a Phoropter (a fancy machine with a built in lens set), the Examiner will look into your eyes and select the lenses that allow him to see your retina, most clearly.

The object of this part of the exam is to get a starting place for the Subjective part of the exam where you have to describe what you see.

Typically the Subjective part of the exam starts with the Right Eye shutter open and the Left Eye shutter closed.

Step 1 is typically determining the cylinder and axis of any Astigmatism correction you need. This is actually the hardest part of the exam because you will be asked to judge relative blurriness of two images rather than the sharpness of an image.

You will be shown a line of text and a supplemental lens will be rotated into place. This lens is a cylinder lens that is mounted on a 45 degree pivot and can be flopped back an forth to bracket a trial axis or orientation of the long axis of the cylinder lens. The thing that is confusing about this test is that the straight lines (strokes) of the letters will alternate in clarity as the lens is flipped back and forth depending on their direction. I suggest concentrating on an “O” if possible. Depending on your answers, the examiner will adjust the axis knob unit the image you see is equally blurry with the supplemental lens 45 degrees each side of the selected axis.

At this point the Examiner will probably swing the supplemental lens out of the way and may change the cylinder power while asking you which lens in clearer.

For your first exam, you may be uncomfortable asking the Examiner to let you fine tune the Cylinder Axis, but I have found that most will appreciate your wanting to actively participate. The way that works is that he will place your hand on the Axis control knob. This time, you move it back and forth a few degrees looking for the sharpest image. It is a bit like “Fine Tuning” an old Analog TV set or moving the tuning knob on an analog AM radio for the best signal.

The next step is determining the Sphere correction. This is an easy part of the exam because all you have to do is pick the sharpest image, but there is a tricky part. Your auto-focus mechanism will try to help, if it gets a chance. The Examiner has a couple of ways to minimize the action of your ciliary muscles and crystalline lenses.

The Examiner can, in effect, sneak up on your Sphere prescription or he can use drops to Dilate your eyes. Lets talk about sneaking up on your prescription first. There are actually 4 lenses in your eye’s lens system. All of them are PLUS lenses and the total power is about +56 to +60 diopters. The only variable focus lens is the crystalline lens whose PLUS power is controlled by your ciliary muscles. For distance, your Crystalline lens is fully relaxed and has somewhere around +15 diopters. When you focus to read, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze the Crystalline lens to increase its PLUS power by the amount necessary to focus which depends on the distance to the object.

This will take a little thought to get your mind around, but if you are nearsighted, your lens system has too much PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your retina and you need MINUS lenses to neutralize some of that excess PLUS power. You ONLY have the ability to increase the PLUS power of your lens system. You have NO ability to reduce the PLUS power of your Crystalline lenses more that fully relaxed.

To try to keep your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses from getting in the act, the examiner will start with NOT ENOUGH MINUS or TOO MUCH PLUS (same thing) and gradually increase the MINUS one or two steps at a time, while reducing the size of the line you are asked to read. He will not tell you what power lens or what line you are looking at. Eventually, he will reach the 20/20 line and a lens power that lets you read it with no mistakes.

He will then follow the same procedure with your Left Eye.

When he has completed both eyes, he will open the shutters and you may see two images. This part of the test is to check your muscle balance using some prisms. He will probably ask you to tell him when the two images are aligned horizontally and then vertically. While the images are separated, you have an important check to make. Compare the sharpness of the two images. If they are not equally sharp, be sure and tell the Examiner which image is clearer. If there is a difference, he will likely reduce the sharpness of the clearest image until they match. The important thing at this point is that they match. That lack of sharpness will be corrected in the next phase with both eyes working together.

Next he will fuse the images so both eyes are working together and repeat the Sphere procedure by gradually increasing the MINUS or decreasing the PLUS until you see the smallest line of letters very clearly.

That pretty much completes the exam except for checking your near vision with a small chart about 14 to 16 inches from you.

Many people, who wear glasses, actually look forward to eye exams. Once you have become accustomed to having very good vision, you will probably find anything less, unacceptable. Many times, after the exam, it will be suggested that you get another exam some time in the future. Note that I used the word “suggested”. it is NOT a Command. If your detect a problem or if your vision seems uncomfortable, please don’t wait until the “suggested” date to seek an appointment to get your vision checked.

I hope you find this helpful. Pay close attention to the Cylinder and Axis part. That could be what is causing the ghost images.


Fay 28 Mar 2017, 10:04

Cactus Jack,

I have not.


I will make sure to ask for it, thanks for the heads up.

Soundmanpt 28 Mar 2017, 07:41


I'm glad to hear that. Be sure to ask for a copy of your prescription when the exam is finished. In most cases you need to ask for it or they just keep it on file. The reason is simple they know as long as you don't have a copy of your prescription if you need anything in the way of glasses you will be forced to return yo them. So for example maybe a few months after you get your glasses you decide that you would like ot have prescription sunglasses. You would almost certainly return to them for sunglasses. Also by having your prescription you might want to go on line and buy a 2nd pair of glasses or sunglasses. It's much cheaper going on line than a local shop. Also we can tell you what the numbers of your prescription mean.

Cactus Jack 28 Mar 2017, 07:37


Have you read "How to Study for an Eye Exam"


Fay 27 Mar 2017, 21:41

Finally convinced my mom to get my my eyes checked, and the appointment is on Friday. Hopefully I can finally get some glasses so I can see better and get rid of this annoying ghostly image that has been bothering me for the last couple of months.

Cactus Jack 25 Mar 2017, 20:27


If you need a +3.00 Add, it is very likely that you do not have very much Accommodation Amplitude left. if that is the case, the power of the Add or the Absolute Power of glasses you need to focus clearly at any distance is your Sphere correction for distance, adjusted for the focus distance, keeping the Cylinder and Axis the same. If you wear a bifocal or trifocal, that adjustment is automatic, but if you want single vision reading or computer glasses, you need to do the math.

You indicated that your working distance for you computer was 35 inches. If you do the math: Lens Power = 39.37 inches / 35 inches = +1.12. You may find the +1.50 (1/2 the +3.00) to be better with the display a bit closer than 35 inches. In that case an Add of +1.50 would focus at about 26 inches. If you want single vision computer glasses, algebraically add the +1.50 to your Sphere correction.


Stingray 25 Mar 2017, 13:36

What I did as recommended on other websites was to split my add of +3.00. Then I would add +1.50 to the sphere of by left and right lenses. So my OD of +2.25 became +3.75 and my OS of +2.50 became +4.00. Let you know how that worked out when Firmoo sends me the new glasses.

Cactus Jack 24 Mar 2017, 16:10


You might also consider ordering some +1.00 Clip-On Magnifiers from Rx Safety Glasses. I find them handier than prescription computer glasses because I can flip them up and down rather than having to swap glasses. I suggest the smaller size.


John S 24 Mar 2017, 14:37


Add another +.50 or +.75 to your distance rx. You could get it closer with a trial lens set.

Stingray 24 Mar 2017, 14:12

I want to order online prescription computer glasses. My normal rx is OD +2.25, OS +2.50. My add is +3.00. I sit around 35 inches from the monitor screen. What prescription should I request? Thank you.

murky 23 Mar 2017, 00:12

Did some research, this is s good credible answer, I think

Can pregnancy affect my vision?

Yes. Changes in hormones, metabolism, fluid retention, and blood circulation can all affect your eyes and your eyesight during pregnancy.

Water retention, for instance, may cause the thickness and curvature of the cornea of your eye to increase slightly. It's a small change, but it could affect how well your glasses or contacts correct your vision. It's also why laser eye surgery isn't recommended during pregnancy and why it's not a good time to be fitted for new contact lenses.

If you experience vision changes during pregnancy, they'll probably be minor. Most women who experience a change find that they're a bit more nearsighted than they were before pregnancy.

If you wear glasses, it's unlikely that you'll need to change your prescription, but it is possible. If you think your vision has changed significantly, have it checked.

Pregnancy isn't a great time to invest in a new pair of glasses, though. In most cases, these changes are temporary and will reverse themselves within several months of delivery.

Crystal Veil 19 Mar 2017, 16:07

Question and Soundmanpt,

I heard the vision story of several women who were pregnant around the age of 30. Many of them needed stronger glasses not long after giving birth. The increase was -0.50 for women with mild prescriptions but -0.75 or -1.00 for women with medium to high prescriptions. But there were also several women with medium to high prescriptions who had no change in their prescription at all. So it's inconclusive.

Oliver 19 Mar 2017, 12:15

I've bought myself a trial lens set as I am sick of getting different astigmatism numbers and have found the last few pairs just don't seem bang on clear. I'm looking forward to adjusting things myself to get the clearest view possible and not be rushed. Does anyone else have their own set?

Soundmanpt 19 Mar 2017, 10:41


That is a great question. I honestly don't know. We all know that the general rule is that once you're in your mid twenties your eyesight is getting close if not already stable. But I don't if that rule applies to being pregnant or not. Maybe there is a woman in here that can answer that one?

Question 19 Mar 2017, 09:45

Does age have much to do with it? She is a touch older (early 30s)

Soundmanpt 19 Mar 2017, 09:27


Possibly none. Not every woman that becomes pregnant has a change in their eyesight. I think the last I saw about 50% of women either need an increase or need glasses for the first time. If her eyes are effected it is hard to say how much of an increases she will need. I have a friend that always had perfect eyesight when she was 21 she got pregnant. At around the 7th month point her eyesight had gotten so bad that she wasn't able to see well enough to drive home at night after work. I was able to help her because I happened to have a pair of -1.25 glasses in my sample bag that I loaned her. My other samples were all too weak to be of any help to her. I told her that she should make an appointment to get her eyes examined about a month after she had her baby so she could be fitted with the correct prescription she would need. She was surprised to hear that, she thought that once she had the baby her eyesight would return to perfect again. I saw her several months after she had her baby and she was wearing new glasses. She gave back my sample pair and told me how much they helped her and that she was given a prescription of -1.50 in both eyes with -.25 in astigmatism in her left eye. She said that she was surprised that having a baby could change her eyesight that much. I asked her how she felt about wearing glasses and she said at first it took a little getting used to but she needed them so badly that she didn't mind having to wear them. She laughed and said she would like to have more kids but said if she does she would be nearly blind.

Question 19 Mar 2017, 08:28

My fiancé is about a -4. We were speaking about friends of hers who have had kids recently and almost all of them mentioned a change in their prescription after having gone through the pregnancy. What sort of change can she expect when we do eventually have kids?

I personally would love to see something in the -6 to -7 range (obviously not going to happen from one birth) so that there's a need to upgrade the frames to something bigger and bolder and force her out of contacts for a Short period of time while making the adjustment

Antonio 16 Mar 2017, 15:07

Hi Fay,

Astigmatismus, i.e eliptical eyeballs or lenses in your eyes can cause these ghost images. I have a bit of Astigmatismus myself and have Seen 2 Lights at night while there was only one without glasses. So like me you will need some glasses perched in your nose to get rid of those ghost images.

All the besteht, Antonio

Soundmanpt 15 Mar 2017, 10:42


You didn't state your age but since you say that you're mom doesn't believe you when you tell her that you need glasses I assume that means you live at home and you're probably still in school. So I would suggest that you complain to your teacher that you can't see the board. He or she should then send you to the school nurse and she will do a very simple eye test using an eyechart. I'm pretty certain that you will fail that test and she will send a note home to your parents telling them that they need to get your eyes examined. That should get you some much needed glasses finally. I'm sure seeing your eyesight deteriorate is scary for you, but it really isn't anything serious. You're not going blind but you do need to be wearing glasses without any doubt. You do understand that when you do finally get glasses you're going to need to wear them all the time. Are you okay with that?

Likelenses 15 Mar 2017, 00:55


My guess is you have a lot of astigmatism,and are myopic as well.

You need glasses big time.

Fay 14 Mar 2017, 20:14

I know I need glasses, I have for a while, but my mom just never believs me when I tell her, so I have not gotten my eyes checked. This ghost image is sonething else though. I am very worried about it.

Soundmanpt 14 Mar 2017, 09:29


Honestly I think you already know what the problem is and what the solution is as well. You clearly need to be wearing glasses. You even admit that your eyesight isn't great. So over the past few months your eyesight has continued to change . The headache that you're getting is likely caused by eyestrain as well as the ghosting images. It's very possible that you have at least some astigmatisms as well. Since you know your eyesight isn't perfect why haven;t you already gotten your eyes examined? If you're trying to avoid wearing glasses, and or contacts, i'm afraid you won't be able to do that. there is no miracle drug or drink that will cure eyesight.

Fay 14 Mar 2017, 09:15

Someone please help. I have no idea what is going on. For the last couple of months or so there has been this very annoying ghost like image. I know I don't have great eyesight, I haven't for a while, but this seems so different. Someone please help. I feel like I am going crazy. No matter what I do the ghostly image is alwsys therr haunting me, and giving me a headache. I need it to go away. Please tell me it can go away.

NNVisitor 24 Feb 2017, 13:06


I think your husband has astigmatism. Sometimes I can't see one letter on a line but can read some letters on smaller line. It's because I have astigmatism.

I've also had the pinhole test which just checks central vision which is where we see most clearly.

antonio 24 Feb 2017, 10:20

Nancy, maybe your Husband is shortsighted? Could you read those numbers he couldn.t?

Even shortsighted people with otherwise healthy eyes can read far ok through pinhole glasses if there is enough light around, not in dimmed light of course.

So that might have been a test his eyes are not astigmatic or so. Hope that helps. I guess he will get glasses ?

Best regards, Antonio

antonio 24 Feb 2017, 10:13


Flashing Lights can trigger Migräne

Is that the case with your wife?

Maybe stress can too?

It normally gets better when she ages :-)

Best regards, antonio

Nancy 24 Feb 2017, 08:04

My husband went for an eye exam and for the first time I went with him. Two questions...

When they had him read the lines on the wall. She put a line of print on the wall and he got the first 3 way wrong, and the second 3 letters perfect. She changed the letters, making them a bit smaller, and the same thing happened...3 way wrong and 3 right. I think this happened a 3rd time too. Why did that happen?

There was a line where he couldn't read any of the letters, and he was give a thing to hold that had small like pinholes on it, and tried that with each eye, and could read the lines perfectly. What difference did the pinholes make.


Mike 07 Feb 2017, 09:19

My wife gets Migraine headaches with Aura. These type of migraine's can really scare you because she will lose peripheral vision, have blurred vision, or see things wavy. I am posting here to see if any one has any theories or experience with these and what might be possible causes. The doctors don't seem to have any idea what triggers these. The vision issues typically last less than an hour, followed by an extreme headache behind her eyes.

 05 Feb 2017, 10:02

N, your eyes can be helped with glasses, but you need glasses prescibed specifically for your eye condition. You should go to the optometrist and take an eye test, that is the only way to obtain the specific prescription you need.

N 05 Feb 2017, 09:39

i stay away from trying my friends glasses because it makes me nervous i will see better. i have tried wearing used glasses without anyone around. i was very scared to buy them because the cashier must know i need glasses or i would not buy them. i see much better but the bends do not change. maybe my eyes can't be helped with glasses. i don't understand why things are bending more than when i was younger.

 04 Feb 2017, 14:37


Besides myopia and hyperopia (being nearsighted or farsighted), there are a few more visual conditions. Astigmatism is one of them, and can be corrected by glasses or contacts, so don't worry.

Cactus Jack 04 Feb 2017, 12:20


Astigmatism is NOT a disease. It is usually caused by a slighty misshapen Cornea. We don't know the exact cause, but it seems to be caused by uneven growth of the eyeball that puts some stress on the Cornea.

The ideal shape of the Cornea is like a slice from the side of a perfect glass ball. A Cornea with Astigmatism is shaped like a slice from the side of a glass American Football where the curvature of the Cornea is steeper in one direction than it is in the other.


N 04 Feb 2017, 09:57

can you explain to me what astmatism is? is it like a disease thing? i don't think i ever had it before. i see hard at night too. maybe it is because of this disease.

Cactus Jack 03 Feb 2017, 15:08


You don't need a psychiatrist. It is very likely that you need vision correction and the place to start is an Optometrist or Ophthalmologist for an eye exam. If you have never had an eye exam, you may find the article I wrote "How to Study for an Eye Exam", helpful.

Vision actually occurs in the brain. Your eyes are merely Biological Cameras. Your brain can actually correct small vision problems, but it takes a lot of work and energy. The best thing is to correct the problem optically, if possible. There is nothing to be gained by delaying.


antonio 03 Feb 2017, 14:48

N, and there are simple lenses in blasses to correct it. No mental illness at all.

Besteht regards. Antonio

 03 Feb 2017, 13:30

N, from what you're describing, looks like you have some astigmatism

N 03 Feb 2017, 13:17

I need help to understand my eyes. I can't see very far because it is blurry. I know that makes me nearsighted. But i am afraid to talk about it because I have another problem. I don't see straight lines. When I look ath this monitor in front of me, it bends toward the middle and it curves toward me on the end. I have the same problem with lamps, doorways, any long lines. they look bent. I am afraid maybe i am going crazy so i do not want to go to the doctor and say this. i tell friends i like that tv because it curves around you. they laugh and say it is straight. i get scared and embarased because that is how i see it. but i pretend to see it their way. do i need mental help? i am tired of my friends laughing

Soundmanpt 03 Feb 2017, 10:30


Unfortunately the store you bought your glasses from is one that doesn't stock anything weaker than +1.25 glasses. many stores do stock +1.00's which would have been slightly better to test your eyes with. But even only wearing your glasses for about an hour while reading in bed must have been relaxing to your eyes or you would have taken them off. And when you did take them off you clearly noticed the difference even though you could still read without them your glasses did make it easier on your eyes which is exactly what glasses are supposed to do. You said that you wore them to the office this morning and you were planning on wearing them all day. So I assume that means you do office type work which involves a good deal of close work. That is a perfect test for yourself. See how your eyes feel by the end of your work day. It makes sense that you don't feel comfortable wearing glasses since you have never wore glasses before and your eyes are still adjusting to your glasses. Also if after wearing them for a few days if they feel a bit too strong but you see an improvement you can always go on line and order a pair of glasses in maybe +.75 from Zenni. I agree with the others that you really don't need to wear glasses full time, That would be your option based on how you feel about wearing glasses and convenience of not having to be putting them on and taking them off and not having to try and remember where you last had your glasses. Let us know how your day of wearing them at work went.

Cactus Jack 03 Feb 2017, 09:44

Specs4Me & Sue,

It is not the Ciliary Muscles that cause Presbyopia, it is the gradual stiffening of the Protein that makes up your Crystalline Lenses over time. When you are young, you Crystalline Lenses typically have the consistency of freshly made gelatin dessert. You can focus incredibly close with almost no effort. This means that you frequently see young children lying on the floor, with a coloring book just a few cm or inches from their eyes, effortlessly coloring away. As you get older, your Crystalline Lenses get stiffer and harder and harder to focus. At some point, usually around 40, you need some external PLUS help focus close. The amount of extra PLUS you need to focus close is strictly governed by the laws of optics that relate focus distance and lens power. It does not matter if the extra PLUS comes from your Auto-Focus system, internally, or from external PLUS lenses, or from a combination of internal and external PLUS.

Unfortunately, wearing external PLUS reading glasses to help you focus close is a two edged sword. The help you focus close, but they also relieve the Ciliary Muscles of some of their work load. For their size (very tiny) the Ciliary Muscles are the strongest muscles in the body. Like all muscles they need exercise to maintain their strength. Wearing reading glasses reduces the amount of exercise they get and they begin to loose some of their strength. This makes your Presbyopia seem like it is increasing faster than it actually is and soon you need stronger reading glasses. Fortunately, you will probably never need more than +2.50 or +3.00 reading glasses or an Add, unless you need to focus closer than 40 or 33 cm (16 or 13 inches).

By the way, the age when Presbyopia becomes a problem depends on your genes, your vision correction, and your visual environment. It can become a problem at any age. These days, even teens are needing help reading the tiny text on their smart phones.


Specs4Me 03 Feb 2017, 09:07


The recommendation to wear new glasses full time applies mostly to those who have been diagnosed with latent hyperopia, which is not the case for you. You are in the throes of the onset of presbyopia which happens to all of us at some point in our lives. Actually, according to our most knowledgeable poster here (Cactus Jack) presbyopia begins at birth. Therefore, you simply need a little help, +1.25 should be fine, to take the pressure off of your aging eye muscles (remember that they begin aging at birth). The fact of the matter is that it is becoming more common for younger people to need reading help due in large part to the use of smartphones, tablets, gaming devices and the like.

So enjoy some relaxed reading with your new glasses, if you think they are a little strong, keep an eye out for some +1.0 readers. You will probably find as many do, that over time you will acquire numerous pairs of readers that you will leave all over your house so you can find a pair easily.

Sue 03 Feb 2017, 07:57


I am a bit confused. I went to buy +1.00's but the lowest they had was +1.25 so I bought those. I read posts here that suggested that when getting first glasses you should bite the bullet and wear them full time for 2 weeks, so thought I would try that but distance is just too blurry. So I can't wear them all the time..certainly not to drive.

I don't think I really need them, because I can really see close ok. But after reading for about an hour last night in bed, and taking them off the print in the book was much "dimmer" although I could still read the print without them.

I wore them in to my office this morning, and got a few comments..everyone noticed. They thought they looked good, but I am not comfortable with them. When I told a friend I was going to try to wear them all day, she said it's not a bad idea, but I will likely become dependent on them, as wearing glasses (she has since childhood) usually a one way street..once I start wearing them I'll become more dependent on them, and to keep good vision most exams will get slightly stronger till I need them full time. I don't think that I am ready for that yet.

So I guess my choice is to hold off for now, or try them for a while but take the chance that it will weaken my vision such that I will need them.

Soundmanpt 02 Feb 2017, 16:24


If you look at the "Hyperopia and Presbyopia" thread you may find some answers to your question or at least get an idea about your eyesight. The doctor that examined your eyes is correct that not too far down the road you can expect to be wearing glasses at least for reading and other close things. He is basing this on your answers to the various tests he did on your eyes and even your age. Nearly everyone as they approach that wonderful age of 40, or earlier, can begin to find small print on medicine bottle or even their phone more and more difficult to read or even if they are reading in dim light areas. I assume he didn't write you a prescription for glasses? You should go back, they usually won't give that out over the phone, and ask for a copy of your prescription. You may wonder why? Well once you have that information chances are if you only need a simple plus prescription such as +.75 or +1.00 or +1.25 or whatever. Anyway you can a cheap of over the counter readers at many stores such as Wal-Mart and drug stores for around $10.00. They are marked with the same +1.00 or whatever power you need. They start at +1.00 and go as high as +3.50. Now these glasses are cheap and the lenses aren't the best quality but they would at least give you a pretty good idea if you're ready for glasses or not. Or another option if you have pretty good insurance that will pay the biggest part of your glasses then you should do that and get better quality glasses with better lenses right away. Now you need to know even with the weakest glasses at first you can expect your distance vision to be blurry wearing them. But it is up to you weather you to decide if you want to wear them all the time or not. If you do decide to wear them full time you can expect that things at a distance will be slightly blurry at first but that will slowly go away and you would soon be able to see both distances as well as close up perfectly with your glasses. Or you may just want to wear them when you need them, like when your reading, using your phone or on your computer.So I would say having them is at least better than not having them. How do feel about wearing glasses? If you don't mind wearing glasses full time or part time then you should get them. By any chance did thye maybe give you your prescription? If so post it and we can give you an even better answer.

Sue 02 Feb 2017, 08:58

A store in the mall was offering free exams and I had time to kill so I went in. Last exam was probably 10 years ago. I have never needed glasses. For the distance part he flipped all kinds of lenses, some of which made the chart better and some worse...I had no idea how I did. Then he put up a stick and card with small print, on which I could read even the tiny letters, but when he clicked the lenses I could see the print better. When he finished he said my distance vision is really ok, but if I want I could get glasses for reading. He said I don't really need them yet, but likely will soon and that glasses will just make it easier for me to hold a book comfortably and will tire me less. He said it is up to me. So I am not sure if I should get them or not, or what they will do to my close vision. If found this site but not a similar situation. Should I get the glasses? If I do should I wear them full time? Part time? I am only 37.

Soundmanpt 01 Feb 2017, 15:23


I was wondering if you noticed any change in your vision during pregnancy or not. Yes what you read is correct but like you read it effects some but not others. I told this before but several year ago a friend I knew from one job she worked at changed jobs and I hadn't heard from her for a while. I did see her sister every so often and when I saw her sister she told me that her younger sister wanted to see me about glasses. I went to where she was working which was a Walgreens drug store. I was completely shocked when I saw her because she was extremely pregnant. She knew i was ordering glasses for people and had sample glasses in various prescriptions. She told me that her eyesight was so bad that she wasn't able to drive at night anymore and could barley drive during the day. Anyway she was hoping i might have glasses she could buy or borrow from me. I went and got several with different prescriptions and i had her start with the weakest ones first and left her go to each one until she found something that might help. She went through tham and finally when she came to the last pair I had she said they worked the best. They were -1.25. I just gave them to her and she was so happy to be able to see. She siad as soon as she had her baby and her eyes went back to normal, she always had perfect vision, she would return my glasses to me. I think I stunned her when i told her that her eyes were going to go back to her perfect vision anymore and that she would be needing glasses from then on. I saw her a few months after she had her baby and she was wearing new glasses. She asked me if I wanted the glasses back that I gave her and I told her no. She pointed to her glasses and said that I was right. She went and got her eyes examined about a month after she had her baby and she already knew that she couldn't see without glasses so she knew going in she would be getting her own glasses. She said that her glasses were -1.50 so only slightly stronger than the ones she was wearing. i asked her if she planned on getting contacts and she said once she got used to wearing glasses she really kind of liked wearing glasses. So if you had a change in the in between year it was likely due to being pregnant. That is if your eyes were already stable and then you needed an increase.

Catwoman 01 Feb 2017, 14:26

I read about how myopic women (such as I) can become more myopic during pregnancy. I do not recall having noticed any changes in my vision during my 2 pregnancies, but in my biennial eye exam between births, my prescription did become more negative as it were, by a half diopter or so. After that, my vision stabilized until the last 8 years when the "minus" has decreased.

Glassesforeyeryone 15 Jan 2017, 15:44

Interesting article...

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Cactus Jack 11 Jan 2017, 18:49


Sorry to be slow getting back to you. You are doing the right thing. Few of us here are Eye Care Professionals (ECO). I am not and don't pretend to be. I am an Amateur in the original French sense of the word as someone who studies a subject out of love. My background is Electronic and Computer Engineering. My interest is vision and optics is related to my own vision problems and the inability to get satisfying answers from all but a very few ECPs.

Most very young children react unfavorably to anything on their face, but quickly discover that whatever those things are, they let me see better and become very upset when you have to take them off at bedtime.

We wish your daughter the very best. If we can help with answer more questions, please feel free to ask.


Jacey 09 Jan 2017, 11:36

Her new prescription for her left eye is -10.25, and everything else is the same. She jas loved her glasses from the moment her dad put them on her. Both doctors basically said because she is so young, her myopia is most probably developmental issue. They both reccomended we keep a close eye on her vision, and get her eyes checked regularly because it is very likely her prescription will need frequent adjustments. This doctor was a bit concerned about the difference between both her eyes.

Cactus Jack 07 Jan 2017, 16:47


I am very curious what the doctors have said and your daughter's new prescription. How has she reacted to the glasses. Most very young children initially try to reject the glasses, because they are a strange thing on their face. Once they discover that there is an amazing world out there that they can see with their glasses and it disappears without them, they are very unhappy when you take them off.

If the glasses allow your daughter to visually explore the world around her, I would urge you to consider learning teaching her Baby Sign Language. It is amazing what that can do to speed mental development and learning to talk. At first I was skeptical about the latter, but it turns out that once the baby learns that she can communicate her wants and needs more quickly and efficiently with the sign language, it ends the inefficient crying. It doesn't take long before the baby can hold conversations with the mother using sign language for one side and voice for the other and then not much longer for both sides of the conversation to be spoken, when the speech centers develop.

Of course decent vision is necessary to clearly see your hands as you teach her the sign language.

May I as your daughter's name?

I am very happy that you have been able find out about your daughter's situation and have taken action to do something about it.

Please keep us posted about her progress.


Jacey 06 Jan 2017, 16:53

We went in this morning, and the doctor basically confirmed everything the other doctor said. He did however come up with another prescription for her left eye. Her new glasses should be ready tomorrow.

Cactus Jack 05 Jan 2017, 14:20


Just some thoughts. Hopefully, you will get some answers tomorrow. Please let us know the results.


Jacey 05 Jan 2017, 09:49

She was a full term baby, and her pregnancy was my best and easiest. I never got sick, however as usual my asthma came out of hiding and started acting up again. My mom came over from the UK and stayed with us for the end of the pregnancy until the baby was a month old. Also, my in-laws stayed with us for a couplr of weeks during the pregnancy, and they are from France.

Guido 05 Jan 2017, 09:18

Found these sites for those who like to do it yourself.

Cactus Jack 05 Jan 2017, 01:56


Did you have any illnesses while you were carrying your daughter? Was she premature? Were there any problems during the pregnancy? Did any close family members travel overseas and return during the pregnancy?

Some diseases are notorious for causing eye development problems during gestation. For example, Rubella, also known as German or 3 Day Measles, is famous for causing eye development problem, but not usually Myopia. Often it disturbs the development of some of the lenses in the eye that results in extreme Hyperopia.

Eye development problems do not happen as much in the North America, but it its is more prevalent in South America. The father of one of our members sponsors an eye clinic in the area in eastern Brazil near the equator. They have discovered an unusual number of people who are very nearsighted. One a young boy of about 10 who has myopia in the -20 range and a young woman in here early 20s who needs -29 glasses. Unusual in a thin population. The two are biologically un-related. The cause is unknown.

There could be other Virus effects that we really don't know much about. A good example of a Virus causing fetal development problems is the Zika Virus that apparently started in Brazil, but has been brought to North America by mosquitos or returning travelers.


Jacey 05 Jan 2017, 00:06

Thabks for the suggestion,I made her an appointment for Friday. To answer your question, no, I cannot think of anyone with myopia let alone high myopia in my husband's family, and in mine all I can think of is my nephew who is nearsighted but not much at all. I don't mind you asking me questions on here. Feel free to ask, and if something is too personal I will either respond via email or the website you mentioned.

Cactus Jack 04 Jan 2017, 22:23


It is highly likely that your daughter will become more myopic as she grows up. but it depends on the cause of the high myopia. I don't want to get too deep into optical physics here, but all refractive errors are fundamentally caused by a mismatch between the total power PLUS power of the eye's lens system and the length (size) of the eyeball.

There is no way for us to know exactly what is going on with your daughter's vision. It will be interesting to see what her reaction will be to the glasses. Initially, she may not like them and try to pull them off her face, but if she soon realizes that there is something more to see out there, that is a good sign.

The biggest danger with high myopia is that if the eyeball is growing too fast. That excess growth may put stress on the tissue that attaches the Retina to the back of the eyeball. That stress can cause Retinal detachment and loss of vision. Fortunately, there are ways to re-attach the Retina if caught in time.

I strongly urge you to make arrangement for her to be seen by a Pediatric Ophthalmologist as soon as possible to find out exactly what is going on.

At this point, if excess growth is causing the problem, we have no way to slow down that growth or speed it up, either. Eyeball growth seems to have a very strong genetic component. Do either you or your husband have any ancestors who were extremely myopic?

I don't know the actual numbers, but high myopia is not very common, but that is possibly because the high myopia is not discovered this early. We have had a few mothers who posted here asking about a 4 to 6 year old that has been discovered to need glasses in the -6 to -10 range. High Hyperopia seems to be more common because it is often caught by the eyes trying to turn inward or cross. Usually children with significant Myopia do not have the eyes turning inward problem. One of the problems in dealing with high refractive errors in children is hat they don't have any way to describe what they are seeing. An ophthalmologist who specializes in children's vision problems can do the best for your daughter.

I would like to ask a few more questions, but I think it would be best if you contacted me privately at or as a private message on the Vision and Spex site.


GreginColo 04 Jan 2017, 17:34

I don't know what the process or procedure would have been to diagnose the need for such a high level of myopic correction in an infant, but hopefully the Optometrist also made a recommendation for some much more specialized and higher level of diagnosis and evaluation, as suggested by Cactus Jack, to help all involved better understand the situation, and what options, if any, may exist.

Jacey 04 Jan 2017, 11:01

We went to an optometrist. We live i America. I have a few questions. I have some questions, will my daughter's eyesight get worse as she grows up? Is she close to blind, or in danger of getting there? Is there anything out there that can fix her eyes. Not glassed which only provide a fix while you have them on, but a real permenant fix? Also, how uncommon or common is this?

Cactus Jack 03 Jan 2017, 21:46


Your 6 year old son is a little bit Hyperopic (far or long sighted), which is not unusual. Most babies are born with Hyyperopia and gradually grow out of it. The +1.25 glasses will make it easier to focus close. He was probably born with much more Hyperopia than he presently has and he has grown out of most of it.

You are right to be concerned about your 7 month old daughter. She is very Myopic (near or short sighted). That occasionally happens and there is likely nothing you could have done to cause or prevent it. From the practical vision side, she cannot see anything beyond about 10 cm or 4 inches, very clearly. It is good that the situation was discovered early. About 80% of the knowledge a child gains is through vision. The glasses will enable her to see more normally, but that may not be a full prescription. She may see the world as colored blobs without correction.

I have a few questions:

1. Was the eye exam appointment with an Optician, Optometrist or Ophthalmologist?

2. May I also ask where you live?

If the Eye Care Professional (ECP) you saw was not an Ophthalmologist, I urge you to make an appointment with a Pediatric Ophthalmologist or an Ophthalmologist who specializes in High Myopia.


Jacey 03 Jan 2017, 15:19

Her prescription is -12.75 and -9.5 and she has -2.00 astigmatism in her right eye. My son that got glasses is 6 years old. His prescription is +1.25 in both eyes.

Cactus Jack 03 Jan 2017, 14:23


There are lots of reasons for a 7 month old to need vision correction, but without having the prescription, it is not possible to offer any explanation. A lot of visual development occurs in the first few months after birth and it is very important to take care of any problems ASAP.

Could you provide her complete prescription and if possible, your son's prescription and his age.


Jacey 03 Jan 2017, 12:26

Just got the news that my baby girl and older son need glasses. I took the kids in for an appointment and the doctor said they both need glasses. They will be ready tomorrow. I just cannot imgaine my baby wearing glasses. She is 7 months old. How does a 7 month old wear glasses. More important how does a 7 month old's eyesight go bad? I don't give her any tablets, phones, ot laptops to play with. She only started watching TV last month, and that is only on Fridays for 1 hour. She eats healthy. I did not get glasses until I was 31, and my husband still foes not wear glasses.

Cactus Jack 14 Dec 2016, 15:17

dodgy eye,

When you go to the independent ECP, be sure and explain your visual history and the discomfort you have had during exams. Independent ECPs are of course professionals and they are also in business. Their long term livelihood depends on your satisfaction with their services, your repeat business, and possible referrals of other patients. An exam may cost may cost a little more than a chain, but it has been my experience that it is worth it.

If you have not seen one in a long time, you might consider an Ophthalmologist to make sure that your eyes are healthy and you are not showing signs of other health problems. The eyes are windows into the body and many "silent" killers are first discovered during an eye exam.

If there are any lurking eye problems, you are very fortunate to have one of the best eye hospitals in the world, Moorfields, in London. However, it is unlikely that you will need them at this time.


dodgy eye 14 Dec 2016, 14:28

I go to a chain but thinking it may make better sense to go to an.independent who may have more time to spend, always feel incredibly rushed and with my eyesight issue I don't think they are able to spend the time needed. I work in HR mainly office based.

Cactus Jack 13 Dec 2016, 16:34

dodgy eye,

Yes. I suspect that the partial blockage of your Right eye kept the vision center in your brain from developing fully. It is important, when you are young, to get the full visual stimulus needed for that to happen. Fortunately, the tumor was removed soon enough for you to not develop full Amblyopia and complete loss of vision in that eye.

May I ask if you are using an independent Eye Care Professional (ECP) or a Optical Chain for your eye care? Also, your occupation?


dodgy eye 13 Dec 2016, 16:11

I live in the UK, left eye sph -0.75 cyl -0.50 axis 10 and right eye sph -0.75 no cyl.

Its not a large prescription but with it, my Left eye corrects very well. With my right eye, the lens just seems to sharpen things up a touch but it still.doesnt see as well as left does.

What I described, does it make sense that my right eye woukd cause this difficulty and uncomfortable feeling during the eye test?

Cactus Jack 13 Dec 2016, 15:58

dodgy eye,

Absolutely! You and your examiner need to work as a team to get the best results.

There are two phases to an eye exam.

The first phase is the Objective phase. That is where the examiner either looks in your eyes with a Rentinoscope or an Auto-refractor while changing some lenses. This phase gives an approximation of your refractive needs.

The second and most important phase is the Subjective phase where you tell the examiner what you see. Remember, the examiner has no way to tell what you are actually seeing, only what you describe.

Also remember that Vision actually occurs in the brain. Your eyes are merely biological cameras. You brain has the ability to do some amazing image processing and can actually correct what you see, IF it knows what something is supposed to look like. The problems with doing the image correction takes quite a bit of effort and energy. It is much more efficient to correct the delivered images optically so little processing is required.

May I suggest reviewing the piece I wrote "How to Study for an Eye Exam" before your next exam. I have posted it several times here and on the Vision and Specs web site. Let me know if you can't find it or if you have more questions.

Don't be afraid to talk to the examiner before the exam starts. Most ECPs want to provide the most accurate prescription possible and are happy to have your active participation. If they seem reluctant to cooperate, find another ECP.

I am particularly in favor of "fine tuning" the Axis angle at the appropriate place in the exam and comparing the two images for sharpness when you are first shown both eyes working together, during the check for muscle problems. Those are both covered in "How to Study . . "

May I ask a few questions?

1. Where do you live? (country)

2. What is your complete prescription.


dodgy eye 13 Dec 2016, 14:49

I have a question about why I find the refraction bit of an eye exam with one of my eyes incredibly hard.

A bit of background: I had a tumour above my right eye and it didn't get removed until I was 4. The tumour pretty much covered my right eye so I could only see out of it a small amount. There is no physical damage to the eye but for most of my life I have never seen as well out of this eye as the other and always feel it's my worst eye, I feel as though I do more “seeing” out of my left eye. I am also left eye dominant(,I found this out during am archery lesson), it's fine detail that i find hard to discern no matter how hard I squint to see clearly. I have had optometrist in the past tell me that I have an amblyopia right eye. I am 30years of age now and have had a very light short sighted prescription in both eyes for many years- in fact a slightly larger prescription in my left eye than right but it corrects further down to 20/15 whereas my right eye corrects to just about 20/20.

I hope I can explain myself clearly, When I have an eye test where they keep both eyes open and viewing the chart instead of testing and blocking off one eye at a time, and they put a lens in front of the eye that's not being tested( makes the chart look blurred and fuzzy) and they start testing the right eye, I really struggle and feel that the blur from.the left lens is somehow encroaching onto my right eye and making it even harder for me to see/concentrate on the lens changes when they ask which one is clearer and feel like I have to shut my left eye to ignore the blur and help me concentrate on the lenses being presented to my right eye. When they test the left eye, I don't seem to have that problem. Ive also had eye tests where they test one eye at a time and block off the other eye and find that much easier to cope with especially for my right eye. Is the difficulty that I am having with my right eye because of the amblyopia/lazy eye and my other eye being quite dominant? Am I able to mention to the optometrist next time I find that method difficult and uncomfortable and ask them to block off the left eye when testing the right eye in future

Soundmanpt 03 Dec 2016, 07:58

Cactus Jack

That may explain why I haven't heard that term used for some time.

Cactus Jack 02 Dec 2016, 13:01

I believe that today, it is NOT wise to wait until cataracts "ripen", unless you are one of those rare people who need to have complete Crystalline Lens AND Capsule removal.

Before the development of IOL type surgery, cataract surgery was extremely serious as described. I have often thought that there was a hope that the patient would die before cataract surgery was actually necessary. Of course it might have been easier to remove the Capsule if the Crystalline Lens had become hard.

Today,, with IOLs, the Capsule is NOT removed. Instead, the Crystalline Lens is emulsified using a very tiny ultrasonic "jack hammer" through a very small incision on the side of the Cornea. A friend of mine, following the old ideas, waited too long. The surgeon was finally able to emulsify his Crystalline Lens, but it was not easy. That made the surgery take longer and be more risky than if he done it sooner. My cataract surgery done in 2001, took about 10 minutes. It was the closest thing to a non-event I have ever experienced.

At the surgeon's recommendations for Engineers, I opted for Mono Vision with single focus IOLs because of their better Visual Acuity. For the best vision, I wear Trifocals, but I can function quite well for most "less than precision" work, without my glasses. With Mono Vision, you use one eye for distance and the other for moderately close work. For extensive reading, because I have some Astigmatism, I have a pair of single vision reading glasses.

I was quite nervous about the first surgery. As I mentioned, it was a non-event. When I went back the next day for a check up, one of my questions was, "How soon can we do the other eye". Answer, "Two Weeks". Because I knew what to expect, it was even more of a non-event. I have never regretted it for an instant.


Soundmanpt 02 Dec 2016, 12:03


First of all you can't even think about cataract surgery until they "ripen" in other words until they are ready to be removed. So that really depends on how fast your cataracts are developing. But your optometrists needs to refer you to an ophthalmologist that will do the surgery. Now for what its worth you don't know how lucky you are to be living now as opposed to say 50 years ago. I remember my grandmother getting her cataracts removed and it was so much different back then. She was in the hospital for 4 days and she had lay will sandbags on each side of her head so she wouldn't move her head. And when she did go home she couldn't do anything fro weeks. Then she had to get her eyes examined and she came away with really thick plus glasses that made he eyes look like saucers. Then in the late 80's my mother had to get her cataracts removed and it was so much different. She didn't have to stay even a day in the hospital and the operation only took a couple minutes. I don't know what my mother's glasses prescription was but I know she wore glasses from when I was very young. And her glasses were bifocals as well. She had the ICL's and she came away with perfect eyesight and didn't need glasses at all. But like you she had worn glasses for so long that she wanted to continue to wear glasses. She talked the doctor into prescribing her glasses which did have some type of prescription that she wore until she died. The only issue she ever had was that she had become very light sensitive and besides having the changeable lenses, these were lenes that was before transitions, and she even had a pair of what thye call solar sunglasses that cover the eyes from all angles that she would wear over her glasses. Without a doubt i'm sure they have made numerous improvements since then as well. As far as how strong your current glases are and how much they can correct is not something I can answer. B ut I can tell you that about 8 years ago I was talking to an optician friend and she told me that her eyes were too bad for lasik. She was -14.00 and she got ICLs and her one eye was was slightly better than perfect 20/15 and the other eye needed -.50 correction and of course she was thrilled with the results. So it's very possible that they can correct your eyes to a perfect 20/20. And if you still want to wear glasses I have feeling the doctor will understand and fit you with some type of prescription for glasses.

Di 02 Dec 2016, 03:18


I know I have to have surgery at some point, it’s not a pleasant thing but I’m not terrified of it. I’ve had surgical procedures twice before on my eyes for retinal problems. I just want to choose the right option as it’s something I’m going to have to live with for the rest of my life. I want good distance vision and I love reading so it’s important to me to be able to see very close up. I’m happy to wear reading glasses if that’s what it takes but I was led to understand that multifocal lenses can correct for near vision and far. My vision isn’t perfect with glasses, especially in low light so I don’t drive at night which is a limitation I would like to address. After surgery I would hope this could change.

My prescription is in excess of -20 in both eyes with some astigmatism on top of that plus an additional +3 for reading. I am very compromised without my glasses, there is very little I can do while not wearing them. When I wake up I can’t see my alarm clock, even though it has digits 2 inches high and is right at the edge of my beside table as near to the bed as possible. I can’t see my glasses at all and have to feel for them in the position I know I left them but even so when my hands touch them I usually blindly grab at the lenses and get finger prints all over them. Just this morning I went to retrieve my glasses and knocked a glass of water over that I had forgotten about and just didn’t see. These are minor annoyances but as a 61 year old woman living alone I do feel vulnerable with such limited vision. I have a friend with a prescription of -6 and she can do lots of things without her glasses. She can walk around her house, go to the bathroom in the night, make a cup of tea, she even often reads with the book held closer than normal. I’d be very happy with this level of vision.

30calcat 01 Dec 2016, 16:16


What is your current glasses lens strength? I guess most people would consider needing -6 to -10 lenses for distance to still be "helpless", rather than being able to get about. Technically, if you need -6 for distance, everything beyond 17cm in front of your eyes is out of focus.

Stingray 01 Dec 2016, 14:32

My next door neighbor is a retired ophthalmologist. Since I have growing cataracts and will have to address the surgery in the near future, I asked him about the intra-ocular lenses. I have a plus distance prescription with astigmatism and of course a plus reading prescription. I asked him about varifocal lenses and he suggested not to get them. His advice was to either opt for distance correction or near vision correction. He said that wearing multi-focal lenses will eventually lead to having to wear glasses in the future for either near or far.

Chino 01 Dec 2016, 14:13

Hi Di,

I had read this over a year ago. Might be worth looking into if you don't like the idea of surgery.

All the best,


Di 01 Dec 2016, 12:05

At my last eye examination recently I was told I have the early signs of cataracts in both eyes. With hindsight I had noticed my vision getting worse, particularly at night so it didn't come as a complete surprise. All the same it was an unpleasant reminder that I'm getting older and that bits of me are going to start letting me down from now on. I don't exactly relish the idea of the surgery that I'll have to have soon to deal with the cataracts either. When I mentioned it to a friend she said it's no big deal these days and it could turn out to be a good thing, I can get lenses implanted that will allow me to get rid of my myopia and also mean I never need reading glasses. I know such multi-focal lenses exist but I don't know if they can be made to my full requirements (very high myopia, high astigmatism and a reading addition). In truth, I don't think I want to get rid of my glasses altogether anyway. I've worn them for nearly sixty years and feel they're part of me. I've never really seen myself without them and when I've had pictures taken without them I don't recognise my naked face. Glasses change my look completely and I honestly prefer the way I look with them.

I don't know if anyone on here has had cataract surgery after being highly short sighted but I would be interested to hear of others' experiences. I need to discuss my options with my doctor, I think the ideal outcome would be to reduce my myopia to a degree and to do away with the need for varifocals but still need glasses for a everyday use for the remaining myopia. It would be nice to reduce the level of my myopia to a point where I can get about without glasses if I ever need to but I worry that my surgeon will think I'm mad if I say I want to still need glasses with maybe -6 or -10 lenses after surgery.

slb 30 Nov 2016, 03:19

Saw this interesting article - not clear which thread it fits best in.

Crystal Veil 29 Nov 2016, 01:57


they are getting smarter and smarter, aren't they? It looks like this improved technology could also be of use for people with ADHD who are unable to concentrate long enough for the subjective eye test. A few days ago, I did an eye test with one of my models who said that she might need an increase. It was an outdoor test, mainly done with glasses instead of a trial frame. The model has a very mild prescription [L: -0.75 / R: -0.50] and only glasses were used with the same -0.25 difference between both eyes. The third pair [L: -1.50 / R: -1.25] gave her perfect eyesight and it was great to hear her excited reaction. But it came as a shock when she took off the glasses and realized that her eyesight had gone worse than she assumed. I gave her the stronger glasses on loan and she will try them out at ease over the next two weeks. The plan is that she will take her own glasses and the stronger pair to an optician who will do the subjective eye test with her. It will be interesting to hear the results of that eye test compared with what we measured in the street in the way glasses were sold at markets before the arrival of optician's shops.

Likelenses 29 Nov 2016, 00:18

The university study on increasing high myopia in adults over forty that Cheryl was enrolled in back in August of this year,has begun using a new type of refraction device.

The study involves a control group ,of which Cheryl is a part.People in this group are kept in a perfectly accurate prescription,and all participants are examined monthly.She has had her sphere increased twice. The first was in September,by -.50 each eye,and again last week,by-.25 each eye.

The newest equipment is posted below.

I was able to in the exam room with her,and watch how it is done.

Lance 23 Nov 2016, 06:58

Cactus Jack

She's going to call her Eye Doctor today and see what she has to say about it. They may want to see her or they may want to wait to see what the meds do before they change her prescription.

If I had to guess I would say its her astigmatism. A few years back she had a big jump in her right eye. When she read the chart at her GP's it was the left that she had the most trouble with.


Cactus Jack 21 Nov 2016, 21:25


I can't answer the question about Thyroid. I urge you to see an Eye Care Professional to determine if her vision problems are Thyroid related. Many health issues can cause changes in vision. People with Diabetes often have vision changes as their Blood Glucose level fluctuates.


Cactus Jack 21 Nov 2016, 21:21


An increase in the ADD is normal as Presbyopia progresses. However, it will never get to much more than+2.50 or +3.00 depending on how close she likes to read and her visual environment. As she gradually looses the ability to focus close, she may find Computer Glasses useful. Most displays are around 20-25 inches from the eyes and +2.50 is too much for that distance. You can calculate ADD power by the formula:

Lens Power = 1 meter (100 cm, 1000 mm, or 39.37 inches / Target distance in the same units.

I just posted "How to Study for an Eye Exam" on the Astigmatism thread. It might be helpful


Lance 21 Nov 2016, 20:57

My wife had an eye exam February 2016 and came out with a slightly stronger prescription

OD -.75 -2.25 100

OS -1.25 -1.50 72

ADD +1.75

Her ADD had increased by +.25 and here CYL in her left eye increased by-.25.

Last week she turned 45 and started to complain that she was having trouble seeing. Yesterday she was helping me on a shoot and was complaining that her eyes weren't working properly, Today she saw her GP for her yearly check up and he had her read the eye chart. Even with her glasses on she could only read the line above the target. Her left eye was much worse. Driving home today she couldn't make out the license plate in front of us.

She had chalked this up to being tired and doing a lot of reading for Grad school as well as seasonal allergies. The doctor today thinks that it could be related to her thyroid since vision changes and some of her other symptoms support the Thyroid theory. We are waiting to get the test results back.

She is hoping that its just the thyroid and once they get it under control her vision should return to normal. I suggested an eye test but she wants to wait. Has anyone heard of this before. Are the changes (if it is thyroid) temporary?

Over the past 10 years her SPH has decreased and she has had an ADD for the past 3. Her astigmatism has also increased slowly over the years as well. She used to be able to look at her phone without her glasses but over the past few weeks that too has been a struggle.

Is this normal progression or is this all related to her thyroid?

SoCal 19 Nov 2016, 16:23

The eye exam went well and walked out with the same contacts rx but a slightly different rx for glasses. Contacts is -3.0 in each eye but glasses is L: -2.75 -.50 x140 and R: -3.0. My only problem now is that my vision with contacts is super clear and crisp like before with my old contacts but when I wear my glasses that are also -3.0 each eye, I find myself squinting a lot, especially at night.. not sure if that tiny astigmatism change will make things better. Follow up is on 12/1

SoCal 15 Nov 2016, 11:53

Okay, going in for an exam on Thursday and I'm worried about not having the same rx. I am content with where I am but a little anxious about it going down because that means that my night vision will suffer. The only reason I am going in is because my contact rx is expired and I'm in dire need of a renewal. No, glasses full time is not for me. Any advice would be helpful.

Soundmanpt 11 Nov 2016, 09:25


Thanks for clearing that up. You're correct, you are in fact getting bifocals. With your glasses on your eyesight should be unchanged when looking at things in te distance. You do have the smallest possible prescription in your left eye which I really doubt you will even be able to tell any difference from your right eye which has no correction for distance. The bottom third of your lenses is your reading help. Of course you're going to have to learn that when you want to read something you won't do what you have been doing your whole life by simply looking down with your head. Now you will be focusing your eyes through the bottom segment of your lenses of your glasses. When your driving, watching TV and most everything you will be looking through the upper two thirds of your glasses and everything shouldn't look any different to you than it does now without glasses. So you and Nick were supposed to get your glasses yesterday, so are you now trying to get used to wearing glasses? At first it is very normal to fidget with them and have them off and on quite a bit as well until they start to become comfortable to you. With everyone in your family already wearing glasses are you looking forward to wearing glasses now as well?

Marge 11 Nov 2016, 08:58

This is complicated, so let me explain my question..I looked on line but found no answers but found this site.

1. Years ago I had some difficulty with small print,and went for an eye exam. Surprisingly I was prescribed bifocals, that were -0.50 with a +1.25 add. They made my distance vision more crisp, and close clearer and bolder, but I didn't enjoy wearing them. I inquired about contacts and got some multi-focals, which I only sometimes wore because it was hard to adapt to them. Then I went for a new exam and the dr said that instead of paying so much for mult-focals, I should go disposable monovision, which I did and they are great. So I started wearing +1.00 in my left eye and -.75 in my right eye, but not all the time.

2. Now, about 2 years later, I realize that without glasses or contacts I think I have developed monovision. Without lenses or contacts I cannot read at all with my left eye, and cannot read signs with my right eye. I went for a new eye exam, and was prescribed +1.50 for my left eye, and -1.25 for my right eye. If I wear just one contact, then my vision feels identical...with the +1.50 only all distance is blurry while with only the -1.25 I cannot read.

Being that I can still see distance pretty well with my left eye and close pretty well with my right eye, I wonder if the glasses/contacts have weakened each eye? Should I be leary of trying the glasses again, that will likely make me more full-time dependent on the glasses?

Soundmanpt 10 Nov 2016, 18:59


Isn't it funny how you were just fine before you got glasses with how everything looked. But now everything looks so much brighter and as you say you really like the crispness you get wearing your glasses. I'm sure that you can still see quite well without your glasses but just not as good as with your glasses. If your glasses are only slightly making seeing your computer screen easier than you need to be wearing your glasses so your not straining. It must have been really nice the first time you looked out your window after you got your glasses and was able to see even the leaves on the trees. Your not the first one that has avoided or put off getting glasses as long as possible. Like you say, it seems silly now doesn't it? But you didn't hold off as long as some have. You picked out glasses that you really liked which is always a good start because if you didn't like them you probably wouldn't want to wear them. Or you would wear them as little as possible. Also it never hurts when people see you for the first time wearing glasses that they complement you on how nice they look on you or how nice you look wearing glasses. Not surprising that your colleagues wanted to try them on. That alone is a complement or they wouldn't care to even try them. Yeah i'm sure your glasses must have seemed like they were looking through plain glass compared to their own glasses. I'm sure if you tried their glasses you weren't able to see anything wearing them. Anyway it seems that you have already decided that wearing glasses isn't any big deal at all. And how nice it is to see everything so clearly now. Good for you.

Jamie 10 Nov 2016, 18:57


The +0.50s are under add.

vanessa 10 Nov 2016, 16:18

Yes it seems that I am wearing them most of the time, I really like the crispness, whilst I could get around with them perfectly fine and still read my computer screen, I sit facing a window and enjoy being able to look out and see clearly. My friends and family knew that I was going for an eye test, I have chosen a pair that I really like and received positive comments, some colleagues have said it's like looking through glass but they said their prescription is like -6 and worse. I had a big issue with admitting I needed glasses and getting an eye test but it just seems silly now, I like seeing clearly and things in detail so i will carry on wearing them!

Soundmanpt 10 Nov 2016, 16:09


Good to hear that you didn't put off getting your glasses adjusted because if you didn't then you most likely wouldn't be wearing your glasses at times when you probably need them. Now that they fit good you will be surprised at how fast wearing glasses will become very comfortable and you will soon get to the point you will hardly even think about wearing them. It sounds like you're not having any trouble adjusting to your glasses. You're already very close to wearing your glasses full time in just the few days you have had your glasses. Even before you got your glasses you knew that you now need to wear glasses for driving. You didn't plan on wearing your glasses for work but most computer monitors are just far enough away that your glasses almost certainly make seeing your screen a little bit easier. After wearing your glasses most of the day do you notice that things seem much more blurry than before you got your glasses? That's completely normal because your glasses are allowing your eyes to relax much more than before when you were straining your eyes to see things. Your glasses aren't very strong but their not too weak for you to wear them full time.

So were your friends, family and co workers surprised to see you wearing glasses? Did you get lots of positive comments and complements? You don't seem even a little bit shy about wearing glasses?

George1968 10 Nov 2016, 16:07


Aren't you basically wearing your glasses fulltime? It seems like you have them on over 90% of the day.

vanessa 10 Nov 2016, 15:27

Soundmanpt, I took my glasses to get adjusted and they fit and feel much better, im not getting the ache and indentation now. I am finding that it's easier to keep them on at work, the computer screen seems ever so slightly better with them on. I guess I am wearing them most of the day, driving to work, keep them on most of the time at work, and wear them when I'm watching TV at home.

Soundmanpt 09 Nov 2016, 16:57


Based on what you posted as being your prescription all the numbers would indicate that your glasses should be single vision with the very weakest prescription for reading in your left eye (+.25) That number should be listed under where it says SPH on your prescription slip. Then the next numbers based on how you have it written should be listed under the CYL on your slip? Now I did notice that you didn't post anything for an axis number for either eye. Are those +.50 numbers under where it says add? If so then you are in fact getting bifocals with really hardly any prescription for distance except the +.25 for your left eye. Did you tell the doctor that you wanted to be able to wear your glasses full time? I ask that because if you only need your glasses for reading your prescription is weak enough that he could have just prescribed you with single vision glasses for reading with the right eye being +.50 and left eye being +.75. But if you are in fact getting bifocals you will be able to wear them full time and still be able to see distances perfectly fine. I assume if your getting bifocals that you're likely getting progressives which don't have a line. Just be careful when you get them when you're going up or down steps. And even more careful if you're wearing high heels. You don't want to look down.

Jamie 09 Nov 2016, 13:41


I do not have astigmatism. I am actually just getting old and need some reading help. My glasses will be bifocals, at least from what I understand.

Soundmanpt 09 Nov 2016, 10:48


Thanks for providing an update on your family and their recent results from getting their eyes examined. From the looks of things all your boys only had small changes in their glasses which of course is a good thing.

David came out the best because apparently he may have been slightly over corrected with his first glasses. And Chris, Scott and Phillip all had only small increases which is very normal. Nick is getting his first glasses which are really quite weak but should be of some help to him seeing things at a distance. Trenton had some changes that should be an improvement to him. Since you last posted your husband got his first glasses which are bifocals which should be a benefit ot him for reading or doing other close work and as of tomorrow you will be also be wearing glasses for the first time. Your prescription is really to correct your astigmatisms. Don't be surprised if your glasses don't cause you to feel a little bit dizzy or have the feeling the floor is slanted and you may even get a bit of a headache at first. But after the first day or so your glasses should become much more comfortable as your eyes adjust to the prescription.Your prescription is pretty weak so you should still be able to see pretty well without your glasses but with your glasses things are going to be clearer and sharper and give you the feeling your seeing in high definition. I assume your intending on wearing your glasses full time when you get them since everyone else in your family is wearing glasses nearly full time.

Jamie 09 Nov 2016, 09:45

Cactus Jack,

Thank you. As for Trenton's prism correction, the doctor said he is staring off low even though Trenton needs more.This is supposed to help him get used to them. It will also be one of the things they plan on working on during his vision therapy along with depth perception. The doctor said, hopefully he will start to improve, but in the case that they notice the therapy is not helping they will focous on helping him adjust to higher amounts of prism.

The other boys' glasses should be ready for pick up tomorrow. After their school tomorrow Nick and I will officialy get our first glasses making us a family full of glasses wearers.

Cactus Jack 08 Nov 2016, 19:43


Young people who are still growing often have prescription changes as they grow. Eyeball growth will cause a + sphere prescription to decrease and a - sphere prescription to increase. The cause are the laws of optics.


Thank you for the update. The cause of Trenton's eyes trying to turn inward is that he is trying to use his Ciliary Muscles to focus. Believe it or not, that is good. Hyperopia (farsightedness) is the only condition that a person can correct internally, by using their Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses. However, the act of correcting it the Hyperopia internally, can cause the eyes to try to cross. It depends on the strength of the interconnection.

That is why David can function without his glasses. His Hyperopia is pretty mild. Hopefully, as he grows, he will be able to resolve his most of his Hyperopia. It is even possible that his Hyperopia will ultimately flip to mild Myopia.

Trenton's situation is different because of his much higher Hyperopia. Almost everyone has a interconnection between the Focus Control System and the Eye Positioning Control System. The interconnection causes the eyes to converge (turn inward or cross) when you try to focus. The important thing right now is to do what ever is necessary for Trenton to be able to see as well as possible with his glasses. Correcting his severe Hyperopia with help reduce his focusing and convergence effort. It is possible that as he grows, his high plus prescription may come down some. If his high Hyperopia had not been caught early, it is possible that he would have needed much more prism correction in his glasses.

Please keep us advised. You and your husband are doing an excellent job of managing their visual needs.


Soundmanpt 08 Nov 2016, 11:08

That date should be 2010

Soundmanpt 08 Nov 2016, 11:07

Just curious as to why 6 years of this thread is missing? If you look back at 04 Oct 20110 08:12 it skips all the way to 04 Sep 2016 15:57. I can't believe that there was no posts in those 6 years?

Jamie 08 Nov 2016, 07:32

I just got prescribed my first glasses yesterday. My prescription is-

0.00, +0.50

+0.25, +0.50

My husband got his about a couple of months ago. His prescription is-

+0.25, -0.50, 120, +1.00

-0.25, -0.25, 125, +1.00

David never wears his glasses. Chris wears his most of the time, they are onl off when he reads, or does homework, and in the mornings until breakfast. Scott's are only off when he sleeps. Philip wears his during class at school, in the car, and sometimes at the grocery store. David is just like Scott, except we have to take them off after he has fallen asleep, or else he throws a tantrum.

Michael 08 Nov 2016, 00:54

Jamie- Is my memory failing me but if it isn't I recall you saying before that you don't wear glasses? And you husband doesn't either. Am I right?Good luck with Nick and his new glasses. His script is very mild and not sure they will make much of a difference but he may want to wear his glasses because all his brothers do.Do they all wear their glasses full time? Philip may be the one who might not have to.

Likelenses 08 Nov 2016, 00:43


You forgot to tell us your Rx.

Michael 08 Nov 2016, 00:43

Jamie- Thank you for the update. I was wondering how your sons were doing. And I am not surprised your sons need new glasses after 6 months but David's script going down I think is a bit unusual.Usually they go up.

Jamie 07 Nov 2016, 22:35

Well, the boys just had their 6 month check-up today. All the boys need new glasses. Other than David all the boys had some increases to their prescriptions. David's prescription actually went down some, much to his pleasing. Little Nick has joined his brothers in the world of glasses, as have I. we are now a family full of glasses. here are the new prescriptions.

David:- 10



Chris- 8

-2.25, -1.00, 100

-2.50, -0.50, 055


-1.25, -2.25, 070

-1.00, -3.00, 150

Philip- 5



Nick- 3



Trenton- 2 He had his special appointment last week, and his glasses should be ready in a couple of days. The doctor said his eye is turning in even more now, so now Trenton will be in orthoptics, which I understand is basically vision therapy. He will also have special glasses that should help him use both of his eyes together.

+8.5, 2 Base Out

+11.5, +0.50, 2, Base Out

helpful 05 Nov 2016, 12:51

reference Dan and his desire to obtain glasses for his girl friend whose prescription he quotes. I was not sure if he mentioned her glasses prescription or her contacts They could be quite different when he orders. No wish to interfer but would hate to see him get it wrong and spoil the effort he makes

Soundmanpt 05 Nov 2016, 11:46


Glad to hear that you got your glasses. I'm sure they do make quite a difference in your ability to see things at even a short distance away from you. For someone like yourself getting glasses for the first time it is really hard for you to tell what is comfortable to you while the optician is adjusting them for you. You of course want them to be tight enough behind your ears so they aren't constantly sliding down your nose, but ta the same time not so tight as to be painful behind your ears. You have soft skin behind your ears so it doesn't take much to rub sore spots behind your ears. So you need to get them adjusted ASAP. I'm sure it feels funny to be wearing glasses now but once they are fitted properly they should soon become more comfortable to you.

You commented as to why optometrists don't give more direction as to when to wear your glasses. In your case for example there is very good reason why you weren't really told when you should wear your glasses. If your prescription was much weaker,say maybe -.75 for both eyes then the doctor might have told you to wear your glasses fro driving and anytime you felt you needed them to see.If your prescription was much higher, say maybe -3.50 for both eyes then he may have suggested that you need to wear your glasses full time. But their are people that even with a -.75 prescription swear they can't see well enough without their glasses and wear them full time. And their are people with -3.50 glasses that claim they only need their glasses for driving and no more.So everyone sees differently even with the same exact prescription. So to add to this your prescription is really in what I would call a gray area. In other words i'm sure that many people with the same prescription as you would likely wear their glasses full tiem or nearly full time, but others may feel like they really are able to see well enough without glasses and only wear them for driving. There is no wrong answer. It's really going to be up to you when you choose to wear glasses and when you choose not to wear glasses. Honestly you probably won't know the answer yourself until you have had your glasses for a little while and you determine how much you need your glasses. It really comes down to blur. Right now you have become so used to how you see without glasses that you don't even realize how much your tolerating seeing blur when you look across a large room. But now that you have glasses and with wearing them you're going to start to notice that blur you didn't notice before a lot more now. You already said that you will be wearing your glasses when you drive now which of course you really do need to be doing for sure. I have a feeling that after only 2 weeks of wearing your glasses for driving. Try taking your glasses to drive. You would find everything much too blurry to even drive on streets you know well without your glasses anymore. Right now I am sure you think you would be able to do that without any problem am i right? You said that you don't plan on wearing your glasses at work and your correct in thinking you don't need glasses for seeing close up for things like reading. But if your computer monitor sits more than 24" away you may find that your glasses are a benefit at work too. All these things you will need to determine for yourself. It would be a a good idea to wear your glasses full time for the first week or 10 days so your eyes can adjsut to them better, Then decide what you do and don't need them for.

vanessa 05 Nov 2016, 11:00

I picked up new glasses today, wow they make a difference! Everything just popped into focus very clear. They certainly help. Only problem is I wore them this afternoon and the ear pieces have made quite an indendation on the side of my head behind the ears so I think I will have to go in and ask them to adjust them.

Michael 02 Nov 2016, 16:13

Vanessa- It is my experience that most eye doctors and opticians do not often advice as to when to wear glasses unless you specifically ask. And they should especially if you are getting glasses for the first time. Not sure why that is the case.The doctor saying you should wear them for distance means for distance activities when you either need to or want to see clearly. Like sporting events, concerts and TV. But especially for driving. You should never drive without glasses because I don't think you would be able to pass a DMV vision screening in any state without glasses.

You could wear them full time if you wanted to but that is entirely up to you.

Michael 02 Nov 2016, 16:12

Vanessa- It is my experience that most eye doctors and opticians do not often advice as to when to wear glasses unless you specifically ask. And they should especially if you are getting glasses for the first time. Not sure why that is the case.The doctor saying you should wear them for distance means for distance activities when you either need to or want to see clearly. Like sporting events, concerts and TV. But especially for driving. You should never drive without glasses because I don't think you would be able to pass a DMV vision screening in any state without glasses.

You could wear them full time if you wanted to but that is entirely up to you.

antonio-o 02 Nov 2016, 15:19

Hi Vanessa,

I understand you,

for me first glasses were useful for cinema,

maybe tv, driving of course and perhaps big crowds and presentations.

Please tell us what you like to wear them for,

first looks into distance in them are great usually !

ah and for seeing flowers in nature they help too,

find out why ! :-)

best regards, antonio

vanessa 02 Nov 2016, 12:40

Antonio, I have not picked them up yet, I'm picking them up at the weekend, can't say I'm particularly thrilled, the optometrist just said to wear them for distance. Why don't optometrists give more direction about when to wear glasses, I do drive so I am going to definitely wear them for driving. I don't think I will wear them at work as I'm office based in front of a computer all day.

antonio 02 Nov 2016, 11:19

Hi vanessa,

what have you used your new glasses for so far ?

Best regards, Antonio

Soundmanpt 02 Nov 2016, 10:22


There a number of good on line retailers that you can get your gf really nice looking glasses that she will look very fashionable wearing. I recommend these 2 places "" and "" both are very good and yet not expensive.

But the first thing you need to do is get hold of a pair of her recent glasses so you can measure them for the proper size. You might have to get her mom or someone that is close to her that knows where she keeps her old glasses. Once you have them measure across the front of them using a millimeter ruler. She appears to have an average face size so she is probably 128mm tp 132mm. Anyway once you get that measurement then when you go on line and start finding glasses you think would look good on her you can check the size they come in to be sure it is very close to what her previous glasses measure. you will find several hundred from each place for under $15.00. But with her strong prescription I highly recommend you get her high index lenses (thinner) In her case go with the higher one which sells for around $34.00 extra. also get the optional AR coating (anti-reflective) which will eliminate glare and reflections from her lenses and made wearing glasses much more comfortable for her. If for any reason when you give her the glasses she doesn't like them both places will return 50% of what you paid for the glasses. Hope this helped.

Dan 02 Nov 2016, 09:37

Is it possible to get a cute pair of glasses for someone with a very high prescription?

My girlfriend is forced to wear very high prescription contacts to correct her severe nearsightedness. I think she gets them custom made. Of late, I've noticed her struggling with them in the evenings. I want to get her a nice pair of specs that she feels comfortable wearing around friends and family at home. She is very self conscious about her eyesight so the aesthetics of the lenses have to be absolutely perfect in order for her to even consider wearing glasses (even at home).

I earn a decent amount of money and am willing to spend whatever it takes to get her a fabulous pair of glasses that do justice to her.

Please provide suggestions for frames and lenses (what index etc.)

Her prescription is as follows:

Right: -13.75 -2.50 180

Left: -15.25 -1.75 005

I want to be able to surprise her so I'd prefer it if she didn't have to be involved with the purchase. Will this be a problem? I have her prescription and her pupillary distance.

Here is a picture of her for reference (for frame suggestions)


Can any optician make a large fashion frame work for her?

Soundmanpt 02 Nov 2016, 08:12


With this being your first time getting your eyes examined i'm sure everything seemed strange to you. Even when people get their eyes examined yearly some become confused with all the which is better questions. But you have to remember that the doctor is only trying to determine as close as possible what prescription works best for your eyes. And i'm sure at least a few times it was hard to see much difference at all. I assume you don't have your glasses yet? But even though your glasses won't be all that strong I am quite sure that they are sure to make a big difference in how you see things wearing them. Actually I think after you 're eyes get adjusted to your glasses you will find that anything more than just a few feet away is going to be noticeably blurry without your glasses. Without any doubt you now need to be wearing your glasses whenever you drive. Most countries require that you wear glasses once your eyesight is worse than 20/40. Based on your prescription I would say that your eyes are around 20/60 or 20/70. You should soon find that glasses will be needed for going to a movie, watching TV at home, going to concerts or sporting events and anytime your eyes feel tired your glasses should help. Of course if you like wearing your glasses and don't like having to be constantly pulling them and putting them and taking them off wearing your glasses more often isn't doing any harm to your eyes. And of course not wearing your glasses isn't doing any harm either, except you just won't be able to see as well. Let us know what you think when you get your glasses.

vanessa 01 Nov 2016, 13:02

Hi all,

Thank you for your responses, I am not sure what line it was as it was on a projector type display with a mirror behind,he kept changing the letters. It is my first prescription for glasses. I got left eye -1.25 cyl -.25 15 and right eye -1.00. I was getting quite frustrated that he kept asking when it was blurred to see. I think the prescription is quite weak as he was saying I should wear them for distance and not all the time.

Soundmanpt 01 Nov 2016, 11:15


By any chance do you recall which line it was that you were having trouble seeing? If it was really close to the bottom of the chart then you must have pretty good eyesight.

in the end what was the result of your eye test? Were you prescribed glasses? If so are they your first glasses?

Cactus Jack 31 Oct 2016, 16:36


Your examiner was trying to get an idea of your best Visual Acuity (VA). The chart you were reading is called a Snellen Chart. Each line is based on what a person with typical VA can read at a specific distance from the chart in normal lighting.

The lines are designated in either feet or meters. The 20 foot or 6 meter line can be read by most people with 20/20 (feet) or 6/6 (meters), but that is not actually the best vision. A few people can read the 20/15 or even the 20/10 line. The idea behind the procedure is to see just how far down the chart you can read without squinting, without correction. Squinting actually causes errors in evaluating your VA, so you don't want to squint.

In prescribing corrective lenses, the objective is to find the prescription that will let you read the the 20/20 or 6/6 line comfortably. If you can make out some of the letters on the line below the 20/20 line, it would be written as: 20/15 - 3. What that means, in plain language, is that you can read the 20/15 line at a distance of 20 feet, but you missed 3 letters. That means that you have very good vision with correction.

Hope this helps.


Antonio 31 Oct 2016, 16:19

Hi Vanessa ,

Yess, it's common for them to make you read or try to read or even guess small letters. Was the same for me before getting first glasses . For me it came out, -1.5 lenses could help me seeing. And for you ? If you like to share experiences come to

Best regards, Antonio

vanessa 31 Oct 2016, 14:04

Hi , i had an eye test recently and was struggling to read the smaller letters, I was told to try and read them and guess, I started to squint and sit forward, I guess without realising until the optometrist said to.sit back and not squint. What was the point of him saying to guess , surely it's better to say when letters are blurred so you can get am.accurate idea of what someone can see before they start putting lenses in. Is this common practice for optometrists to keep.pushing you yo read smaller letters?

Glasseslover 16 Oct 2016, 17:02

Thanks Cactus. I guess lesson learned. I figure wearing -1 overcorrrection for about a year now would have gave me some permanently induced myopia but I guess not. Although my contacts Rx is weaker, I've had no issues accommodating an additional -1 diopter. I think I'm going to try to go up to either -1.5 or -2 additional diopters on my next Zenni order. I'm in glasses 99% of the time and only use contacts for sports which is about a combined 10-15 hours a week.

Cactus Jack 15 Oct 2016, 11:57


Sounds like you learned an important lesson about Inducing Myopia. When you go for an exam, ALWAYS wear glasses or contacts with a prescription that is the same as previously prescribed, if you have seen the ECP before. If it is a new ECP, wear glasses or contacts that are slightly under corrected if possible. What you really want is an ACCURATE prescription to use as the basis for the glasses or contacts you decide to order.

If you are aggressively Inducing Myopia, you ideally need to have a selection of ECPs available, so you never go back to one you have seen before. They keep records and will ask questions if there are unexpected changes.

At 38, you likely have limited accommodation range left to be able to do much more than induces some Pseudo Myopia. Enjoy while you can.

My suggestion is that you need to consider GOC. We can help you with that, but you need to start with an accurate prescription and reasonable initial goals to do it successfully. It is tempting to start with double digits, because you can. The problem with starting too high is that you need to learn to see with high prescription glasses. It takes some getting used to. People with natural high myopia did not get there overnight. Their prescription increased slowly over a period of years. Several GOCers have mentioned that they started with GOC glasses in the -16 to -20 range, successfully, but they are the exception.


Glasseslover 15 Oct 2016, 10:22

Man...what a disappointing annual exam. Previous contacts were -5.00 and -4.75 and glasses from Zenni with my own modified Rx was -6.00 and -5.75. I gave myself a -1 diopter increase when ordering.

So I go in for my annual exam after wearin my Zenni's with slight overcorrection hoping for a good increase. The initial machine that estimates your Rx gave me a great readout! It gave me a -6.25 and -9.00!!!! I was like "YES!!!! Almost double digits!!! I love it!" That was until the doctor came in and said..."that's a funky reading...let's see what's going on here" she came to the conclusion that my eyes are straining and I was being overcorrected. So the worst news...she backs my contacts off to -4.25 and -4.75. How the heck am I ever going to get an increase??? I realize at 38 it's tough to do but at this point I'd be happy with just getting to -7 or -8 even though I'd love to be -10 or above, I just don't think it will happen.

Thoughts? Overall, disappointed I'm not as nearsighted as I want to be but happy that eye health looks good!

Cactus Jack 10 Oct 2016, 13:41


What you have asked about is what is called GOC (Glasses over Contacts). We can help you with what is called a GOC Combo (combination) of optically correct Contact lenses and Glasses, with appropriate adjustments for your actual prescription and Vertex Distance effects of glasses with a prescription greater than about +/- 4.50. With prescriptions +/- 4.50 and above, you CANNOT just use lenses with the same optical power, but opposite signs to neutralize each other.

I did a little research on Nystagmus and learn a little about it. According to the web site I found, Nystagmus is a neurological (nerve) condition and there are 5 different types. There was no mention about the use of GOC, but there was mention that sometimes Contact Lenses can help, if a person needs glasses. The reason stated was that with glasses, the motion of the eyes meant that the central axis of vision swept back and forth away from the Optical Center (OS) of the glasses lenses. The OC is the "sweet spot" in a glasses lens where the correction is most accurate. With contact lenses, the lens ideally remains centered on the Cornea and moves with the eyes.

I would like to ask you a few questions, if I may, but first, you need to know that I am NOT and Eye Care Professional (ECP). My background is Electronic Engineering and Computers. I tend to approach problems from a Engineering Problem Solving direction. My interest and knowledge of vision comes from studying the causes and solutions to my own vision problems. I have some Strabismus (Esophoria) problems and have to wear glasses with Base Out prism because my eyes want to converge or turn inward (cross). I am an "Amateur" in the original French sense as a person who studies a subject out of love of the knowledge.

Here are the questions:

1. What is your age and gender?

2. Where do you live?

3. Do you know the type of Nystagmus you have?

4. Sometimes Nystagmus is caused by disease. sDo you know what caused your Nystagmus?

5. How long have you had Nystagmus?

6. What is your educational level?

7. Have you tried any treatments or therapies to treat your Nystagmus?

I am sure I will have more questions after you answer the above.


Nystagmus 09 Oct 2016, 16:43

I have nystagmus and limited vision both far and near. I read long time ago about improving close vision by wearing strong plus glasses and matching minus contacts. In theory glasses and contacts should cancel each other but one would still benefit from magnification effect from glasses and should be able to see better at close distance.

I haven't tried this myself but I am getting desperate since I can't read anything except for very large font. I use hand-held magnifiers to read but they are inconvenient.

Does anyone have any experience with this? What kind of prescriptions you think would work best? My natural prescription is close to 0.

Likelenses 08 Oct 2016, 19:10

The study that Cheryl is participating in at the university school of optometry is working with this as well as other things.

They had her read this,and reviewed it with her,and the other participants of the study.

Cactus Jack 15 Sep 2016, 19:49


-2.00 Sphere with -1.00 Cylinder is actually worse than -3.00 Sphere. The reason for this is that and eye with astigmatism (requiring Cylinder correction), actually has two different focal distances which messes up vision both close and distant. Astigmatism makes reading very fatiguing because it is impossible for the eye to focus properly. At least with -3.00 Sphere only you can focus clearly at any reasonable distance closer than 33 cm or 13 inches.


Question 15 Sep 2016, 15:30


In terms of visual acuity, what would be the worst.

-3 sphere with no cylinder, or -2 with -1 of cylinder?

My girlfriend has the latter. Im just trying to figure out how bad her eyesight will be and whether it's as bad or worse than a -3


Concerned 10 Sep 2016, 20:06

Family friendly? There is an XXX thread and an Induced Myopia thread.

 07 Sep 2016, 19:39

Likelenses should be suspended for that blatant personal attack. that was ridiculous, egotistical, and immature. I think he forgot this board tries to remain family friendly.

til 07 Sep 2016, 13:58

Indeed personal attacks don't lead anywhere good.

 07 Sep 2016, 10:36

There are no more rules here... this board has turned in a battle field with many trolls

June 07 Sep 2016, 09:55

i think this last post violates the terms of service. personal attacks against other users. LL you might want to re-read the rules here.

Likelenses 05 Sep 2016, 20:12

You dumb POS

I said you did not use A NAME,NOT YOUR NAME.

And quite obviously Likelenses is not my name,but A NAME.

This will be my last response to you!

GOOD DAY Shithead!

 05 Sep 2016, 17:04

chances are likelenses isn't your real name either, dumbass

Likelenses 04 Sep 2016, 20:45

In addition,since you are not a decent enough to go by a name,you do not deserve any responses

 04 Sep 2016, 20:10

in other words, your story is total BS.

Likelenses 04 Sep 2016, 19:47

If you want any of this information,you will have to catch Laura on Lenschat.

I cannot reveal any information,as I had promised her.

 04 Sep 2016, 18:02

what happened when you gave her the glasses like you promised? what pub did she work at? why haven't you spoken about her since? did you ever talk to her at all? or did you make this whole story up?

Likelenses 04 Sep 2016, 16:16

Get a life,that was back in 2010.

Nothing new to report.

likelenseslikelenseslikelenses 04 Sep 2016, 15:53



Astra 04 Oct 2010, 08:12

I'm waiting to see likelenses report how laura react when he gives the lenses to her.

haven't visited this thread for a while, at first didn't know what's special about the pub for laura.

wow. if she have to see dishes that close it would be so fantastic experience for some customers. Some customers may think otherwise. but whatever.

incredible. i wanna likelenses (or someone else) to take a photo with her and share on flickr if he/she wish to, and send them on eyescene. it sounds fantastic... for sure.


Astra 04 Oct 2010, 03:49

Like lenses,

oh I would like to know the pub... perhaps next time when I see you in lenschat.

Like lenses 03 Oct 2010, 04:12

Gullible spotter & Flaine

Well lets just see what happens when I present her with the -4.00 glasses.


Gullible Spotter 02 Oct 2010, 12:19

@LikeLenses... and please tell me you were smart enough to realize they were also simply reading the story off this board or are the actual Laura C writers themselves trying to jerk your chain.

There is no way they would have known that much detail about some waitress they don't even know. Sorry I don't buy your friends "sudden" coincidental mention of all the exact same details posted here.


Flaine 02 Oct 2010, 09:46

Like lenses,

Sry lime lenses, this post is not meant to offend you but i wont buy your story..


Like lenses 01 Oct 2010, 23:40

Laura C

I think that I know the pub that you work at. It is really a small world.

Yesterday some friends that I know were talking about this certain pub, ( I will not mention the name ). They were talking about a girl that works there, that they refer to as visually impaired. They said that they thought that she may be partially blind,as she does not wear glasses, but seems to not be able to see much. They then went into the same story of this girl almost putting her face into a customers dish,to see what it was,so she could serve it to a second customer.

I may surprise you by coming into the pub,and privately presenting you with a pair of - 4.00 glasses that I no longer need.I may just leave them along with your tip.

Likelenses 03 Sep 2016, 22:40

Cheryl had her interview,and eye exam ,and has been accepted into the university optometry school's two year study on adults with progressing myopia.

There are twenty five candidates to be selected.Cheryl is the eleventh one accepted.

They mentioned that she is in the higher prescription range of those that have already been selected.They also were very interested in the fact that she had no astigmatism until a year ago in one eye, and a few months ago in the other,as well as her minus sphere increases ,along with her first bifocal prescription.

They told her that her prescription had changed some,but that before they would write her a new prescription they would have to consult with all of the doctors,and professors conducting the program.This consultation will be some time next week.

When she first decided to apply for the program,she was initially excited,then last week apprehension set in,and now that she is in the program,she is curious,but has some apprehension.

Puffin 02 Sep 2016, 17:41

Cactus Jack

I get what you mean about not advertising my "party trick".

I'll have to learn how to juggle instead.

I have no great wish to wear glasses (I even hate sunglasses) But oh well, it's probably coming one day.

Cactus Jack 02 Sep 2016, 11:55


1. Accommodative Myopia is what is also called Pseudo or False Myopia. It is the same phenomenon as Latent Hyperopia except it is on the other side of 0.00. There are two types of Myopia, Axial or True Myopia and Pseudo Myopia. Pseudo Myopia is considered "temporary" myopia whereas Axial Myopia is considered "permanent" myopia. Both types of Myopia have the same exact effect and both can be present and the results are additive. Pseudo Myopia is caused by the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses being very slow to relax. Many people have Pseudo Myopia that tends to become more noticeable as you approach the age where Presbyopia becomes a nuisance.

2. Not really, When Presbyopia becomes a nuisance depends on a person's genetic makeup and their visual environment. The idea that Presbyopia does not become a problem until 40 is a myth.

3. The variation in Astigmatism is very common. Please read "How to Study for an Eye Exam", below for an explanation of how to minimize Axis variation.

4. Because of your astigmatism it is probably better to wear your glasses full time. A person who has any type of Myopia actually has built in reading glasses. When you don't wear your glasses for closer work, you are not fully exercising your Ciliary (focusing) Muscles. The need for an Add is caused by 2 things: gradual stiffening of your Crystalline Lenses and weakening of your Ciliary Muscles by their not getting enough exercise. However, at some point your Crystalline Lenses will get so stiff that your very tiny Ciliary Muscles just can make your eyes focus and you need external focusing help.

Hope this helps.


nemo 02 Sep 2016, 07:08

Sorry: my previous exam was in 2012, not 2002!

nemo 02 Sep 2016, 07:07

At the last check, my eye doctor said me that I have an accomodative myopia and since I am 38yo it is normal the small decrease he found. This is my current RX

LE sph -1.00 cyl -0.50 axis 1° RE sph -0.25 cyl 0.00 axis 0°

whereas my previous one (January 2002) was

LE sph -1.25 cyl -0.25 axis 23° RE sph -0.50 cyl -0.25 axis 18°

These are my questions:

1) what is accommodative myopia, precisely?

2) does it imply that I will need adds sooner? at which age, if it is possible to predict it?

3) is the measured variation of astigmatism regular, both in cylinder and in axis?

4) Is it better for me to wear glasses fulltime, even for computer and reading? Since now I used to wear them only for driving or walking and almost never for eating, reading, and other close works

Cactus Jack 02 Sep 2016, 06:26


An eye exam is not like an exam that you might take in school and there is really no way to study for it. However, you can prepare for it and learn about your role in the exam. The best eye exams are a team effort between you and the Examiner. Part of the preparation is to learn what to expect, particularly if this is your first eye exam.

One important thing you need to keep in mind is that the Examiner has no way to experience what you are seeing. He/she has to depend on your answers to questions.

There are two parts to an eye exam. The first part is the Objective part. This part consists of:

1. Taking a Visual History where you describe your vision and the kinds of problems you are having.

2. Checking the internal pressure in your eyes for symptoms of Glaucoma. This is one of the very few parts of an eye exam that is even mildly uncomfortable and the discomfort only lasts for a few seconds.

There are two basic ways to do the pressure test.

A. Using a special instrument to lightly touch your Cornea. Not to worry here. Before doing this type of test a drop of mild anesthetic will make sure you don’t even feel it.

B. There is a new type instrument that uses a puff of air directed against your cornea. No anesthetic is required, but the puff will startle you. The puff of air is harmless and there are huge benefits of detecting Glaucoma early before it can do damage.

3. Obtaining a preliminary estimate of your refractive error using an Auto-Refractor, or manually by using a small hand held instrument called an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope.

The Auto-Refractor is a relatively new instrument that was developed in conjunction with NASA to check Astronauts vision in space. You look into the machine with each eye individually at a scene or a pattern and the machine will adjust its internal lenses to focus the image you see on your retina. The Auto-Refractor only takes a few seconds for each eye and it then prints out your estimated prescription.

Some Examiners prefer to use manual methods that have been used for many years. Using an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope and a Trial Lens set or a Phoropter (a fancy machine with a built in lens set), the Examiner will look into your eyes and select the lenses that allow him to see your retina, most clearly.

The object of this part of the exam is to get a starting place for the Subjective part of the exam where you have to describe what you see.

Typically the Subjective part of the exam starts with the Right Eye shutter open and the Left Eye shutter closed.

Step 1 is typically determining the cylinder and axis of any Astigmatism correction you need. This is actually the hardest part of the exam because you will be asked to judge relative blurriness of two images rather than the sharpness of an image.

You will be shown a line of text and a supplemental lens will be rotated into place. This lens is a cylinder lens that is mounted on a 45 degree pivot and can be flopped back an forth to bracket a trial axis or orientation of the long axis of the cylinder lens. The thing that is confusing about this test is that the straight lines (strokes) of the letters will alternate in clarity as the lens is flipped back and forth depending on their direction. I suggest concentrating on an “O” if possible. Depending on your answers, the examiner will adjust the axis knob unit the image you see is equally blurry with the supplemental lens 45 degrees each side of the selected axis.

At this point the Examiner will probably swing the supplemental lens out of the way and may change the cylinder power while asking you which lens in clearer.

You may be uncomfortable, for your first exam, asking the Examiner to let you fine tune the axis, but I have found that most will appreciate your wanting to actively participate. The way that works is that he will place your hand on the Axis control knob and you move it back and forth a few degrees of the sharpest image, this time.

The next step is determining the Sphere correction. This is an easy part of the exam because all you have to do is pick the sharpest image, but there is a tricky part. Your auto-focus mechanism will try to help, if it gets a chance. The Examiner has a couple of ways to minimize the action of your ciliary muscles and crystalline lenses.

The Examiner can in effect sneak up on your Sphere prescription or he can use drops to Dilate your eyes. Lets talk about sneaking up on your prescription first. There are actually 4 lenses in your eye’s lens system. All of them are PLUS lenses and the total power is about +56 diopters. The only variable focus lens is the crystalline lens whose PLUS power is controlled by your ciliary muscles. For distance, your Crystalline lens is fully relaxed and has somewhere around +15 diopters. When you focus to read, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze the Crystalline lens to increase its PLUS power by the amount necessary to focus which depends on the distance to the object.

This will take a little thought to get your mind around, but if you are nearsighted, your lens system has too much PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your retina and you need MINUS lenses to neutralize some of that excess PLUS power. You ONLY have the ability to increase the PLUS power of your lens system. You have NO ability to reduce the PLUS power of your Crystalline lenses more that fully relaxed.

To try to keep your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses from getting in the act, the examiner will start with NOT ENOUGH MINUS or TOO MUCH PLUS (same thing) and gradually increase the MINUS one or two steps at a time, while reducing the size of the line you are asked to read. He will not tell you what power lens or what line you are looking at. Eventually, he will reach the 20/20 line and a lens power that lets you read it with no mistakes.

He will then follow the same procedure with your Left Eye.

When he has completed both eyes, he will open the shutters and you may see two images. This part of the test is to check your muscle balance using some prisms. He will probably ask you to tell him when the two images are aligned horizontally and then vertically. While the images are separated, you have an important check to make. Compare the sharpness of the two images. If they are not equally sharp, be sure and tell the Examiner which image is clearer. If there is a difference, he will likely reduce the sharpness of the clearest image until they match. The important thing at this point is that they match. That lack of sharpness will be corrected in the next phase with both eyes working together.

Next he will fuse the images so both eyes are working together and repeat the Sphere procedure by gradually increasing the MINUS or decreasing the PLUS until you see the smallest line of letters very clearly.

That pretty much completes the exam except for checking your near vision with a small chart about 14 to 16 inches from you.

Cactus jack 02 Sep 2016, 06:22


You have NOT done the wrong thing. Your question about Astigmatism is a very good one. Astigmatism is usually caused by uneven curvature of the front surface of the Cornea. The actual cause is unknown and there really is no known way to affect it one way or the other.

Astigmatism changes, but usually, very slowly. Most changes in Astigmatism are caused by lack of experience on the part of the patient. I know that sounds strange, but selecting the best Cylinder power and more critically, the Axis of the Cylinder is very subjective. The reason for this is that the patient must judge relative blurriness instead of the relative sharpness of what you see. It is hard to do without experience or training.

I have written a piece called "How to Study for an Eye Exam" that explains the procedure. Unlike most other medical tests, an Eye Exam is divided into two parts. The first part is the Objective part. That is where the Examiner looks into your eyes with either a hand held device or asks you to look into an Auto-Refractor. That provides an approximate prescription, which is a starting point.

Aster that, comes the Subjective part, where the Examiner MUST depend on how you describe what you are seeing. The Examiner has absolutely no way to experience what you actually see.

I will post "How to Study . . . " in a separate post on this thread. It is fairly long, but you may find it useful for your next exam.


Ni 02 Sep 2016, 05:05

Have i done the right thing wearing glasses all the time? Can astigmatisms get worse every year or does it stop?

Cactus Jack 01 Sep 2016, 18:22


It sounds to me like you are one of the very fortunate few whose Crystalline Lenses are still very flexible and whose Ciliary Muscles have excellent tone and condition. Your optician is right, enjoy it while you can. Please don't be tempted to get any OTC readers until you can no longer focus close enough to read.

There are really two elements to needing reading glasses. The most obvious one is Presbyopia or stiffening of the Crystalline Lens. In your case it is apparently happening much more slowly than is typical. The more subtile one is Ciliary Muscle de-conditioning. When you finally get to the point where you wear even +1.00 readers, you are reducing the amount of exercise your Ciliary Muscles get. It is amazing how fast the Ciliary Muscles loose their strength. That means that stronger and stronger readers are needed until the typical limit of +2.50 or maybe +3.00 is reached.

I urge you to not be very vocal about the fact that you can still focus close without reading glasses. My very limited experience with reading glasses is that they are a royal pain to keep up with. Many people I know, whose arms have grown too short, have a fleet of reading glasses scattered around their home and office because they are forever misplacing them. When you get to the point where you really need reading glasses, you may find it advantageous to get some Bifocals or Progressives with plano distance and + whatever in the reading segment. If you wear them all the time, it is unlikely that you will misplace them.

Again, enjoy while you can.


Crystal Veil 01 Sep 2016, 15:01

Lucky you, Puffin. I needed them at age 35 after an illness nicknamed the kissing disease (Pfeiffer in Dutch).

Puffin 01 Sep 2016, 13:11

Been to the optician recently and everything is OK, but mentioned my weirdly good close range vision - I should have reading glasses by now (I'm nearly 50!) but can still read normal print 6 inches away... that's about 2-3 times as much accommodation as I should have as far as I can tell.

He was surprised, but told me nothing to worry about and enjoy it while it lasts.

However, I do feel a little odd at times. Last year I was in a cafe and it struck me how many people of my age and younger were reaching for readers. I felt a little left out.

A couple of weeks ago a relative asked my why I wasn't wearing glasses of some sort. I tried to explain but... Oh, I'm going to get these questions over and over. Perhaps I need to get a fake pair.

 31 Aug 2016, 11:56

Cheryl is just as real as June and LauraC. NOT.

Ni 30 Aug 2016, 04:39

I've been wearing glasses all the time now for 3 weeks and love it. Is such a difference now when I take them off. Is suprising how bad your eyes can get before you relise you need to get glasses. there was a few things that made me go to the opticians but I really did not see the bike when crossing the road. Being nearsighted with -2.50 is quiet normal will it get worse and astigmatisms I'm not sure about can it get bad in years to come?

Likelenses 29 Aug 2016, 18:53

My girlfriend Cheryl's Optometrist called her today.

In addition to his practice,he teaches Optometry at a local university.

This school year, they are beginning a two year study on adults with high myopia,that have had significant prescription increases after forty years of age.

He thought Cheryl would be a good candidate since she not only has had minus increases,but also has recently developed a fair amount of astigmatism, where as she never had any before.

The study will require her to have an eye exam at the university every month,at no charge,and they will provide her with any new prescription at no cost.In addition they will pay her travel expenses,and give her a monthly check for participating.

She decided to accept the offer,and her interview,and first exam is next week.

She just got a new stronger Rx a few months ago,but sometimes thinks that the glasses are already too weak,so it will be interesting to see the results.

The only downside that I see is that it would screw up the study if she were to now wear any over correction.Since her last increase she refuses to wear one anyhow,because she thinks that is what is causing her increases.We agreed that she would not tell the school that she previously wore over correction fairly often.

 27 Aug 2016, 18:47

Moderate -

lazysiow 26 Aug 2016, 18:47

And prescription VR lenses are already available

lazysiow 26 Aug 2016, 18:41

Hoya vision simulator. Blends a trial lens set with a virtual reality headset to simulate vision with different types of lenses. Would love to get my hands on one of these.

Actually if anything, those VR headsets needs to be made with removable lenses and options to get your own prescriptions made and inserted into them.

 20 Aug 2016, 05:08

here we go again.... (rolls eyes)

Jenny 20 Aug 2016, 00:13

Hi! I'm so excited to have found some people who are actually knowledgeable about vision! I would really like your opinion in my vision and when you think it will stabilize. I'm really nearsighted.

I started wearing glasses when I was six for a lazy eye (my right). I also had to wear a patch but that doesn't seem to to have made much of a difference. Every six months my eyes get worse and I go back to to the ophthalmologist.

My prescription is:

Right eye: -17.25 -4.50x127

Left eye: -13.75 -3.25x96

I can only see 20/100 with my right eye. Do you know of any exercises I could do to improve it? What is weird is that when I first got my glasses my left eye was longsighted! Now I can see 20/40 with it and its nearsighted.

I'm fourteen now but I skipped a year at school so people think I'm older. My mum is from Hong Kong and she wears glasses but only -7 and I have a brother with about the same prescription as her and a sister who is about -4 (but she's only 9).

So when do you think it will stop? Will I ever be able to see 20/20?

Jenny 20 Aug 2016, 00:12

Hi! I'm so excited to have found some people who are actually knowledgeable about vision! I would really like your opinion in my vision and when you think it will stabilize. I'm really nearsighted.

I started wearing glasses when I was six for a lazy eye (my right). I also had to wear a patch but that doesn't seem to to have made much of a difference. Every six months my eyes get worse and I go back to to the ophthalmologist.

My prescription is:

Right eye: -17.25 -4.50x127

Left eye: -13.75 -3.25x96

I can only see 20/100 with my right eye. Do you know of any exercises I could do to improve it? What is weird is that when I first got my glasses my left eye was longsighted! Now I can see 20/40 with it and its nearsighted.

I'm fourteen now but I skipped a year at school so people think I'm older. My mum is from Hong Kong and she wears glasses but only -7 and I have a brother with about the same prescription as her and a sister who is about -4 (but she's only 9).

So when do you think it will stop? Will I ever be able to see 20/20?

Concernedsister 15 Aug 2016, 14:42


Yes, almost every waking moment.

Cactus Jack 15 Aug 2016, 13:31


It is impossible to guess and speculation is of absolutely no value. Please let us know the diagnosis.


antonio 15 Aug 2016, 13:21


please visit an eyedoc very soon with her ok ?

don´t know what it is,

best regards, antonio

andydalton 15 Aug 2016, 13:03


Does she wear contact lenses?

ConcernedSister 15 Aug 2016, 11:35

Cactus Jack

Okay, but what could be wrong?

Cactus Jack 15 Aug 2016, 10:38


She needs to see an Eye Care Professional as soon as possible to find out the cause.


ConcernedSister 15 Aug 2016, 10:22

Last night my sister told me she is not seeing so well with her left eye. She said there is like a white cicle that is blocking her view. Any thoughts?

Soundmanpt 14 Aug 2016, 11:38

Spam alert! The 2 posts below mine are spams from good old Ralph.

 14 Aug 2016, 11:31

Moderate +

 14 Aug 2016, 11:31

Moderate +

antonio 14 Aug 2016, 07:54

Hi Ni again,

if you like, you can come to eyescene,

there many of us discuss vision related themes,

best regards, antonio-o

antonio 14 Aug 2016, 07:53

Hi Ni,

nice you wear your glasses now on a daily basis,

how strong are they ?

have you really not seen that cyclist because of not wearing your glasses ? was he cycling fast ?

best regards, antonio-o

Ni 14 Aug 2016, 03:02

I've been wearing my glasses full now and yes your right you forget your wearing them. I didn't think I would wear glasses but now I really got use to them. Before I was putting off getting my eyes tested because didn't want glasses how stupid I see why everyone is wearing now. I wouldn't want to go without them, The final thing that made me go to the opticians, I was crossing the road and nearly got hit by a cyclist is dangerous not to wear glasses now.

 06 Aug 2016, 17:49

Jamie 03 Aug 2016, 20:47

Cactus Jack,

Thank you for your support, concerns and suggestions. Trenton seems to be on track. He is learning some new words, just yesterday his new word was yes in Arabic. He already had the English version down. Compared to my other boys he is doing well. David and Nick did not really start forming words until they were 24 and 23 months, respectively.

Cactus Jack 03 Aug 2016, 11:17


Thank you for your update. Being able to see well is key to mental development in babies and young children. About 80% of learning occurs through vision. One thing to remember is the he is playing catch up and anything you can do to help him will pay big dividends in the long run.

Babies and very young children are a lot smarter than we used to think and his reaction to his new glasses says a lot about how important it is to see well, even to a 15 month old.

Recently, there was a link posted, on another thread, of a video of a much younger baby than Trenton, getting glasses. At first the baby tried to avoid the glasses, but as soon as they were in place, the baby's face lit up with a huge smile as suddenly the world came into better focus. Unfortunately, the actual prescription was not posted and it is hard to estimate from the video, so I can't compare it to Trenton's prescription.

I urge you to look into fun visual teaching aids that may help Trenton catch up. He may be a little old to start learning Baby Sign Language (BS), but because of his vision problems he may be, developmentally, a bit younger than his calendar age. I have seen the results of teaching BSL to babies. The results are amazing even in 5 or 6 month old babies. Curiously, BSL seems to accelerate talking rather than delaying it, as first thought, when BSL was introduced. I don't think it can hurt.


Tony 03 Aug 2016, 09:46

Jamie 03 Aug 2016, 08:04

Just a little update,

Trenton got his new glasses this morning. He got really happy when the doctor put them on him. He loves his new glasses, and he looks like the most adorable little man!

 30 Jul 2016, 20:47

In and out of focus.

Soundmanpt 30 Jul 2016, 07:17


Wearing your glasses or not wearing your glasses isn't going to make your eyes change any differently. I looked back to where you got your recent glasses. The prescription you now have is -2.50. You didn't mention anything about astigmatisms, so I don't know if you have astigmatism correction in your glasses or not. Just because your eyes are nearsighted there is no reason to think that you're going to develop astigmatisms. And even if you at some point need astigmatism correction it's not really a big deal and you're not going to find it any different then just getting an increases But what I can tell you is most people would be wearing their glasses full time at -2.50 for all the reasons you mentioned. Your eyes have to feel much more relaxed because their not straining and your able to see clearly now. The main thing for you now is jst getting used to wearing your glasses all the time now and you seem like you're already doing that. You will be amazed that in no tome at all your glasses are going to be so comfortable that you won't hardly even know that your wearing them.

Ni 30 Jul 2016, 04:05

I've been wearing glasses last few days and my eyes feel so much relaxed, don't feel tired and I can see. I didn't want to wear glasses but I've had to give in. Now I'm wearing them my eyes are going to get worse each year, a friend who also wears glasses said just wait when you get astigmatism you will be blind then what does she mean? My optician says I should be wearing them all the time so can't help if eyes get worse?

Soundmanpt 28 Jul 2016, 08:51

That guy was here a while back and he finally went away. His name is Ralph Tyko and I have no idea what he is selling. If I happen to open up one of his posts i just quickly click off of it.

 28 Jul 2016, 07:14

I hate this guy SPAM BELOW

 27 Jul 2016, 19:59

In and out of focus.

Melyssa 26 Jul 2016, 04:41


I wear my half-readers within large glasses or in front of smaller glasses, and I have been fortunate thus far to need them only at home, because at work I have a window cubicle and a large screen with good-sized fonts on my computer. Of course, once I win the lottery, I can get multi-focal lenses in all of my glasses. :)

While I could get prescription sunglasses, the ones I use do the job well, and they have held up well for many years of driving into the sun. Now granted, they don't completely cover my three really huge frames, but I don't look over the top anyway. Google Images permitting, this is what they look like:

 25 Jul 2016, 14:54

Soundmanpt seems overly obsessed with your sexual arousal, Melyssa. Be careful.

E 25 Jul 2016, 14:48

Hi Melyssa,

Is there any reason for you not getting prescription sunglasses instead of wearing one pair over the other? I have done that and it feels extremely uncomfortable not to mention that it looks awkward!

Also with reading glasses, does it not get annoying having to carry another pair around and putting them on and off? Im nearsighted too and whenever I need to see close up I can just take off my glasses. Cant imagine needing two pairs of glasses- one is more than enough!

Melyssa 24 Jul 2016, 09:48


First off, the sunglasses I wear over my regular eyewear do a good job when I drive to and from work, but nothing short of a blindfold helps with the combination of eye drops and bright sunlight.

I get my lenses for $40 a pair at a regular, non-brand optical store. Of course, I do not get bifocals or progressives, as I use dollar-store half-readers to read things at home.

Soundmanpt 24 Jul 2016, 09:17


I'm a bit surprised that only about half of them were wearing glasses. I would have thought nearly all of them would be in glasses. Interesting that the young lady working with was the only one wearing a new style frame. Nearly every optical store supplies at least one new pair of glasses per year to their employees and many of the high end places provided glasses much more often Also many of the girls working in the stores often are given free glasses from frame reps. as long as they wear the glasses in the store. In my area we have only one optical store that is high end and they have 3 locations in high class areas. You can expect to pay at least $500.00 up to well over $1,000.00 for glasses from them. Some even have diamonds set in the frames. My best friend's daughter has been working their for the past 4 years and she is often on Facebook modeling new glasses. She has quite a collection of some very nice glasses herself now. Before she started working there she never wore glasses only contacts, but now the only times she wears contacts is when she plays softball for her brother's team.

So you're not one that gets any aroused feeling getting your eyes examined. And walking out into the bright sunlight with your eyes dilated doesn't make you feel aroused for sure. Carried says she does enjoy getting her eyes examined and admits to being aroused by it, but I wonder if any of Carrie's eye exams have included dilating her eyes?

The glasses that you about to get your prescription put into look really nice and retro. So the frame only cost $8.00 which is a really great price but may I ask you how much it will cost you to get your lenses made and inserted?

Cactus Jack 24 Jul 2016, 08:54


The important thing is for your children to be able to see well. Glasses are just a tool to help that happen. Hopefully, your boys will come to realize that having vision correction is no big deal. Not much different than wearing shoes because the soles of our feet are not very tough or wearing a coat when it is cold because our "fur" is not thick enough. Other kids can be a problem about making fun of their glasses, but it is a lot better than it used to be when I was very young in the 1940s. Back then, less attention was paid to checking vision at an early age. Having to wear glasses meant that you were a target of ridicule. That still occurs some, but not nearly like it was then.

One small suggestion to consider. Most ECPs will suggest a time for a future exam. Many people think that is sacrosanct and will suffer changes in their vision until the magic date. Young children are not aware vision changes will naturally occur as they grow and need to be reported. The process is so slow and gradual that is not noticed. It is not a good idea to pester them about it or plant ideas, but I would encourage you to be aware, observant, and sensitive to clues that they are not seeing as clearly as they should and take action.

Young people like David can usually correct their Hyperopia (farsightedness) internally. Mild, uncomplicated Hyperopia is one of the rare conditions that a young person can grow out of, but he could have future problems when he reaches his teens and starts dealing with the tiny text on Smartphones.

I hope all this has been a help to you. Please remember that I am not an ECP. Your ECP is the best source, but they are often too busy to spend much time explaining things in "English".


Melyssa 24 Jul 2016, 08:27

Carrie, this is the type of new frame I will be treating myself to this week, which I have had for a while without an prescription in it (among others):

And I am doing this because the black frame which looks just like this has a crack in it, and I don't know how much time it has left to join others from the past.

Melyssa 24 Jul 2016, 08:25

Soundmanpt, the only older women at the eye doctors' place were in the reception area and the glasses/contacts area. (The glasses run from about $400 to $800.) About half of the women who were working there on Friday wore glasses, and yes, the one who handled most of my exam wore real lenses, as I could see (before the drops) some decent cut-in. And hers were the only new-style ones.

I do not get aroused from having an eye exam. As for how I feel, the good news is when the prescription stays the same and I can keep my gorgeous glasses going without a change. The bad news is not being able to see very well for a lot of many hours afterwards, due to the drops and the sunny weather.

As for the cataracts, only time will tell. If I am able to function without glasses, I will just pop out the lenses in my favorite frames and wear them around the house. :)

Jamie 24 Jul 2016, 07:21

Cactus Jack,

As far as walking, Trenton did take the longest, but only by a couple of weeks. He started walking (without holding on) at 14 and a half months, and it had taken Chris one day more than 14 months. As far as talking, Trenton os still only babling, but in the last week or so some of it is starting to sound like ma, dada and wick (probably his attempt of Nick).

The nearsighted boys are doing pretty well with their glasses. Scott is doing the best, he does not take them off until bed time, and puts them on as soon as he wakes up. Chris keeps them on most of the time. He takes them off to read and ususally puts them on after his whole morning routine. Philip usually puts them on when he leaves the house. My farsighted boys are complete opposites. David, has stopped wearing his. He insists he does not need them, and can see fine and read fine without the glasses. Trenton loves his so much, and cries of we take them off. He has also gotten a lot better with the paychinh, and no longer throws a tantrum, persay. He just cries a little at the begining.

Cactus Jack 23 Jul 2016, 21:04


I is wonderful to hear form you again. I often think of Trenton's situation.

What I meant by Development is that vision is very important for mental development and learning about the world. About 90% of what a person learns is through their eyes. That is why I asked about about his development. At 1 it is sometimes hard to tell and I was wondering how he had progressed, compared to your other boys at that age.

I would like to suggest that you should not think of Trenton's vision having gotten "worse". His prescription changed, but the difference is what is important and that was not very much.

I am assuming that the first number you listed was for his Right Eye (OD) and the second number was for his Left Eye (OS). The increase was +0.50 in his right eye and +0.75 in his Left Eye. Maybe you should think of the new prescription as being more accurate than the prescription in April. The small PLUS increase may help him see close things a little better.

Because Trenton is only about 15 to 16 months old now, there is no way for him to tell the examiner how clearly he is seeing things. There are actually two parts to an eye exam. The first part is where the examiner looks into a person's eye with an instrument of some sort. There days it is often an auto-refractor which gives a near instant reading of what lens power is needed to project a sharp image on the Retina. This first part is called the Objective exam and it yields only an approximation. The second part is called the Subjective exam where the patient tells the examiner how clearly he sees a line of letters and that yields the final prescription. A very young child cannot do the Subjective part so the examiner has no choice but to use the results of the Objective part of the exam, plus his judgement of should he/she increase or decrease the prescription a little.

A young child's world is one of needing to see things that are close. A little extra PLUS makes that easier. In some ways, it is like Davis needing some PLUS to make it easier for him to focus close to read. Right now, both Trenton and David are Hyperopic and need PLUS glasses. Both of them have a lot of growing to do. Trenton, obviously has a LOT of growing to do. Part of that growth process involved the eyes. Hyperopia means that the eyes need to grow some more and it is possible that if their genes permit it their Hyperopia will decrease. Unfortunately, the opposite is true for Myopia, it is likely that it will increase as a person grows. Genes are the primary controlling factor in eyeball growth with visual environment as a much weaker secondary factor. There is a regulating process that we don't fully understand that ideally stops eyeball growth and prescription changes stabilize, typically in the early 20s.

Needing a prescription like Trenton's is not good, but it is not all that bad. Next time you get a chance, ask your ECP if he can set up some MINUS lenses to give you an ideal of what he sees without his glasses. In this case, a picture is worth more than a 1000 words and it will help you understand his joy when he has his glasses.

I think you and your husband are doing a wonderful job of trying to give your children the best possible chance of a brilliant future.

May I as how your other boys are doing with their glasses.

I suspect Trenton gets unhappy without his.


Soundmanpt 23 Jul 2016, 19:21


Over the years since you first started wearing glasses you have learned quite a bit about your own eyes as well as others. When you first got your glasses I don't think you had any idea what plus or minus glasses even were? You were just thrilled to be getting real glasses. So I don't have to tell you that having or not having or wearing a slightly stronger prescription than you need isn't really going to do any harm to your eyes as long as your able to see okay wearing them.

Astigmatisms are so unique compared to just wearing glasses for farsightedness or nearsightedness because a -.25 or a +.25 for either of those is almost impossible to even notice, but when it's astigmatism even a -.25 can make a difference or in your case be missed if you don't have it. So even though you like the added power of your cousin's glasses not having the astigmatism in them probably makes your own glasses a bit more comfortable to your eyes. The perfect solution is if you want to hold off getting your eyes examined for a while longer is to order a pair or 2 on line with the same prescription as your cousin's glasses only with your astigmatism prescription added to it. That should allow you at least another 6 months or more without going for an exam.

Carrie 23 Jul 2016, 14:04

Soundmanpt - I am mostly wearing my own glasses as I miss the astigmatism correction despite it only being small although the slightly stronger + in my cousin's glasses feels good. I still wear her glasses occasionally. I haven't ordered any glasses online yet but I still might.

Soundmanpt 23 Jul 2016, 13:03


A few months ago after trying on your cousin's new glasses which were too string for your eyes she went and got her previous glasses for you to try on. They were not as strong as her new ones but they were a little stronger than your glasses. You could see quite well with them and she let you borrow them. I warned you that if you wore them very much your eyes would adjsut to them so much that your own glasses would soon seem to weak for your eyes. At the time you were wearing them everyday so you took my advice and started only wearing them every so often for a day. But more recently you said that you had decided to wear her glasses all the time and maybe even go on line and order another pair including your astigmatism which her glasses didn't have. So are you still only wearing her glasses theses days or are do you still wear your own glasses as well as hers?

Michael 23 Jul 2016, 13:02

Jamie- I am very sorry to hear that Trenton's eyesight has gotten worse.How are your other boys doing with their glasses?

Jamie 23 Jul 2016, 12:51

Hi, everyone. I know it has been a while since I have been in here. Trenton had his 3 month appointment yesterday. Sadly, the results were not what we wanted to hear. His eyesight has gotten worse. His new glasses will be +8.25 and +10.50. I was really hoping his eyesiggt would improve even by a little, but instead his got worse.

Cactus Jack,

You were asking and wanting to know about Trenton's development, and I just saw the messages. What exactly do you mean?

Carrie 23 Jul 2016, 11:32

Melissa - good to hear that your eyes are still healthy. So no new glasses as a reward to yourself? There must be some lovely frames you are tempted to get?

Soundmanpt - I am one of those people who gets aroused by their eye exam. If I am lucky enough to get an attractive female optician I do get very turned on. It's the brains and beauty combination that I find sexy as well as them getting very close to me.

I wouldn't mind getting my eyes tested this year even though I only had my last test and got my current prescription last year. My eyes might have changed a little bit but it is the test I want and the results don't matter. Now if my girlfriend became an optician I don't think I would be able to control myself if she tested my eyes. She's already got the brains and beauty.

Soundmanpt 23 Jul 2016, 10:26


Thanks for taking us through your eye exam in the step by step way you did. Would I be correct in thinking that you really enjoy getting your eyes checked? Several have even admitted to being aroused in getting their eyes examined. It seems since your last eye exam several things have changed? I guess that's the nature of the optical business to keep up with any advancements. Also if I recall the last time you were in for your exam either last year or maybe even 2 years ago. You said that most of the people working there were older women, now it seems they have hired a number of younger women as opticians and assistants. I'm guessing that all of them or nearly all of them were wearing very trendy glasses, including the one that was working with you. Her glasses sound like they fit being trendy if they were on the big size and blue frames. Were you able to get a good enough look at her glasses to make a guess about what her prescription might be, if any at all? It's interesting if I look in at the optical centers of Wal-Marts I see mostly older women working their. But if I look in at the high end type stores they all seem to have attractive young ladies working in the store and wearing trendy glasses. They have found that young attractive women not only make great models for their eyewear but also both men and women prefer being waited on by another woman. Women and men are more likely to want a woman's opinion when selecting new frames. Anyway glad everything stayed the same for you. At some point are you expecting your cataracts to worsen and you will have to have them removed? You know when they do that now you might not even need glasses anymore or at least not anywhere near the -9.00 you are now. Something tells be you would cry if you can't wear any of your 50 something pairs of glasses anymore.

Melyssa 23 Jul 2016, 08:02

Part II:

When my optometrist came in, he checked my glasses as well, as well as my results from previous exams. Then he had me look at the chart sans glasses to let him know when I could see anything, and he did the "1 or 2" trick as well. Then he used a machine which instead of blue light, I saw white, yellow, then orange, very bright in all cases, for both eyes, after which I was seeing pink stripes with my eyes closed. :) My cataracts have not gotten any worse, and I told him that the floaters are not as bad as they were a couple of years ago when I first noticed them. So all is in order for now, and I shall return next summer.

My husband drove me home (and to the place, of course), as I could not deal with the brightness, especially with us going into the sun for most of the return trip. I had to wear my sunglasses over my regular glasses for about three hours, after which it was bright only near the windows at home.

Melyssa 23 Jul 2016, 07:58

Part I:

Yesterday I had my annual eye exam, and things have stayed the same in terms of my vision. The place I go to has all young women as optometric assistants. The one who worked with me wore blue glasses, in what would be mid-sized frames for me and large according to many other people.

The exam started with the balloon at the end of the road in the middle of nowhere with mountains at the back (near Las Vegas, perhaps?). Then I was given the "Blue Light Special," where this time instead of focusing on the examiner's ear, I was able to look at a decal on the machine. Then we went to another room where she checked my medical history and my beautiful sky-blue glasses, after which it was time to read the line of the eye chart closest to my prescription. For close-up vision, I held a card with lines with various font sizes, but unlike in past years, another assistant put one of those old metal "glasses" that have all of the possible lens views on me to read what turned out to be the next-to-last line.

I was given a river's worth of eye drops, after which it was "intermission" for the exam for 20-30 minutes.

Soundmanpt 19 Jul 2016, 17:08


The Gucci frames are very nice as one would expect considering they are designer frames. But I thought you still have a rain check that you need to use from when you got your current glasses as a part of a 2 for one deal? Wouldn't you be better off using that before it runs out?

Yes aside for the difference in price between single vision lenses and varifocal lenses I don't see any downside either. Actually getting varifocals earlier on probably would have been better for your eyes anyway. I'm sure when you were getting even your very first pairs of glasses you only barely needed them for reading and your distant vision was most likely perfect without glasses. Wearing them full time of course your eyes adjusted to them and you were able to see distance with them perfectly. But had you gotten varifoclas with the upper part being non prescription and the lower segment your add would have been easier on your eyes. If your daughters ever decide to start wearing glasses you might want to suggest varifocals to them.

caroline 18 Jul 2016, 23:27

Thanks Mr Soundman, good points, I do like the way the iPhone face is so clear, and I can read books, as its a five, and the script is quite small.

Yes, it stands to logic, if you need specs for constant, then get the varifocal, whats to lose? Is there a downside ( as there is with prism {no going back})

I can't think of one.

I could have had them years ago,

My money for the extra shift is coming next week, so maybe those super gucci frames will decorate my face soon after, they look exquisite, and via the internet, will be less that half price of the shop.

I found there, also gorgeous, with the gold filigree.

May see if they are a bit less expensive elsewhere.

Michael 18 Jul 2016, 15:49

You are welcome. I tried to send you as much information as possible. If you have any more questions we are all here to try to help.

BTW 18 Jul 2016, 15:44



Michael 18 Jul 2016, 14:26

BTW- One more thing. I think this all comes down to personal choice and lifestyle. Contacts may be a great option for one person and a terrible option for another. You will have to decide what the best choice is for you and weigh both the pros and cons.

Michael 18 Jul 2016, 14:21

BTW-More info about the pros and cons of both contacts and glasses.

There is a lot to consider when making a decision. And if you do decide to get contacts you will need a pair of glasses as a backup. I don't think many people wear contacts 24/7.Also the cost of contacts can be significant because few insurance plans cover the entire cost. The disposable contacts can run into a lot of money and if you don't get the disposable ones there is the matter of the cost of supplies like cleaning solutions. But it also can come down to personal choice. If you like wearing glasses and look good in them you may want to stick with them. If you don't like how you look in glasses then you may want to consider contacts. There is no easy answer as there are a lot of pros and cons for contacts. And contacts require much more maintenance than glasses do.But many people who get contacts say their vision is better with them than with glasses. I can't give an opinion because I never wore contacts.

Michael 18 Jul 2016, 13:40

BTW-This may help you. Discussing both the advantages and disadvantages of contact lenses.

Michael 18 Jul 2016, 11:31

BTW-How old are you? Can you give us your current script? If your eye doctor recommends contact lenses you should definitely consider them especially if you could get your insurance to pay for them. But contact lenses are not for everybody. There are different kinds of contact lenses and what would work for one person wouldn't work for another. It would be trial and error to try to find lenses that would work for you. But some people can't tolerate wearing them. If you have sensitive eyes I don't think contact lenses would be a good option. Also if you need multi focal lenses they may take longer to get used to. Also some people may not be able to tolerate something in their eye. They say they are easy to put in and take out but I am not so sure about that.I was born with a mild case of cerebral palsy that affects the fine dexterity in my hands so for me contact lenses could not be an option. I don't think I would stand a chance of being able to put them in and take them out. My mind might know what to do but my hands would not cooperate. But to get to your original point it is up to you and your eye doctor to decide. It is hard for anybody here to offer advice as to what to do. But if your script is high and it appears to be because you are saying your vision is always a little worse every time you have your eyes examined and your lenses are single vision you may be a good candidate for contact lenses. That may be what your eye doctor is thinking. And you are probably at an age when your vision has stabilized. But if insurance won't cover it you might not have the financial resources to cover the cost of contacts. There are a lot of things for you to consider.

BTW 18 Jul 2016, 10:59

I had my annual appointment with my eye doctor earlier today, and as always my eyesight has gotten worse, I think she said it was by half a diopter (not sure I spelled that right). After the exam she asked me if I have ever thought about contacts, and that she reccomended them for me. She said that with a high prescription like mine contacts would be a beter option, and I would get more periphial vision. Are contacts really the better option? Should I get them? My insurance does not cover them, but my doctor said she could write to them saying she reccomends I get contacts, but can't get them because they are not covered, and they should make an exception.

Di 18 Jul 2016, 09:09

Hmm trial lens frames aren't terribly flattering so I'll draw the line at walking around with them on. However you bring up an interesting point that it seems that it's not straightforward giving an accurate prescription for people with very severe short sight. I thought it would be quite black and white but there are other factors involved particularly when wearing glasses which from one pair to the next can vary in how they hold the lens in front of the eye. I'm quite happy with my current glasses that I got 6 months ago. I know my vision isn't perfect but to me it's as good as it gets. Occasionally someone will point something out in the distance and I'll have to admit I can't see it. Apart from those times I get along pretty well.

All my kids (by two different fathers and now grown up) are short sighted but not as severely as me and thankfully they don't have the other eye problems that I have. My younger daughter is 18 and is a contact lens addict. I have to nag her to wear her glasses at home to give her eyes a rest. She leaves home and goes to university in a few weeks and I worry she'll over wear her lenses. I shall have to continue nagging her by phone and text.

Crystal Veil 17 Jul 2016, 15:19


I understand your concern. My life partner is 62 and she has a prescription of -12. Although perfectly able to drive at night and to practice various sports including running the half marathon, she always has lots of problems during eye tests. A few years ago, she requested me to attend one such an eye test. It was an absolute disaster and she left the shop with a prescription that was clearly totally wrong. I have a trial frame and trial lenses and invited her to do a test with these. I often used it for myself, checking what opticians measured if it did not feel good. My own problem has to do with a major difference between both eyes which makes the balance between both images problematic. The advantage of using a trial frame and lenses is that there is no time pressure. Time is money, it's as simple as that. My partner knew that I don't have the professional qualifications but that I helped several people out in the past so she gave it a try. We did not use a screen but car registration plates and house numbers at the far side of the road. We took the whole thing at our ease, doing a bit of measuring and then take a break for a chat and a tea. Within an hour we found the prescription that suited her best and I ordered glasses online for her with that prescription. The glasses worked great and she has been using them ever since. She still goes to her optician for an eye health check but after three years there is no need to change anything so she is happy and functioning well. The problem as I see it is that most opticians seldom come across customers with really high prescriptions and it's really a different ballgame to find the best solution. Did you ever request if you could walk around the block in a trial frame with lenses after an eye test? It may sound crazy but that's what I always do and most opticians grant it when they hear the story about the balance between both eyes. They can measure the next client and after that I give them my feedback with some suggestions like -0.25 more to the right eye and +0.25 more to the left eye. It works for me and it may well work for you.

Soundmanpt 17 Jul 2016, 14:48


Your kids must have gotten the genes for their eyes from their father and he must have had very good eyesight when he was younger? They could have very well gotten your genes and also be wearing rather strong glasses by now. I don't think any woman would decline having kids just because they might need to wear glasses.

Di 17 Jul 2016, 14:33

Thanks anonymous person below for posting in such an upbeat way. While I wouldn't wish eyes like mine on anyone, it's comforting to know there are others out there in the same boat. I'm very grateful for the sight I have and even more grateful that I didn't pass my eye problems onto my kids, so I consider myself lucky.

Di 17 Jul 2016, 14:33

Thanks anonymous person below for posting in such an upbeat way. While I wouldn't wish eyes like mine on anyone, it's comforting to know there are others out there in the same boat. I'm very grateful for the sight I have and even more grateful that I didn't pass my eye problems onto my kids, so I consider myself lucky.

antonio 17 Jul 2016, 09:15

yes, you must look great in those, caroline :-)

best regards antonio

Soundmanpt 17 Jul 2016, 08:13


It's great to hear how happy you are with your eyesight since you got your varifocals. Based on how well you're able to see now with your glasses do you think you might have benefited if you had been prescribed varivocals earlier on rather than just wearing single vision glasses? You've clearly always enjoyed wearing glasses but I think mostly because you liked how you looked wearing glasses more than really needing them very much to see with. Now you really do need your glasses in order to see things clearly. Now that you have been wearing these glasses for a short time and your eyes should be fully adjusted to them by now have you had any problems when you're overly tired or been straining your eyes a good bit any double vision with your glasses on? When you take your glasses off does double vision come instantly or after you have your glasses off for a few minutes? Does it seem harder to fuse images into one with your glasses off?

Nice that your so impressed with wearing varifocals that your even trying to encourage your work colleagues that are over 40 into asking their optometrists for varifocals. Actually you shouldn't be just limiting it to the ones that are over 40. You might be surprised at how many that are only around 20 now wear varifocals. Yes years ago varifocals were something you didn't need until you were closer to 40 or older, But that was before there was I-Phones and texting and other devices that use small type or images. You many more young people have gone to varifocals at an early age. When you're telling your work colleagues about the benefits of varifocals you need to convince them that it isn't about age anymore. Just for an example any of your colleagues that wear reading glasses, i'm sure you have seen them constantly having to put their glasses on to read something and then take them off as soon as they finish what their reading. Probably they have even laid their glasses down and then had to go find them. Varifocals would be perfect for them even if their distance vision is still perfect. With varifocals they could have the top area without prescription and the reading add. Now they would be able to wear their glasses all the time and not needing to do the on and off thing. I'm sure for many of your colleagues the idea of wearing varifocals doesn't sound interesting to them. Much like your trying to encourage your daughters to wear glasses doesn't interest them.

caroline 16 Jul 2016, 20:19

Well, thanks all, for your help, I am now comfortably settled into my varifocals with prism, seeing well and happily.

Another bonus, when driving the car, seeing the dash, odometer and other dials in focus, with the road ahead also in same focal plane is a real pleasure.

I have been urging the colleagues at work, over 40, to go and get tested, then ask for varifocals,even if seeing well in the distance. No takers so far

My extra shift is tonight, so may spend the discretionary money on these beauties

as they look gorgeous in white and gold, by Gucci, my favourite framer.

Probably $250 by the time lenses are added.

What does the team think?

Happy spotting folks,& Ill keep lurking.

Soundmanpt 15 Jul 2016, 13:53


I assume that you had and used vision insurance to get your eye exam and glasses? Even with insurance I have a feeling you had to pay something out of pocket as well. If you were only wanting to wear glasses and only got the eye exam so you could get an actual prescription to get glasses you need to know there is a much easier way to get glasses. You can go on line to "" and fill in what ever prescription you want. Even better they have well over 800 pairs of women's glasses for under $13.00 and even adding on the AR coating is only an additional $5.00 so if you're going to continue wearing glasses and you maybe want several pairs to choose from to match different outfits or maybe you're going to be wearing glasses to drive you might want a cute pair of prescription sunglasses to wear. They are the exact same price as the regular glasses.

Soundmanpt 15 Jul 2016, 13:12


I really doubt that you actually fooled the doctor even though you tried. If you think back to when you got your eyes examined after you complained about having trouble reading signs at a distance the doctor would have put the refractor in front of your eyes and put some lenses into it and asked you to read the 20/20 line or even possibly the 20/15 line. Do you recall how well you were able to see the letters then? My guess is that you could read them perfectly. Now he probably did believe that you were maybe straining to see them or that they might even have been slightly fuzzy but not bad enough that you couldn't make them out. It would have been so much easier if you had simply complained about having problems with seeing when your driving at night. That would have gotten you the very same glasses as you ended up getting. Doctors are very aware of what they have named "night blindness" which just means that a person maybe very well be able to see the eye chart perfectly but has a very real problem with seeing signs and such after dark. My best friend's wife has this exact problem. She has 20/20 vision and can see just fine during the day but at night she needs her glasses to drive safely. Did your doctor also recommend that you get AR coating (anti-reflective) on your glasses as well? You didn't say what your age is but if your over 20 years old I really doubt that wearing your glasses had any real effect on your eyes. Once you got your glasses how much did you wear them? Were you wearing them full time or just when you felt like wearing them? The glasses you were prescribed shouldn't cause any harm to your eyes. As you have found out from wearing them they do make things sharper and clearer when you wear them which is exactly what they should do. Now it makes sense that after you have been wearing them on for say a few hours and then take them off your eyesight isn't going to seem as clear as it was with your glasses on. But what is really happening is with your glasses your really seeing like someone with 20/15 vision. Now when your not wearing your glasses your eyesight goes back to seeing 20/20 things aren't going to look nearly as clear and sharp as they did with your glasses on. Now if you don't wear your glasses for several days and things still seem slightly blurry then it's possible that your eyes are actually a little bit nearsighted but it shouldn't be the result of your wearing glasses even though i'm sure it might seem that way. I really think that you have just gotten so used to how much clearer everything is with your glasses that now you really do miss not having them on. If your eyes did in fact change slightly there isn't any kind of eye exercise that is going to get you back to 20/20 vision. Now like everything including glasses there can always be exceptions to the rule. So if your near or past 20 and you were only wearing your glasses part time there shouldn't be any change to your natural eyesight from wearing your glasses. Of course the only way to know if your eyesight changed or not is by getting another eye exam which I doubt you want to spend the money for already. When you made the decision to get your eyes examined it seems clear that the only reason you were even getting an eye exam was to try and convince the doctor to prescribe you glasses. Now most people when they would do this sort of thing would expect that if they were to succeed in getting glasses would expect that their eyesight would be permanently effected. In other words most people don't try yo get glasses with a real prescription if they are wanting their eyesight to still remain perfect. In a way I guess I am a little bit confused because you seemed to really want to wear glasses and you clearly wanted the to be real glasses or i'm sure your well aware that you could have gone to any boutique store and bought a nice pair of fake glasses off the rack. You actually seemed very happy with your glasses and found that your eyesight was even better wearing glasses. You said that you enjoyed wearing them so much that you sometimes even forgot you were wearing them which is exactly how you want your glasses to feel. So you seemed to really be happy wearing glasses until now when you feel like you might actually need your glasses now. If you do really need glasses now your need fr glasses is still hardly anything at all and you wanted to wear glasses anyway I would think you would be okay if you do need glasses now. In the 4 months you have had your glasses I assume you have been wearing them out in public and most everyone you know has seen you wearing your glasses. So if you were stop wearing them I would think your friends would question you about where your glasses are? I'm very aware of about how well you can see with and without your glasses and even if you find out that you now really do need glasses if it's only a -.50 prescription that you need you can still see very well without glasses. You should be able to drive during the day without glasses but need them at night and wearing the at concerts, movies, sporting events are all optional to you. Better with glasses but not necessary if you choose not to wear glasses. So I think you should just continue wearing your glasses just as you have been and not worry.

Julie 15 Jul 2016, 10:17

I've always fancied wearing glasses so finally got the courage about 4 months ago to get an eye exam. I faked it a bit and said I had trouble reading signs in the distance. In the end the dr said he could prescribe for me but they would be option for me to get or wear. He wrote -0.50 for both eyes on the paper. I waited a few weeks and got the courage to get the glasses..fairly bold that I think they call tortoise. They do make distance a bit clearer and brighter, but wearing them was totally optional as I didn't even need them for driving or movies. I enjoyed wearing them so much I sometimes forgot I was wearing them. Recently I noticed that without the glasses signs in the distance aren't nearly as clear as I remember they used to be, and now especially at night they do make a bigger difference. If I put the channel guide on my TV I see a marked difference when I put them on. I think I am beginning to actually need them to see distance clearly. With such a weak prescription did I weaken my distance vision? I have been wearing them for about 4 months. Is there a way (exercise?) to get back my clearer vision. What happened?

reply to Di 15 Jul 2016, 08:19

Same issues as you, but with a little less -

Relax, all will be ok as long as retina and macula hold up...GREEN LEAFY VEGES is the key!

Also check eye pressure, high myopes need to keep pressure under #16 (even if glaucoma doesn't "officially" start until 24)Im given a get drop once a day.

Just came from check up thumbs up.


Di 14 Jul 2016, 08:25

Thanks for your reassuring words. I'm probably worrying over nothing. I talked it over with my daughter last night and she said pretty much the same, the difference is actually quite a small percentage of my total lens strength. It's just that I've always had very poor sight and had this shadow hanging over me all my life that I might lose part or god forbid all the vision I have. My sight isn't perfect even with my specs so maybe I just haven't noticed the relatively small difference of -2? I can't really see detail in the distance and I don't have the confidence to drive anymore, although technically I can meet the required eyesight standard in the UK.

Crystal Veil 13 Jul 2016, 10:56


the answer to your question is yes. When I was 30, my prescription was -1 (left eye) and -5 (right). Now, 35 years later, my prescription is +3 (left eye) and -1 (right). The amazing thing is that what used to be my good eye is now my bad eye and vice versa.

DS 13 Jul 2016, 10:29

Hi Di,

A 2D change in a glasses prescription is only about a 1.25D change in your overall vision. The distance your glasses sit from your eye along with the high power must be factored in. I think you would notice that kind of change, but it isn't really a 2D change.

If your doctor isn't concerned, I wouldn't be either. Refraction isn't as much about eye health as it is about focusing light onto your retina and your interpretation of that focus.

Di 13 Jul 2016, 08:50

Sorry, I've written before but I think I used my full name, Dinah. Most people call me Di.

I'm 60, I don't have my prescription to hand but the left eye I'm having the problems with is a little over -20. There's also astigmatism and an addition for reading to complicate matters. I was talking to a friend today who is very short sighted, although nowhere near as bad as me, and she was saying that she went to two different opticians in quite a short space of time and her prescription changed markedly between the two tests. She said that she was told that ascertaining an accurate figure for high prescriptions isn't an exact science. I'm not sure how that can be so but I'm clearly not an expert.

Thom 12 Jul 2016, 19:41

Question: Can an adult myope become hyperopic later in life?

I had a professor for a summer seminar in 1993 who seemed to by mildly to moderately myopic. He took off his glasses sometimes if I recall correctly. It could have been to read more easily, or just to feel more comfortable on hot, humid days.

Recently I saw him in a TV interview (his field of expertise is a volatile region of the world), and I was amazed to see bulging eyes behind the lenses. The plus lenses were quite manifest.

Any idea of how this transition could happen, and if it is at all common?

Likelenses 12 Jul 2016, 16:06


Perhaps we could give you some information,but it would be helpful to know your age,prescription history,and newest,and previous prescriptions.

Di 12 Jul 2016, 12:31

As I have very severe myopia and have had retinal problems in the past I see an eye specialist at my local hospital once a year to make sure my eyes are healthy. This time he checked my eyes and all was well apart from the prescription in my left eye which appeared to have jumped by over -2 from the prescription I got from my optician six months ago. The glasses I'm currently wearing are to this prescription and I haven't noticed any issues with the vision in my left eye so I queried his findings. He did the refraction again and confirmed the original readings. I think he could see I was worried and so he reassured me that the other tests were fine and there was nothing to worry about but said he would like to see me again in 3 months to "make sure there are no underlying pathologies". This worried me even more and I don't think I can wait 3 months with the fear that there's something terribly wrong with my eye. I wonder if anyone here knows of a simple explanation that might be the cause of this. Has anyone had a similar experience? Am I right to be worried?

Plus Tony 12 Jul 2016, 08:23


I don't think she is lying to you. Hyperopia is complicated and affects people differently depending on age and other complications such as astigmatism, prism correction etc. . Please remember that the simulator is just an estimate. You need to remember that there is a difference between seeing and seeing clearly. Just because someone can see without glasses does not mean that they don't need to wear glasses. You will find many stories of hyperopes on eyescene where someone walked into an optician thinking they had perfect eyesight and walked out with a prescription and a recommendation that they should be wearing glasses all day every day!

Cactus Jack 12 Jul 2016, 07:37


Unlike Myopia, a surprising amount of Hyperopia can be corrected internally. The amount depends on the persons age, their accommodation range, and the strength of their Ciliary Muscles.


swapn  12 Jul 2016, 07:26

Thanks plus tony

It means she is telling lie to me that she can see without glasses or maybe she doesn't want to display her disability

Cactus Jack 11 Jul 2016, 17:39


Assuming your do not need much vision correction, you can simulate being Hyperopic by trying some -4 glasses. You may be able to get and optician or glasses seller to let you look through some -4.00 lenses. In this case trying to see close and distant with -4.00 glasses would be worth several thousand words.


Plus Tony 11 Jul 2016, 12:40


Your friend is quite long sighted (hyperopic) which means that her close vision is not as good as her distance vision. I posted a link to a hyperopia simulator on the glasses for auction or sale thread a couple of days ago. If you push the slider along to +4 you will get an idea of what she can see without her glasses. You will notice that everything in the foreground is fuzzy but also that while things in the distance are clearer the details are not perfectly clear. She would be unable to read or perform close tasks without glasses and while she would be able to see a bit better far away it would probably be very uncomfortable without glasses. Those of us who are longsighted often wear glasses all the time because it means we can see clearly at all distances without having to strain our eyes even if we can see reasonably well in the distance. It helps us to avoid headaches and visual discomfort. I would say that your friend definitely needs to wear her glasses all the time. I hope this helps.

swapn 11 Jul 2016, 11:48

I would like to ask a question. I am from India and girls are so shy here. I got a friend she wore thick plus glasses , she doesn't like her glasses, don't want to talk about it, I have been persuading her since 2 months. Finally ahe told me ahe ia wearing her glasses since childhood. But she never told me her prescription. Yesterday finally while joking on her glasses she told me her she has+4 prescription. When I asked her can you see without glasses? She said yes I can, , I am little bit suspicious about it. Because lens are so thick and she wear them each and every time, ,, can anyone tell me she has+4 prescription can she see? Can she able to read without glasses? Is she really need them? If someone has experience or knowledge please answer me

Frank 10 Jul 2016, 02:31


Thanks for the elaboration. With 'letting go' I meant relaxing the eyes without glasses (to prevent headache and muscle pain). That means letting one eye deviate, which I think may be more visible than the usual split in deviation with prism. My deviation without glasses is probably higher anyway, since I wear plus glasses (possibly some accommodative element).


Yes, I guess we have a fairly similar experience. Can you still see somewhat sharp image when pulling your eyes together? I have noticed that this has changed in my case. Without glasses I see better out an individual eye rather than fusing both eyes if that makes sense. When I started wearing prisms I still had best vision when using both eyes, even without correction. In swimming pools or when I am tired I need to relax my eyes if I want to see somewhat clearly.

 09 Jul 2016, 05:52

In and out of focus.

Soundmanpt 08 Jul 2016, 09:56


It makes sense that when you take your glasses off now for you to merge an image into one your straining your eye muscles quite a bit so it's not surprising that your only able to hold it as a single image for a few seconds. I assume you mean with your glasses and you're looking in a mirror or taking a selfie that your pupils look as you say "out of whack" it's more noticeable to you than anyone else because you are aware of your issue with your eyes. So even your selfies probably look very normal to everyone that sees them. Remember probably most everyone you know are much more used to seeing you with your glasses on all the time so seeing you or a selfie without your glasses they probably just think your eyes look a little different because you don't have your glasses on and maybe can't see very well. That's probably even the same with your daughters not noticing. Over the years i'm sure they have noticed when you got new glasses but they probably don't pay much attention to your eyes. Yeah then lenses from your first prism glasses are pretty useless to anyone. Since you have found out how much you love wearing varifocals making all your lovely single vision glasses useless as well have you tried to encourage either of your daughters to maybe pick out a few and start wearing them? I know you said you even offered to pay for them to get glasses but they refused, but now that all your single vision glasses are useless to you and just going to in box gathering dust they might reconsider since your not actually buying them glasses but just giving them free glasses. I know you how happy you would be to see them start wearing glasses like you did when you were about their age but you would be even happier if they were actually wearing some of your old glasses that you once wore.

caroline 07 Jul 2016, 21:30


With glasses off I can pull the images toward one another, and relax them out wide, and can hold a single image for about 10 seconds, then they flick away,if I look at myself, or take a selfie, I can just see that the pupils are out of whack ( whats the proper term?), but no one has ever said anything, its been over 3 weeks, and my daughters don't notice it either.

Unlike you I don't have 2 pairs yet to compare, but I have the lenses from the first pair ( prism 4 a side), they gave them to me , I guess they are no use to anyone else.

Cactus Jack 07 Jul 2016, 07:23


It takes quite a bit of BO prism before people notice anything other than the edge thickness of your glasses. A prism diopter causes or corrects 0.57 angular degrees of turn in (or turn out in BI glasses).

A prism diopter is defined as that amount of prism that displaces an image 1 cm (10 mm) at a distance of 1 meter (1000 mm). If you translate that back to the eyeball and reference it to pupillary displacement it winds up being something like this:

The center of rotation of the eyeball is the approximate center of the orb. The radial distance from the center of rotation to the pupil is a bit over 1/2 the diameter of the orb or about 14 to 15 mm. 10 mm displacement at 1000 mm is the equivalent of 0.15 mm per prism diopter at the pupil. Even 10 diopters of BO prism only causes a 1.5 mm inward displacement of the pupil.

Eye convergence occurs all the time when you look at something close, such as the person you are talking to. Unless a person is very close they probably will not notice the tiny additional convergence as a result of prism in your glasses. If they are close enough and know you well enough, they MIGHT notice a small additional difference in the amount of white showing inside of the pupil and the outside of the pupil. If they are OOs they might be more likely to notice.

You prescription is also a factor. Eye position is easier to see when wearing PLUS glasses than MINUS glasses.


Frank 07 Jul 2016, 06:49


I have read your posts. It seems you have quickly adapted to your new glasses quickly and seem very happy. You mentioned that the increased prisms don't make much of difference. I share that experience. I had bought a spare pair of glasses from Zenni (since I could only afford a single expensive prism glasses pair). I took the opportunity and increased the prism by 2 dptr (one side each) since I already knew that I need more anyway. At some stage I switched between my regular and the spare pair, wore them for a few days and couldn't change back anymore. I can just fuse the pictures on distance, but not for long. That is only really an issue in swimming pools. It doesn't take long before my muscles get painful and I need to let go. This is most annoying anywhere you are close to people for a longer period, since I never know if they notice that my eyes are relaxed and turn in (I have base out prisms, but as far as I have understood yours are base in...).

Anyway, I am happy with prism correction, taking them off just reminds me how straining my vision was before. I am in fact thinking about buying yet another 'spare pair' with a mild increase. But I know there is no going back.

It would be good to know how your development goes.


Soundmanpt 06 Jul 2016, 07:01


Then you of course you want to use your rain check before it expires. The reason I was suggesting holding off wasn't because of getting varifocals but more due to the prisms that still might need to be increased. You seem to be doing fine with wearing varifocals and I don't expect much change in that part of your prescription. In fact you clearly are enjoying the sharp detail you're able to see through your new bifocal segment. You seem to be about as excited with wearing bifocals as you must have been when you got your first pair of glasses back in 1989. Yes sadly i'm afraid all your previous glasses are now pretty useless to you. So if don't have a way to display them then I assume they will all go into a box and be put on a shelf somewhere. But maybe as your daughters get a bit older they may find that they need to start wearing glasses and they might find many of your old glasses still very fashionable. Didn't you say that they both actually do have prescriptions very close to what most of your glasses are? I'm sure all of your previous glasses would be a real treasure to many.

caroline 05 Jul 2016, 22:19

Yes sandman, they have an expiry date on the half price of 3 months, so that should be plenty time to get used to the varifiocals, I have discovered other advantages too,

Eating out, better to see the detail of the food on the plate,

and doing up buttons on my blouse, tying shoelaces,

getting things out of my purse,

but best of all is suturing wounds, the edges are so clear, and the needle placement is more accurate.

Without glasses, its always double vision up close, and I can fuse the distant image, just. So bye bye to me lifelong collection, they are a museum of glasses fashion for 25 years 1989-2015

I am a complete convert to varifocals, the optometrist was excellent, I have written an evaluation on their website, as they sent me a survey last week.

On "seen on the web", I see occasional younger women with bifocals, varifocals are almost double the price, but I can understand why they like the add in the lower segment.

Likelenses 02 Jul 2016, 18:44


Yes,I am a male,and love seeing women wearing glasses.

I have never been known to be politically correct,and am proud of it.

Soundmanpt 02 Jul 2016, 10:47


The fact that you have enjoyed wearing glasses for so many years even though you hardly ever really needed them has to be a big advantage to now that you actually do need them now. I'm glad that you didn't have any issues with steps and curbs which many people do seem to have. Having the add positioned lower in your glasses is a good thing in that your eyes are going to mostly be seeing through the distance part of your glasses unless you need to read small print which then requires you to lower your eyes to see through the add segment. I'm sure at first it took a bit of practice doing that because almost everyone tends to tilt their head back to use the add. But you seemed to have mastered that withing the first week of getting your glasses except of course when your trying to see a hanging IV bottle. Not much you can about that except bend your head back. I would think that for many things including even reading your able to read with the distance part of of your glasses still. Only the smaller print where the add really helps. Not surprising that your unable to read your computer screen without glasses. Until your recent vision problems and increases you were probably able to see your computer screen without glasses but it was easier with glasses of course as they they relaxed your eyes as well. Without any doubt the double vision you now get without your glasses has to be the biggest thing that bothers you now. It's something you're going to have to live with. You already are finding some ways to not make it too impossible by doing things like closing one eye when you get out of the pool and heading for the locker room. When did they tell you that you need to return for your next eye exam? I know you enjoy shopping for new glasses and such but glasses are quite expensive and even though you have a rain check for a free pair unless there is a must be used by date on it I would suggest that you wait until your eyes get more settled down. Then you can go crazy buying glasses again.

caroline 02 Jul 2016, 01:15

Thanks for the comment Mr Likelenses ( hopefully you are male)

Such a comment on the ward would probably be reported to the thought police, its all so politically correct these days.

Mr Sandman, I have 1.5 in the top, perfect for distance, and they added +1 in the lower, and he explained that it is well below the optical centre, so I need to look well down to use it, and steps/kerbs have not been a problem.

It means that the computer screen is in the 1.5 top range, but thats OK as computer script is generally readable size, and I can't make out the screen script at all without glasses.and it looks double.

In fact I like the varifocal bit, one gets to just naturally look down to read.

It will be 2 weeks tomorrow, and it takes a little more effort to get the double vision back to single, when without gls( prism having gone up 2 ),in shower, and at the pool ( I swim on Sunday mornings, for an hour) and the trek back to the locker is best done with an eye closed!

They have an offer at Specsavers of second pair half price,, and he gave me a rain check for the second pair, I have another extra sunday pm shift next month, so may get something special, if I settle on this prescription.

DS 01 Jul 2016, 21:56


The opinion you hold on long term use of minus lenses "makes sense" such that I won't defend a position on long term effects of wearing minus lenses. However, wearing reading glasses for a while before an eye exam is not long enough. You would need to do it for about a month to see any change in the prescription outcome. You're talking about 0.25 diopters of difference when you probably sit in front of a computer (1.5D) or scrutinize a smart phone (3D) all day. If myopia creep is your worry, then get computer and reading glasses and go after the larger loads to your accommodation.

I do disagree that exam conditions would lead to overcorrection. The chart at 20 ft is already biased 0.164 diopters towards undercorrection, and the exam itself is biased to give the most plus to a myope. The optometrist only wants to give just enough minus for you to see the clearest at distance.

Concerned 01 Jul 2016, 21:28

Omit "me one" below. Sorry!

Concerned 01 Jul 2016, 21:25


It is refreshing to see someone me one on here who has a mild prescription and is not trying to weaken their eyesight.

TomandJerry 01 Jul 2016, 13:49

Thanks CactusJack.

DS thanks for your quick response- im not agreeing 100% with your comments. basically my idea is that the negative lens, in the long term, ruins the eyes. I have a suspicion that often, partly due to the exam conditions, that the eyes are being slightly overcorrected.

quick question - what is the best way of relaxing ciliary muscles which have been tense doing near work??

Cactus Jack 01 Jul 2016, 13:24


Thanks for helping TomandJerry. I have been very busy and have not had time to reply.


Have you read my suggestions for making a deal with the examiner for "fine tuning" the Cylinder Axis at the appropriate time in the exam, if it is appropriate?


Tony 01 Jul 2016, 13:06

Maria, has usado tus gafas en estos dias? cuanto tiempo las puedes soportar? despues que te las quitas, como es tu vision?

Tony 01 Jul 2016, 13:06

Maria, has usado tus gafas en estos dias? cuanto tiempo las puedes soportar? despues que te las quitas, como es tu vision?

DS 01 Jul 2016, 12:22

TomandJerry> I am having a test on Tuesday and was wanting some advice on getting the best result (I am mildly myopic). I appreciate that test are often done when the patient is stressed, therefore the lenses tend to be overcorrected.

I don't know of any correlation between the patient being stressed and ending up with overcorrection. "Stress" usually leads to a longer exam time due to longer pauses choosing a choice preference and inconsistent answers. Examiners are going to choose more plus if there is uncertainty between 2 choices.

TomandJerry> I was thinking about wear some reading glasses prior to the exam to relax the ciliary muscles. Also can you suggest a warm up for the eyes?

This won't make much difference, if any, in a short term. Even if it did, your prescription wouldn't be as effective. It would be unusual to wear unnecessary reading glasses around until you wanted to read something in the distance.

TomandJerry> I will also get some good sleep before the exam, and stop any vision training e.g. ocular stretching for 3 days before the exam.

Getting the good night's rest is good to help manage stress (but let me reassure you that this isn't a test with punishments or negative repercussions).

TomandJerry> any tips for the autorefractor?

Watch the target as you would anything else. The autorefractor is going to "fog" (too much plus) while taking its measurements as it is designed with full knowledge that the human eye can (usually) accommodate.

TomandJerry> during the astigmatism tests why do you suggest to concentrating on an “O” if possible??

The "O" has lines at every angle so you can see if any portion of the letter is fuzzier compared to the narrowest/sharpest area.

Re test in a darkened room

TomandJerry> Isn't this cheating because the vision is much better in natural light. The eye has to accommodate more in the dark.

The eye doesn't accommodate more in the dark; its focus remains the same. What changes is the depth of field as the pupil dilates. You will be able to recognize more subtle differences in the lower light.

TomandJerry> Finally, how can I relax the eyes while the examiner is changing the SPH and or lines of text.

The examiner's technique should present you the more plus lens first. Your eye will be "settled" at the most relaxed state. The second choice is presented quickly. You should make your choice quickly to keep your eyes the most relaxed.

Changing the size of the text doesn't affect accommodation.

TomandJerry  01 Jul 2016, 01:09

I have read your post CactusJAck, thank you so much!

I am having a test on Tuesday and was wanting some advice on getting the best result (I am mildly myopic). I appreciate that test are often done when the patient is stressed, therefore the lenses tend to be overcorrected.

I have read about the stages of the exam and wanted some tips.

I was thinking about wear some reading glasses prior to the exam to relax the ciliary muscles. Also can you suggest a warm up for the eyes?

I will also get some good sleep before the exam, and stop any vision training e.g. ocular stretching for 3 days before the exam.

any tips for the autorefractor?

during the astigmatism tests why do you suggest to concentrating on an “O” if possible??

"" you said The Examiner can in effect sneak up on your Sphere prescription or he can use drops to Dilate your eyes. Lets talk about sneaking up on your prescription first. There are actually 4 lenses in your eye’s lens system. All of them are PLUS lenses and the total power is about +56 diopters. The only variable focus lens is the crystalline lens whose PLUS power is controlled by your ciliary muscles. For distance, your Crystalline lens is fully relaxed and has somewhere around +15 diopters. When you focus to read, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze the Crystalline lens to increase its PLUS power by the amount necessary to focus which depends on the distance to the object.

This will take a little thought to get your mind around, but if you are nearsighted, your lens system has too much PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your retina and you need MINUS lenses to neutralize some of that excess PLUS power. You ONLY have the ability to increase the PLUS power of your lens system. You have NO ability to reduce the PLUS power of your Crystalline lenses more that fully relaxed.

To try to keep your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses from getting in the act, the examiner will start with NOT ENOUGH MINUS or TOO MUCH PLUS (same thing) and gradually increase the MINUS one or two steps at a time, while reducing the size of the line you are asked to read. He will not tell you what power lens or what line you are looking at. Eventually, he will reach the 20/20 line and a lens power that lets you read it with no mistakes. ""

so the examiner is trying to determine the 'correct' SPH in stages. Are they overcorrecting beyond 20/20 because the eye cannot auto-focus?

Another point is that the test is done in a darkened room. Isn't this cheating because the vision is much better in natural light. The eye has to accommodate more in the dark.

Finally, how can I relax the eyes while the examiner is changing the SPH and or lines of text.

Thanks a lot guys and girls!!!

Soundmanpt 30 Jun 2016, 10:58


I was wondering how you have been getting along. Glad to hear that you got your new glasses and you seem to be adjusting to them quite well. Going from single vision glasses to varifocals or progressives can sometimes take a good bit of getting used to.Based on your new prescription they are being very careful with now much prism they are fitting you with. What is interesting is that your new reading add is considerably stronger than you have been wearing. It makes me think that they may have been under prescribing you because they know that you're a full time glasses wearer and +2.50 glasses would have been too strong for your eyes for seeing distances. I'm pretty sure that even though you have been wearing your glasses full time for years your distance vision without glasses until recently was still very good without your glasses. That would explain why you could see well enough to drive without your glasses if you wanted. But you clearly seem to like the how well your able to see with your new add. I'm sure seeing the small print on IV bottles and pill bottles now has to much easier to read. Yeah not much you can do when you have to read small print that is above your head. Like you say all you can do is bend your neck back a little bit. I am more curious about how you're doing with going up and down steps as well as curbs? That is usually the biggest problem for someone new to bifocals. I assume your still being careful about those types of things? By the way I don't guess I need to tell you that soon trying to read the small print on those medicine bottles will soon be impossible without your glasses.

Likelenses 28 Jun 2016, 21:19


you sound like quite the sexy little nurse,sporting those progressives with prism.

caroline 28 Jun 2016, 20:10

Picked up the new glasses last week, they fitted the lenses in an hour.

Had the new lenses for a week, now,with 5 prism a side, and add +1 for reading.

He( the optom) said to give it a try. Cant notice any difference between 4 and 5 prism,no surprise there, after CJs math, but the +1 ( total +2.5) add for reading is quite pleasant, helps lots with reading the small print on IV bottles, drug boxes,labels too. Can see wounds better, and stitching hit looks so much bigger. Think I am a convert, at the young age of 44, to varifocals. Only downside is having to crank my neck back to look through the lower part, when reading something high, like an IV bottle, hanging on a hook.

It made me wonder, if one wears permanent glasses, why not take to varifocal early? Do we need to wait for presbyopia to set in?

Likelenses 27 Jun 2016, 23:40

Cheryl's three pair of online Zenni glasses arrived yesterday.

The two identical frames that she selected for her progressives,and her Rx sunglasses fit her perfectly.We had both fitted with high index lenses,and she looks stunning in them.

The surprise pair that I got her has a -.50 overcorrection,with CR 39 lenses. Due to the large frame this pair are quite the coke bottles,and she looks oh so sexy in them.

Last year I got her a -.75 overcorrection,and she loved the HD view,but this new pair she is reluctant to wear because she thinks that the overcorrection is what made her Rx increase.

She did ask if we we could get her blue vintage cat eye frames fitted up with myodisc lenses in her new Rx.She really liked the attention she got wearing her myo's.last year.

The rimless drill mount pair that she got from her regular optician through her insurance program have CR 39 lined bifocal lenses,which I love to see her in.

Initially she had some problems getting used to her new astigmatism ,and her increased add power,but she is fine with them now.

What amazes her is that now if she puts on her last years prescription she can barely read,or see in the distance.This I am sure is due to her new astigmatism correction.

There is one odd thing,With her previous Rx, when she would take her glasses off she just had a blank unfocused look to her eyes,but now with the new glasses,if she removes then,she seems to try to see by squinting,which with her Rx is impossible.Perhaps this too is due to her astigmatism.

Tony 27 Jun 2016, 20:12

Maria, me encanta hablar de vision y gafas, por favor sigue posteando y me gustaria conocerte mejor asi intercambiamos anecdotas sobre usar lentes, me gusta mucho lo que estas haciendo, me gustaria encontrarte un dia en lenschat, hasta pronto!

Julian 25 Jun 2016, 00:39

The time when there was a system of registering as a member of Eyescene was from April 1999 till September 2001--but as far as I can remember non-members could still post.

 24 Jun 2016, 15:03

What's the problem? Everyone knows that this site is to sell glasses for specsaver, and get pervs off. BFD.

til 24 Jun 2016, 14:32

There shouldn't be any problems with posting comments in any language on eyescene. The nice thing about English though is the fact that many people of many different origins are able to understand it.

Espanol es una lingua muy linda pero jo soy mal en hablando.

I could write in German, yet I prefer English as a good conversation is the best thing about a forum:-)

Concerned  23 Jun 2016, 22:40

The post below is not me

Concerned 23 Jun 2016, 21:26

The post below is not me.

Concerned  23 Jun 2016, 19:40

¿Qué país, María? ¿Méjico? ¿España? o tal vez en algún lugar de América del Sur y América Central? Siéntete libre de hablar sobre Eyescene en español. Algunos de nosotros habla muy bien el idioma.

 23 Jun 2016, 19:34

Sorry. no offense maria. but I think we can't afford to let this topic become buried.

It is the number one important problem right now for the entire board. As you have said, you are new here. So I say please don't assume any problem with you.

We need a registration system as soon as humanly possible. Can you please use another thread to keep the lengthy postings down in this one?

muchas gracias mi amiga.

María 23 Jun 2016, 16:09

rafa, soundmanpt, thanks for your support! Much appreciated. I just don't want to keep arguing about this topic, so let's keep talking about Vision!!

Soundmanpt, yes, before starting to buy used glasses, I made my "glasses day out" in the city using zenni glasses. The 1,75 ones were my favourites as I could wear them all day and after a few hours I almost wasn't remembering that I was wearing them! I still like to use them at home sometimes.

PD: If my grammar is poor, as it has been said, it's because I'm not a native english speaker. I am Spanish, and most of my english is self-taught, so I'm sorry about possible mistakes.

 23 Jun 2016, 13:08

WOW. Everyone seems to love the board. Everyone seems to want to keep it civil. But the moment money is mentioned: crickets. That speaks volumes about the people here.

 21 Jun 2016, 13:44

Actually that's not accurate. For a very short while, many years ago, there was required registration. Everything was like it is now, and then it lead to constant bickering. A registration system was put in place but it did not last very long. I guess there were problems with it.

If a new set of software costs a few dollars, would anyone be willing to help it? I see a perfect opportunity here.

specs4ever 21 Jun 2016, 05:36

Only moonshiner knows if this site lends itself to user registration, and for some reason I think that it might not. This problem has been ongoing here for years, even back when Wurm was running it and I suspect that if there had been an easy way to have a registration before posting here I think it would have been done by now. Unfortunately, in this, the days of complete mobility, the banning of IP addresses mo longer works, because now it is like playing wack a mole. The trolls just go to another free wi fi hot spot and send off another nasty message. It is a shame that this site is being slowly torn apart.

Michael 20 Jun 2016, 16:36

Soundmanpt-You mean register with a user name and password? I am 100% for that.

Soundmanpt 20 Jun 2016, 16:27

Why can't the same system used in Vision and Specs be used in here? It seems to work well over their.

 20 Jun 2016, 16:00

If you don't have two-step authentication, people will still come and make up fake accounts. Honestly, in 2016 somebody without a cell phone? Those people probably don't have Internet either! The whole 1% of the population? I don't care about them. I care about getting rid of the fakes.

astigmaphile 20 Jun 2016, 15:20

I support the idea of being registered with a user name and password. There seem to be less problems on Vision and Specs where that is in use. As for fakes, I could care less. It is not important to me.

Soundmanpt 20 Jun 2016, 14:29

You already know I am totally in favor of something like that. And thanks to those of you supporting me. I don't so much care about the attacks on me but I don't want people to stop coming here because of being called fakes.

Mr Cockeyed 20 Jun 2016, 14:13

Logins sound good, the cell phone may not be practical, ssome people don't have cell phones

 20 Jun 2016, 13:50

Steps to rid Eyescene.Net of fakes:

- REQUIRED log in

- Two step authentication via personal cellphone

- Require true name information, address, cellphone

- Only ONE name per account

- No more ANONYMOUS postings. Some thick headed folks here think it's all one person.

- Internet 101: Stop feeding the trolls.


How do YOU vote?

KL 20 Jun 2016, 12:03

Soundmanpt is absolutely not the same person as Carrie or Michael. He has a very particular writing style that's easy to recognize. As for name - check the comment section on several youtube videos with topics relevant to this website and cross reference said writing style... Should take you about five minutes to figure it out.

On the general topic of real users versus fake users, I wish this board required a login, and I wish it had notifications of new posts, private messages, the possibility to friend or block other users, other bells and whistles... But while vision-and-spex has (at least most of) that, hardly anyone uses it compared to the number of postings here. There has to be a reason for that. Possibly the anonymity.

til 20 Jun 2016, 02:39

I agree. Although he may not be directly violating forum rules what he does is very inappropriate and leads nowhere good. Please react

 19 Jun 2016, 23:21

Moonshiner, Please it is time to block this anonymous troll. He is flaming war everywhere on Eyescene not only on this thread. Everybody can recognize his style and we are all tired of all his personal attacks. May this board come back to what is was before.

 19 Jun 2016, 22:01

To this a hole poster 19 Jun 2016, 17:15 GO AWAY!

 19 Jun 2016, 17:15

do you have ID that shows your name is Soundmanpt? If not, you are just as anonymous as the people you so callously refer to as "no names." More glass houses again.

it would be easy to move "a few lines" if that were the case. But your incredibly lengthy discourses with Carrie, Michael, all the fiction characters go way, way, way beyond "a few lines." Are you really that self-absorbed that you can't see that?

who keeps asking you to leave? no one. yet another fantasy. just trying to get you to notice this is not the "Soundboard" and could you please shorten up the posts a little bit, and not post so lengthy so often.

ALL OF US would appreciate that.. (yes I do speak for several who don't want to. they know how much you like to make personal attacks rather than responding to issues.).

You can do whatever you want. Just try to remember this isn't the "Soundboard" ok??????

antonio-o 19 Jun 2016, 10:53

Hi Maria,

your stories are very interesting,

so I would like to chat with you


so if you like to chat about optics and optical experiences there,

soundmanpt is also there sometimes,

cu and best regards


Michael 19 Jun 2016, 07:52

Soundmanpt-I want to let you know I support you 100%. You are not a phony and neither am I. We went through this when you and I corresponded a couple of months back with many lengthy posts back and forth about the adventures of my friend Chris and her glasses. I was accused of being you. This is probably the same person at work again. What you said is so true. If you are not interested in reading a post just don't read it. I don't think people are being discouraged from posting here. Just skip over the posts you don't want to read. And yes posting photos would create other problems. But people are going to believe what they want to believe and there isn't anything we can do about it.

Likelenses 18 Jun 2016, 20:13

Yesterday Cheryl ,and I picked up her new glasses.

She was surprised at how strong they felt when the optician first put them on her.

She says that they certainly improve her vision,but that she has a kind of pulling sensation in both eyes,but slightly more in the right.I told her that that is most likely from the cylinder that has been added to the right,and increased in the left.

After we picked up her new glasses ,we stopped at an ice cream shop that we go to. For the first time in a few months she was reading the wall menu,without squinting.

When we got back to her place she was reading her mail,and commented that the bifocal seemed too strong,and that she had too bring the reading material much closer to read comfortably.

Her new lenses are not too muck thicker than her old ones,and she has been comparing them,and asking my opinion.I told her that the most noticeable thing to me is there are more,and deeper power rings.I love the way her eyes get lost in the depth of those power rings.

Soundmanpt 18 Jun 2016, 16:46

I always use my name and only my name when i make any comments. So anyone that doesn't wish to read my comment can easily skip right past. It takes very little effort to move up a few lines past my post to the next one from someone else. So if you think your constant crap of saying I am anyone other that who I say I am is going to cause me to go away you're sadly mistaken. Not that you care but I am a catholic and I don't lie which means I don't make things up or claim to be people i'm not. And yes I can honestly say that that I have never used a fictitious or anonymous name in here. Maybe I should ask you the same question? Oh wait, that's right you don't even claim to be anyone to start with do you? I at least don't hide under the cover of being no one much like a coward does.

Concerned about Concerned 18 Jun 2016, 14:17

Concerned... you're an ass. You harshly attack and accuse someone of anonymity while using a name like "Concerned" (which was taken years ago). I'm willing to bet a billion bucks you can't show ID proving your first or last name is "Concerned." People who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.

 18 Jun 2016, 14:13

Soundy, you are making yet another dumbass wide assumption. You think I am the only person posting criticism on this site. Then you attribute all "no name" comments to a single user. What kind of small mind does that?

Wake up and smell the coffee, dude. You are dead wrong. There are at least 3 others who have grown tired of what should be renamed the "Soundboard" instead of eyescene. Possibly many more.

NO there are specific threads for fantasy tales. Anyone who has been here long enough knows that long ago this problem surfaced and it was decided to create those threads for fiction. Like the Borrowed Eyeglass Tales. But now it's stretching out all over the entire site. The pattern I mentioned earlier goes on repeatedly over and over and over...

If you like making up names and then responding to them, then at least notate that in the posting. But instead, you go on and on and on and on... at least a hundred word postings every time. Sometimes 3-4 times a day. And quite oddly and coincidentally, the people you converse with, also write hundred word postings back.

And that's the problem. All the other legitimate postings get completely drowned under the weight of your lengthy, heavy conversations. I've seen many, many postings go unanswered because of your conversations with these fictious people.

No one ever said you aren't using the same account name. But can you honestly say that you have NEVER posted anonymously, under a fake name or made up a fictitious person here?

NJ 18 Jun 2016, 13:07

This is a fantasy site. Of course people are going to try to live out their fantasies here. It's just pretend, who cares?

I don't spend much time thinking or worrying about it. There is the occasional person who claims to be a parent worried about his or her, usually her, kid's vision. I sometimes wonder why anyone would come here and not many of the legitimate vision care sites. If I have any concern that the person is actually real and going to take our advice, I just say that none of us are professionals in this area, just a bunch of OOs exchanging information and occasionally living out a fantasy or two.

Mr Cockeyed 18 Jun 2016, 10:10


Very good narrative, I wonder myself why someone would be a fake, can't people be honest

Soundmanpt 18 Jun 2016, 08:42

This has to be said

Has there been fakes in here over the years? Yes i'm sure there has been and I only wish there was a good way to prevent it. That we both have in common, but to accuse every new person that enters in here as being a fake is certainly not the answer. There has more than one time when I was responding to someone new that I wondered if they were real or fake. But without real proof I am not going to accuse anyone of being fake. Doing what your doing when your wrong, of course in your small mind your never wrong, you only cause anyone that is real to not want to come back and berated by your comments. Just like myself, to you it doesn't matter how many times tell you that I have only ever used the "Soundman" in all my years here. One thing I can assure you is that no matter what you say about me your not ever going to make me leave. If this site is so bad and only dominated by "fakes" why are you bothering to come here? Don't you have something better to do then read what all of us fake people are commenting?

Concerned 17 Jun 2016, 16:35

Hey Joke,

I have posted previously. I have only come to Eyescene recently but have noticed that you have a rather inflated opinion of yourself. Why? I notice that you love to comment on other's grammar and yet you appear to be quite ignorant when I bother to read your rants.

You accuse others of being frauds? Look at yourself! You hide in anonymity like a sniveling coward.

 17 Jun 2016, 13:12


i grow tired of watching the same people post under new names to claim there is so much support for their fake... Concerned, rafa, etc? never posted before. but suddenly post now. "i stepped out of the woodwork just to post" yeah right. that's bullshit and you know it.

Sounds, you are a joke. In 10 years you have created so many, many false entities to converse with. how do we know it's you? YOU are the only person talking to them! They fit your writing style, your grammar, your crude and immature base attitude against any criticism. Most of us don't even bother interacting because it's so obvious they are fakes and got better things to do than play the "ooo i need glasses" fakes.

Not a week goes by without a new name. yet there is no publicity whatsoever for this site. and so many women coming here, who know all about diopters and refractions and their prescriptions. it's incredible the amount they know already...

unless they've always been here.

People haven't been using the fantasy threads for their stories for years. Instead they've begun living them out in all these other threads. Trying to get everyone to believe they are real. But never ever post photos or links. So how about this: can we please start using those threads and move your fake asses out of everything else?

it's such a predictable pattern.

Someone who "never" knew about this site finds it each week.

They use a very simple name that no one else has.

The fake goes on and on for many many posts with fake's creator.

Eventually the fake's creator gets tired, and boom they are gone forever.

The following week, a new fake.

Rinse and repeat.

Rinse and repeat.

Rinse and repeat.

This crap is getting OLD. Some of want to see REAL users, not fantasy fakes. If this site is really so bad at attracting people, there is a serious problem here.

Why bother to care so much? I care about this site and have been here longer than many of the so-called long posters. I've seen it devolve from fantasy stories into fantasy characters invading all the other threads. If you like watching the above pattern, well good for you. But I just wish these fake creators would grow the hell up and use the fantasy threads and write stories there.

Concerned 16 Jun 2016, 16:08

Please excuse the typo adding an extra s below and autocorrect separating eyeware.

Concerned 16 Jun 2016, 16:05

I agree with Rafa. Most people would not want to post their pictures on here. Anonymity is one of the great things about this site. The visitors on this site have an appreciation for eye ware but most do not want this s interest to be made public.

As Rafa also stated, a picture could end up anywhere.

Puffin 16 Jun 2016, 11:11

I know we often seem to have outbreaks of nonsense here, but can we please stick to the topic of this thread: it's called "Vision" not "Accusations".

Soundmanpt 16 Jun 2016, 09:17


Try not to let this jack-ass get to you. I have been coming here for well over 10 years and I have gotten used to being accused of being many different people in here through the years. Of course you and I both know were not one in the same but not matter what we say this fool won't believe us anyway. Not too long ago most likely this same fool was accusing me of being Carrie. It's usually best just to ignore the comments made by these no names. Using the reasoning that if you don't post a picture that makes you a fake person shows how stupid this fool really is. In all the years I have been coming here i have never seen anyone post pictures of themselves in here. Very simply put everyone in here for the most part doesn't want to the world to know about there private lives including their feeling about wearing glasses. Just like you Maria you say that you have been a lurker for a long time but never posted any comments. There is no way to know how many others are out there lurking and as unlikely as it may seem if you were to post a picture of yourself wearing a pair of your used glasses someone you know or even work with might be a lurker in here and see your picture and i'm sure that isn't something you want. Your private love for wearing stronger glasses is a very private thing for you to enjoy without anyone you know finding out. One thing "no name" said I did actually find funny was that my poor grammar was much the same as yours which of course means we have to be one in the same. Anyway it seems like me you get an poor grade for your grammar too. Anyway as you very well know i'm not you and your not me and this jack-ass can think whatever he or she wants.

rafa 16 Jun 2016, 01:39


You have my total support. Anyone with some brains would understand why someone (a woman or a man) wouldn't like to post a photo of oneself here. You never know where your photo might end up. I don't even like posting images of myself in Facebook.

One of the beauties of this site is discretion. And RESPECT.

Besides, people are perfectly entitled to invent an identity here if they so wish. Why not if they feel more protected or if they realize some fantasy of theirs?

What I feel should be true and not fake is the stories and experiences and feelings we post here. Because a lot of people come here to find answers to questions and moral support.

glassesforeveryone 16 Jun 2016, 01:35

This is all a bit tedious. There may well be truth in the accusations, but who can prove either way?

All I know, is that I visit this site a lot less frequently than I once did.

 15 Jun 2016, 18:27

it's been on the truth on the internet for decades. no photos = false. and it's been proven over again and again and again and again. it's very odd how you would be upset about people thinking about you sexually when you continually post on a sexual fetish website about glasses. also, did you just find this website and ask a question. or have you found the website long ago and never asked questions. not sure. the story keeps going back and forth.

there's a lot of reason to question many of the "women" users here. many have turned out to be phonies, and specifically for the reasons you cite you won't do. it never makes any sense. tons of optical websites out there. only one sexually obsessed glasses fetish website. and you choose this one. even though you are concerned about being viewed sexually..

yeah. your arguments make sense. NOT. maybe you are legitimate, but you have done nothing beyond what all the proven phonies have done in the past. so you can understand why people feel this way, right?

 15 Jun 2016, 18:19

ms. false name. it's uncanny how similar your sentence and writing structure is to Soundmanpt. Are you sure you are not brothers and sisters separated at birth? the length. the knowledge of optics. the grammar style. the snakiness. it is all the same. exactly.

why would anyone think you are a phony? lol...

caroline 15 Jun 2016, 18:11

Hello Mr Likelenses,

thanks for the suggestion,( buy 10/10 on internet) I am getting new lenses tomorrow, 5 a side with add +1 for the reading bit, and see how I go. Walking round with 10 a side, in the clinic felt odd, although I could see perfectly, and it would lock be into marked double vision, and be chasing the tail faster.

Crystal Veil 15 Jun 2016, 16:32


the following may help your cousin. My life partner Nel was born and raised in a very thin populated, isolated farming community. The local school had 25 pupils (age 6 to 12) who were all in the same class room. Nobody in her immediate family needed glasses. She was a very active, outward girl. When her teacher discovered that she was shortsighted, her mother brought her to an eye doc for an eye test. It turned out that she needed glasses of -5.00 (both eyes). She was nine years of age at the time. She used her first glasses full time straightaway and without any problems. Her current prescription (at age 61) is minus twelve. If your cousin has any adaptation problems, it will be caused by the difference in strength between both lenses. But the difference is well within the limit for adaptation so I'd say her prospects are good.

sona 15 Jun 2016, 16:14

Will it be possible to cope with a very high prescription for the first time?

My 14 year old cousin lives in a very primitive third world country. Our family went back to visit for the first time in 10 years and my mother noticed that the cousin in question wasn't going to school or leaving the house much. We asked why that was and they told us that she is "blind". Since we live in a civilized country, we figured that all she probably needed was a pair of glasses. We were right.

We took her to a city to get her eyes tested and it turns out her glasses will have to be very strong. The prescription is -4.75 and -7.25 in the left eye and right eye respectively.

Everyone in my immediate family wears glasses and I have a -6.50 prescription so I know how terrible her vision is. How will she cope with going from nothing to such a strong rx? Will there be problems?

María 15 Jun 2016, 16:04

Well, mr nameless, I assure you I am real and I am here typing on my computer. Whether you believe me or not is another story. But calling me a phony without knowing anything about me isn't a good start.

You're right about one thing: I'm not going to post a photo of myself. Not that I care if you think that means that I'm lying. You're not the reason I'm not posting a photo, and your harsh provocation won't make me post it either. Sorry, you are not that important.

As I mentioned before while talking to Soundmanpt, I have been around this forum for a while, reading and trying to learn something about glasses and vision. I never posted until some weeks ago, when I had a question and was looking for an answer. So I never said that I had "just found this site". I'm familiar with the site, and therefore I know that this stuff is as related to vision and optics as much as it relates to fetish. I'm not calling anyone "creep" or "scary". I share this feeling about glasses, so that would make me a creep too, right? But the thing is... as knowing that aspect of the site, I don't want my image used that way.

You said that this is the same that putting myself on glasses on social networks and such. No, it is not. If I put a photo of myself in glasses in my facebook, I do it so my friends and close people can see it. If I post it here, I know that some people that get sexually aroused by that kind of things will see it. Do you see the difference? It is pretty clear to me.

As I have visited almost every thread on the site, I have seen how some people use that kind of photos. And I don't want my face in someone's flickr account or personal image folder. That's not what I like of this. I like wearing glasses that I don't need, that's it. It's a solo thing, I enjoy it and don't need anyone else to do it. I respect that others like seeing pictures of girls wearing glasses, but I am not going to be one of these girls. If that makes you see me as somebody faking a story, so be it. I don't care about what you think, and I don't have nothing to prove to you. I just wanted to clear this, and I am not going to talk about this again.

I just came here searching for an answer to a question I had, and Soundmanpt and a few others responded nicely to me. So we've had a little chat. I had never talked to anyone about this thing I like, and I felt glad to share my experiences with somebody. I don't think I have done anything to deserve being attacked for no reason. I have seen some of these anonymous comments around the forum, but I didn't expect to be the object of some of them xD.

Shit, I wrote a lot xD. Sorry Soundmanpt, I can't answer to your post now as it is late and I have to work early tomorrow. I promise I'll write tomorrow. I just wanted to comment about this "phony" stuff. Good night everyone.

 15 Jun 2016, 13:48

Can you please post some pics of you wearing these glasses, Maria?

Soundmanpt 15 Jun 2016, 10:16


I do believe that you are indeed addicted to glasses. Your collection already is quite large and it seems there is no end in sight. How nice of that girl that you bought the 3 pairs of glasses from to include the other 3 as well. Honestly aside from people in here, like yourself, I don't think there is a big market for used glasses. This would explain why they didn't sell much faster. It seems such a shame when you know this girl likely paid a lot of money for her glasses and once she can longer wear them they are nearly worthless, at least to most people. I can only assume this girl must have gotten lasik surgery and doesn't need glasses anymore. From the picture you provided they all seem to be in near perfect condition so she took very good care of her glasses. I'm not at all surprised that your able to wear them even thought they are pretty strong for your eyes. Nice that you were able to see well enough wearing them that you took several walks wearing a couple pairs of them. It's possible that after wearing them longer your eyes may adjust so your even able to read wearing them. But of course don't force it. I'm sure you probably never expected to be able to read with your -3.75 glasses when you got them? Nice that you even have 2 really nice pairs of prescription sunglasses to wear if you ever want to. One nice thing about having prescription sunglasses is that you can wear those anytime you want and even being seen by people you know they wouldn't know your sunglasses have strong prescription lenses in them. So it might be fun to wear a pair of them on a nice sunny afternoon in your own area. Maybe go to the local park or go to some outside shops. I completely understand that you much prefer wearing clear glasses because you want to be seen wearing glasses, just not by anyone that knows you. All the glasses she sent you are very expensive designer glasses. I always thought that Silhouette made really cute glasses and they were so light weight that I think the wearer hardly could even feel them. I'm sure you will enjoy wearing those glasses because they are sure to be very comfortable.

The glasses you bought last week that you just got in the mail that you said looks great on you look like nice glasses as well. Most likely the reason they feel too strong for you is most likely because of the astigmatisms they have in them. If they are only -4.00 that is only -.25 stronger than your -3.75 glasses that you are able to wear for hours. It won't hurt your eyes to try wearing them but I have a feeling after a short while you may start to develop a headache from them.

The picture showing the Hugo Conti glasses with the -3.75 lenses which so far is the glasses you have wore the most look really nice and very much in fashion. The Vogue glasses look great as well and I kind of thought it was just the angle the picture was taken before making the one lens appear to be stronger. And the Ray-Ban glasses are always a classic. But weren't these the 2 glasses that you got and were unable to wear because the PD was not compatible to your PD and they gave you headaches? Lastly in that picture is your own glasses in very nice Carrera frame. You know at least in the picture the Vogue and Ray-Ban glasses look very similar to your won glasses. Even the Hugo Conti glasses aren't far off. If you were to start wearing your glasses more often hen your out and about you could easily switch to one of the other of those glasses without anyone noticing a difference. Even 2 of the 6 you got from that girl are reasonably close in appearance. Remember no one pays any attention to the lenses of the glasses. Of course i'm not suggesting that you start wearing your glasses to work because i'm sure they would just get in the way. But after work in the evenings and weekends when your out shopping. At thee rate your glasses by October / November your probably going to have over 100 pairs of glasses. Oh and I almost forgot about the Zenni glasses you bought on line. What is interesting about those glasses is the style is completely different than nearly all of the used glasses you have been buying. I'm guessing that the 2 semi-rimless glasses are the -3.50 and -1.75 and the rimless glasses are the plus glasses +1.25 and +2.50. I agree with you, I like the looks of minus glasses as well. So before you started buying used glasses were you wearing either of the minus glasses you got from Zenni? Based on how well your able to see with -3.75 glasses those -1.75 glasses had be very comfortable to wear? They are only about -1.00 stronger than what you actually wear.

 15 Jun 2016, 09:34

that makes no sense whatsoever, NONA 2. what a bizarre sense of logic you have little one.

women showing pictures of themselves wearing the glasses that they claim to own would prove they are not phonies. what's to be afraid of? women have youtube videos all the time showing off new glasses, or talking about them. they even post on instagram, Facebook,twitter, and other sites doing the same thing.

but zero "women" and "men" here are willing to do that. why? because obviously they are phony people and can't fake that part. don't say it's because people here are creeps or scary because many of the "women" posting a lot say they "just found this site" and comments like that. so they would have no idea and should be willing to post a photo or two, or at least link to their own FB or instagram showing their glasses.

no name #2 15 Jun 2016, 04:16

no name

Your a great one to call someone a phony when you don't even use a name. It's people like that are the reason no one will ever post pictures of themselves in here. You're entitled to your opinion but it isn't right to accuse some of being fake without proof. So only fair that I simply call you a "jerk"

Likelenses 14 Jun 2016, 21:38


Since glasses are so inexpensive online,why not get a pair with 10 a side,to wear on occasion.

 14 Jun 2016, 18:48

What brings all of these phonies out from under the rocks?

 14 Jun 2016, 18:20

hahaha. can anyone guess what maria's answer will be? i can. and of course there is a reason. we all know she is not real.

 14 Jun 2016, 16:13

i think we'd all love to see you wearing some of the pairs! can you post some pics, maria?

María 14 Jun 2016, 15:19


I actually received my package last thursday, and have been enjoying the glasses a bit since then. They are a bit strong for me, and obviously I can't read while wearing them, but I can manage around the house just fine, and had a couple of walks wearing two of the glasses. When I came across someone I took them off, because I don't want someone that knows me seeing me with strong glasses. Maybe it is stupid, but I can't help it haha.

Anyways, I'm happy with the glasses. And I had a big surprise when I opened the package! There was a letter from the girl that sold me them, saying that she had been listing the glasses for over a year since she had surgery, and nobody even asked for them. So, as she was thinking that she probably wouldn't be able to sell the other three glasses... she gave them to me as a gift! It is insane, as the glasses are designer frames and have lenses with extras as antireflective coating and such. See:

I mean... now I have six -4.5 glasses, including two prescription sunglasses, and the frames are, one from Gucci, two from Ralph Lauren, one Silhouette, and two Vittorio Luccino. I mean, it is insane! These glasses sure costed lots of money, and I have bought them for 15 euros. I am really excited about owning them now. My favourites are the two located at the bottom of the photo. And I have yet to take a walk with the prescription sunglasses, but I like much better wearing clear ones.

Also, I bought another pair last week, and it came in the mail today. Here it is:

I look great in them! Haha. But they are too strong for me. The girl that sold these said that they only had -4 prescription, but I believe they also have a fair share of astigmatism prescription. Anyways, I like them and I'm sure I'll give them some use.

I'm loving the glasses I bought last week, and they are becoming my favourites along with my -3.75 ones. I took a photo of them too.

There you can see, from top to bottom, my -3.75 Hugo Conti glasses, my -3 Vogues, my -2.50 RayBans, and my real glasses, a Carrera frame with -0.5 and -0.75 lenses.

The Vogue glasses are awesome! I love how they fit my face. A few days ago, you said that one lens looked stronger than the other, but as you said it probably was the angle the glasses had while sitting on my leg. I'm sure both lenses have the same prescription, as my eyes are very comfortable while wearing them.

So, as I have show the majority of my glasses collection, I guess I should complete it xD. I bought a pair of glasses on Zenni to "experiment" about two years ago, and since then I bought a few more. Here they are:

From top to bottom, their prescriptions are, both eyes the same: -3.50, -1.75, +1.25, +2.50.

For a while, I liked to go to places like the supermarket, bank, post office and such, and wear plus glasses as if I needed them to read. I loved that, it was fun and exciting, but I couldn't see very much haha, specially with the stronger ones. I wear them sometimes as of today, but I feel much more comfortable with minus glasses, and I believe they make me look better than the plus ones.

I am becoming addicted to these used glasses, and I bought two more pairs today: A pair of -2.75 plastic glasses, in blue, similar shape to the ones I received today, and a pair of vintage frames, similar to Ray-Ban Clubmasters, with a -3.25 prescription. Can't wait for them to arrive!

As for my volume of work, normally it doesn't decrease until October / November so... I thing you'll have to wait to hear about one of my glasses trips haha. At least I'll have a lot of glasses to choose by then haha.

Caroline 14 Jun 2016, 14:38

Seen yesterday at the clinic, saw an older man, Fredrick, very nice and patient,he explained that all seemed well, retested me found, 22 esophoria, and its a controversial issue, how much to correct. Thinks I may be on the presbyopic slide too.

Younger folk, under 40, more inclined to use exercises, till images split easily, then maybe refer for surgery.

Over 50, give prism, till patient comfortable, usually about half ( that's 6 each side for me). I am inbetween

Tried trial lenses with 6 a side, and I could not tell the difference from 4, then he gave me 10 a side, and things seemed fine, nice close vision, and distance seemed comfy too. Problem is, those lenses get heavy with all the prism,so he suggested, as wear specs constantly, add +1 for close go up to 5 a side, and review in a month. Will take till end of week to get the glasses made up. Meanwhile keep on with the current pair, come in Friday for a lens change, all no charge.Thanks folks. .

Likelenses 12 Jun 2016, 21:57

Yesterday Cheryl was riding an emotional roller coaster because of her new prescription with astigmatism correction.

To cheer her up we went to Zenni,and I told her to pick out frames for progressives,and also for Rx sunglasses,that I will purchase for her.

She chose two pair of this frame,and one will have her progressive RX,and the second her Rx sunnies.

Then when she was in the kitchen,I ordered a surprise pair for her with a -.50 overcorrection,in this frame, for our fun glasses fitted with CR-39 lenses.

Soundmanpt 12 Jun 2016, 10:47


I assume you may still be waiting for the 3 pairs of glasses that you bought from the young girl that had surgery and was selling 6 pairs of her old glasses. I'm a bit surprised with your interest in glasses that you didn't buy all 6 pairs. But it could be they weren't something you thought would look nice to wear. You didn't say but I wonder if she was getting lasik surgery which would explain why she wouldn't be needing her glasses anymore. Can't wait to see what these glasses look like Please don't forget to send a picture of them. Also I will be interested in how well your able to see with them. I'm sure you bought with the hope of being able to wear them. I don't think you bought them to display on a shelf somewhere. I'm sure you were very surprised that when you got your -3.75 glasses you were able to see so wearing them even for long hours. I hate to even ask this but when does your busy season finally come around so you can think about planning that trip to the city again?

Likelenses 11 Jun 2016, 22:48

Cheryl did have her eyes examined on Saturday,and got an increase close to what I had come up with.

Her new Rx is: Rt. -10.50 -1.00 cyl @ 165

Lt. -10.50 -1.25 cyl @ 170

Add + 3.00

She for the last few months has worn her -.75 overcorrection glasses pretty much exclusively,because she said her regular Rx seemed to weak.

I told her it would be best to wear her actual Rx to the exam,as the doctor would wonder why she was wearing something stronger than he prescribed.

He was a little surprised at how much change had occurred in a year,and a half,but he attributed it to her waiting six months longer than she should have.

Her right eye went up -1.00,and an astigmatism of -1.00 cyl. that never existed before.

Her left eye went up-1.25,and her existing astigmatism in that eye went up-.75cyl.

Her add went up +1.00

She ask him why, this late in life is astigmatism showing up.Previously she had none,and at her exam a year, and a half ago the Rt eye had no astigmatism,and now has -1.00,and the left eye had -.50 for the first time,and now it has gone to -1.25.

He told her that her astigmatism is lenticular,and is the result of her lense muscles pulling unevenly,because of her presbyopia.She got her first bifocals at her last exam.

He told her that with the new astigmatism correction,that the glasses may take a bit of getting used to.

I helped her to pick out some frames,and we ordered a gold rimless drill mount, similar to her old one. Since her insurance is not very good she had to get CR-39 lined bifocals,or pay extra. We went with the CR-39,and I told her that I would buy her some online progressives with high index lenses.

Her new glasses will be ready next Thursday.

She has a hang up over eye exams,as when she can not read the eye chart,she feels inadequate,and needing stronger lenses bother her.It is weird she likes wearing strong glasses,but does not like being helpless without glasses.This goes way back to her youth when a boy that she really cared for would not let her wear glasses when she was with him.

Soundmanpt 10 Jun 2016, 08:33


Even though your still somewhat reluctant about wearing your glasses, you do seem like your at least testing the waters a bit. Doing comparisons with and without your glasses is fine to do. Other than making sure you always wear your glasses when driving, which I think you might be getting better at, it is up to you when you choose to wear your glasses. It sounds like your able do your own daily "eye test" on your way to your office simply by looking down the hall when you get off the elevator. If your wearing your glasses you can easily read the signs on the door at the end of the hall, but if you don't have your glasses on you can't read the signs until your much closer to them. Since your likely coming from your car I hope everyday when you exit the elevator your able to read the signs on that door because that would mean that you wore your glasses driving to work and still had them on when you got off the elevator. I think what your finding out is that your glasses do really make a difference in how well you see now. Before when you only wore your -.50 for driving at night you hardly ever had your glasses on and you were fine without them. but now you need your glasses more often. No your eyesight isn't so bad that you have to wear your glasses full time but you do need them enough that it maybe more convenient to keep your glasses on all the time. Otherwise your likely going to be doing a lot of putting them on an taking them off constantly which can be a pain much worse than simply wearing them. All the off and on stuff is really not good for the glasses because that usually causes them to get stretched out and screws get loose and then they don't fit right. Wearing your glasses all the time or hardly ever wearing them isn't going to cause your eyes to get any worse.

Sally 10 Jun 2016, 06:59

Soundmanpt you are right that I messed up on my #2. I can see the monitor clearly with my left eye, but at about 24 inches my left eye (-1.00) already blurs. I also found I can do my own "eye test" daily because my office is at the end of a hallway and there are signs on the door. NOW I notice I can't read the signs until I am fairly close, unless of course I wear the glasses in which case I can read clearly and easily once I step off the elevator.

Likelenses 10 Jun 2016, 01:30

Cheryl's annual eye exam was due last Dec.,but she keeps putting it off.

I have noticed lately that she is almost always wearing her -.75 overcorrection pair,and even with them squints quite a bit for both near and far.

I have been telling her she needs a new prescription,but she still has some slight hang ups that go back to her youth,about needing stronger glasses.

Last weekend we went to a movie,and we usually sit somewhere in the center.

When the movie started, she ask if we could move several rows forward,as she could not see clearly.

Today after she finished work,I had her come over to my place.

I have a Snellen chart,and an optometrist trial lense set.

She agreed to let me do a refraction.

I first set up the trial frame with -3 D less than her last years Rx As I upped the minus lenses,her distance vision improved.When I reached Rt. eye -10.25 - 1.00 @ 156 cyl.,and Lt eye -10.0 - 1.00 @ 178 cyl.she reported seeing the 20/20 line clearly.For her near vision an add of + 3.00 seemed to allow her to read 20/20 near.

Next I put a huge minus overcorrection in the trial frame,and worked the Rx downward.

This test resulted in a bigger minus Rx to see 20/20 distance.

It was Rt. eye -10.75 -1.00 @ 156 cyl.,and Lt. eye -10.75 -1.00 @ 178 cyl. Add + 3.50

She did not know the numbers,and I then had her watch TV from across the room,with each Rx. She said that the last Rx was most comfortable.She watched TV for about an hour,with the stronger RX,and then put on her regular Rx glasses,at which point she said everything was very blurred.I then had her try my -10.5 both eyes with no cyl.and the best she could see was the 20/70 line.

She said that I gave her eyes," A REAL WORKOUT ",and now agrees that she does need new glasses.She said that she will make an appointment for an exam,on Saturday,if one is available.

It will be interesting to see how close I came to the Rx that she will receive.

It looks like her biggest problem is the -1.00 astigmatism,in her right eye that had none before,and an increase in the cyl. of the left eye,by-.50

Soundmanpt 09 Jun 2016, 09:14


Since you made your comments in 2 parts i guess it best if I answer in 2 parts as well. #1 - Your glasses are for seeing at a distance in your case is just several feet away before things begin to get blurry for you. But your close eyesight is still very good and you really don't need your glasses in order to read a book. Now if your making an attempt to wear your glasses full time you don't need to remove your glasses every time your checking your phone for messages. You should be able to see your phone with your glasses on, but if your sitting down for the evening and planning on reading a good book then it maybe more comfortable to your eyes to take your glasses off. Or you can keep them on and your eyes will soon adjust so you can leave your glasses on without any problem.

#2 What your saying here doesn't seem right? If you cover your right eye then all your able to see with is your left eye. So which eye seems like it is perfect looking at your monitor? I get it that one eye isn't exactly right. Based on wha your saying it seems like that eye needs a little more correction than the other eye. Your right if your glasses are the right prescription then you should be able to block your left eye and see your monitor perfect and then block your right eye and be able to see your monitor perfect with your left eye. I suggest now that you have been wearing your glasses a good bit which si another reason why wearing your glasses full time for at least 10 days to 2 weeks is sucha good idea so if there is something wrong with your glasses you find it out soon enough to get it taken care of at no charge to you. If you go back now and tell them that you have been wearing your glasses nearly full time and describe what your seeing at your computer they should do a re-exam. and most likely decide that you need a little stronger lens for your worse eye. By the way your clearly making an effort to wear your glasses more if not full time.

Sally 09 Jun 2016, 07:07

Two new observations: 1: When I wear my glasses I can't read. 2: Working at my computer, with a monitor about 24" away, I can see it just fine, but if I cover my right (worse) eye, the print appears slightly farther away and is not as clear as with my left eye which is fine.

Soundmanpt 08 Jun 2016, 08:50


Your really struggling with deciding when to wear your glasses and when not to. I'm surprised that your still testing your eyes when you do wear your glasses part way down your nose so your able to see over them. You have determined that you really can't read road signs and car plates without your glasses when you drive but yet for some days you still are are driving without your glasses. Base on that I assume that you at least are making more of an effort to wear your glasses day or night when you drive now. So I assume that the days your driving without your glasses is because you forgot them at home or something? Glasses are cheap if you go on line you can buy a nice pair for around $18.00 and that would even include AR coating (anti-reflective) and while your doing that you could even get a nice pair of prescription sunglasses. That way you could keep one pair of regular glasses and your sunglasses in the car so your never without them when driving. They sell for the same price by the way. Glasses can be addictive as your finding out. But that's only because your eyes enjoy the added help your glasses provide. The fact that your reluctant to wear your glasses is perfectly fine if your able to tolerate some blur. So I by no means am telling you that you need to start wearing your glasses full time, but you really do need to stop driving without your glasses. Your eyesight is no longer good enough to pass the DMV vision test to drive and if you ever have renew your driver's license your sure to fail the vision test. And even though it isn't on your license now your still supposed to be wearing glasses to drive. If you don't believe me simply call where you got your eye exam at and ask them. They will take one look at your chart and tell you that you do need to be wearing glasses whenever your driving.

Sally 08 Jun 2016, 06:13


I have been wearing my new glasses bunch, often looking over them to check my vision with and without. For sure the right eye seems to be getting weaker as much of what I see through it is a blur that really jumps in to focus when I look through them. The left eye is not so bad. In the morning I think I see distance worse through the left lens. I still sometimes drive without them during the day. Last night went to bed with the tv on, watching without the glasses, and forgot I wasn't wearing them but put on the guide and saw I couldn't read the screen! When driving for sure, I am much more aware now of how I can't read signs or plates. The glasses seem to be a bit addictive, as the more I wear them the more I am aware of the blur without them. Still reluctant to just leave them on full time.

Neil 08 Jun 2016, 01:26

Hi all,

It's been a while since my last post. I wondered whether you'd had any more thoughts on the subject of prism Cactus Jack?

I've stuck with my current prescription / glasses for the time being.

Any advice appreciated so that I can get a second opinion.

Many thanks


Soundmanpt 07 Jun 2016, 09:45


Your really starting to get a nice collection of used glasses. Kind of a nice way to get glasses and i'm sure at a fraction of what even new glasses on line sell for and you can even get the added benefit of them being designer frames I assume? I guess the only issue as far as you being able to wear them is knowing that they don't have astigmatism correction and that the PD is similar to yours. As long as the glasses only have distance correction you already know that your eyes are more than capable of seeing perfectly with quite strong glasses for long hours. Your newest find appear to be in very good condition and a classy style. They look like they would be very comfortable to wear. Being slightly weaker than your -3.75 glasses you shouldn't have any problem wearing them for an all day trip when you finally get that chance. I would suggest that you might want to bring your -3.75 glasses along when you get that get away day just in case the -3.00 glasses start to give you headache after you wear them a while. Something I noticed in the picture you provided of your glasses. It could be just the angle of how the glasses were sitting but if you look through the lenses at the denim in the near background the cut-in ( cut-in is the minification you see through lenses. In this case notice how the denim jumps inward looking through the lenses) The left lenses appears to be much stronger than the right lens. Again it could be the way the glasses are sitting on the denim. But if you have wore them even fro a short time i'm sure you would have been able to notice if there was much difference in the lenses. And now your waiting for 3 more pairs of glasses to arrive and these were a real bargain for you. They are of course a little stronger than your -3.75 glasses, but only by -.75 more. What's interesting is that the girl that wore the -3.75 glasses if she was young enough that her eyes were still changing which we would almost assume was happening or she would still be wearing those -3.75 glasses. So if she got an increase in her prescription it most likely would have been to either -4.25 or -4.50. So they are sue to feel a little bit stronger than your -3.75 glasses when you first try them on. But then you need to wear your -3.75 glasses for a little while then switch to the -4.50 glasses and they should feel more comfortable doing that. Of course that is provided they don't have astigmatism correction and the PD isn't far off. If you think about it I would love to see what your other glasses look like that you bought as well as the ones that's in shipping now. I'm sure it must be killing you not to able to get away for an all day trip when you can wear some of theses glasses all day. When you do get your chance do you plan on just wearing one pair all day or switching every couple hours to different pair? If you do that you probably need to start off wearing the -3.00 glasses and then go to your -3.75 glasses and then the -4.50 glasses. You really need to take a nice vacation so you have at least a week to play with all your glasses. That way you could wear a different pair each day. Keep in touch.

María 07 Jun 2016, 06:43


Just today, I went to the post office to pick up a pair of -3 used glasses. I tried them for some minutes, and I'm loving my vision with them and how they look in my face, and I truly am looking forward to wear them in a day trip. But that will have to wait for now... as you well remembered, this is hard work season in gardening and landscaping, where I work.

These are the glasses.

I also bought several glasses from a girl that had surgery, so she was selling 6 of her pairs dirt cheap. I mean, I paid 15€ for 3 pairs of glasses, such a bargain! They are -4.5 glasses, and I sure expect them to be too strong for me, but I'm eager to try them on. I'll post a photo of the glasses when I receive them too :)

Soundmanpt 04 Jun 2016, 10:21


It has been several week since you last posted any comments. When you last posted you said that working in lawncare your into your busy season so sadly taking any distant trips so you can wear your glasses without any fear of being seen by anyone you know was on hold. So I assume for now your still only able to wear your glasses in the evenings after work for a few hours before you go to bed? But you must be looking forward to when you can get away and wear your glasses for a full day again? I hope that day will come soon for you. Have you also been looking trying to buy more glasses from on line flea markets again? I know you said that you have also bought new glasses on line but I get the idea you prefer wearing glasses that someone else wore so your eyes are seeing through the same lenses as they were seeing through.

Soundmanpt 29 May 2016, 09:46


So how are you doing with your new glasses? Have you been trying to wear them just to test how much you really need? Remember your glasses are only -1.00 so they aren't even close to being considered as strong. So I am not suggesting that you need to wear your glasses full time, but your eyes do need them a little more now than when you were only wearing -.50 for driving at night. Now you would not be able to pass the drivers test without your glasses so that means at the very least you now need to always put your glasses on if your driving anywhere. But even if you were to decide to wear your glasses full time your still not going to be dependent on your glasses to see things. You will still be able to function fine without your glasses but you would probably get used to being able to see everything perfect with your glasses so you may not lie the blur of not having your glasses on, but you could get by.

Cactus Jack 28 May 2016, 20:37


You are right. It was belladonna that was used by women to dilate their eyes. Their lovers might have found them more beautiful, but I'll bet they could not see their lovers very clearly, up close. I am not sure that was very important in the overall scheme of things.

Atropine is one of the substances found in the Atropa Belladonna (Deadly Nightshade) plant. Atropine in very tiny quantities has medical uses, but apparently it does not take very much pure atropine, taken internally, to be deadly for a human. The number I saw in one of the references was 1/10 of a grain. In this case a "grain" is an ancient unit of measure based on a grain of Barley. It is now defined as approximately 64/1000 of a gram. 6.4/1000 of a gram isn't much. Curiously, many animals can eat the Deadly Nightshade plant without apparent ill effect. However, according to some of the articles Atropine will dilate the eyes, even if taken internally. Not being able to focus close to read, may not be problematic for many animals.


astigmaphile 28 May 2016, 16:05

Cactus Jack,

I looked up atropa belladonna on wikipedia and it said there was a time in history when women used atropine to dilate their eyes as their lovers thought that the enlarged pupils made them look more beautiful. Bella donna means beautiful woman in Italian.

Soundmanpt 28 May 2016, 09:10


If "KL" is correct that your trying to determine if you may have some latent hyperopia then he/she is has given you the best way for you to find out. You seem to already understand that even if you do have some latent hyperopia hiding when you first start wearing your OTC readers. Your distance vision is sure to be blurry for a while and it all depends on your eyes as to how long before the blur slowly goes away, but it could be weeks. Now as long as you don't get really strong glasses the blur should still be tolerable, just annoying. But much like those trying to induce myopia you need to wear your glasses full time everyday every minute. After enough weeks with or without any change you will know if you have latent hyperopia or not. And just as "KL" said it doesn't hurt anything to try and find out. I too hope you get the results your after.

KL 27 May 2016, 16:56


Sounds to me like you would like to need plus lenses and are wondering if you can reveal any latent hyperopia you might have by wearing plus lenses even though your current prescription is just for astigmatism.

I'd say just go for it. If you do have any latent hyperopia, then the distance blur will gradually go away as you stop compensating by accommodating the extra plus. If you don't, then things in the distance will stay blurry. I don't know how long it'll take to find out, but I'm guessing in the range of some weeks. You've got nothing to lose by trying. Hope you get the result you want!

Cactus Jack 26 May 2016, 21:45


The use of dilating agents by Optometrists and Opticians varies with country and state or province. I live in Texas and for many years only MDs could use dilating agents. Believe it or not, the effectiveness of dilating agents varies with eye color. I don't remember exactly, but I believe Blue eyes are the easiest to dilate and Brown are the hardest.

Most ECPs tend to like to use agents that act quickly (about 20 minutes) and wear off quickly (several hours). I unhesitant that Atropine is one of the strongest dilating agents. Some countries use Atropine for Military Conscription eye exams to make sure the Conscript is not faking vision problems to get exemption from service. Atropine can take several days to wear off completely. Curiously, many female stage performers used to use Atropine because they felt that wide open pupils made them more attractive.

Frankly, I think, unless a person has very significant Latent Hyperopia or Pseudo Myopia, a dilated eye exam or even a technique used my most ECPs would reveal the presence of either Latent Hyperopia or Pseudo Myopia. The full extent might not be revealed, but there would be enough indication to pursue the problem over time.

The technique is to start the exam with too much plus or too little minus Sphere and gradually decrease the plus or increase the minus until the 20/20 line is easy to read. Sometimes, the patient will be shown the 20/15 line with 0.25 less plus or more minus which provides sharper vision. 20/20 is "typical" vision for most people, but 20/15 is actually closer to the best vision.

The real limitation on Visual Acuity is the amount pf data the eye can resolve and deliver to the Visual Cortex. The Retina is actually part of the brain. It has approximately 120 million Rods and Cones. Some are sensitive to light intensity, but not color and others are sensitive to colors. There are only about 1 million nerve fibers from each eye to the Visual Cortex so the Retina has to do some image processing to compress the information from the Rods and Cones and deliver it to the Optic Nerve Fibers. The Optic Nerve Fibers deliver the composite signal to the Visual Cortex where the brain constructs the image you see.

Depending on where you live, you amy have to see an Ophthalmologist to get a dilated exam. Dilated exams are really no big deal, other than the time ti takes for the agent to wear off. It does not hurt to get a dilated exam to establish a base line for the health of your eyes (Retinas) and also general health. High Blood Pressure, Diabetes, and Glaucoma are often discovered during an eye exam when there are no other clues to these silent killers.

I am 78 and have Type 2 Diabetes. I get a dilated Retinal exam and/or a Visual Fields Check every 6 months. So far, no Diabetic eye damage.

May I ask what Engineering field and where you live?

Here is a link to a paper you might find interesting.


Likelenses 26 May 2016, 21:22


I also am a bit confused as to what you wish to accomplish.

If you already have pseudo myopia,why not wear minus lenses which should need to become stronger over time if you wear them full time.

Minus lenses in my opinion are so much more attractive than plus lenses.

mama 26 May 2016, 19:35

cactus jack,

engineering. one other quick thought: can you get optometrists to give out stronger dilation drops before an exam to make sure the ciliary muscles are fully relaxed? or would years and years of pseudomyopia still possibly be a factor?

Cactus Jack 26 May 2016, 12:53


Pseudo Myopia and Latent Hyperopia are exactly the same phenomena. It just depends on which side of 0.00 you are on. Recall that true Myopia and Hyperopia are caused by a mismatch between the total PLUS power of the eye's lens system and the distance from the Crystalline Lens to the Retina (length of the eyeball). The distances involved in refractive errors are quite small, about 0.3 mm per diopter. If the eyeball is too long, so that rays of light from a distant object in front of the Retina, you are Myopic and you need a MINUS lens to move the image back to the Retina. If the eyeball is too short (didn't grow enough), the distant image will focus behind the Retina and you need a PLUS lens to move the focus up to the plane of the Retina.

The culprit in the case of both Pseudo Myopia and Latent Hyperopia are the Ciliary Muscles. If you were required to hold your arm elevated in a certain position for an extended period, months or years, it would probably be very difficult for you to lower your arm when you were finally able. If you use your Ciliary Muscles to correct Hyperopia internally or compensate for wearing over corrected MINUS glasses for many years, your Ciliary Muscles could not relax very quickly when you either got PLUS glasses or lower prescription MINUS glasses.

If a person has mild Hyperopia and wears MINUS glasses long enough, they can create Pseudo Myopia. Optically, there is no difference between True Myopia and Pseudo Myopia. Both require MINUS lenses for correction. Because your Crystalline Lenses cannot have lower PLUS power than their fully relaxed state, you cannot create Hyperopia using your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses. If you have Latent Hyperopia because you have been correcting your Hyperopia internally, for years, you can gradually move that internal correction to external plus lenses but it takes time.

All this can be very confusing, particularly Hyperopia, Latent Hyperopia, and Presbyopia. One thing that makes it confusing is that Glasses or Contact Lenses neutralize or cancel out refractive errors with the opposite sign of the actual error.

May I ask your major at University?


Mama 26 May 2016, 10:53

I went back and tried to figure out what part was so confusing. I think you were just confused by my initial wording. i meant by reversing the effects of pseudo myopia, any potential latent hyperopia could become present. say if i started to wear a +1 bifocal or otc (assuming the latent hyperopia would not be more than likely not be more than that), about how long would it take with constant wear for the effects of pseudo myopia to reverse.

Cactus Jack 26 May 2016, 10:50

Unnamed poster,

You CAN cause the symptoms of Presbyopia by de-conditioning the Ciliary Muscles. Presbyopia is caused by the gradual stiffening of the Crystalline Lenses as you get older. Two separate, but loosely related events. In either situation, the Ciliary Muscles are not strong enough to squeeze the Crystalline Lens to increase its already considerable PLUS power. It varies with the individual, but typical relaxed PLUS power of the Crystalline Lens is about +15.

The thing to remember is that Axial or True Myopia and Hyperopia are both caused by a mismatch between the Total PLUS power of the eye's lens system and the distance from the Crystalline Lens to the Retina. Pseudo Myopia, Latent Hyperopia, and Presbyopia are all related to the Ciliary Muscle and/or the Crystalline Lens.

The easiest way for a person with low to moderate Myopia to de-condition their Ciliary Muscles is to simply not wear vision correction. A person who needs no Sphere correction or has Hyperopia can de-condition their Ciliary Muscles by wearing PLUS sphere correction. However, wearing PLUS glasses for distance will have the same effect as having uncorrected Myopia, which WILL NOT clear up because it is impossible for the eyeball to grow smaller or shorter. It is NOT possible for the Ciliary Muscles to STRETCH the Crystalline Lenses to REDUCE their power below their fully relaxed state. The Ciliary Muscles can ONLY SQUEEZE the Crystalline Lenses to INCREASE their PLUS power.

The ONLY exception to the above is when a person has Latent or Hidden Hyperopia. Hyperopia is the ONLY eye condition that you can correct internally by using your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses. Hyperopia generally means that the distance from your Crystalline Len to your Retina is too short for the total PLUS power of your eye's lens system. That causes distant images to focus behind the Retina. To move the focus point up to the plane of the Retina, requires additional PLUS. That PLUS can sometimes be supplied, internally, by your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses, using some of the resources of your Auto-Focus system. If you correct your Hyperopia internally, long enough, your Ciliary Muscles will become used to squeezing your Crystalline Lenses and will have difficulty relaxing if the Hyperopia is corrected externally. That is is called Latent Hyperopia. If a person has had Latent Hyperopia long enough, it can take weeks or months for the Ciliary Muscles to relax. That is why a person with Latent Hyperopia will experience blurry distance vision when they first get PLUS glasses or contacts. As their Ciliary Muscles relax, their distance vision will gradually clear up, but their Ciliary Muscles cannot relax beyond fully relaxed. During this relaxation process, several prescription changes may be necessary.

Hope this helps


Mama 26 May 2016, 10:41

am I wrong in thinking that my ciliary muscles would weaken without use in time? The extra plus would in theory make it so that my eyes would never need to focus on close objects correct? And with the relaxation of the muscles that focus, wouldn't latent hyperopia show itself if it were indeed present? My father became farsighted in his twenties and i've just been released into the wild after years of studies in university, so I guess i'm not seeing were the confusion lies; its not like its completely unheard of. I mean pseudo myopia is a thing too right?

Mama 26 May 2016, 10:23

Soundmanpt, you were correct, cactus was wrong

Soundmanpt 26 May 2016, 07:55

Not sure where to post this but an interesting article in "Yahoo" today. It says that lasik is down considerably. In 2007 there was 1.5 million surgeries done and in 2015 that number has dropped to 604,000. It also showed a very attractive young lady wearing glasses and said a large part is due to glasses being more acceptable these days. So if it seems like more young ladies wearing glasses now I guess this only proves it.

 26 May 2016, 07:14

Question for Cactus wrote many times that you can't induce hyperopia, but if someone wants to wear glasses can't they "cause" presbyopia" by wearing + glasses and deconditioning their focusing muscle? Then it seems that if one just continues to wear them all the time till distance vision clear up, they can wear all the time I thought.

Soundmanpt 26 May 2016, 06:42


I'm confused as well as to exactly what your trying to do? You have no SPH in your new prescription and the only issue you have with your vision is that you do have astigmatisms in both eyes and it is enough that without your contacts or glasses your vision is slightly blurry at all distances. At first I just thought that maybe you felt as if even with your contacts on that you still needed some additional help with seeing small print, but you have never said anything regarding that. It is impossible to tell you how long it might take for your eyes to adjust to the OTC readers to the point where you will be able see good at all distances with them over the top of your contacts. But even if your eyes do adjust that doesn't mean that your eye muscles have been weakened at all. Like Cactus Jack has said there doesn't seem to be any case where anyone was ever able to induce any hyperopia or farsightedness. Now at 24 there is still a small chance if your only wanting to try and create a bigger need to wear glasses that you might be able to induce a little bit of myopia by wearing minus glasses over your contacts. You can buy minus glasses for about the same price as you would pay for a decent pair of OTC readers by going on line to Zenni. ( I would suggest starting out with something like -1.00 glasses. Then once your eyes seem good with those glasses if you want you can order another pair with slightly stronger lenses of maybe -1.50 or -1.75. Is it your intent to start wearing glasses and currently you feel like your prescription is too weak to wear glasses for? But one thing for sure is you really need to tell us what your trying to do so we can try and help you.

Cactus Jack 26 May 2016, 02:47


I am not 100% sure what you want to accomplish. The only apparent correction you need right now is for some Astigmatism. It is sometimes possible to Induce Myopia by wearing glasses or contacts with more MINUS than you need, but it is physiologically impossible to Induce Hyperopia or Farsightedness.

You could wear some glasses with +Sphere, but all that would do is have the optical effect of Myopia or Nearsightedness. Here is why.

There are 4 PLUS lenses in the eye's lens system. From front to back, they are the Cornea, Aqueous Humor, Crystalline Lens, and Vitreous Humor. Most of the time we ignore the Humors, but they do contribute some of the PLUS. The Cornea is Fixed Focus transparent protein. The Aqueous Humor is a watery liquid whose refractive power can vary some with blood chemistry. The Crystalline Lens is Variable Focus transparent protein, it has some tiny muscles around it, called Ciliary Muscles. The Ciliary Muscles can squeeze the Crystalline Lens and increase its PLUS power, but they have NO ABILITY to reduce its PLUS power below being fully relaxed. The Vitreous Humor is a very thick transparent liquid between the Crystalline Lens and the Retina. Like the Aqueous Humor, its refractive power can vary some with blood chemistry.

The total PLUS power of the 4 lenses, in their fully relaxed state for FAR distance, is about +59 diopters. +59 diopters is the PLUS power required to focus light rays from a distant source on the Retina, which is about 17 mm behind the back of the Crystalline Lens in a typical eye that does not have any Sphere refractive error.

The law of optical physics that relates Lens Power to Focus Distance was developed by Sir Isaac Newton, of Gravity fame around 1700. It states that:

Lens Power in Diopters = 1 meter or 100 cm or 1000 mm / Focal Distance or

Focal Distance = 1 meter or 100 cm or 1000 mm / Lens Power in Diopters

To focus closer than FAR (which is considered to be 6 meters amor 20 feet for practical purposes) you have to have some additional PLUS power in the eye's lens system. It can come from the Crystalline Lens being squeezed by the Ciliary Muscles, Glasses, or Contact Lenses. The amount of extra PLUS needed is really not a lot compared to the total PLUS power of the lens system. It is calculated by the formulas above. For example, to focus at a typical reading distance of 40 cm or 16 inches requires an additional +2.50 diopters. At 24, your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses can easily provide it. You could wear reading glasses or bifocals if you wanted to. The glasses would to the focusing work and make text appear a bit larger and blacker, but the primary thing they would do is make it unnecessary for your Ciliary Muscles to do any work. That would ultimately make them loose their conditioning and the ability to adjust the power of your Crystalline Lenses (Accommodation).

Of course, Presbyopia, which is the gradual stiffening of the Crystalline Len over time, will ultimately mandate some external close focusing help. Presbyopia actually starts in childhood, but usually does not become a nuisance until late 30s or early 40s for most people, but it can happen at any age. These days, even teen agers are experiencing close focusing problems reading the tiny text on Smartphones. The solution is sometimes bifocals or progressives.

The reason you can wear more MINUS than you need is that your Auto-Focus system can use your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses to add compensating PLUS. If you wear more PLUS than you need, it will enable your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses to relax, but they cannot go beyond "fully relaxed"

That was pretty long winded, but I hope it helped you understand how this stuff works. If you would like PLUS sphere in your glasses, it is easily done (within reason) by doing GOC.

We are not judgmental here and we typically don't question your desires, unless it is difficult or risky. Even then, we just offer our best advice.


Mama 25 May 2016, 18:04

Okay soundmanpt and cactus jack. I guess my next question would be how long would it take for my eye muscles to get used to that extra plus prescription? Like I understand that once my eyes are "used" to it my ciliary muscles will weaken a great deal as well, as part of the same power tool reference you keep on using, so how long would it take for that to take effect? I know this requires a really general answer so do your best.

antonio 25 May 2016, 11:57

Sally, if you like you can discuss that with us on

cu there if you like,

best regards, antonio

Soundmanpt 25 May 2016, 11:37


Glad to hear that you got your glasses. Everything you said makes perfect sense to me. Your eyes have gotten very used to seeing like they have for over the past 3 years. Your eyes haven't gotten substantially worse but they have changed some in those 3 years. So it makes sense that if you go out and get in your car during the day and drive off without putting your glasses on your eyesight is the same as what you have gotten used to in the past 3 years so you don't miss your glasses at all. But the truth is even though you feel like your eyesight is okay to drive without your glasses there is little doubt your not seeing nearly as well as you should be or as safely. If something is in the road ahead of you, your not going to see it nearly as quickly as you would if you have your glasses on. This is the same way for road signs, your not nearly as able to see road signs without your glasses until your much closer to them than if you had your glasses on. The fact that when you do remember to wear your glasses when your driving that only after having them on for a short time when you take them off everything is much more blurry. The reason everything is blurry is because that is what your real eyesight is. Your eyesight without glasses is far from terrible so of course I have no doubt that you can see another car just fine without your glasses but there are other things you really need to be able to as clearly as possibly. Actually even when you got your -.50 glasses it really would have not been a bad idea for you to wear your glasses whenever you were driving even though you probably would have been able to pass the drivers test without your glasses. It's just a good idea to be as safe as you can be when driving a car. This is the only thing I really encourage you to start making it a habit that you always put your glasses on as soon as you get in your car to drive both day and night. Other than that it is really up to you when you wear your glasses. Personally i think you should be wearing them when your watching TV or at the movies or at a concert or sporting event where you need good vision to see whats going on. It doesn't make sense to pay good money to go to a rock concert and your several hundred feet away and you don't wear your glasses and everything and everyone on stage is just a blur. But that is your decision because your not going to hurt anyone except yourself by not being able to see. No I don't think you need to wear your glasses all the time because your more than able to function without your glasses. So if your at home and just sitting around reading a good book you don't need your glasses for that as your eyes can see things close up without any problem. In fact I even suggest that if your wearing your glasses and decide to sit and read you should take your glasses off.

The best thing you could do to determine when and how much you need to be wearing your glasses is by just putting them on and wearing them full time for a week and then you should be able to tell exactly when you need to wear your glasses.

Sally 25 May 2016, 10:02

So I got my glasses about a week ago. (-1.00 up from -0.50) They definitely sharpen up distance, especially at night.When I drive during the day, they make don't make such a big difference, until I take them off. If I start driving without them I can forget I have them. Feels like the more comfortable I get with them the more difference they make, although I have to admit I do need them to read signs at night. I think that if I get in the car and drive forgetting to put them on I can see ok. If I put them on I see signs particularly off in the distance more clearly. The biggest shock is when I take them off after a while and all my vision gets "softer". For sure if I would wear them to a drivers test, for example, I would fail. I think I can make out without them, but they feel addictive if I wear them, and for vanity's sake don't want to need them full time...what to do? Is this normal? What to do?

Puffin 24 May 2016, 15:57


+1 from me on the full time wear situation. I doubt any optician would prescribe that strength of correction without recommending you wear them full time. The choice is yours, but bear in mind that not wearing them will not magically make the myopia go away.

As for the dependency issue, that is a fuzzy situation(!) It depends on factors such as what you want to do with your vision, and what you think you can put up with in lieu of having fully corrected vision. Myopia of your level will of course make reading things not very far away difficult or impossible, and there will inevitably be situations where you will need to do these things pretty much instantly, without wasting time getting closer (and perhaps looking a little bit silly with all that squinting and struggling) and/or fishing around in your bag for glasses.

BTW: if anyone tells you a tale of how wearing glasses full time making their eyes worse, don't believe them. What is happening is that the uncorrected myopic visual system is doing its best to adapt to fuzzy vision. This adaptive capacity has its limits, so in your case it's

working overtime. When the correction comes along, it basically switches off, and thus you get a bit more myopia that seems to have come out of nowhere. It was always there, it's just that in all that adapting it wasn't obvious to you. So don't worry. Remember eyes do change shape as we grow without regard to whatever lenses they look through.

You'll probably find that your friends are hiding a bit of myopia too. Do a bit of your new party trick, ie "reading stuff in the distance" and they might be persuaded to follow your lead.

Cactus Jack 24 May 2016, 14:56


It really is not a question of dependency. It is a question of how much you like having really good vision. It is a personal preference. The only exception is those situations where the safety of others is important. For example, you should not drive a car without vision correction, if you need even -1.00 glasses.

To some extent wearing glasses is YOUR decision. No one else has the right to tell you yes or no. To help you understand the meaning of a Sphere prescription, here are some of the effect of being nearsighted or myopic in a table below. I don't know how well it will post/

Minus Sphere Prescription Distance where things start getting fuzzy

-1.00 1 meter or 39.37 inches

-2.00 50 cm. or 19.7 inches

-2.75 36.3 cm. or 14.3 inches

-3.50 28.5 cm. or 11.25 inces

Everything beyond those distances are increasingly blurry.

Hope this helps.


antonio 24 May 2016, 14:22

I got dependant on them at -2,75 for both eyes, Nikita,

you ?

best regards, Antonio

Nikita 24 May 2016, 12:51

Thanks for the info. I'll try to wear them more often. What is the point past which one becomes dependent? I'm just curious.

Soundmanpt 24 May 2016, 11:01


Your like many other teenage girls your age in that you care about your looks. So anything that is going to change your looks is always going to be a concern. So wearing glasses for a young girl of 18 is life changing thing. For this reason many girls will put off getting glasses as long as possible and for those that already have glasses will squint and strain their eyes trying to see rather than have to put their glasses on. That is bad enough but the thought of having to wear them full time seems like a fate worse than death itself. For some they were lucky and even after getting glasses they were able to see just well enough with their glasses to avoid having to wear them except maybe at very rare times. But for a young lady that got glasses in her early to mid teens and with increases every year at some point the squinting and straining just doesn't work anymore. Your glasses have not only reached that point but has surpassed it by quite a good bit. Your correct in feeling as if you can't function anymore without your glasses because you really can't. I suggest now that you have your new glasses you should maybe wear your glasses and go to a professional makeup artists and have your makeup done with your glasses on so they can teach you how to really make glasses work for you and bring out your eyes. Then plan on starting each day wearing your glasses and keep them on until you go to bed. Your sure to get comments but they will be in the form of complements. Some of your gfs will be wanting to try your glasses to see how they would look wearing glasses. Oh and the boys aren't going to have any problem with you wearing glasses either. If your attractive without glasses then your going to be every bit as attractive wearing glasses. The makeup idea is mostly just to give you some different ideas about doing your makeup and should really be fun as well.

Soundmanpt 24 May 2016, 10:18


After reading both your questions and comments and Cactus Jacks replies to you I am in agreement with Cactus Jack that based on your current and previous prescriptions the only vision problem you seem to have is that you do have some astigmatisms which you wear contacts to correct. You don't show any signs of having latent hyperopia. The only change from your current prescription and your previous eye exam 2 years ago seems like at that time they did prescribe you with a very slight minus prescription of -.25 in both eyes for your distance and this last exam they didn't seem to feel you even needed that anymore. So if for some reason you feel like your eyes need some additional help with reading and seeing close up you can always try wearing a pair of over the counter readers along with your contacts to see if that helps to relax your eyes more. I would suggest getting the weakest ones available either +1.00 or +1.25. Is it your intention to wear these glasses full time so your eyes adjust to them for distance as well as for reading? If all this works then you may want to try and have you optometrist write you a new prescription for your your contacts with the +1.00 or +1.25 instead of the -0.00 you now have in the SPH area.

Cactus Jack 24 May 2016, 08:40


Yes you should wear your glasses full time. Not wearing them WILL NOT particularly slow down increases in myopia. In fact, some studies have suggested that not wearing correction may speed up increases. The thing that is really in control is your genetic make-up.

You are young enough to most likely avoid early onset of Presbyopia. When you start wearing your glasses all the time, you may find it uncomfortable to read with your glasses. If that is the case, you may need to re-condition your Ciliary Muscles. The principles are no different than someone to does weight lifting to strengthen their arm muscles.

Your -2.75 and -3.50 prescription means that your actual "eye power" is the reverse of that, in other words +2.75 and +3.50. Those powers are about what you find in Over-the-Counter reading glasses. Initially, trying too read with your glasses may be like someone starting to lift weights using very heavy weights. That causes strain and pain. The solution is to start with small weights and build up your strength.

If you find it uncomfortable to focus close with your glasses, you there are several ways to "reduce the stress" while you are building up your Ciliary Muscles. I can probably help you with that, if it is a problem. If you get pain or headaches trying to focus close to read with your glasses, that is not helpful, so please let me know.

May I ask where you live? (Country) That will help me offer suggestions that more closely fit your situation.


Cactus Jack 24 May 2016, 08:18


An eye exam is not like an exam that you might take in school and there is really no way to study for it. However, you can prepare for it and learn about your role in the exam. The best eye exams are a team effort between you and the Examiner. Part of the preparation is to learn what to expect, particularly if this is your first eye exam.

One important thing you need to keep in mind is that the Examiner has no way to experience what you are seeing. He/she has to depend on your answers to questions.

There are two parts to an eye exam. The first part is the Objective part. This part consists of:

1. Taking a Visual History where you describe your vision and the kinds of problems you are having.

2. Checking the internal pressure in your eyes for symptoms of Glaucoma. This is one of the very few parts of an eye exam that is even mildly uncomfortable and the discomfort only lasts for a few seconds. There are two basic ways to do the pressure test.

A. Using a special instrument to lightly touch your Cornea. Not to worry here. Before doing this type of test a drop of mild anesthetic will make sure you don’t even feel it.

B. There is a new type instrument that uses a puff of air directed against your cornea. No anesthetic is required, but the puff will startle you. The puff of air is harmless and there are huge benefits of detecting Glaucoma early before it can do damage.

3. Obtaining a preliminary estimate of your refractive error using an Auto-Refractor, or manually by using a small hand held instrument called an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope.

The Auto-Refractor is a relatively new instrument that was developed in conjunction with NASA to check Astronauts vision in space. You look into the machine with each eye individually at a scene or a pattern and the machine will adjust its internal lenses to focus the image you see on your retina. The Auto-Refractor only takes a few seconds for each eye and it then prints out your estimated prescription.

Some Examiners prefer to use manual methods that have been used for many years. Using an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope and a Trial Lens set or a Phoropter (a fancy machine with a built in lens set), the Examiner will look into your eyes and select the lenses that allow him to see your retina, most clearly.

The object of this part of the exam is to get a starting place for the Subjective part of the exam where you have to describe what you see.

Typically the Subjective part of the exam starts with the Right Eye shutter open and the Left Eye shutter closed.

Step 1 is typically determining the cylinder and axis of any Astigmatism correction you need. This is actually the hardest part of the exam because you will be asked to judge relative blurriness of two images rather than the sharpness of an image.

You will be shown a line of text and a supplemental lens will be rotated into place. This lens is a cylinder lens that is mounted on a 45 degree pivot and can be flopped back an forth to bracket a trial axis or orientation of the long axis of the cylinder lens. The thing that is confusing about this test is that the straight lines (strokes) of the letters will alternate in clarity as the lens is flipped back and forth depending on their direction. I suggest concentrating on an “O” if possible. Depending on your answers, the examiner will adjust the axis knob unit the image you see is equally blurry with the supplemental lens 45 degrees each side of the selected axis.

At this point the Examiner will probably swing the supplemental lens out of the way and may change the cylinder power while asking you which lens in clearer.

You may be uncomfortable, for your first exam, asking the Examiner to let you fine tune the axis, but I have found that most will appreciate your wanting to actively participate. The way that works is that he will place your hand on the Axis control knob and you move it back and forth a few degrees of the sharpest image, this time.

The next step is determining the Sphere correction. This is an easy part of the exam because all you have to do is pick the sharpest image, but there is a tricky part. Your auto-focus mechanism will try to help, if it gets a chance. The Examiner has a couple of ways to minimize the action of your ciliary muscles and crystalline lenses.

The Examiner can in effect sneak up on your Sphere prescription or he can use drops to Dilate your eyes. Lets talk about sneaking up on your prescription first. There are actually 4 lenses in your eye’s lens system. All of them are PLUS lenses and the total power is about +56 diopters. The only variable focus lens is the crystalline lens whose PLUS power is controlled by your ciliary muscles. For distance, your Crystalline lens is fully relaxed and has somewhere around +15 diopters. When you focus to read, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze the Crystalline lens to increase its PLUS power by the amount necessary to focus which depends on the distance to the object.

This will take a little thought to get your mind around, but if you are nearsighted, your lens system has too much PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your retina and you need MINUS lenses to neutralize some of that excess PLUS power. You ONLY have the ability to increase the PLUS power of your lens system. You have NO ability to reduce the PLUS power of your Crystalline lenses more that fully relaxed.

To try to keep your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses from getting in the act, the examiner will start with NOT ENOUGH MINUS or TOO MUCH PLUS (same thing) and gradually increase the MINUS one or two steps at a time, while reducing the size of the line you are asked to read. He will not tell you what power lens or what line you are looking at. Eventually, he will reach the 20/20 line and a lens power that lets you read it with no mistakes.

He will then follow the same procedure with your Left Eye.

When he has completed both eyes, he will open the shutters and you may see two images. This part of the test is to check your muscle balance using some prisms. He will probably ask you to tell him when the two images are aligned horizontally and then vertically. While the images are separated, you have an important check to make. Compare the sharpness of the two images. If they are not equally sharp, be sure and tell the Examiner which image is clearer. If there is a difference, he will likely reduce the sharpness of the clearest image until they match. The important thing at this point is that they match. That lack of sharpness will be corrected in the next phase with both eyes working together.

Next he will fuse the images so both eyes are working together and repeat the Sphere procedure by gradually increasing the MINUS or decreasing the PLUS until you see the smallest line of letters very clearly.

That pretty much completes the exam except for checking your near vision with a small chart about 14 to 16 inches from you.

Nikita 24 May 2016, 08:16

I'm 18

Cactus Jack 24 May 2016, 08:11


Yes, you are not doing yourself any favors by not wearing your glasses full time. Your prescription means that you are effectively wearing built-in reading glasses, without your glasses. That causes your Ciliary Muscles to not get any exercise. For their size, the Ciliary Muscles are normally the strongest muscles in the body. Their job is squeeze your Crystalline Lenses so you can focus close. Without exercise and use, your Ciliary Muscles will get weak, which leads to early onset of Presbyopia.

May I ask your age?


Cactus Jack 24 May 2016, 08:00


Could you have the purpose of the various prescription elements, confused?

The first number is Sphere correction. Sphere is used to correct several types of refractive error. Minus Sphere corrections are for Axial or True Myopia and also Pseudo or False Myopia. Plus Sphere is used to correct Hyperopia, Latent Hyperopia and Presbyopia. All of these types of refractive errors are related to either a mismatch between the total PLUS power of the eyes lens system and the distance from the Crystalline Lens to the Retina and/or some kind of problem with the Crystalline Lens Ciliary Muscles.

The second and third numbers are Cylinder and Axis (they ALWAYS go together) correction for Astigmatism. Astigmatism is usually caused by uneven curvature of the front surface of the Cornea. The actual cause of Astigmatism is unknown, but it seems to be caused by unequal tension around the periphery of the Cornea. Astigmatism can ONLY be corrected by external cylinder lenses in glasses, toric soft contact lenses, hard contact lenses, or surgery of some type.

Astigmatism changes very slowly. Most Cylinder and Axis prescription changes are caused by, lack os skill on the part of the patient. WHAT! Yes, let me explain.

There are two parts to an eye exam. The Objective part, where the examiner uses instruments to look into your eyes with various instruments to get an approximation of your refractive error and the Subjective part where you tell the examiner what you see. The MOST subjective part of an eye exam occurs when the examiner is trying to determine the Cylinder power and the Axis of the Cylinder. Most elements in the exam ask you to select the sharpest image. During the part of the exam where Cylinder Axis is determined, you are asked to judge relative blurriness, which is a much more difficult task the requires some instruction and knowledge and participation by the patient to get it right.

I have posted a piece I wrote called "How to Study for an Eye Exam". You might find it helpful on your next eye exam. I will try to find it and post it again. One of the things I explain is my technique for getting the Cylinder and Axis right.

Now to answer your question. It is possible that you have a tiny bit of Hyperopia or even a tiny bit of Myopia, but it has not shown up on recent eye exams. You do have some Astigmatism as in indicated by the Cylinder and Axis correction. Astigmatism is funny, it messes up your vision at all distances. I suspect that the 0.25 difference in Cylinder power is trivial and most likely was caused by your skill level in participating in the exam. Like almost any thing in life, you have to learn how to select Eye Care Professionals (ECPs) and how to play your role in the exam. Unfortunately, few ECPs have time to do much teaching.

I hope this was helpful, but please be aware that I am NOT an Eye Care Professional. My background is Engineering and Computers. I am an Amateur in the original French sense aa one who studies and learns about a subject because he "loves" knowledge. While I had studied Optics in my Physics classes, unsatisfactory answers to my vision problems led me to want to learn more. Much or our knowledge of the sciences was discovered by Amateurs such as Newton, Voltaire, and many others. I am not in that class and don't pretend to be.

May I ask your major?


Nikita 24 May 2016, 07:59

Should I wear my glasses at home?

I recently got a new prescription and I've always tried to wear my glasses as little as possible but I feel like I might not be able to function without them on anymore.

Do most people with my rx wear them all the time?

R -2.75

L -3.5

Mama 24 May 2016, 06:44

1)24 just out of school

2) L 0.00 -1.00 27

R 0.00 -.75 135

3)Coming up on two years

4) pretty much the same but with -.25 at beginning

Cactus Jack 23 May 2016, 15:08


It is not possible to predict because there are too many variables. Here are some important ones.

1. Your age?

2 Your most recent prescription?

3. How long have you had that prescription?

4. What was the prescription before the present one?

That information will help,


Paul 23 May 2016, 14:46

Visual impairment is the family Keijzer not unknown. The oldest sister Elma (23) has a strength of-22 and her youngest brother Jur (18) a strength of-24. In verrekijkers or binoculars you see the world through their eyes and get behind the obstacles that their extreme myopia. Jur and Elma have a strong character and fight to be able to run normally in our society and to find their way in an unsettled life.

Look at:

mama 23 May 2016, 13:20

how long would it generally take to reverse the effects of latent hyperopia? i'm concerned that I have a little bit of it and was thinking about wearing some overprescribed OTC readers for a little time fairly exclusively on top over my low plus contacts prescription before my next eye exam. How long would i need to do this to completely relax my ciliary muscles?

Soundmanpt 23 May 2016, 11:37


I don't know what test "Cactus Jack" was going to have you do but one thing you may want to do is when you out shopping most every store sells over the counter readers, so you may want to try and find a pair if possible in +1.00 power. Some stores only go as low as +1.25 like your friends glasses. You should be able to find a nice looking pair for under $10.00. Buy them and try wearing them around the house when your reading. You should quickly be able to tell if their comfortable or not and if your eyes feel less tired when you finish reading chances are your eyes are benefiting from the glasses and you may want to start wearing them for close work.

Andrew 23 May 2016, 08:11

I did ask about the possibility of getting my -9.25 prescription (with some extra astigmatism) made up in 1.50 index plastic. It wasn't so much that it couldn't be done, but that the computer wouldn't let them do it.

rafa 23 May 2016, 01:19


Do you have photos of your glasses collection? I would love to see some as I too like large frames and will soon do GOC with around minus 9 diopters.

Maxim 22 May 2016, 10:12

This is the l'usine des lunettes link for the US:

Maxim 22 May 2016, 10:06

to Rachel:

suppliers under 50,00 $ / 50,00 Euro:

zenni (US)

glassesshop (US)

marvelopics (US)

usinedeslunettes (France/Netherlands)

search them via Google.

lusinedeslunettes is quite good, and very fast delivery at only 5.95 Euro worldwide - choose English language option right corner above.

Good luck!

Soundmanpt 22 May 2016, 09:09

Rachel S

They are clearly trying to us sell you into getting hi-index lenses which as you know are considerably more expensive. Your prescription is strong but not so strong that CR -39 lenses won't work for the bigger frames your wanting to buy. Just as Melyssa said most of her vast glasses collection consists of rather big frame glasses and her prescription is very close to yours. I would suggest that you only go back to get a copy of your prescription and run out of there as fast as you can. Then go home and go on line as "spes4ever" suggested and open up the Zenni ( site In there you will find well over 800 pairs of complete glasses to choose from for under $13.00. In fact I just went into Zenni and picked out a nice large size frame that i know very well since I have sold a good number to people I know. So I picked #220421 which just happens to be an exact copy of the famous Ray-Nan Wayfarer glasses. The price for the glasses complete is $12.95 and because you do have a high prescription they do charge an extra $9.00 for your lenses so the total price of your glasses would still only be $21.95. The only other charge is a one time delivery charge of $5.00. From the time you place your order until you receive you glasses would only be around 10 days to 2 weeks at most. Getting your PD (pupil distance) is really very easy to do and only takes a few seconds to do. You only need a ruler with millimeters on it and I would suggest someone to do the measuring for you. You only need to stand or sit and look straight ahead of you as if your looking at something in the distance without your glasses on and have someone measure from the center of your right pupil to the center of your left pupil. In most cases that number is around 58mm - 63mm. Being off a millimeter isn't a big deal and even less since your not planning on wearing theses glasses very often anyway.

Melyssa 22 May 2016, 08:12


Your so-called optician is full of you-know-what. My prescription is -9.00, and many of the frames in my eyewear collection are very large. I have no problem at all getting CR39 lenses in any of them, and the 1/4-inch to 1/2-inch thickness is something I have been able to handle for decades.

specs4ever 22 May 2016, 07:37

There is no real reason why that cannot be done in regular plastic Rachel. I would suggest that you take a look at the selection of frames from Zenni optical and consider ordering your glasses from them. I have ordered a number of pairs from Zenni and have been quite satisfied. The only thing you need to know is tour pupillary distance (pd) and if you need help finding it this community can help you with that.

Rachel S 22 May 2016, 07:12

Can an optician refuse to make glasses to my desired specifications?

I have a very strong prescription and I wear contact lenses 90% of the time. I have a pair of designer glasses for the days when I don't feel like wearing contacts but I'm looking to get a pair of very basic glasses for when I'm doing things like shaving my legs in the shower. I don't want to spend a lot of money on these glasses so I requested the most basic lenses without any AR coating or other add-ons. I enjoy large frames and picked out a pair but the optician said that it would be "impossible" to fit my prescription in those frames with the basic CR-39 lenses.

I told her that I don't care about thickness or weight. These are just for me to wear at home for an hour or so but she said that it simply couldn't be done. I think she's just trying to make me spend more money than I want to. Am I right?

The rx is currently:

R -7.75

L -9.25

Soundmanpt 22 May 2016, 07:04


So in the 2 years since you last had your eyes examined they have only changed by -.25 in each eye which of course is a very small increase. Like you already know your -.50 glasses were pretty weak and you determined after wearing them a short time that they didn't seem to make much difference in your eyesight. Actually that is understandable because they really just sharpened things up a little bit when you were looking at something in the distance. But if you drive a car and ever drive at night I think they would have been a benefit to you then. At -.50 you were still probably right on the borderline of passing the vision driver's test without glasses. Now that your new prescription is at -.75 in both eyes I am quite certain you would be unable to pass that same driver's test for driving without your glasses. So that alone if you drive a car should be enough reason to get new glasses with your new prescription. And even if you don't drive I think now even with such a small increase you might find glasses more of a benefit now. But I would hate to tell you to go out and spend several hundred dollars on new glasses if you never wear them. Maybe you should consider ordering a pair of glasses on line. They really are every bit as good as any you would buy at your local optical center. But far less expensive. Check out ( you can will find well over 800 pairs to choose from for less than $13.00. I suggest if you go that route that you get the optional AR coating (anti-reflective) which is very nice to have on your glasses since it cuts down on glare and reflections and is only an additional $5.00.

Ash 22 May 2016, 05:05

Hi I had an eye test yesterday and was given a prescription on -0.75 in both eyes, in my previous test a couple of years ago I had a prescription of -0.50 and was recommended to get glasses.

I did get some but wore them when I first got them but slowly stopped wearing them as I didn't notice too much of a difference with them, and was not too keen on the idea of wearing glasses.

With this new prescription should I be getting new glasses, and if I do when would I benefit most from wearing them?

Curious 19 May 2016, 07:01

She says they are +1.25. What is the test. What is the likelihood I would be prescribed glasses even if I can see ok?

Cactus Jack 18 May 2016, 18:56


It would be helpful to know your partner's glasses prescription. PLUS glasses are used to correct both Hyperopia (farsightedness) and/or Presbyopia or both. If they are prescription glasses, they may also have some Astigmatism correction.

What you experienced is pretty common. Many people who think they have "perfect" vision actually have some Hyperopia. Hyperopia is the ONLY refractive error that you can correct internally. You do that by using some of the resources of your "Auto-focus" system, which is comprised of your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses.

It is also likely that at 34, Presbyopia is beginning to creep up on you. The idea that Presbyopia does not become a problem until 40 is a myth. Presbyopia actually starts in childhood, but typically does not become a problem until around 40, but it can happen at any age, depending on your genetic makeup.

When you were very young, your Crystalline Lenses had the consistency of freshly made gelatin dessert. Your Ciliary Muscles could effortlessly focus very close, which is why you occasionally see young children effortlessly reading or coloring with the book a very short distance from their face. As you get older, your Crystalline Lenses get stiffer and harder for your Ciliary Muscles to focus. At some point you need some reading help. People with Hyperopia generally need reading help earlier than those who do not have Hyperopia or have Myopia (nearsightedness).

There is a fairly simple test you can do at home to get an idea if you have any refractive error. Let me know if you are interested. If you can, try to find out about your partner's prescription.


Curious 18 May 2016, 14:34

Just partner got glasses for close work only, and yesterday told me to try them. I told her I don't need them as I can see perfectly ok and proved it by reading some very small print. I tried them, and was struck by the way they increased the contrast of the seemed darker and bolder as did colors. But I could read the small print ok without them. Is that a sign that I too might need glasses? She got them after she couldn't read a pill box that I could read. I am only 34, so shouldn't need glasses yet, I think.

Soundmanpt 16 May 2016, 17:27


It would seem about right for it to take about 15 - 20 minutes for your eyes to stabilize after wearing your glasses. I didn't bother even sending you a comment asking if you had any chance to wear your glasses for an extended period of time like when you wore to the city the other week because I knew with it being spring you had to at your busiest point at work. And of course even if it rains i'm sure there are plenty of other things needed done in the greenhouses and things. Maybe things will slow down as we get closer to summer and you will get your chance to take another trip to somewhere where your not likely to be seen by anyone you know and you can wear your glasses again for a full day. Now of course next time your going to know exactly how your eyes are going to react to your glasses so you will be able to plan on leaving some time when your about ready to head back to take your glasses off and allow your normal eyesight to return. Until then I guess you will only be able to do like you have been by wearing them a few evenings when you get home from work. I guess one nice thing about wearing them around the house is that you can wear them right up until your in bed before taking them off because your eyes can recover as you go to sleep.

María 16 May 2016, 15:24


I don't know how much time does my vision take to "stabilize", but I guess like 20 minuted? I haven't measured time, also I don't even notice as it is something gradual. I mean everything is smaller always but after a while I don't notice it.

Sadly I won't have another free day like that one, even if it rains, because when it does, we still have a lot of greenhouse work, so... I'll have to keep my little hobby at home haha.


No, I'm not trying to induce more myopia, I don't want to get dependent on glasses, I just like to wear them when I feel like to. I mean, I do it for an hour or two every few days, not every day. I believe that doing it this way won't affect my eyes, right? I don't have plans to wear the glasses full time, only every now and then. My eyes should be safe? Thank you very much for the advice, btw.

Likelenses 14 May 2016, 16:16


Women are so attractive in glasses.

Ditch the contacts,and become a full time GWG.

Soundmanpt 14 May 2016, 07:08


Congrats on wearing your glasses all day. Your right, for some that may not seem like a big deal, but for someone that normally lives in her contacts and very seldom ever seen wearing glasses, it is a big deal. In the past you have shown some of the nice glasses that your have bought and I assumed that you wore them at least about half the time along with your contacts. You have been coming to "Eyescene" for some time now so i'm sure you must know that so much over wearing of contact lenses can be very hard on your eyes. Have you just had a hard time getting used to wearing glasses or are you just very shy about being seen wearing glasses? So what prompted you to decide to try wearing your glasses for a full day? I'm sure your eyes had to feel so much better wearing glasses. Even better that your considering wearing your glasses for the weekend as well. I'm sure your eyes will appreciate the break from the contacts. It looks like a good start for you maybe start wearing your glasses even more often now that your getting more used to wearing them. Did you get any complements while wearing your glasses on how nice you look? Anyway high five to you.

SoCal 13 May 2016, 23:09

I'm so proud of myself! I wore my glasses all day today!! This may seem like no big deal to most but I live in contacts. From the moment I wake up to the moment I got to sleep, sometimes in my sleep, I wear contacts . . . total addict. I just thought this was the perfect place to share . . . high five! It was so nice feeling air hitting my eyes that I think this new look may stay for the weekend or at least I can put my contacts back in without feeling any stinging.

Soundmanpt 13 May 2016, 08:58


You clearly have not read very many of my posts in the "Induced Myopia" thread because if you had you would see that I always encourage those wanting to induce myopia NOT to try going too strong with their glasses but yes of course I do suggest that if they are serious about wanting to increase their real prescription that they need to wear their glasses completely full time for it to work. If Maria had showed up in that thread and said she was hoping to increase her need fr glasses and she would have said anything about buying glasses that were -3.75 to start with I would have told her that going with glasses that strong was a bad idea and that she needed to start with glasses much weaker because it is much more important for the glasses to be comfortable to wear than being too string and unable to wear them. In fact in some of my early replies to Maria I was concerned about how well she could see to read with those glasses because even if her distance was good with them I think most would find the glasses too strong for close vision and thus uncomfortable to wear. I was prepared if she had complained at all about her ability to read with them to suggest that she might be better going on line and ordering glasses with a weaker prescription so reading would be easier for her as well. But she has indicated several times that she doesn't have any issues with reading small print with them.

By the way I totally agree with you that we are having a friendly disagreement and there is no need for calling names and saying nasty things to each other. In the end your right it will be up to Maria how and when she decides to wear her glasses. I'm sure Maria will be able to tell when she wears her glasses if they are in anyway starting to have any lasting effect on her own natural eyesight. But it's not going to happen.

Concerned 12 May 2016, 17:19


I respectfully disagree with your assessment. I am a fan of those wearing glasses. However, an examination of the very threads that your have written over an over throughout the years shows that you repeatedly encourage increased wear and the wear of stronger prescriptions.

While you are always polite in your posts, I don't find some of the advice that you offer to be honest or ethical.

You are correct that Maria is not harming others. She can, however, induce greater myopia with the stronger prescription. Many threads on "Induced Myopia" back this u with personal testimony at 30 and older. She deserves the truth.

What she does with it is up to her.

astigmaphile 12 May 2016, 14:10


I am + 2.50 in my left eye and also presbyopic. I can read with sphere only, but have no desire to as it isn't clear. I can't read road signs with that eye, either, without correction.

Tom1 12 May 2016, 13:37

Melyssa: how much astigmatism do you have? Is it true than without correction even the close vision is blurred to the point that you could not read a regular printed text? These are the symptoms described by my girlfriend...

Soundmanpt 12 May 2016, 13:04


I'm sure you mean well with your advice to Maria but she really in no danger of doing any harm to her eyesight. First of all at the age of 30 her eyes are already stable. So even if she wanted to induce a bit more myopia it really wouldn't be possible anymore and she would have to wear those glasses completely full time from the minute she would open her eyes each morning until she was closed her eyes for bed each night. and she would have to do that for quite a while even. But even doing that her own eyesight would remain the same as it is now. And since she has no intention of wearing these glasses anywhere near full time she is at no risk at all. She has clearly done her homework and been reading through some of the threads in this forum including the "Inducing Myopia" thread. She seemed to have a pretty good idea not only how her eye would react to wearing her glasses for 8 hours but also knew about what to expect once she took the glasses off to head home. So she didn't panic when she took off her glasses and things were blurry, but i'm sure she expected that just from wearing them a couple hours in the evening around her house. So she is well informed on her own really and she isn't doing any harm to herself or others by wearing her stronger glasses that she seems to really like even for fashion so let her have her fun.

Melyssa 11 May 2016, 12:40


What Soundmanpt and Antonio says is true. I had never heard of astigmatism until a month before my 8th birthday, when an eye exam revealed the situation, putting me in glasses forever. I could never wear contact lenses (well, that and not wanting a hard object in my eyes) because of my strong astigmatism.

Concerned 10 May 2016, 18:34


Are you trying to induce more myopia than your current prescription? If so, you are going about it in the correct manner. The advice that you are being given to wear the stronger glasses may very well lead to that.

If you definitely do not wish to induce more myopia, don't wear any glasses other than your real glasses. Obviously, you still have a significant amount of accommodation. Despite what you have been told by others, wearing the stronger glasses over repeated long periods on a fairly consistent basis could lead to a much stronger prescription for you down the road. There are many examples of this on this site from people hoping to induce myopia.

There may be protestations to the contrary but you should know the truth. What you want for your vision, however, either way is up to you.

Soundmanpt 10 May 2016, 16:10


Astigmatisms effects the eyesight for all distances. Also if she normally wears her glasses full time even if she didn't have any astigmatisms at some point she would likely lose the ability to see close up without her glasses because her eyes would be so adjusted to them. But I suspect that in her case her astigmatisms are the main reason she needs her glasses to read. So yes she probably nearsighted as well.

antonio 10 May 2016, 14:48

Tom, I heard, that´s true,

astigmatism is like you describe

best regards nevertheless, antonio

Tom1 10 May 2016, 14:38

Is it possible that the vision of a person who has strong astigmatism is blurred close up, as well as far away? My new gf is nearsighted (at least this is what I thought at the beginning since she can't see far things) but she explained her close up vision is also very blurred due to a large amount of astigmatism. Is this true? Can a person that has strong astigmatism confirm (or not)?

Josh 10 May 2016, 12:20

Maria, it seems your eyes adjust very good to -3,75, a quite strong rx in difference with your own, if you want to need stronger glasses you're in the right way, but i'd like to challenge you to take another step, and try to wear them all day long and the day after till you can tolerate, to see what happen...

Soundmanpt 10 May 2016, 09:14


I would have assumed that you had likely tested your eyes quite often around the house by wearing both of them. That was how you found out that the one pair was somewhat uncomfortable to your eyes and even gave you headaches. So your glasses of choice was very quickly the blue pair because they were comfortable to wear and didn't give you any headaches. Being able to wear them and and see the TV across the room of course was one good test and being able to see so well wearing them for extended periods of time even better, but I know you had said that you didn't have any problem reading small print wearing them which was a real test since even when distance glasses are prescribed they can often times seem a little on the strong side for reading small print until the eyes can adjust to them. So for you to be able to wear them effortlessly reading for extended periods of time is extremely good. Even though you were doing so well with wearing your glasses around the house being able to put them on and wear them when you got to the city where you were going to be needing to see things at a much greater distance had to be quite an nice feeling. And then being able to see so well wearing them had to quite exciting for you? It's one thing wearing them around the house but this was a much bigger test for your eyes as well as the glasses. It's nice to hear from someone like you that has followed this forum and actually learned from it. So you weren't all that surprised when you took your glasses off at the end of the day and things were pretty blurry? I guess even wearing them around the house for several hours and then taking them off you saw blurry until your refocused which also helped to prepare you?

Just curious, of course when you first put your glasses on everything looks very small until your eyes start adjusting to the glasses and then everything should look very normal and natural pretty much as it would with your own natural eyesight. How long do you have to have your glasses on before your eyes adjust and everything looks normal size with your glasses? So until things slow down at your job, which could be quite a while from now based on what you do a living, I assume you will have to settle for just wearing your "fun" glasses around the house after work. Maybe you will get lucky and be able to take a road trip on a rainy day so you can again wear your glasses for a full day. If you were in my state (Missouri) you would have a great chance to get away because it has been stormy and rainy since last Saturday and the forecast is for storms and rain until next week sometime.

María 10 May 2016, 06:09


Yes I decided I won't take them off, unless my eyes started to hurt. But as I had tried the glasses at home for extended periods (like reading or watching tv for a couple of hours) I was confident that I wouldn't have any trouble.

I wasn't scared when I took the glasses off. As I said, I have been reading this forum for a while, and I knew more or less how my eyes would behave. Anyways, the blur surprised me a little xD.


I have worn them for like 1 or 2 hours at a time, and the other day, when I went to the city, I wore the glasses during more or less 8 consecutive hours. When I took my glasses off, everything was rather blurry, but in 15 or 20 minutes everything was back to normal.

Josh 09 May 2016, 10:09

Maria, your story is very intersting, my question is how many time in a row could you wear -3,75 and when you removed them when you wore them at least 2 hours how is your vision, and how many time you get back to your "normal" vision?

Soundmanpt 09 May 2016, 09:55


So you had already made up your mind that once you got to the city you were going to put those glasses on not take them off until the very end of the day and you were ready to head back home? Your a determined young lady that's for sure. This had to be somewhat difficult for a couple of reasons, one is because I doubt that you have ever wore your own glasses for a full day unless you were driving on a road trip maybe. And second because of the prescription of the glasses being so strong you were really putting your eyes to a test. Until this day I have to assume that you were only able to wear them around your house a bit and not much more. Now you were going to be wearing them for a full day out in public. So when it was time to head for home and you were walking to your car and you take off your glasses for the first time and everything is so very blurry how scarred were you? Did you think that "Oh my God what have I done"? Did you suddenly think that you might have to wear those glasses from that point on as your day to day glasses? It seems like you didn't panic you simply put your glasses back on so you could see and headed for a coffee shop. You got your coffee and took off the glasses and you had to be relieved that your normal eyesight was back after a few minutes. As you now know this was very normal. It probably took at least that long for your eye to adjust to the glasses when you put them on so it makes sense that it would take about as long for your eye to recover once you took them off. Now you will know what to expect the next time you get to wear your glasses again for another "fun day". During the day if you had come across an eye chart and tested your eyes with your glasses on you would have been able to see every letter on the chart all the way to the very bottom and probably even seen the very tiny print where it said "made in China" Sadly it looks like it might be some time before you can plan another all day trip wearing your glasses. Yes no doubt that this has to be your busy season with gardening and landscaping so it could be a while before you get to have fun again.

You didn't get glasses until about 3 years ago and you only wear them for driving. But of course if you wanted to you could wear them far more than that or even full time. Instead you seem to find it more interesting to buy glasses from a flea market that belonged to some other young lady. It seems you want to feel what this young lady must have felt by wearing her glasses. Certainly a different feeling than wearing glasses you can get on line that had never been worn before.

Jared 09 May 2016, 06:32

@Neil & CJ who's been listening in :)

It sounds like we have had similar experiences. The optician I see is very good at engaging me in the testing process. He also will often prescribe less prism than he finds I need in the test. I've also thought I'd rather have the full amount of prism for comfort but he has explained that I'll just "eat up" the prism and need yet more at the next test.

I am presently waiting for a hospital referral as the amount of prism needed is going up a bit quick. This time round I intend to make a point of raising the comfort issue.

I have had dilated tests in the past in the UK so I don't think accommodation is the issue in my case, even though I must admit it does feel like it on a bad day. Almost without fail more prism nails it for me (until I need yet more).

I would not worry too much about needing more prism, I got up to around 12 base out on each eye before I began to consider surgery. The lenses got a bit thick but nothing that a sensible frame choice couldn't handle. Top tip, avoid high index lenses to minimise the colour aberrations. Also if you use the computer a lot, consider trifocals.

It was explained to me before the surgery that the prism is highly likely to continue to increase. And so far its been a case of managing that increase. I would recommend to not rule out the surgery option, but leave it as long as you can tolerate before going ahead with it. the surgery was an interesting experience and was successful. It took me a week to get used to walking through a doorway without the prim lenses which was amusing! The first time back in the car was also fun!!

I found a lot of content on YouTube from people that have had strabismus surgery, I found it useful to know what I was getting into and what to expect. Even if some of it was a bit graphic!


María 09 May 2016, 06:06


I swore myself not to take the glasses off in the entire day, so when it was time to go back and I took them off while walking to the car, it was like, "Oh, wow". Yeah it was so blurry. So I put them back on, and went to a coffee shop. Ordered a coffee, took the glasses off, and sat down to drink it while looking some stuff on my phone. After 15 or 20 minutes I could see as always. Yes I am looking forward to another day like that, but now starts a period of loads of work, so I don't now when I will be able to repeat it, sadly.


Thanks for the tip, I already tried that, and the -3.75 glasses make everything smaller, as it should be. The seller actually sent me a photo of her prescription, so I'm pretty sure it is accurate. I'm inclined to believe the reason this happens is what Soundmanpt said, the pupilar distance.


For now, I'll stick to what I described... trips to another city or situations where I won't come across people I know. I usually wear my glasses for driving only, so I don't want to raise questions.


I am an avid reader, I always read between 1 or 2 hours before sleep, but I haven't had any eye tiredness or anything (except for the days I'm actually very tired). I work in gardening and landscaping, so I don't do much close work, except when I have to draw or design something, but that is not every day.

Cactus Jack 09 May 2016, 01:45


Sorry to be so slow. I think you understand more about how the interrelationship between Hyperopia, Presbyopia, Accommodation, and Strabismus, than you may realize It is amazing, complex, and appears to be somewhat programable.

The complexity makes it hard to explain and it is taking a bit longer than I originally thought, to write it. In addition, there have been a few other posts asking questions about prism and double vision that may find the explanation helpful so I would like to cover as much as possible.

BTW, you are right about under correcting prism, but there is a good reason. Thanks for being patient.


Neil 09 May 2016, 01:22

Hi Jared,

Your experience sounds hard. I find my vision is far more comfortable with prism. It's not that I can't control the double vision, but if I actually relax, then the picture of the world I see drifts apart.

Even at 6 prism dioptres, there is a noticeable thickening of the lenses on the outer edge, so I don't want to need too much prism. When the optician was trying close up vision she'd increase the power and things would be so much easier to read.

She'd say - is it not just bigger? And in truth, it was bigger, but actually clearer and easier to read. I think my strabismus is linked to accommodation and if I had stronger reading segments then I'd be far more relaxed and the desire to de-focus and squint, would reduce.

Opticians seem to give as little correction as possible, which I understand, but what about comfort. If I am to wear glasses anyway, why not wear the ones that work best?

Also, I've never come across a UK optician who does wet testing. I think that is far more frequent in the US.

I find it quite fascinating.

Likelenses 08 May 2016, 22:14


If you do a lot of reading,or close work for several hours at a time,regularly,then you may have pseudo myopia.

If the doctor doing you exam did not use the drops it is possible that you are very under corrected with your prescribed glasses.

What type of work do you do?

If you read without glasses do your eyes seem to get fatigued,or tired,and do things in the distance get blurry,after you have done some extensive reading?

antonio 08 May 2016, 11:51

Hi Maria,

where do you plan to wear your strong -3,75 pair to ?

to work, with friends or whereto ?

best regards, antonio

DS 08 May 2016, 11:13


A stronger pair of minus lenses will make reading more difficult. I think you have been given inaccurate information as to the prescriptions.

Instead of trusting the seller description, hold up the two pairs of glasses away from your eyes and see which makes things smaller. That is the stronger pair.

Soundmanpt 08 May 2016, 10:25


Most likely the reason your eyes are having trouble focusing to read with the -2.25 / -2.50 pair of glasses that you got is because the PD is wider than your own PD. So in effect when your trying to see something close such as reading from a book your eyes aren't able to converge to a single focus point. So when your wearing them your eyes are not positioned at the optimum center point of the lenses in those glasses. As a result your forcing your eyes to try and move into the position of that PD and that is the reason for getting a headache. Needless to say the -3.75 glasses must be nearly the same as your own PD which allows you to see as well as you do even though they are considerably stronger than you need. In fact they are more than 5 times stronger than your own glasses.

What "Likelenses" is referring to is dilating the eyes which does provide a more thorough and accurate eye exam because it relaxes the eye muscles. But with such a weak prescription like yours is it really wouldn't have made any difference in refracting your eyes. It is for more useful with someone needing much more correction. If the eyes are badly strained at the time of an eye exam it makes it that much harder for the optometrist to refract the patient accurately. I'm sure your eyes were far from being even slightly strained when you got your eyes examined.

You should just enjoy the fun your having with being able to wear glasses much stronger than you need because as you get a bit older your eyes won't tolerate nearly as much over correction. You recently went to the city and wore your -3.75 glasses glasses all day and you said that you almost forgot that you were wearing them. I'm sure when you first put them on you easily feel how strong they are as you look at things in the distance and everything is much smaller than normal but also extremely sharp and clear. Your depth perception is probably a bit off at first as well which like you say would make driving unsafe. But as your eyes start to adjust to them your distance is now closer to normal and your depth perception is back to normal as well and you soon nearly forget your even wearing glasses. I'm sure during that day you had to have taken your glasses off either to clean them or just to check your vision without the glasses. Were you surprised at how blurry everything was at first without your glasses? Then putting your glasses back on and seeing everything so clear again. At this point if you had wore those glasses to drive home your eyes were probably seeing very close if not perfect and driving would have been more than safe. But that is up to you and how good you feel your seeing with those glasses. Once you were getting ready to drive home how long did it take after you took off your glasses for your eyes to return to normal? I think your looking forward to having another day with wearing your new favorite glasses.

María 08 May 2016, 07:02


That surprised me too. I mean, I tried to read with the -2.5 glasses and it was hard, had to desist after a while. But when I wear using the -3.75 ones, while I see a little worse than I do if I read without glasses, I actually can read without any trouble.


No, I didn't have any problems. The eye exam where I was prescribed glasses was done as a mandatory thing in my job. I didn't get put any drops. Do you think I should request that test? I really see better with my real glasses than with the -3.75 ones, so I would be surprised if the higher prescription was the one I really need.

Likelenses 07 May 2016, 21:37


When you had your eyes examined the two times,were you having any vision problems? Also did the doctor put drops in your eyes that caused blurring?

I am thinking that perhaps you actually have a fair amount of pseudo myopia,and that the required prescription to ease it is actually close to the higher prescription that you have been wearing.

Soundmanpt 07 May 2016, 18:04


If Maria were in her teens or even early twenties and she was still getting increases of -.50 or more every year then yes she could be at some risk of causing her eyes to become more nearsighted by wearing those stronger glasses that she got. But she first got glasses when she was 27 and in the past 3 years her eyesight only changed by -.25 in one eye in that much time. And with such a small increase it could have easily just been the result of her doing a little bit of reading just before she got her eyes examined. Basically she didn't have enough of a change to even warrant getting new glasses but she probably wanted to at least get a new pair to stay in style. So for her even though the over correction is considerable her eyes don't seem to have any problem with being more than able to adjust to those glasses. I'm not surprised that she is able to see distances so well but I am a little surprised that she is able to read small print with them. I would think she might have a bigger problem trying to focus in order to read with them, but she doesn't seem like that bothers her at all. I'm sure she is fascinated by just how intense and crystal clear her eyesight is with those glasses on. She's having fun and she isn't at risk of causing herself any eyesight problems. That is why I was just letting her know that since she seems to really like those glasses if she wants to wear them more often she will be just fine doing so. Now to be honest if she had come in here and was asking about wanting to go on line and order a pair of glasses that would be stronger than her own glasses I would not have suggested that she order a pair with -3.75 lenses. I would have probably only have suggested something in the range of maybe -1.50 or maybe -1.75. But now she at least knows that if she plans on getting anymore glasses from a flea market as long as the PD is somewhat close to her own she can get anything up to -3.75 and knows she won't have any problem seeing with them. Probably safer if she wants to be able to wear whatever glasses she gets if she goes on line so she can order glasses with her own PD.

antonio 07 May 2016, 15:45

hi Maria,

I´m not totally sure, that if you wear those strong glasses

for so long your eyes won´t adapt to them getting more shortsighted.

To me it seems more wise to wear them only for short periods in order not to harm your eyes.

If you want to wear all the time such a strong prescription anyway, it wouldn´t matter, but if not ...

best regards, antonio

María 07 May 2016, 15:18


It's great to hear that I'll be able to wear the glasses without affecting my eyesight. Thanks for the clarification.

The glasses I like are the blue ones. They are also shaped as wayfarers, but the brand is differente. Anyways, they look great. I can see fine with them almost straight away, but after a few minutes I almost forget I'm wearing them.

As for driving, I am a cautious driver, and I prefer to stick to my correct prescription while doing it. As I said, I can see well wearing them, but everything looks smaller, and I don't want to risk myself or others wearing an incorrect prescription. I like to play with glasses and having fun, but I don't want any risk. For that reason, I won't make these my everyday glasses. I'll wear them often, but not for driving.

Yes, the sellers, actually, because I bought every pair for a different girl, knew well the prescriptions, as both were their old glasses, which they didn't use anymore because their prescriptions changed. They didn't had astigmatism, neither have it now, they assured to me.

Yes, it is the first time I buy glasses this way. I ordered a couple of pairs online last year, but they were from shops, not used. I like the feeling of wearing these glasses that belonged to other people, so I probably buy another pair or more in the future. For now, I have these two to enjoy!


Maybe I'll take a look, thanks for the invite!

antonio 07 May 2016, 14:18

Hi Maria,

if you like come into the

there we discuss such questions as yours online.

Many who read or write in this forum are there from time to time

best regards,


Soundmanpt 07 May 2016, 11:17


So you got your first glasses when you were around 27 years old and your prescription has hardly changed at all in the past 3 years. Now that your 30 it is doubtful that you will have any further change in your vision. So as you are finding out, you can wear your flea market glasses as much as you wish without causing any change in your own eyesight. You seem to have fallen in love with these glasses? Are the Wayfarer style glasses or the blue the ones? When you first out them on how long does it take for your eyes to adjust to them? Are you able to drive wearing them or do you just wear your actual prescription glasses until you get where your going and then switch the the other glasses? I would assume that once you have wore them all day long driving back home wearing them wouldn't be any problem at all sine your eyes would already be fully adjusted to them. Since you seem to really enjoy wearing them are you considering making them your everyday glasses?

Okay so the seller knew what the prescription was on the glasses you bought and seemed sure that they didn't have any astigmatism in the lenses. Chances are if you had asked about the PD that they likely wouldn't know that anyway. Is this the first time you have bought used glasses from a flea market or thrift store? Will you be looking for more glasses on the flea market website in the future?

María 07 May 2016, 06:59

Oh, sorry for double posting. I swear I don't know what happened!

María 07 May 2016, 06:58

Soundmanpt, thanks for your answer!

No, these aren't my first glasses. I have been wearing glasses for driving for a while, 3 years I believe. I started with -0.50 in both eyes, and then my right eye changed a bit, 8 months ago. So these are my second, but they are pretty similar to the first.

I am 30 y/o, so I guess the capacity of wearing overcorrection as you say is still here xD.

The prescription of the used glasses, the people that sold them to me gave me it, as in this market you talk directly with the seller. I asked them if if had astigmatism correction and they assured me that they don't. Didn't ask about pupilar measures because I didn't want to sound weird xD. Also, if I hold the glasses in front of a line, it doesn't appear "twisted" so I guess that means no astigmatism.

To be able to tolerate the stronger glasses it is good indeed. I'm falling in love with those glasses, and be able to wear them for a while is great. I went to the city last week and wore them all day long without any problem, it was rather fun.

María 07 May 2016, 06:58

Soundmanpt, thanks for your answer!

No, these aren't my first glasses. I have been wearing glasses for driving for a while, 3 years I believe. I started with -0.50 in both eyes, and then my right eye changed a bit, 8 months ago. So these are my second, but they are pretty similar to the first.

I am 30 y/o, so I guess the capacity of wearing overcorrection as you say is still here xD.

The prescription of the used glasses, the people that sold them to me gave me it, as in this market you talk directly with the seller. I asked them if if had astigmatism correction and they assured me that they don't. Didn't ask about pupilar measures because I didn't want to sound weird xD. Also, if I hold the glasses in front of a line, it doesn't appear "twisted" so I guess that means no astigmatism.

To be able to tolerate the stronger glasses it is good indeed. I'm falling in love with those glasses, and be able to wear them for a while is great. I went to the city last week and wore them all day long without any problem, it was rather fun.

Soundmanpt 07 May 2016, 05:52


As long as your certain that both the pairs of glasses you bought doesn't have any astigmatism correction and are strictly SPH correction I think your most likely correct that it's the PD in the weaker glasses that aren't a good match for your eyes. Really with that much over correction in both pairs it would be understanding that reading small print with either pair might be somewhat of a challenge to your eyes. So the fact that your eyes are able to adapt so easily to the stronger glasses and you can wear them for long periods of time and even read small print without any problem is a little surprising but a good thing for you since you enjoy wearing stronger glasses for fun. You commented that your own prescription is -.50 / -.75 as of 8 months ago. So I would assume that was when you first got glasses as well? Because your able to wear so much over correction it would seem to indicate that your somewhat young? How did you find out what the prescription of the glasses you bought from the flea market was and that thye didn't have any astigmatism in them? Did you take them to and optical store and have the prescription read off the lenses?

María 07 May 2016, 05:23


I've been reading this forum for a while, but this is the first time I post, because I have a little question and maybe anyone here can give me an answer, because it is driving me crazy. xD

You know how nowadays these "online flea market" phone apps are getting popular. I recently bought a few used glasses, because I wanted to own some pairs with their "own stories", to say so. I like that feeling.

Anyways, my prescription is -0.50 -0.75, my last eye test was like 8 months ago. I wear my glasses to drive and not much more, but sometimes I like to wear stronger glasses in places where nobody knows me. That's why I bought these used glasses.

I received the glasses, bought from two different persons. Both are similar in size and style, a pair of turtleshell Ray Ban Wayfarers and a pair of blue ones with a very similar shape, but from other brand. One pair is -2.25 -2.50, the other is -3.75 in both eyes. No astigmatism in either pair.

The thing is, the lower prescription ones give me a little headache after a while, and make reading up close a little harder. I guess that is normal. But, when I put the -3.75 ones, my eyes quickly adapt, I'm able to wear them for long periods of time without any ache, and I can read better than with the other glasses! So, my question is, how is that possible?

The stronger glasses have reduced thickness lenses, while the weaker ones don't. Is this the reason? Is it related to the pupilar distance? I'm going insane, because I can't understand it. Any explanation, please?

Cactus Jack 07 May 2016, 05:21


Thank you for your reply. That is very helpful. I won't have time today to do much more than this. Among other things that keep me off the streets is that I am involved with the technical aspects of keeping a 90 year old Wurlitzer Theater Pipe Organ, playing. I expect to be tied up all day getting the organ ready for a Video Shoot on Monday. The organ is the last playing Theater Pipe Organ in a public venue in southeast Texas.

BTW, the typical cause of multiple posts is the usual slow response to your Submit request. Because of the slow response, most people will "press" the Submit button more than one time, thinking that the previous press, touch, or click did not "take". I don't know how it works on your phone, but on my computer, the Submit button goes to reverse video with a blue background when the name of the site and your "press" is accepted. The trick seems to be press, touch, or click ONE TIME and be patient.


That is excellent advice. I believe that prescribing, fitting, and making glasses with prism is almost a lost art, primarily because of the prevalence of eye muscle surgery. Unfortunately, muscle surgery is not always the solution because Strabismus can have more sources of double vision problems than just "Muscle Imbalance". Double vision can be caused by Cranial Nerve problems and problems in the brain with the Eye Positioning Control System, just to mention two.

It is very hard to find an ECP who really understands and has experience dealing with prism as a means of correction. It takes extra time and often several remakes of the glasses to get it right. More later.


Jared 07 May 2016, 03:22

@ Neil,

I was interested to read your posts about discomfort with close work. I have had a similar experience over the years in that the addition of prism provides almost instant pain relief. I have about 11 base out of prism now and I've already had surgery for 25 base out of prism.

It always feels as if its an accommodation issue but its been proved over and over that more prism has been what's required.

I've attended hospital a number of times for vison therapy and surgery as mentioned, but I have never really been in a position where close work is comfortable except for a few months after getting an increase in prism.

I have struggled to find opticians that really understand how to correctly measure and prescribe prism, as well as correctly make the lenses. I would recommend seeking a second opinion (typically independent Opticians). When you find someone who can prescribe a prescription that gives you some relief it is a revelation.

Neil 07 May 2016, 00:15

No idea why that triple posted.

The site doesn't like my phone. Sorry about that.

Neil 07 May 2016, 00:13

Hello again,

I'm an architect, so I am degree educated and have an amount of engineering knowledge. I live in England.

I'm happy for you to be as technical as you need to be. If I don't understand any terms I can look them up.

I've read Ben Hogan's book on golf. He was asked why he'd used obtuse terms in his book and whether he was worried his reader wouldn't understand his meaning. He replied, "they can look the terms up". I'm all for that.

Thanks for your time.

Neil 07 May 2016, 00:13

Hello again,

I'm an architect, so I am degree educated and have an amount of engineering knowledge. I live in England.

I'm happy for you to be as technical as you need to be. If I don't understand any terms I can look them up.

I've read Ben Hogan's book on golf. He was asked why he'd used obtuse terms in his book and whether he was worried his reader wouldn't understand his meaning. He replied, "they can look the terms up". I'm all for that.

Thanks for your time.

Neil 07 May 2016, 00:13

Hello again,

I'm an architect, so I am degree educated and have an amount of engineering knowledge. I live in England.

I'm happy for you to be as technical as you need to be. If I don't understand any terms I can look them up.

I've read Ben Hogan's book on golf. He was asked why he'd used obtuse terms in his book and whether he was worried his reader wouldn't understand his meaning. He replied, "they can look the terms up". I'm all for that.

Thanks for your time.

Cactus Jack 06 May 2016, 10:24


That was a clever use of available resources. Fatigue can play a role in the need for prism correction. There is even a condition called Fatigue Esophoria, which is more common than most people think.

May I ask a few more questions?

1. What is your Educational Background and Occupation? (helps me phrase my answerers)

2. Where do you live? (helps me offer suggestions that are "doable" where you live)

The cover/uncover test is used to spot eye twitches as the brain tries to fuse images. It is good for screening, but it does not give the Eye Positioning Control System (EPCS) time to "relax" when presented with rapidly changing image positions. I think I can help you understand how the EPCS works, but I need the answer to question 1. My background is Electronic Engineering and to me, it works like what is called an Open Loop Servo System. It is an amazing system, technically, but I want to use language that is meaningful to you. The more you understand about how this stuff works, the better decisions you can make about solutions.


Soundmanpt 06 May 2016, 09:40


Sorry to hear that you don't have your glasses yet. Did they say how long it would take to get your glasses when you ordered them? Generally most places say about a week and often times call to say their ready even sooner. Your co-worker is about right with what he told you about your getting new glasses. Without a doubt your going to notice more of a difference when you put your new glasses on than you do now when you put your current glasses on. You are going to be amazed at the clarity and brightness they will provide your eyes. Like he says as your eyes get adjusted to your glasses you won't notice the crispness as much. As far as your possibly needing an additional increase of -.25 or -.50 in 6 - 12 months I can only say anythings possible and you probably should get your eyes examined in 12 months anyway. But considering that you went for 3 years wearing your -.50 glasses and you only got an increase of -.50 which by most standards is considered a small increase considering that most people get at least that much and more in just one year I think your eyes held up very well. So it could be you might need a very small increase in the next year, not 6 months, or it could be you might not need another increase for 3 years if at all. A lot depends on your age. If your nearing being in your 20's you actually should be getting close to the average age where your eyes could soon start becoming completely stable. As far as driving without your glasses or not being able to pass the DMV vision test when you go to pick up your glasses just ask if you need to wear your glasses for driving and they can easily look on your chart and tell what line you last were able to see during the eye exam. I honestly don't think you were able to see the 20/40 at all. Maybe some of the 20/50 line. Most likely I think once you get your glasses and start wearing them your probably very quickly going to decide that you need to wear your glasses whenever your driving now. look at it this way. Your not required now to wear glasses when you drive but when you got your -.50 you must have found that they really helped you see better when you were driving at night so you make a point of wearing them when your driving at night even though your not required to. So until you need to renew your driver's license it won't be on your license again but you will know if you need to be wearing them or not. Besides I really don't think you want to be out there driving if your vision is blurry which it will be once your eyes get adjusted to your glasses. One thing I will recommend to you now that your sure to be wearing glasses more often if not full time is that you might want to consider getting prescription sunglasses. This is something you can get and not pay an arm and leg for. If and when your interested let me know. You can get really nice rx sunglasses for under $20.00 as well as regular glasses if you were to want 2nd pair. When you have some time checkout ( When you pick up your glasses you should ask for a written copy of your full prescription as well as what your PD is. With that information you will have all you need to order glasses on line.

Sally 06 May 2016, 04:10

I did not get my glasses yet, but was talking with a co-worker about my situation. He said that when I get them I will be amazed at the clarity and brightness, but that the crispness will dissipate over time as I get used to them. He expects that if I wear them full time for a week or so I won't want to go without them. He says that in 6-12 months I might want another exam to add .25 or .50 to restore the crispness. Is it forgone a conclusion that -1.00 means that I can't pass DMV without?

Neil 06 May 2016, 01:42

Hi Cactus Jack,

I found it and tried it this morning, I will try later as well as usually it gets worse towards the end of the day.

I measured 20 dioptres on the measure - I was sat 3 metres away, so this was 60cm displacement.

This happened to be easy to measure because I have an unplastered wall an the boards are 120cm across and were already marked vertically at 60cm for the studs, so coincidentally the displacement lined up with half the width of the boards.

I tried it on a bare wall, to make sure I wasn't being somehow led by the markings on the wall and I got the same measure.

That seems very high to me? I don't think I want rid of the prism if this is the case. The optician didn't even measure my prism, she did a cover/uncover test.


Cactus Jack 05 May 2016, 14:29


I posted the Simple Prism Test on the Vision and Spex site under:

Vision / Special lenses . . .


November 16, 2013

Depending on how you have your preferences set, you may have to go to the 2nd or 3rd screen to find it. Please let me know if you have any trouble finding it or need any clarification.


Soundmanpt 05 May 2016, 12:53


Do you have your glasses or are you waiting for them to come in? If you already find that your -.50 glasses are helpful to you then I am sure your going to find that your new glasses are going to be even more help to you. The only think I can say for sure is that you positively is that once you get your glasses you need to start wearing them whenever your driving. At -1.00 your eyesight is worse than 20/40 which is the passing mark to drive without vision correction. Other than that it is completely up to you when you wear your glasses. But I think "Maxim" is about correct in what he said you likely will find that your going to be wearing your glasses for. Mostly it is going to be what your comfortable with. Chances are at first you may not wear them all that much but the more you start wearing them the more your going to probably going to like how much better your able to see with your glasses. And of course do let us know once you get your new glasses how your adjusting to them.

neil 05 May 2016, 12:40

Thanks Cactus Jack for your response.

In answer to your questions:

4. I'm holding off on that for now.

5. Yes, I'll give that a try - would you be able to point me where can I find instructions?



Sally 05 May 2016, 07:29

I am leery about crossing that border of needing to wear glasses full time. I have enjoyed the option of wearing glasses when I want, and was relieved last year when I was able to pass the DMV without a glasses restriction. I am coming to realize that I can "see" ok without glasses but cannot read distance clearly without them unless the signs are big. I presume that when I get the new -1.00 glasses (tomorrow?)and begin to wear them it won't be long till I lose the "wearing option." Will let you know.

Cactus Jack 04 May 2016, 13:25


The post with your prescription is somewhat confusing, but Hyperopia and Presbyopia can be confusing. A couple of points.

1. The need for prism usually does not cause headaches, it usually causes double vision.

2. I suspect the headache is more likely caused by focusing effort without your glasses.

3. I am having trouble figuring out how you need less Sphere PLUS in your new prescription. It is possible that you have some Latent Hyperopia, which involves the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses compensating long term Hyperopia. Usually when they relax, PLUS Sphere in the glasses increases as the glasses take over more of the Hyperopia correction.

4. Have you ordered or received your new glasses?

5. I think you should consider a dilated refraction by a different ECP. However, before you do, would you be interested in performing my Simple Prism Test? It is pretty easy to do and uses Sir Isaac Newton's definition of a Prism Diopter. It is surprisingly accurate.

6. With your prescription, I don't think Mono Vision will work,


Neil 04 May 2016, 02:46

Thanks Maxim,

I am 40, so definitely presbyopia is kicking in.

The removal of 3 base out prism in each eye seems strange. When trying the multifocal contact lens (I believe that's called mono vision), I couldn't give it a fair try because the lack of prism meant that I got a headache.

I think maybe a second opinion is worth it. I get that the optician is trying to free me from the need for glasses, but I think I'd rather have the comfort of easy vision, without headaches!

Maxim 03 May 2016, 14:36

to Neil:

For distance vision, you say, you're wearing them permanently. I should say, you might (might ...!) not need them, if you wrére less than 30 yrs. old - but surely (I see this from the reading ADD) you are mid-thirty. So it*s fine, that you use them permanently.

For near vision (especially for fine print) I feel, that there is no way, reading or doing near work without glasses. Your nearest focus point is now further away than your arms' length!

Also my best wishes to you!

Maxim 03 May 2016, 14:28

to Sally:

I think, you have crossed now the border, where you don't want to go without now (for every out door activity as shopping, driving etc.). Only at home in your four walls, where you know everything, you will not need them, but already looking at the tele you will see the difference!

My best wishes!

Soundmanpt 03 May 2016, 08:17


I think what they were looking for was sharpness and not really brightness. In other words which lens option made your eyesight crisp and sharp. Brightness is a part of it but not not as important. Considering it has been at least 3 years since you last had your eyes checked your eyes really didn't change all that much even though your glasses are now twice as strong as your first ones. As you stated your first glasses were probably more helpful to you with driving at night but could have been wore for other things that you needed or wanted clear vision for such as sporting events and concerts where you were sitting a good distance away. Now i'm sure you wouldn't pass the DMV's vision test for driving without your glasses. So that is the major difference for you is that now you really do need to start wearing your glasses for driving day or night. Otherwise it is up to you when you might want to wear your glasses. If you like how you look wearing your glasses and always want to see things clearly then you might want to wear your glasses full time. The best way to decide is to try wearing your glasses full time for a week to see how you feel about continuing to wear them full time. It's not in any way going to do any harm to your eyes to wear your glasses full time. It will not in anyway cause your eyes to worsen. You didn't say if you already have your new glasses or not? How do you feel about wearing glasses has a lot to do with it.

neil 03 May 2016, 06:01

Just had a test. I came out with a prescription weaker than before and no prism (it had been 6 dioptres).

I tried a concentric contact lens in one eye, which was very strange indeed... not sure I could get on with it, but 30 mins isn't long to make a decision.

My old prescription was:

R: +.75, -.25, 21, +1 ADD

L: +1.25, -.50, 165, + 1 ADD

RPrism: 3.00 Out

LPrism: 3.00 Out.

Today's prescription was:

R: +.50, -.25, 45, +1.50 ADD

L: +.75, -.50, 165, + 1.50 ADD

RPrism: n/a

LPrism: n/a

I wear my glasses full time and not wearing them for 30 mins while trying the contact lens gave me a headache.

Do you think I should push on the prism? I did tell the optician, but she felt I could do without.

Sally 03 May 2016, 02:47

I had a pair of weak distance glasses that I usually only used for night driving. They were only -.50 and I lost them. So before replacing them (after 3 years) I decided to get an exam to find out if there was any change. It was interesting during the exam to see all the changes in lenses and telling which was better. I had no idea what effect my answers had. When she was done, she let me look through both eyes and asked which was better, 1 or 2. I told her I could see the letters better on the one with the brighter background, although I could see all the letters either way. She responded "I thought so". She wrote a new prescription for -1.00. What does the brightness of the background have to to with determining a prescription? Will I have to or want to wear these all the time?

Cactus Jack 01 May 2016, 08:45


I was wondering how your children are getting along with their glasses.

I am particularly interested in how Trenton is doing. I suspect his vision without correction is so poor that it may affect his development. However, you caught the problem early enough that he can probably catch up pretty quickly. Is he trying to walk and talk yet?


Michael 29 Apr 2016, 09:51

Soundmanpt- I think you are right. As they say you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Chris beats to her own drum for sure. She has been told by an eye care professional what she should do but still isn't doing it. But I don't ride with her very often thank goodness.I am independent and have my own car. And if we go out together most of the time we take my car and I drive. I don't have an optical restriction on my license either but I wouldn't think of driving without wearing glasses whether or not I could pass a DMV vision screening if CT had one.

But she has nerve criticizing my driving always saying I drive too slow. But one thing I will not do is drive on the highway.If it is a place where you need to go on the highway I won't drive there.Most of my driving is local. The only time I will generally ride with her is if we go a place I don't want to drive to. And that doesn't happen very often. And I know I told you about when she brought me to the hospital two years ago when I was having surgery. The hospital was no more than 10 minutes from where we live and she had gone there many times yet found a way to get lost because she can't see. It was very early in the morning and was still dark out. I really wasn't paying attention and then when I saw where she was I said to Chris where you are going so then I had to tell her how to get to the hospital from where we were. And she drove my car. It might have been easier for me to drive my car to the hospital and then she could drive home when it was light out and actually might be able to see more than when it was dark.

And Chris told me she loves driving on the highway which makes no sense considering her vision. So I guess she is just the opposite of me.Chris is either stubborn or stupid and probably both. I don't like calling my best friend stupid but she really is about this. I want to help her but she clearly doesn't want my help or advice or anybody else's either.

Soundmanpt 29 Apr 2016, 09:03


Sorry to have to tell you but your fighting a battle your not going to win. You can't help those that don't want to be helped and she is clearly one that doesn't want to be helped. You have given way too much time worrying about her and there comes a time when you simply say "Screw it" you are well past that point with her. Time to stop worrying about her and just go about with your own life. I would only suggest that if you don't want to die you might not want to to a passenger when she is driving. You know you have the option to simply tell her that if she doesn't start wearing her glasses, her prescription glasses, you don't care to ride with her anymore. If she is really your friend she should at least honor your request and and wear her glasses if she wants you in the car beside her.

Michael 28 Apr 2016, 23:04

An update on Chris. She did not go get her glasses adjusted yesterday like she was supposed to. Now I wonder if there is even a problem with her glasses being tight behind her ear. It may be an excuse to not wear her glasses. And yesterday afternoon it was cloudy here in CT and Chris was wearing her sunglasses to drive home. I know because when she got home the sunglasses were on top of her head. Maybe somebody here can educate me but why would anybody wear sunglasses on a cloudy day? And it was completely cloudy so there was no glare. Honestly I don't get it. Wouldn't the sunglasses make her poor vision even worse when wearing them to drive on a cloudy day?

And if she isn't planning to wear her glasses much why invest 250.00 in new glasses that cost over 800.00? And she had to borrow money from her 401 K to pay for her glasses. If I was her I might not have even gone for an eye exam and just stuck with the over the counter readers she had been using or if I got glasses I would have just gotten what her insurance paid for.The one thing Chris has been good about is she is keeping her glasses in the case which is a first for her. But they would do her much more good if she kept them on her face instead.

Michael 26 Apr 2016, 17:19

Soundmanpt-I have been doing a lot of research on contact lenses and read something else I didn't know. Contact lenses and smoking do not mix. And Chris is a smoker. Since Chris is a smoker that is another strike against her. She has probably six strikes against her as far as getting contacts. Dry eyes, sensitive eyes, needing multi focal lenses, being a smoker and also the cost. I am sure it would cost her more money out of pocket to get contact lenses than it did for glasses. And she doesn't make a lot of money. That is one of the reasons we share an apartment as neither of us could afford one alone. I am on a fixed income being on SSDI. And even though Chris works full time she doesn't make much more than minimum salary. I don't think she could afford contacts. As it was she had to borrow money from her 401 K to pay for her glasses.And I also believe she would have difficulty putting contacts in and taking them out. I read everyplace it is easy but the words easy and Chris can never be in the same sentence. Trust me I know. I have known this woman for nine years and lived with her for over five. I can't tell you how often she asks me to fix something particularly stuff with electronic devices. She would constantly mute her MP3 player and ask me to fix it. And no matter how many times I showed her what to do it didn't register in her brain. And if she ever got contacts I couldn't help her like I can with other things because of my hands. So she would completely be on her own. I am thinking the next time she messes up the TV or the TV remote I should maybe leave it up to her to fix it.

Do you think it is an exaggeration when I read that almost anybody can be fitted for contacts no matter what the person's eye problem or eye problems are? Now with contacts being made of so many different materials people with either dry or sensitive eyes are supposed to be able to wear them. But I am not so sure about that. What do you think will happen if she tells her doctor next year she wants contacts? Might he try to discourage her? Or will he try to find contacts that will work for her?If Chris can figure out how to put them in and take them out and that is a huge assumption I don't think she could tolerate wearing them for very long. And there is no doubt in my mind she would try the on and off thing with her contacts like she does with her glasses. And when she is not wearing her contacts she will then try to go bare eyed. She thinks she will be able to ditch her glasses for good. If Chris can't tolerate a dilated eye exam which she can't how will she tolerate contact lenses? She complains that her vision is blurry after they put the drops in but her vision may already be pretty blurry without the drops so that is her problem. I know when I go for my eye exam when it is a sunny day I make sure I ask for the shades to put on my glasses so I can drive. And last year on my way home I stopped at Burger King since it is on the way and walked in wearing the shades and since the workers know me because I go there all the time I let them know why I was wearing shades.But I have to admit it felt kind of spooky walking in there wearing shades. Like it was night with the lights dimmed. And without fail it is always a bright sunny day when I go to the eye doctor.So I can give you the weather forecast right now for CT on August 19.

And Chris did not make it to the eye doctor today. She wasn't feeling well so didn't go to work. And they are closed tomorrow so she will go Thursday after work. She seems to be having problems going to get the glasses adjusted. That is why she should have gone yesterday like she had planned because it was her day off. I can understand her not wanting to wear her glasses much if they hurt behind her ear. But will she wear them once they get adjusted? I hope the doctor says something to her again about driving home wearing her glasses. Last time she told me she couldn't even figure out how to get out of the parking lot. If she was wearing her glasses that might have helped don't you think? I see no reason why she can't safely drive home wearing her glasses especially if it is a cloudy day.And even if the sun is out she should still be able to manage. I never drive wearing sunglasses. So that is why whenever I go the eye doctor especially if it is a sunny day I will ask for the shades to put over my glasses.

Chris seems to be sending a lot of mixed signals. She is telling people she can't see and needs to wear glasses full time yet hasn't done so yet. I hope she isn't saying the glasses are too tight as a smoke screen to avoid wearing them. But if they are really tight I can see why it would be hard for her to wear them for any length of time. Wearing the glasses driving home would be a good start and then when she gets home just keep them on. No need to take them off. And she told me when she got the glasses and the doctor had her read a paragraph and also some letters in the distance how clear everything was. So I am sure they got her prescription right. I want to give Chris the benefit of the doubt and say she will wear the glasses after they get adjusted but I don't know. And she has already told people she got new glasses which she is supposed to wear full time So shouldn't that avoid a lot of questions? Most people who write here don't want to say anything at all to their family or friends about getting glasses. But Chris has already told a bunch of people. Why would anybody want to live in blur when glasses can help them see clearly? I hope her problem now is the glasses are not comfortable but I can't ever figure Chris out.

But Chris wearing contacts would be a disaster. I would bet every dollar I have it wouldn't work out.Besides all the other issues I brought up I don't think she would take proper care of them. Chris doesn't like to do things that take either time or effort. And to save money I bet she would try to use disposable contacts if those were the ones prescribed a few days in a row instead of disposing of them. I might have a better chance of playing baseball for the Yankees than Chris being able to wear contacts. And trust me. I don't think I will be playing baseball for the Yankees anytime soon.At least not in this lifetime.

One more question about Chris' vision. My guess is her distance vision will probably not change much if at all unless she develops other eye problems like cataracts or glaucoma. Do you agree? But she may at some point need a slightly more powerful add. Right now she is at +2.00 so I can see her getting to +2.50.I am at +2.50 but I am 62 soon to be 63. Chris is 54 and I think her add is in line with her age. And Cactus Jack has written many times most people can get by with a 2.50 add once all the elasticity in their eyes is gone and never more than +3.00 and that is because they hold their reading material closer than the average person does.Do you agree with my assessment?

Michael 25 Apr 2016, 23:28

Likelenses-You know what would be funny. If Chris and I went out to dinner and she took out both her contacts and dentures and after we were done eating went to the car and then she realized she left both of them in the restaurant and then went back in to get them and found they were gone. Thrown in the garbage when they cleared the table.I might not be able to stop laughing even though Chris wouldn't think it was very funny. You know who Chris reminds me of. A Lucille Ball type character. Back on her old TV shows she got herself into some situations you wouldn't think could ever happen in real life. But my Chris is capable of doing some of the things Lucy did on TV. If I ever have time to write the book I will make sure I will arrange for you to get a copy.I couldn't make up this stuff even if I wanted to.

I don't know how much of what Chris does is vision related. I have jokingly referred to her to some of my family as Mrs. Magoo. And you should see how she makes coffee. I have no clue what she does because I am usually sleeping when she gets up in the morning. She has a Mr. Coffee and I get up after she leaves for work and every morning the kitchen counter is a complete mess. There is sugar and coffee both on the kitchen counter. And sometime it gets under the microwave oven. And often I clean it up because leaving it like that might attract some unwelcome guests. Sugar in particular is hard to clean up being so sticky. And one day last week I had to take the microwave oven off the counter so I could clean the mess under the microwave. A combo of sugar and coffee. I wonder what her problem is.Can't she see what she is doing? Nobody can be that careless. Whoever taught her how to make coffee didn't do a very good job. And all she has is maybe one or two cups of coffee in the morning. Even with my bad hands and not wearing my glasses I know I could make coffee better than she does. It would be almost impossible for anybody else to create such a mess making one or two cups of coffee. There may be more coffee and sugar on the counter than she actually drinks.

Chris is also a messy eater. I can be messy too because of the CP but what is her excuse?It may be a combination of not being able to see along with not paying attention to what she is doing. Everything seems so difficult for Chris to do even things that would be simple for most people. It does frustrate me with some of the things she does. I do wonder if she would find things easier to do if she just put on her glasses. Her eye care professional has advised her she needs to wear her glasses full time if she wants to be able to see.She has had her new glasses since last Thursday but has not worn them much because she said they are too tight behind the ear. She is supposed to go get them adjusted after work today and hopefully she will do that. And actually begin wearing them. She will never get used to the progressive lenses unless she actually wears the glasses.

And I can't believe her glasses without insurance would have cost over 800.00. She had to pay about 250.00 out of pocket. I almost flipped out when she told me that. My last glasses which are also progressives cost 285.00 back in 2014. She should have been able to get a very functional pair of glasses for much less than 800.00 even if she didn't order them online which is always an option. Her glasses cost way more than twice as much as mine did. Unbelievable. And mine are fine and meet my needs. I wasn't there with her when she went for the eye exam but do wonder what made her buy such an expensive pair of glasses. And not sure she will even wear them much. I don't think I will ever figure out how Chris' mind works. She does a lot of things that honestly don't make any sense at all to me. And she borrowed money from her 401 K so that is why she had the 250.00 to pay for her glasses.

Likelenses 25 Apr 2016, 21:11


In one of your recent posts you mentioned that Chris may think that being a part time denture wearer,may make her think that she can also be a part time contact lense wearer.

I instantly had the visual picture of your story of Chris putting her dentures on the dinner table,and I pictured her also removing her contacts,and placing them on the table next to the dentures.

Again,I almost fell out of my chair laughing!

MIchael 25 Apr 2016, 18:16

Cactus Jack-Thank you so much for your quick reply. I am going to try not to worry about this too much. I will see what happens when I visit my ophthalmologist in August. Hopefully I will never need any treatment and if I do it will be far into the future and by then there will even be more treatment options available than there are now. At what point do they usually recommend treatment? If my ophthalmologist ever suggests drops I will let her know about my situation and tell her I don't think I can physically do it.And then see what she says. I did check out Google so that does give some hope that there may be an alternative to the drops. And yes the drops have to be administered correctly for them to work.

My hands are pretty bad but I have found a way to compensate and can do a lot of things but things involving fine dexterity especially are next to impossible. I know I drove my mother crazy as a young kid because it was difficult for her to teach me how to do things like zip a zipper, button a coat and tie my shoes. Even to this day I can't tie my shoes the way most people do. And I can't do things like use a lighter, a manual can opener or thread a needle. And I like my desktop computer. I bought a brand new All In One about a year ago. Occasionally I will use my roommate Chris' laptop mostly when she has a computer issue she wants me to look at but much prefer an external keyboard.I can use the built in keyboard on a laptop but it is more difficult.I also have a Kindle Fire but mostly use apps on it because the touch screen keyboard is more difficult for me to use even though I can do it if I take my time. But generally when I search the Internet I will use my desktop. I can text on my cell phone if I have to but am very slow and only do so to send very short messages. I much prefer e-mail. That is easier for me to do.

But as for eye drops I think it would be very difficult if not impossible for me to do it. When I pick up a glass I have to hold it tightly because my hand shakes. And if I am tense or nervous it is even worse. In school I did have difficulty doing a few things because of the CP. I remember when I took biology in 10th grade and when we had to dissect a frog my partner had to do all the work. I felt bad I couldn't do it. And when I was in junior high I had to take industrial arts and could almost do nothing.Art class was also difficult. And in physical education class I could do some things but not others. But I never was in a special class at school.Some people who have CP are also retarded and I never was retarded even though when I went to school kids used to often tease me and call me a retard. Junior high was the worst as far as the teasing went.But by the time I got to high school it just about stopped and the kids pretty much left me alone.

And I hated typing class in junior high. I couldn't type the right way on a keyboard because of my hands. And even now I am pretty much a one finger typist but I can still type relatively quickly considering. And I am not good with knives trying to cut things. Even cutting a piece of meat is difficult though I can do it.

 25 Apr 2016, 17:42


Cactus Jack 25 Apr 2016, 16:50


I suggest you check out Glaucoma Treatment on Google. Drugs, administered as drops, are not the only treatments for Glaucoma to improve drainage and relieve internal pressures. Drugs are typically the first treatment, but they must be used as prescribed for maximum effectiveness. There is considerable research into treatments for Glaucoma, because so many people have it and you are not the only person to have trouble administering drops. There are some tips on administering drops with shaky hands on the Glaucoma Research Foundation website. If you are unable to administer the drops, there may be an alternative available by the time you actually need it. Maybe there will even be an oral medication by then.


Michael 25 Apr 2016, 15:24

I have been writing a lot about Chris but now I am writing about myself. There is something that is starting to worry me about my vision. My sister lives out of state but I do talk to her about once a month to let her know how things are going. And I let her know about my eyes how I went for my annual exam in February but have to go back in August because my glaucoma readings have been on the higher side.My doctor did the test twice. First time it was OD 22 OS 20. 2nd time OD was 21 and OS was 22. On my report it says glaucoma suspect. Borderline IOP.And my sister told me she has to do drops which makes me very very nervous. My fear is one day they will tell me I have to do drops too and I don't think I can deal with that.I was born with CP and have very poor dexterity in my hands especially things involving fine dexterity. Physically I don't think I can do it. And I don't think Chris can help me with this either. She works all day and is klutzy too plus is very impatient so she would make me very nervous.And I don't have anybody else who could help me. Would there be another possible treatment other than drops? And what would the pressure readings have to be before they would want to do drops? My readings this time were higher than they were in August. Back then it was 16 in each eye. This is starting to worry me a lot especially after what my sister told me. I knew she was being monitored for glaucoma but didn't know she was doing drops.

Michael 25 Apr 2016, 14:40

I have a dumb question. If somebody purchased contact lenses and they didn't work as expected and the person wasn't happy with them what would happen? Would you be out the money you paid for them or might they give you a credit you can use on something else like prescription glasses or prescription sunglasses?

Michael 25 Apr 2016, 14:10

Soundmanpt- Agree with you 100% about the trolls.If you neglect them they will eventually go away. But the cutest comment was the one that no women look good in glasses and Chris should get Lasik. Great but who will pay for it? Maybe that person should offer to pay.

So I was right that the PD for an adult doesn't change and to include both the cylinder and axis numbers if I order prescription sunglasses for Chris. That is what I thought but wanted to confirm it. For me if I ever decided to order glasses online it might be the easiest just to get my PD from the place I bought my glasses instead of trying to measure it myself.

Getting to Chris again I guess I could measure either her regular glasses or non prescription sunglasses. Her sunglasses are really cheap. She either bought them at Wal Mart or a drug store. I doubt they cost even as much as 10 dollars.

Chris said she doesn't want to go out today. It is her day off so she will go after work tomorrow to get her glasses adjusted. I asked her if she needed to make an appointment and she said no. Just have to hope she goes. She did put her glasses on for a short time this morning and she wasn't reading. Which I find interesting. But she took them off after about 10 minutes or so. And she did the same thing yesterday. What do you make of that? She has to realize she sees much better with her glasses than without. Which gives me hope that once her glasses get adjusted she will start wearing them a lot more. Maybe not 100% full time but much more than she has in the past. And the more she wears her glasses the harder it will be for her to get by without wearing them.Which eventually will make driving without them next to impossible. That is what I want to happen and it is much better if she figures it out on her own. If I push her too much to wear her glasses it may have the direct opposite effect and she may almost never wear them. I think she is fighting herself right now. She already has told a bunch of people her eyes are very bad and she is supposed to wear her glasses all day so if she shows up someplace wearing glasses she can avoid answering a lot of questions if the people already know. And before she was in complete denial about her vision and would tell people she only needs glasses to read small print. But her eyes have been bad for a long time at least since we began living together over 5 years ago. I did ask her when she got her first pair of readers and she said when she was about 40. Back then her distance vision was probably fine or at least a lot better than it is now. When I first met Chris at Wal Mart she was 45 and using over the counter readers. Now Chris is 54 years old.

I always have wondered what makes people decide to wear their glasses full time when they were formerly part time wearers. My guess is they realize they see much better with their glasses than without and the more you wear them the harder it becomes to go without them.

Chris did tell me they asked her if she was planning to drive home wearing her glasses after she picked them up last week and she told them no. But she also admitted to me she got messed up getting out of the parking lot. I don't know what she did but she may have tried to exit in the lane you should enter. She isn't that familiar with the place being the first time she went there.

Chris may have never been involved in a serious auto accident but I think she is playing with fire. Not good to be driving when you see as poorly as she does. I wish I knew what her uncorrected vision is in both eyes. She said something about 20/70 but I don't know if that is her good or bad eye. But whatever her vision is not good enough to drive safely without corrective lenses. If her good eye is 20/70 that is very bad. But it does appear her good eye which is her right is slightly weaker now than it was two years ago if you look at her scripts. I don't have her script right in front of me now but her sphere went from +1.00 to +1.50 I believe with her cylinder number being pretty much the same. And I have no idea if she sees better or worse than I do. And I wear my glasses full time. And Cactus Jack told me two years ago it is impossible to compare scripts between two people to try to figure out who sees better. Because a lot of things factor into visual accuity.

There have been several incidents involving Chris and driving over the last several years. I told you about my interesting trip when she drove me to the hospital because I was having surgery. And last year she wanted to treat me to lunch because I did her taxes so she suggested a place close to where she works. She went there before but I didn't. I looked it up to see exactly where it was on the Berlin Turnpike in CT. I asked her if she wanted to drive or if she wanted me to. She said you drive so I said OK. I know where the Berlin Turnpike is because that is where the store she works at is. But I was not that familiar with the part of the Berlin Turnpike where the restaurant was. I knew what side it was on because she told me plus I knew by the address. I then told Chris you look for the restaurant while I drive. But somehow she missed it and I went past it and even told Chris I think I went by it but she told me keep driving. Then I knew we went by it for sure because there was a sign we were in the next town.The Berlin Turnpike is long and goes into three towns. Then I had to figure out how to turn my car around to start heading back where we came from. She then called her boyfriend to ask him exactly where the restaurant was. And by some miracle we found it. But when we got to the restaurant I was a wreck. Chris should have either drove and I would have looked for the restaurant or since I was driving gone to a place I was familiar with. And there was a time many years ago when I went with her to look at an apartment. I did a MapQuest and she drove and got on the right street and I was looking at house numbers and when I found the building I said Chris here it is and pointed but she kept on driving by it. This had to happen about a half dozen times before she figured out where the entrance was. If she was by herself she still might be looking for it because she can't read house numbers without glasses. Chris can make it to work because she knows the route well because she has worked there for 4 years and she goes there 5 days a week. But if she drives either at night or to a place she is unfamiliar with she is going to have problems more often than not. And she doesn't like the way I drive always telling me I drive too slow. Does it make sense that she doesn't like the way I drive yet wanted me to drive to a restaurant I never went to before and she did? I can't figure that one out.

Agree totally about Chris and contacts. She insists her insurance will pay for them but I don't know about that. She doesn't know how her insurance works. Two years ago when she went for her last eye exam before now they told her she owed 20.00 for the exam and 20.00 for glasses. She went with a cheaper frame and standard bifocals so everything was covered for 40.00. But Chris insisted it was 20.00 for both so she refused to pay the other 20.00. She said one of her coworkers told her that. Then Chris told me she was going to fight it because they were wrong. I then said to her OK but check with your human resources department first. But she didn't do that and called the doctor's office and verbally attacked the office person she spoke with. Then later found out that indeed she would owe 40.00 for both the exam and glasses but never paid them the 20.00 she owed. And later on that year we moved and they didn't have her new address so if they sent her a bill it may have gone back to them as undeliverable.For some reason none of her mail ever got forwarded even though she did a change of address form.

And as for Chris and contact lenses everything would be against her. I did some research and from what I read they say almost everybody can be fitted for and successfully wear contact lenses. But I don't think so. Another thing I didn't mention is Chris has dry eyes and often uses Visine.If she can't tolerate a dilated eye exam which she can't how is she going to tolerate contact lenses? Plus I also believe she would have difficulty putting them in and taking them out. Also Chris has zero patience if she can't do something right away. And this would be something I couldn't help her with because I know I couldn't do it myself because of my hands. I know they have different kinds of contact lenses because everybody's eyes are different as to what kinds of lenses their eyes can tolerate. But I think Chris would have problems with all kinds. Wouldn't contacts be easier to adjust to if you only have one eye issue? I don't know if you follow sports but Kevin Durant who is a basketball player must wear contacts because when I see pictures of

him off the court he always is wearing glasses that appear to have a fairly significant minus script. I think most athletes nowadays do Lasik but if they don't they might decide to wear contacts just to play their sport and wear glasses the rest of the time. I know years back I remember watching basketball games on TV and occasionally a player would lose a contact lens and in my mind I can still picture the players on both teams and the refs trying to find it.But that doesn't seem to happen nowadays. Probably because less players wear contact lenses and those that do because of technological advances the lenses are less likely to pop out than they did years ago.

But Chris is so naive.If she wears contacts she will have to likely do so full time but doesn't almost everybody who wears contacts have to give their eyes a rest occasionally and then will need glasses too because once your eyes gets used to correction you will need it all the time? Chris thinks this a way to completely ditch glasses. It is all a very bad plan. She needs to get her glasses adjusted and start wearing them and get adjusted to them. And I still can't believe that her glasses without insurance would have cost over 800.00. I could never imagine paying that kind of money for a pair of glasses. And if Chris' insurance does cover contacts my guess is it would only be a small portion of the cost and she would have to pay more out of pocket than she even did for her glasses.But since Chris is a part time dentures wearer she probably thinks she can be a part time contact lenses wearer too and be able to go bare eyed when she isn't wearing them. Chris is quite an interesting woman isn't she?

Cactus Jack 25 Apr 2016, 13:41


Two things happen at night. The first has to do with optics and the pupils of your eyes. There is an optical phenomenon called "Depth of Field" or "Range of Useful Focus" by photographers. There is an "iris" adjustment on a High End Camera lens called the "f" stop that controls the amount of light that strikes the film. Your pupils are similar. When the light is bright, a photographer will close down the Iris and your pupils will contract, increasing your Depth of Field. In dim light, the Iris and your Pupils open up, which reduces your depth of field. The overall effect is that your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses have to work harder to focus close when your pupils are wide open. You can demonstrate this phenomenon in bright light by looking through a pin hole or a button hole.

The second thing has to do with fatigue. It is likely that at the end of the day your Ciliary Muscles are tired, which also affects their ability to squeeze your Crystalline Lenses to focus close.


Maxim 25 Apr 2016, 12:22

All this depends of the necessities of near vision.

As a van driver reading 6 delivery notes (30 seconds each) with reasonable big letters during an 8-hour-shift I might easily cope the daily tasks without a near vision add.

When I'm repairing watches, smartphones or model trains at 28 centimeters working distance (equals an accommodation of +3,5 needed) for eight hours a day, this will be a different issue for my near vision.

Soundmanpt 25 Apr 2016, 12:05


Everyone is simply providing you with advice. And even if your ECP (eye care professional) were to recommend bifocals / progressives it would still your decision to get them or not get them. But to be honest you clearly already must be wearing your glasses full time based on your prescription so i really don't see why getting an add in the form of progressives would be such a big problem for you? Unless you told someone no one would ever know that your glasses were progressive anyway. I think what is bothering you is just that horrible word "bifocal" that really puts most people off. But just as Cactus Jack said now it is not at all unusual at all for a teen to be wearing progressives.

Kieran  25 Apr 2016, 11:48

Thanks for your response Cactus Jack

Why is it only really a problem late at night?

I'm not really sure I like the idea of needed reading glasses before I'm even 35, Specs4Ever commented that if I got them now that I would become dependent on them, if that is the problem and I don't get bifocals/progressives is it something that will still get worse? I think, with it only being an issue at night I can probably cope with it if it means not needing the reading add.

Cactus Jack 25 Apr 2016, 10:54


Specs4ever is correct. There are really only two possibilities. One is that Presbyopia is creeping up on you and / or Two, Some of your myopia is actually Pseudo Myopia and you are using some of your gradually decreasing accommodation range to create some Pseudo Myopia. Neither one is anything to get very excited about. As Specs4ever said, visual comfort is the most important thing.

The idea that you don't need close focusing help util you are 40 is a myth. Everyone is different and everyone's visual environment is different. These days, the tiny text on Smartphones and Tablets has altered many people's visual environment and caused them to have focusing trouble, even in their teens. Before you decide on a low power bifocal or progressive add, I suggest trying some low power Over-the-Counter (OTC) reading glasses, over your regular glasses. +1.00 if you can find them. Alternatively, you could order some +1.00 Clip On Magnifiers from Rx Safety Glasses in New Jersey for about US$15.00 plus shipping.

If you want to order some glasses on line, let us know and we can help.

If you have more questions, please feel free to ask.


Kieran  25 Apr 2016, 09:06

Hi Specs4ever

Thank you for responding

My distance vision now is great, probably the best that I've ever had really.

The optician did check my close up vision when I had the test with my new prescription and I did struggle to read the handheld chart, but was told that was down to my prescription increasing more than normal and it would settle down. When I went back to see them, they tested it again and this time I could read the chart although the smallest line wasn't overly comfortable. However that was first thing in the morning and it is only really at night that it seems to be a problem, but obviously I can't get a 10PM appointment.

I would have thought if it was due to me needing progressives/bifocals it would be a problem at all times of the day rather than just at night

Specs4ever 25 Apr 2016, 08:15

I guess it all depends on how your distance vision seems while wearing your new prescription Kieran. If your distance vision is nice and sharp I think Cactus Jack will likely advise you that the time for a reading add has arrived. Generally most myopes can make it to a more advanced age than you are before the word progressives enters their vocabulary, but this is not always the case.

The one downside to having bifocals or progressives at the age you are is that your eyes will likely become dependent on the add, and while it will likely only start off at around a +1.00D it will gradually increase over the next few years. But your comfort is the most important thing here.

I am surprised that your eye doctor did not explain this to you. He is correct in saying that as your eyes become accustomed to the new prescription you might find small print easier to read, but it sounded to me as if you have given it long enough for this to happen.

Soundmanpt 25 Apr 2016, 08:13


I simply don't bother responding to stupid comments like that one about me being you or all the other ones. To me I have better things to do then bother with trolls that are bored with life.

Sorry I did miss answering several things you asked about. Once your an adult your PD doesn't change anymore. So once you get that information you will always know it. If you do order her prescription sunglasses I really think she would be fine with single vision and yes you do need to include her cylinder numbers as well as the axis's. You just don't include the add. Actually when you start to fill out her information it will ask you if the glasses are single vision or bifocals. Once you check the single vision box when you go to enter her prescription there won't won't even be a place to include her add. If her current glasses seem to be on the large size then yes she may not want her sunglasses to be any larger. Actually you might be better at deciding on a size by using her non prescription sunglasses for size. Somehow I really don't think Chris would do very well with contacts. She can't seem to get adjusted to wearing her glasses and contacts would be much more difficult for her I think. Actually it would be great if she could because if she were able to wear contacts she would for sure be wearing them full time and it wouldn't take long before she wouldn't be able to function without either her glasses or contacts. But in her case they would likely just be a big waste of money and most insurances don't cover contact lenses so it would totally out of her pocket as well. I hope she takes the time to get her glasses adjusted so they don't hurt behind her ear. Wearing them like she is now is only going to stretch them out and make them fit even worse.

Kieran  25 Apr 2016, 08:04

Cactus Jack,

My old prescription was Left -5.25, -1.50, 170 Right -5.50, -0.75, 180

My new prescription is Left - 6.00, -150, 160 Right -5.75, -0.75, 180

I'm 34

Cactus Jack 25 Apr 2016, 07:51


Could you provide your age and your complete new and previous prescription?


Kieran  25 Apr 2016, 07:34

Hi not sure if this is the right place but Im looking for some help.

I had an eye test about a month ago where I got an increase in my prescription. I picked up my new glasses a week later and my vision in them is great apart from when I try to use my phone or read with them late at night when I seem to have issues being able to focus on the text properly. Focus probably isn't the right word but it's the closest I can think of. It's especially bad if I use my iPhone where the text seems really small, it's not really a problem during the day.

I have spoken to my eye doc about it, but was told it was just down to the increase in my prescription and my eyes need to get used to them but I've never had it take a three weeks for this to happen before, does this seem normal?

Michael 24 Apr 2016, 12:57

Soundmanpt-Why would anybody think you and I are the same person? I have no idea if we have the same writing style or not.And who cares if we do or not The problem might be the person just isn't intelligent enough to comprehend what we are talking about. But I really appreciate it that you are responding to me.And why is there a person or people who feels the need to make digs at all of us who are trying to discuss eye issues intelligently?Chris has some serious issues and am trying to figure out the best way to deal with them. Plus I didn't appreciate the digs that were made at Jamie and her husband. She claims it doesn't bother her but I have to admit this stuff does bother me.This has happened on other message boards as well. If people don't like what we are talking about they don't have to make derogatory comments. I wish there was a way for the moderator to block the IP addresses of the people writing the tasteless remarks or at the very least delete the posts.If people don't have anything to contribute just don't write. If there are people who think we are both phonies there is nothing we can do. I am far from being an expert about eyes and am trying to learn more and I respect your opinions very much so if I do post some misinformation I know either you or one of the other very knowledgeable people who contribute here will correct me. Which I greatly appreciate.

Michael 24 Apr 2016, 12:18

Soundmanpt-Thank you so much for your help. Not sure what we will do, But this is definitely a viable option.

I did get a chance to talk to Chris' boyfriend last night when she was in another room. I told him Chris really would benefit from wearing her glasses. He told me she has been wearing them but by wearing them I don't mean just putting them on when she wants to read something. I then told him Chris needs to be wear her glasses much more than she has been especially for driving. And she should never drive without corrective lenses. Hopefully she will get her glasses adjusted tomorrow and begin wearing them more frequently. And begin by keeping them on in the house.She will never get adjusted to the progressive lenses if she doesn't put them on and keep them on. I can understand her not wanting to wear them much right now if they are too tight behind the ear but once they are adjusted and are comfortable I see no reason for her not to wear them. I am not going to not love her because she wears glasses. She is still going to be my best friend. And I told her boyfriend what you told me. If Chris was ever involved in a serious auto accident and other people were injured or died she could get into trouble if it was ever found out that Chris was advised by her optometrist to wear glasses for driving and she didn't.Chris definitely is putting both herself and other people at risk by continuing to drive without corrective lenses.

I can't force Chris to wear her glasses full time but maybe nudge her a little bit by explaining to her the advantages of doing so. My hope is once she gets them adjusted tomorrow she will begin at least wearing them more than she has been. If she begins wearing them more but still doesn't want to wear them for driving then I can bring up about ordering inexpensive prescription sunglasses online. I would have to do all the work but that is OK since Chris isn't that good on the computer and her boyfriend doesn't know computers at all.I already set up an online account in my name. Paul got a cellphone a month or so before Christmas so Chris wanted one too so I bought her one for Christmas but I am not sure either one knows how to fully use their phones. As it is whenever they buy phone cards they ask me to put them on their phones. I set up Net 10 accounts for both of them so I can add the minutes to their phones through the app.

I don't have Chris' script in front of me at the moment but I believe her PD is 62. You said to get a frame slightly larger than her current frame but her current frame already looks large so I am not sure about that. I am guessing I would have to measure it. The next thing I would have to get would be a millimeter ruler because I don't have one. Could pick one up at Wal Mart but maybe Dollar Tree has them.And I agree completely about only getting sunglasses with her distance prescription. There would be very few occasions she would need the reading ad. Maybe if she does a MapQuest and if she wants to read the directions while driving she would have to take off her sunglasses and put on her regular glasses. But at least 95% of the time she would not need the reading add to drive. And I am assuming her cylinder numbers are part of the distance prescription and I would need to include those numbers if I order sunglasses for her. Am I correct?

As for me I am asking about PD just in case I might someday want to order an extra pair of glasses for myself.The place I buy my glasses from is a local optical shop. Not part of a chain. I don't think they would give me a problem if I ever asked for my PD. The place is very good. You can walk in without an appointment to get your glasses adjusted and you can go for an adjustment even if you didn't buy your glasses there. But it is awful that some places now are refusing to give it to you. I know they have it because they need it to make the glasses. And I know when they put the little ruler on my nose they are measuring my PD. And does the PD ever change? I don't think you gave me an answer to that before.

I am still wearing my glasses from 2014.The change in my script from 2 years was not much different from what it is now so my doctor told me I didn't have to fill the new script unless I wanted new glasses. But it is an option to order a cheap pair online with the new script just to see if they make any difference. I really didn't want to pay 300.00 again for glasses like I did in 2014. For your info I can post my script for both 2014 and now if you would like me to. But Chris two years ago tried to start an argument with me comparing her eyes to mine. She said my eyes are worse because i wear my glasses full time and she doesn't. But that has nothing to do with it. Not sure what my uncorrected vision is but I think it is better than 20/70. And I wouldn't even think about driving without glasses even if I could pass the eye test without them. Aren't progressives meant to be worn full time unless the distance script is very weak and Chris' is not? I got my first progressives at about age 45 and went full time right away.But by the point I was already close to full time wear with my other glasses. As time went on I started wearing my glasses more and more so when I got the progressives it wasn't that hard for me to get used to them.

And thank you so much for all your help. I really appreciate it. Just have to figure out what we will do. Chris did put on her glasses for a short time today but she had them on funny and one of the temples was not behind her ear because it hurts.I am hoping after she gets them adjusted she will wear them.Because wearing them the way she is now they would be way out of alignment.

But she is still saying she wants contacts next year which I don't think is a great idea for a variety of reasons. I know Chris and for one I think she will have problems putting the contacts in.And the second reason is she may have trouble getting used to them because she will likely have to get multi focal lenses.Monovision may or may not be an option. Plus I know she has sensitive eyes so that may also be an issue. Her eyes may not tolerate contacts. I think she is trying to figure out a way to completely avoid wearing glasses. Which tells me she knows she needs corrective lenses of some kind to be able to see well. Chris doesn't realize that even if she gets contacts she will have to wear glasses sometimes. And going bare eyed when she isn't wearing her contacts I don't think is a viable option. And Lasik wouldn't be an option because she can't afford it. And if she got contacts I wouldn't be able to help her put them in because I have issues with my hands because of the CP.My hands shake and I have trouble doing some things with them especially things that involve fine dexterity.

Even when I pick up a glass my hand shakes. My left hand is worse than my right. I grew up writing left handed but as the years went on I learned how to write right handed.Now I write equally well with either hand. If I write something right handed and then something left handed other people can't tell the difference because they are almost identical.And people have always told me my handwriting and printing both are very neat. As long as I take my time. My hands do get tired very quickly so it is good I can use either one to write. I think I do very well despite my disability. I can do most things using either hand but there are things I either can't do or at best do with much difficulty. Examples are threading a needle, using a manual can opener or using a lighter. Thank god I never smoked because I wouldn't be able to light a cigarette.

But I was never in a special class in school even though there were instances when I couldn't do certain things. One thing I couldn't do was dissect a frog in biology class. Thank goodness my partner covered for me and did all the work.But I do think I have a lot of good qualities. I think I am smart and can do things people always said I would never be able to do. I never thought years ago I could ever learn to use a computer and not only do I use one I think I am very good at resolving technical issues.I can both read and write which puts me ahead of some other people.Plus I held a full time job for 20 years.But was able fortunately to get on SSDI after I couldn't another job.I don't do well on interviews and don't come across to some other people as being intelligent even though I know I am. People were always reluctant to give me a chance.Even though I did get the Wal Mart job but had to give that up after a few years because my feet could not tolerate standing for that many hours.Now I do online surveys which helps me earn some extra money.

 24 Apr 2016, 09:27

why does the writing style of Michael match so closely with Soundmanpt match? same words, tl;dr messages, writing back and forth together all day long?

 24 Apr 2016, 07:12

Lasik is cheaper, in the long run. Also glasses are ugly on woman.

Soundmanpt 24 Apr 2016, 06:32


Let me see if I can provide you with some help if you decide to order glasses / sunglasses from Zenni. Of course you need your full prescription or in Chris's case her full prescription. And you need the PD measurement. You said that where Chris went they did provide that to her on her written prescription which is helpful. So it seems you have all the necessary information that you need in order to place an order for rx sun glasses from her. The only other thing is for you and her to pick out a frame that she will hopefully be happy enough to actually wear. Remember for sunglasses she should want them to be slightly bigger than regular glasses so they block out more light. Remember you don't need to go into the section where it shows ready made sunglasses because those are mostly just for people that want non prescription sunglasses. Just go in as if your looking for regular glasses and then you put in where it asks if you want a tint? It will give you all sorts of options for a tint in nearly every color possible but for true sunglasses that work the best they even tell you that 80% gray tint is the best and they are right. Just be sure to take your time when entering her prescription numbers that you use the correct sign in front of each number such as (-) or (+). Now since they are sunglasses and really meant for distance I don't think there is any reason to pay extra for progressives. Getting her single vision for distance should do the trick for her. But if she insist on wanting the reading add that is going to make the cost of her glasses around $55.00. If she stays with single vision they should be less than $20.00. They only charge $5.00 to make them up as sunglasses so if she finds a pair of glasses that she likes and they are $12.95 which I know that they have well over 800 pairs to choose from for that price, then the extra $5.00 will make her total price for her rx sunglasses $18.95. They do charge a one time shipping price of $5.00. Now if you were to decide to order glasses for yourself at the same time that one time shipping cost would of course cover the shipping of your glasses. Now as for your needing your PD measurement the easiest way would be to go to where you have been getting your glasses from and ask them for it. They have it on your chart because they needed that information to make your glasses. Now I have to warn you that some places have started refusing to provide that information to patients even if you got your eye exam and glasses from them. By law they are allowed to do that because the PD is a part of the getting glasses process and not a part of your eye exam. I can tell you that Lenscrafter's, Pearle Vision, Sears Optical, JC Penny optical and Target optical are stores that have been told by Luxottica which owes all those stores not to release the PD to patients. I would say this to you, if you go where you have been getting your glasses from and they refuse to provide you that information if it were me I would tell them on the spot that they have seen the last of me in their store. Trust me most stores will provide that to you even if you didn't your glasses their and only had your eye exam done their. Now you can do it yourself which isn't really difficult but let me know if you want me to describe how to do it. For you if your looking at maybe getting a spare pair of regular glasses I would suggest that you first find a ruler that has millimeters on one side and measure your current glasses across the face from the outside left to the outside right. That number should come up somewhere between 132mm and 140mm depending on how wide your head is. That way when you find glasses you like compare the size to your current glasses and if it is close they should fit you great.

Michael 23 Apr 2016, 17:20

Likelenses-I love the way you put it. Chris sure is a very interesting lady. We met 9 years ago when we both worked at our local Wal Mart.And somehow we connected and became very good friends. We have been living together for over 5 years. It is a very long story how we became roommates.You will have to read my book when I get around to writing it. Chris works at Savers now which is a thrift store. She works in back of the store getting merchandise ready to be put on the shelves mostly clothes. I am retired and on SSDI. I worked in the insurance industry for 20 years but was laid off when the accounting functions got transferred out of state. I tried to supplement my income by working part time as a people greeter in Wal Mart and did so for a few years but had to give it up because my feet could not handle standing for a long period of time. My feet got so bad I had to undergo several surgeries and it took a long time for my feet to feel somewhat normal. But no way I could do that job now because I would completely kill my feet. They hurt sometimes when I am on them for too long but nothing like when I worked at Wal Mart. It got so bad that when I worked a long shift and it was over I would literally have to crawl to my car. It was bad. Very bad.

Likelenses 23 Apr 2016, 16:21


Chris is a very interesting lady. How on earth did you meet her?

Where does she work,and what does she do?

She sounds very head strong.

Michael 23 Apr 2016, 15:24

Jamie-Did you tell David that reading glasses are not necessarily just for older people?

Michael 23 Apr 2016, 14:42

Update on Chris- She is having problems with her glasses. She said they are too tight behind one of her ears so will go for an adjustment on Monday.So I don't think she wore them much today and hasn't put them on since she got home from work. I just hope she isn't making excuses not to wear them. She spent a lot of money for these glasses and really needs to wear them if she wants to see well.I wish once she gets them adjusted she just puts them on and leaves them on and as long as they are adjusted properly she will get used to them. I don't think it will be easy for Chris to wear her glasses full time but it is something she really needs to do.

Personally if I was her I would have opted for a metal frame instead of the plastic frame she chose because the glasses would have been lighter. I haven't picked up her glasses but they appear to be on the heavy side. But she is 100% against metal frames because she believes they are poorly made because when she last got a metal frame the lenses kept popping out. I have never had a problem with a metal frame. I don't like plastic frames because whenever I got one I dealt with glasses constantly sliding down my nose.And no matter how many times I tried to get them adjusted they never were right.So for now on it is metal for me.

Many years ago my aunt thought it would be a good idea for me to get a spare pair of glasses. So I went with her to this optical place which was not the place I had my other glasses made. I chose a plastic frame for my spare pair and the glasses were made and after I got them the guy adjusted them. Fine but they kept on sliding down my nose after I wore them a little bit. So I kept on going back about every week or so and the guy tried to adjust them. And it was the same thing over and over and I eventually gave up. The owner was not one bit sympathetic to my situation. I was not compensated in any way.I should have been given a chance for the glasses to be remade with a different frame at no cost. So I took the loss on those glasses. I barely wore them and much preferred my other ones which had a metal frame. And as you can probably figure out I never went back there again. I made a mistake of not pursuing the matter further. Looking at it now I should have filed a complaint with the BBB. But this all happened a long time ago. Maybe 25 years or so.I don't know how much I paid for the glasses but whatever it was it was like throwing money in the garbage because I barely wore them. They were the worst glasses I ever had in my entire life.

Michael 23 Apr 2016, 12:03

To use one of Chris' favorite words my cousin Maryann looks dorky doing what she does. And I never even thought about the possibility of her scratching the lenses by putting the sunglasses over her regular glasses.But unlike Chris Maryann realizes that just wearing non prescription sunglasses won't do her any good. I believe her regular glasses are progressives just like Chris' are.

And I did sign up for a Zenni account. Have to figure out how to order glasses. I guess I would have to measure her current frame. And her PD number is on her script so we wouldn't have to measure that. Not sure Chris would go for this but I would be willing to pay for the sunglasses being the good friend and nice guy I am. I don't have a lot of money but I think I can afford this.

One question for you? I don't have my PD number. It is not on my script. Would I be able to get it from the place I got my last glasses from if I ever needed it? And does that number change over time?

And one other thing I would like to clear up. It isn't Chris saying her eyes are sensitive to light. It is an observation I have made. I think I told you when we lived at the other place I had to shut off all the lights when she went to bed because she couldn't tolerate the glare and even used to complain about the glare coming from my computer monitor. Plus the shades and blinds had to be drawn. She told me she can't sleep with any kind of light which may be in her head like not being able to eat with her dentures or able to drive without wearing the non prescription sunglasses.

I will continue to update you as to when Chris is wearing her glasses. Yesterday at least she made an effort to wear them more than she ever wore her old ones but she does need to realize that she should never drive without wearing corrective lenses. And you are right. The more Chris wears her glasses the harder it will be for her to go without them. What I don't know is how much she is wearing them in work. Before she wouldn't put them on unless she needed to read something up close. I am not there so I don't know for sure but my guess is Chris did not wear her glasses much at her job because she spends most of her time sorting clothes and the job doesn't involve much reading.

But can you believe until she had her most recent eye exam she kept telling people she only needed glasses to read small print? But now she is finally admitting she can't see distance and can't see close. But I knew that a long time ago. But until now she was never advised as to when to wear her glasses. And you are right about 20/40. That is the cutoff in most states to pass the DMV eye exam.You need at least one eye that sees 20/40 or better. Also admitted to me she could read almost no letters on the chart. What I don't know is if the 20/70 vision was in her left eye or right eye.But whatever she shouldn't be driving without corrective lenses. Plus she always squinted a lot. I ran this by Cactus Jack two years ago and he agreed with me that Chris'right eye was likely her main source of vision when she wasn't wearing her glasses. But now it has gotten slightly weaker from what it was two years ago so it may be making driving even more difficult. It is bad when your good eye isn't so good anymore. Which may be the case with Chris. I remember what Cactus Jack wrote in 2014.I can't force Chris to wear her glasses but he did say most people with her script would wear it full time.

This is what I would like to see happen. I would like Chris to give driving a shot wearing her regular glasses.Especially on a cloudy day or at night. I can't understand how any kind of sunglasses would help her then.And if she feels she still needs sunglasses we can try to order some on Zenni. I would have to be the one who orders them and make sure I get her numbers right. I care for her so much and don't want something bad to happen that can be prevented.This is an issue that can be fixed pretty easily.But Chris is very hard headed and doesn't like people telling her what to do which kind of puts me in a quandary. I also told Chris if she has any issues with her glasses to come to me and I will try to figure something out. Almost every problem can be resolved.She just has to let me try to help her.

Michael 23 Apr 2016, 08:54

So maybe what Chris does isn't all that unusual.But I do think it is in her head that she can't eat with her dentures. Just like it is in her head that her non prescription sunglasses somehow give her improved vision.

Soundmanpt 23 Apr 2016, 08:29


Actually what your cousin does with wearing her sunglasses over the top of her prescription glasses is not that unusual. In fact my own mother often did the very same thing she had cataract and got ICL lenses and was even told that she didn't need to wear glasses anymore. But she was so used to wearing glasses that she insisted on her doctor to write her a prescription. He wrote did write her some type of very weak prescription really just to make her happy. Of course my mother never knew my interest in glasses so I never asked her anything about her glasses. But I do know she was able to see the TV perfectly fine without them and even could read small print without them so they had to be extremely weak. Anyway after the surgery her eyes were much more light sensitive and even though she had transition lenses in her glasses they didn't seem to get dark enough to please her. She went out and found some over size sunglasses which i am almost sure were called Sonic glasses or Solar I am not sure which. But they were made to go over the top of glasses or could be worn by themself as well. They were honestly quite ugly because they were so big and they even covered the side areas of your glasses so no light could get in anywhere. But also I worked with a very attractive young lady one day when we were at lunch she commented to me that she thought she should get her eyes checked because she was noticing things at a distance didn't look as clear as they should. Anyway the next day she told me that she had made an appointment to get her eyes checked. I was shocked when she told me where she had made her appointment for because a very expensive boutique type of place. Their prices made Lenscrafter's look like Wal-Mart. Anyway remember this was some 30 years ago or so and she told me the reason she went their was because they offered her a free eye exam. But not surprising she needed glasses and they sold her everything that was possible as options for her glasses. One of the things they sold her was transition lenses. Her total price for glasses was in the $800.00 range just like Chris paid only she didn't have any insurance to help her out. I knew this girl well enough that she even on cloudy days she always wore her sunglasses because her eyes were very light sensitive. Anyway when she picked up her glasses she was very disappointed that her lenses didn't nearly as dark as she needed them to be. The next time we went to lunch she was of course wearing her glasses I was a little surprised to see her take out her sunglasses and put them on over the top of her glasses. I then told her that since her glasses weren't working like she wanted that she should go back and complain about them not working good enough for her. She then told me that she didn't think her glasses were right anyway because she still wasn't seeing very well and she was sure her eyes were adjusted to them. She went back and they gave her a full refund and she went to another place which was much more reasonable and she started over and got her eyes re examined and a different prescription. She got regular glasses as well as rx sunglasses and still didn't spend as much as she did at the other place. This time she said her glasses were perfect and she could see great with them. We went out a few more times and then she moved to Florida to be with her sister and mom that had moved their a few years earlier. Anyway what your cousin is doing is okay but I know it look funny as hell and she runs the risk of scratching her lenses on her glasses putting them on. You should maybe suggest to her about ordering rx sunglasses from Zenni.

As for as Chris goes the only thing you can hope for is that by starting to wear her glasses more often it is going to get harder and harder for her to see without them and she might finally start putting them on whens she gets up and leaves them on while driving, but if she is really as light sensitive as she claims to be I fear that she might still try driving without her glasses which is such a bad idea. Have you suggested to her about checking out the Zenni site? maybe you can bring it up on your computer and have her start looking at what thye have to offer. You can even post her picture and she can do a virtual try on if she wishes. Like I said for less than $20.00, which is hardly nothing compared to what her glasses cost, she can have a nice pair of rx sunglasses if she really needs the darkness so much to drive. At least they would have her prescription in them.

Julian 23 Apr 2016, 04:23

Yes, I've known people take their dentures out to eat. My brother (half-brother really) who was 16 when I was born and lived into his 80s never really adjusted to dentures, and I'm not sure that he wore them when he wasn't eating, whereas I have s partial denture ever since I fell teeth first off a wall at the age of 12 - and `i don't always take it out at night as I'm supposed to.

Michael 22 Apr 2016, 23:53

You know what is funny. The lenses never popped out of her sunglasses from what I can remember.And they always seem to pop out of metal frames so that is why she sticks with plastic now. Also I don't think the lenses ever popped out of her drugstore readers. What would cause that to happen? Personally I like metal frames better because in the past when I got plastic they would constantly slide down my nose no matter how many times I tried to get them adjusted. She told me they recommended metal frames but Chris wanted plastic. With the dexterity in my hands I wouldn't even know how to loosen the lenses in her sunglasses. But believe me I would love to do something so she couldn't wear her sunglasses driving to work one day. But the more she wears her glasses both at home and in work the harder it will be for her to continue driving without corrective lenses. But she may not realize that. Her vision with her glasses is greatly improved whether she admits it or not. I kind of want to snoop on her to pick up her pattern of wearing her glasses but I can't make myself conspicuous. She knows I spend most of my time at night in my bedroom and would wonder what I was up to if I kept on going into the living room to see what she is doing. I wonder if she kept them on tonight until she went to bed. I have no clue because I keep the door to my room shut because I don't want our cats coming in and bothering me. But she put them on when she turned on the TV shortly after getting home from work and then I went to McDonald's for dinner and when I got back her glasses were still on and shortly after I get back she went into the kitchen to do a few things and still kept her glasses on which is a first for Chris. Then later on she came into the kitchen again but the door to my room was shut and didn't feel like opening it. But I heard the refrigerator door so obviously she was getting something to either eat or drink.

I want Chris to wear her glasses but the reason I want her to do it is I know she needs to wear them in order to see.

Glad you enjoyed reading about Chris' dentures. But wouldn't it be funny if she left them in the restaurant and they got thrown out? That could happen because Chris can be absent minded.But when my aunt asked if we wanted to go out I left it completely up to Chris. But part of me wished she said no because I knew that Chris takes out her teeth when eating and I really didn't want my aunt to see that. I don't let it bother me but this something I don't really want my family to see especially my elderly aunt. But my aunt on the phone the next day asked me a lot of question about Chris and her teeth a lot of them which I couldn't even answer.I remember saying to my aunt if you want to know why Chris takes out her teeth to eat you will have to ask her. I don't have dentures but from what I know about them is everybody who gets them eventually gets used to them. Just like with glasses It takes some people longer than others.I love Chris even though our relationship is platonic but I think you can see why I prefer not bringing her to any of my family's gatherings. Also Chris is a fussy eater and I know some of the places my family likes to go to Chris wouldn't like. But both Chris and I like Applebees and my aunt knows that so when she said Applebees Chris couldn't turn it down.

Soundmanpt did you ever hear of anybody before who took out their dentures to eat? A part time dentures wearer is a new one to me. And how about my cousin wearing the two pairs of glasses at once.Did you ever know anybody who did that? My cousin is a nice person but is weird in a lot of ways. I could tell you more things about her you might not believe either but I am not going there. Chris with the things she does and my family I don't think would hit it off very well.

And why is Chris so klutzy? And I was the one born with CP not her. Everything she does seems to be very difficult. I do think at least some of her problems are vision related. I can't remember what it was but maybe a year or so ago she was having a hard time doing something and I asked her if she wanted me to try and she said no way I could do it but guess what I did it and from what I remember not only did I do it but did it easily despite the poor dexterity in my hands.I am still trying to figure out how she keeps breaking every drain clog I buy. They all can't be defective and now three of them have broken in 18 months.

How is she breaking them? I have always said if you want to break something or lose it just give it to Chris. But isn't it strange that her sunglasses never break?And the other place she used to go to for her eye exams and glasses have to be thrilled she didn't go back this year. They have had their fill of Chris. She put all the blame on them for the broken glasses.And one time they wanted to fix them in the office but she insisted they send them back to the lab and remake them and apparently they did that but the glasses still broke again within a short period of time.I even went online to see if there were any consumer complaints about the place but couldn't find any. This was all Chris I believe. She was costing them money because they repaired her glasses numerous times and never charged her for doing so. She complained about the place to her family and friends including me looking for sympathy. Not sure if she got any but all I said to her was something was wrong and said no more. Because I really think the problem was Chris and not them.But I wasn't going to tell her that because she would have shot me down. Even though I believe her glasses broke because of how she handled them.She kept them on top of her head which did nothing but stretch them out. Also kept them hanging on her shirt and they would often fall on the floor. And never kept them in the case when she wasn't wearing them which was most of the time.

And can you believe Chris is already talking about getting contacts next year? I have read that people who have them say they are easy to put in but I know Chris and nothing is easy for her. And because of my CP I don't think this is something I could help her with.Plus she would have to get multi focal lenses. And it could be hard for her to adjust to them. And what she doesn't realize is when she is not wearing her contacts she will probably have to wear glasses because going bare eyed would not likely be an option for her anymore at least a very good one. Instead of worrying about contacts she should try to figure out how our vacuum cleaner works because she hasn't been able to do that yet and we have had this vacuum cleaner for about 3 years.

Living with Chris is certainly exciting don't you think?

Likelenses 22 Apr 2016, 20:55


Living with Chris is certainly entertaining for you.

I almost fell out of my chair laughing about the dentures.

Since Chris has a history of lenses popping out of her frames,perhaps you could press one almost out of her sunglasses,to the point that when she puts them on,it will pop out. Just make sure to not leave any finger prints on the lense.

Michael 22 Apr 2016, 18:26

Soundmanpt- I agree with you 100%.Those non prescription sunglasses are a crutch. She has it in her head she needs them to drive even though they don't help her vision one little bit.On more than one occasion she couldn't find them and went into a state of panic. But I could never throw them out. I wouldn't have the heart because I wouldn't want her to throw out something of mine. Hiding them might be an idea but if she found out it was me she would kill me. I think I could find them after she goes to bed and then hide them in my room and when she got up the next morning and looked for them before leaving the house she wouldn't find them. Then what would she do? I stay up late at night and 90% of the time when she leaves the house around 7 I am still sleeping. It might be a way to force her to wear her new glasses when driving but she would be in a quandary for sure.

And you are so right. The more she wears her glasses the more blurry her vision will appear to be when she isn't wearing them. That is what puts many people into full time wear. Even though their eyes didn't get worse they will think they are because the brain is getting adjusted to seeing clearly. If she starts easing into full time wear which it appears she might be trying to do I think she will reach the point sooner rather than later when she will realize she can't drive at all without corrective lenses.

I would love it if she began to use a little common sense and just start wearing her glasses for driving. But she didn't do it today. Since she didn't do it this afternoon I am sure she didn't wear them when driving to work this morning either. But as I said I am seldom up yet when she leaves for work so I don't know for sure what she did.

And I had no idea they can check your medical records if you are involved in a serious accident.Yes I love Chris to death. If something ever happened I sure would feel guilty. And I do have a heart. Just not sure I can be the one to tell her. I thought about talking to her boyfriend and maybe she will listen to him more than she would listen to me. If I talked to her optometrist could he notify DMV if I tell him she is not wearing her glasses for driving? I have researched this and can't find much definitive info online. I don't want to be the bad guy and am hoping she comes to her senses in the next couple of days.But it would be very difficult for Chris to wear her glasses most of the time but not wear them for driving. I recall Cactus Jack saying many times it is up to the person to decide when to wear his or her glasses with driving being the lone exception. Yes she can get a cheap pair of prescription sunglasses so that should not be an issue. I would even pay for them. I never wore sunglasses when driving but if she feels she needs to she has to buy a pair of prescription ones.

I told you what happened two years ago when she brought me to the hospital because I was having surgery.I knew her eyes weren't great but I think they are worse than I originally thought. She went to two previous eye doctors and neither one ever told her to wear her glasses for driving. My guess is they probably assumed she had been doing that given her vision.

You must have seen Chris' scripts that I posted both for now and 2014. Two years ago I wrote to Cactus Jack because I was trying to figure out just what Chris can see. But he couldn't give me a very definitive answer because other things other than refraction errors can cause poor vision. But Chris doesn't have either glaucoma or cataracts so that is good. I also asked her if she had a dilated exam and she said this doctor didn't give her one. Chris has had issues in the past with dilated exams because she cannot tolerate them. Then it is good she didn't go to my doctor because she always gives dilated exams.

But night driving can be tough. I will only drive at night when it is to a place I am very familiar with. And I loved what she told me last week about road signs when I asked her. She said she can see the signs but just can't see what is written on them. Can you believe she told me that?

And Chris doesn't drive much at night thank goodness.When she goes out with her boyfriend he drives most of the time. But he has told me he doesn't like driving at night because he can't see well either so maybe he lets her drive. This may be the blind leading the blind.

And one more thing that is slightly off topic but lets you know just what I am dealing with.Did you ever hear of a part time dentures wearer? I have one living with me. She takes her dentures out whenever she eats claiming she can't eat with them. This goes right along with not wanting to drive wearing her glasses. It is all in her head. People get used to dentures just like they get used to glasses. She got the dentures for cosmetic reasons obviously. Chris has always been very conscious of her physical appearance. One fear other than forgetting about them and leaving them on the table and possibly accidentally getting thrown out is how it looks to other people. Last year my aunt took us out to lunch for Chris' birthday and believe me I got an earful from her about Chris' teeth.

You may think I am a story teller and making this all up but I would swear on a stack of Bibles I am not. Some of this stuff I don't think could be made up. But it is all 100% true if you can believe it.

I have another beauty for you if you can believe this. My cousin who has a lot of money but is cheap wears non prescription sunglasses over her regular glasses. She does that every time I ride with her on a long drive. Do you know anybody who does that? Maybe Chris should try that. But wearing two pair of glasses at one time sounds uncomfortable to me. I am dealing with some weird people don't you think?

Cactus Jack 22 Apr 2016, 17:49


I don't want to answer for Jaimie, but I suspect that David thinks his PLUS glasses look like his grandpa's PLUS glasses, perhaps for reading.

All but Trent have had their glasses for 3 days and I think they are doing very well with them. Hopefully, Jamie will keep us updated with progress reports. I am particularly interested in how Trenton's vision has affected his development and the difference being able to see, at least moderately well, affects his development from here forward.


You have not mentioned where you live so I don't have any idea what kinds of costs are involved in keeping your children in glasses with the most beneficial prescription. Also, there are going to be some broken and lost glasses that insurance won;t cover. It may be beneficial at some point to order low cost high quality glasses from an online retailer, such as Zenni Optical. If you would like to learn how to order from an online retailer, please lets us know. Fundamentally, all you need is their prescription and Pupillary Distance (PD). Most of your children's glasses would be around US$6.95 plus shipping unless you needed super strong frames. I think, if you order several pairs of glasses from Zenni, the shipping charges only apply to the first pair.

Soundmanpt is the real expert in ordering glasses from Zenni, I have ordered some glasses for adult friends, but have not ordered glasses for children or for me. I wear Trifocals, but Zenni does not make them.

I wish you and your family well.


Jamie 22 Apr 2016, 17:18


David is referring to the fact that he needs them to read. His frames were his choice, and as a matter of fact, the same as Chris's ( he copies his older brother). David says he feels like a grandpa with his glasses because in his mind only older people need reading glasses.

Soundmanpt 22 Apr 2016, 16:51


She needs to lose those stupid non prescription sunglasses. They are useless to her. Too bad you don't have the nerve to find them when she isn't looking and throw them out or at least hide them away.

Soundmanpt 22 Apr 2016, 16:49


This may sound crazy but I hope your wrong about her still refusing to wear her glasses for driving. I can't imagine how much worse her vision is going to seem to her if she wears her glasses all day and then goes out to drive and takes them off. It's bad enough that she hasn't been wearing her glasses much at all all this time but at least her vision is somewhat used to seeing without glasses which of course is bad but now if her eyes are actually starting to adjust to her glasses and then she takes them off to drive everything is going to look even more blurry to her. I only hope it is so bad that she has no choice but to keep her glasses on if goes off driving. Let's just hope she is finally realizing just how much she needs to be wearing her glasses and keeps them on like she should.

Michael 22 Apr 2016, 16:34

Latest update on my roommate. As I said before she came home wearing her non prescription sunglasses but after she changed her clothes she turned on the TV and put her glasses on. I was going to McDonald's for dinner and asked her if she wanted anything.She said no but when I got back home a half hour or so later her glasses were still on.And she went into the kitchen to clean her coffee pot so it will be ready for the morning and kept her glasses on.That is a first for Chris I believe. I wonder if she wore them all day in work. I wouldn't even dare ask her. But she is supposed to wear them all day long but still will not wear them to drive. What do you guys make out of this? I think she realizes she sees much better with her glasses than without but for whatever reason won't wear them for driving. But the more she wears her glasses the harder it will be for her to go without them. She isn't straining her eyes anymore and her eyes have to be much more relaxed and she sees so much better. As many here have said when the brain gets used to a clear image it is hard to go back to a fuzzy image.

Soundmanpt 22 Apr 2016, 16:25


Your room mate Chris is not taking her vision impairment nearly as serious as she really should be. Like you say she is not only putting herself in danger but other innocent people as well by not wearing corrective lenses when she drives. If her overall vision acuity is only 20/70 she is far past what is considered as being safe to drive. In most if not all states the the number is 20/40. It is the stupidest thing I have every heard of for her to get glasses valued at over $800.00 and even paying several hundred out of her own pocket as well for glasses she has no real intention of wearing. Then at the same time she is too cheap too buy herself a pair of prescription sunglasses if that is what she feels like she needs for driving. But if her eyes are so sensitive that she needs sunglasses to even see to drive at night she probably shouldn't even be driving at night at all. I think she actually feels like her non prescription sunglasses are somehow providing her with improved vision. If she can't start wearing her $800.00 glasses to drive both day and night she has no business driving at all. Since you are totally aware of this I don't wish to be mean but I have to ask you how you will feel if she has an accident and someone is badly injured or wore yet killed because she is just to stubborn to wear her glasses? Don't tell me that it wouldn't bother you because you clearly have a heart and that would haunt you until the day you die. You simply have to sit her down and tell her that she has to start wearing her glasses or your going to turn her into the police and have her forced to pas a vision test to drive. By the way something she may not know is that if she was told that she needs to be wearing her glasses full time even though it doesn't show up on her driver's license the fact that she was advised by a medical person that she must wear glasses all the time that means more then what her license shows. So yes she is fine if she just gets pulled over and isn't wearing her glasses but if she is ever involved in a serious accident and they started checking her health records and found that she was told to wear glasses full time she would be in serious trouble in court. Her optometrists prescription means more than what her license says. If she wants prescription sunglasses she can get a very nice pair for less than $20.00 from Zenni ( I have ordered rx sunglasses for friends that have very sensitive eyes and by getting an 80% gray tint they really work very well for sensitive eyes.

Michael 22 Apr 2016, 16:17

astigmaphile-My advice to you would be don't feed the trolls. But that sure was a tasteless remark that person made. I hope Jamie doesn't feel insulted or takes it personal.I think responding to people like that is the worst thing you can do. It would be great if these posts could be deleted or that person's IP address can be blocked so he or she can't post here anymore but in the meantime if someone continues to troll I would just neglect the person and don't respond.

astigmaphile 22 Apr 2016, 15:23

Anonymous poster 1428 hrs,

Get yourself neutered. You have no right to tell a woman to have her tubes tied. I would hate to see you reproduce. The world already has enough vermin.

Michael 22 Apr 2016, 14:59

Jamie- What are grandpa glasses? I don't think I ever heard that term before. Do they look like his grandfather's glasses?

Michael 22 Apr 2016, 14:48

Yes David is getting by at least some of the time without glasses because at 9 years old he ha a lot of accommodation left that helps him overcome his farsightedness. His nearsighted brothers are not nearly as lucky. Except for Philip they are at the point where they need to wear their glasses if they want to see well.

And my roomie just got home from work. And of course she drove wearing her non prescription sunglasses. She doesn't get it does she? Chris beats to her own drum and does what she wants to do when she wants to do it. If she won't listen to an eye care professional she sure wouldn't listen to me.

 22 Apr 2016, 14:30

PS.: I forgot David, with his +2.25/+2.00 (slightly magnifying lenses):

With this hyperopia, a child can cope, there is not too much blurr, only a stronger effort of the muscles in the eye than with normal vision. So he likes it for homework, but there is still good vision for him when going out witout glasses-

His brother with the Minuslenses are unable to compensate, for them the choice is glasses or blurr, for him the choice is glasses with less effort or without glasses and an effort comparable to our effort when reading (but no blurr).

Michael 22 Apr 2016, 14:28

None of this is surprising to me except for your younger boys not wanting to follow the lead of their big brother. I thought they might. Even though all of them have different eye problems of varying degrees. But they all seem to be reacting pretty much like I thought they would. I can see why Chris wants to wear his glasses and why Philip doesn't think he needs glasses at all.And Scott seems to be seeing the benefit of wearing glasses which I thought he would. And David may come around but it may take some time. How did he wind up with like you said uncool glasses? Didn't he at least help pick them out? And considering David's age he may deal with peer pressure more than your other boys. But at some point he may come around and see the benefit of wearing his glasses in school.

But Jamie overall I don't think it was nearly as bad as you thought it would be. With all your boys getting glasses at the same time.I think we all have the tendency to fear the worst. I have to admit I often do as well. As Cactus Jack said don't push them especially David. Eventually they will see the benefit of wearing glasses and being able to see will become more important than any vanity issues they may have. Philip at least for now may be the toughest to come around because his vision without glasses is still quite good. Definitely can see why he doesn't think he needs glasses.

I am kind of dealing with the same thing with my roommate Chris as you may have read in some of my posts. She knows what the deal is and really needs to wear her glasses if she wants to be able to see but is going to fight it for as long as she can. So I can't pressure her because it will likely have the exact opposite effect. She has to do it on her own and on her own terms. And the doctor already told her she needs to wear them full time if she wants to be able to see. My concern more than anything else is I think she is going to continue to drive without corrective lenses which is a huge issue but I am not sure I can do anything about it. Even though other people's safety may be at risk along with hers. Unfortunately but maybe fortunately for Christine the state we live in doesn't ever require an eye exam when renewing a driver's license.I doubt seriously she would be able to pass a DMV eye test even though you can pass with something less than perfect vision. In my opinion if Chris had to pass an eye test she would either wind up with a restricted license or be denied a license completely if she refused to put on her glasses. She told me something about 20/70 vision but I have no idea if that is her left eye which is her bad eye or her right eye. But I don't think 20/70 gets it done in any state that requires an eye exam to get a license.

 22 Apr 2016, 14:28

Tie your tubes, Jaime.

Maxim 22 Apr 2016, 14:23

This is all very logical.

For Baby Trenton, it's essential, and gratulations, that this hyperopia is discovered, so he himself knows about the advantage.

Chris and Scott like the glasses, as there is an essential increase in their vision possibilities, they don't bother too much, how they're looking (they won't look ugly anyway), the advantage of seeing so much better is important, and so accepted with an open mind and heart.

For Philip it's difficult. The step is by far not as big as for his brothers. His Myopia might (I say might ...) increase, with or without glasses. Should his myopia reach 1.5, 2.0 or 2.5 (as his brothers' myopia) in one. two or more years time, he will try on his brothers' glasses from time to time, and then he will ask for adequate glasses.

My recommendation: eye test for him every other 6 months, don't force him to wear them now, he would hate it. If his myopia should grwo, he will ask ...

My best wishes for all of the family ...

Jamie 22 Apr 2016, 13:19

As for the other boys, David does not want to wear them regularly, or at school, but has started wearing them while doing homework. He says they help. He does not want to wear them to school because in his mind his glasses are uncool and his brothers' have the cool ones. He thinks he has grandpa glasses. Chris loved his glasses from the moment he put them on, and keeps them on all the time, he has taken this the best (well, maybe after Trenton). Scott thought his glasses made everything look weird at the begining, but now is wearing them sometimes around the house, and even took them with him to school today, don't know if he will actually wear them. Poor Philip seems to be having the hardest time. He hates the idea of wearing/needing glasses. He has been crying about them, saying he does not want to wear them. He keeps saying he does not need them, and he can see fine without them. Trenton is the opposite, if someone takes them off he starts crying. I took them off earlier to fix the strap, and ibce befire his nap, and I felt like a bad guy.

That is the rundown as of now.

Cactus Jack 22 Apr 2016, 09:51


That is truly wonderful news. I apologize for being slow to respond. Between computer problems and some demanding work I an doing, I have not been able to keep up with computer things.

I thought something like that would happen, but you just can't know how a person, particularly a 1 year old, will react to wearing glasses. When a person needs to wear strong PLUS glasses, everything is seriously out of focus at all distance. Close is the worst of all. I am sure that Trent's toys were just colored blobs to him. Don't be surprised if he does not want you to take his glasses off when he needs to sleep. He is experiencing a world he never knew existed and he does not want that wonderful experience to stop.

Vision is the most critical sense for learning and development. Glasses are simply tools to help fix vision problems. The really wonderful thing is that you took Trent along with the other boys for an exam and discovered that he really didn't see well. That means that corrective action can start immediately rather than waiting a few years. The REALLY important thing is that Amblyopia has been caught in its very early stages. Hopefully, it will be corrected by patching the good eye to make the poorer eye work harder and develop normally. There is a window of opportunity with Amblyopia that typically closes around 6 or 7 when the brain becomes so used to ignoring the poor image from one eye and simply turns off that eye. Even if the image from that eye can be corrected, once the brain has turned it off, we don't know how to get the brain to start using that eye again. There have been a few instances where the brain suddenly started using the bad eye again, but they are rare.

I am looking forward to hearing more about Trent and your other boys and their reaction to being able to see well. I sincerely hope that the contributions made by Soundmanpt, Michael, myself and others have been useful in helping you understand more about vision and optics.


Michael 22 Apr 2016, 08:00

Fantastic news.I am so happy for both you and Trenton. And yes how are your other boys doing with their glasses?I am anxiously waiting for an update.

Soundmanpt 22 Apr 2016, 07:50


That is so good to hear. Of course at the very first Trenton had no idea what was being put on him and he reacted. But as soon as he had a chance to look around with the glasses on he suddenly was excited at seeing everything so clearly. I'm sure he though all this has really bothered you seeing that he could see you and other things had to make you feel so much better about his wearing glasses. How are the other boys doing with their glasses? Have they accepted the idea of wearing glasses or are they complaining about wearing them?

Jamie 22 Apr 2016, 07:33

We picked up Trenton's glasses earlier, and I am speechless. The whole experience was magical. At first when the doctor put them on Trent he started crying, and trying to take them off, but when the doctor fixed them again Trenton was probably the happiest I have ever seen him. He kept looking all around the room, at all of our faces, and was smiling so much! Forget anything I felt before about glasses, I am so thankful for the doctors that got us to this point. My baby can see! I don't know what I would have done if Trenton did not take to his glasses. I am so glad he loves them.

Michael 21 Apr 2016, 17:58

Chris' boyfriend got here and Chris finally put on her glasses.Admitted she sees very well with them but said she doesn't like them and only kept them on for about 10 minutes or so. And off they went and unbelievably she actually put them back in the case which may be a first for her. But she even had an issue getting the glasses to fit into the case but finally figured it out. I was going to ask her if she needed me to help her. I went back into my room now to do some things on the computer but my guess is Chris' glasses will remain in the case for the rest of the night. And she said she won't wear them for driving because she needs her non prescription sunglasses.She didn't get prescription sunglasses because she couldn't afford them after spending about 250.00 on her glasses. She is so addicted to her non prescription sunglasses she will wear them on cloudy days and probably when she drives at night. Not sure about that because I haven't ridden with Chris much at night. But her eyes are very sensitive to light. Before we moved 18 months ago we lived in a 1 room studio apartment which was less than ideal because neither of us had any space. Somehow though we got two beds into the one big room. It was one big room plus a small kitchen and bathroom. The apartment was like an obstacle course. I also had my table with my computer and printer on it with the modem and router on the floor.It was near the bathroom and with the wires she often tripped on them when going to the bathroom and knocked out my Internet. So we had little choice but to move and get a bigger place. Now we each have our own bedroom. We lived together about 4 1/2 years at the old place. And when she went to bed I was up and had to shut off all the lights because she said she can't sleep with any lights on. I don't need lights on to use the computer but she even complained about the glare from my computer monitor.

I don't know a solution to help Chris with driving. She can't afford prescription sunglasses. I wonder if tinting her regular glasses would help. But she really needs glasses to drive.Especially when driving at night.She is lucky we live in a state that doesn't ever require an eye exam when renewing your license or I don't think she would pass. I do recall a specific episode which tells me Chris can't see anything at night. Two years ago I went for surgery and she drove me to the hospital about 5:30 or 6 in the morning when it was still dark. I wasn't paying attention to where she was going thinking she knew how to get to the hospital because she has gone there many times. And then I see we are near Burger King past the town line and that is not close to the hospital. Then I directed her how to get to the hospital. She took my car instead of hers because I have the handicapped pass which makes it easier for parking. If I would have known it was going to be that difficult for her to drive me to the hospital I would have drove myself and then she could have driven the car back home.

Her frame is a heavy black frame.She looks fine in her glasses. Very dignified.I told her that. But her boyfriend told her she looks like a school teacher and I am not sure he should have said that. Personally I would have gone with a metal frame. But Chris thinks if she gets a metal frame the lenses will pop out or the frame will break. I have worn glasses for over 50 years and never one time had lenses pop out. But she has had it happen at least a half dozen times in six years. Maybe even more. I am guessing this kept on happening because of the way she handled her glasses. But she always blamed the place saying her glasses were poorly made. She never accepted any responsibility for the broken glasses.

One thing I did notice is her lenses appear pretty thick.Couldn't get a good enough look at them though.She wouldn't let me try on her glasses but she did let her boyfriend. He told me he couldn't see well with her glasses and I told him he wouldn't because the glasses are not for his eyes.Paul is 47 years old and has recently began to use readers but I told him he needs to go for an eye exam because he complained about having a hard time driving at night and he is having problems reading even normal size print.

One more update. Paul and Chris ordered pizza and told me to get some which I did. And while in the living room Chris did put on her glasses again because she needed to make a couple of phone calls.She was still on the phone when I went back into my room but my guess is when she got off the phone the glasses also came off. I will see how this all plays out in the coming days and weeks. I think it comes down to what is more important to Chris. Is she going to want to be able see or is vanity going to

win out? My guess is usually being able to see wins out but it may take time.

And the last thing Chris should be thinking about now is contacts. Chris getting contacts may be like mixing kerosene with oil. And this is something I could not help her with. If she got contacts she would completely be on her own. I deal with a disability yet I help her with so many things. For Christmas I bought Chris a prepaid smartphone and I had to set the phone up because she wouldn't have a clue.And she always is messing up the TV. A couple of months ago she somehow messed up the remote control so I had to fix it. And a couple of days ago a couple of the stations had no volume. I first had to confirm the problem was not with the stations and once I confirmed that I had to find the source of the problem. And I did. One of the settings I think the SAP got changed so I had to go into the menu of the cable box to fix it. If it wasn't for me she wouldn't have any idea what to do. I am good with trouble shooting electronic devices which is good because Chris sure isn't.But because of my disability there are things she does better than I do like washing clothes.Also she does most of the cleaning. I washed dishes today but that is mostly her job. The garbage I take out most of the time. So I guess we are a good pair because we can help each other out.But neither of us is good with the vacuum cleaner.I think Chris messes up the TV because she tries to do things without wearing her glasses.

Michael 21 Apr 2016, 15:08

Well Chris got home maybe an hour or so ago. And guess what. She was not wearing her glasses. I then asked her if she got her glasses and she said yes.I then said to her I would like to see how she looks in her glasses and her response was not now. Maybe she wants to show her boyfriend her glasses first and not me. I love her but our relationship is platonic. I wonder if the doctor told her not to drive home wearing them. She will never get used to them unless she wears them. She paid a lot of money for the glasses even though insurance covered a lot of it.I can't ever imagine buying a pair of glasses that cost 800.00. Especially that my insurance does not cover eye wear. And she is already talking about getting contacts next year.

Chris may think she can wear contacts part time and go bare eyed the rest of the time. It doesn't work like that. Most people who have contacts wear glasses whenever they aren't wearing their contacts. And I am not sure getting adjusted to multi focal contacts would be easy. I guess she could do monovision but that doesn't work for everybody either. I also think she may have difficulty putting contacts in because she is klutzy. I was born with a mild case of cerebral palsy and I think I am less klutzy then she is. And I don't think I could ever do it because of the poor dexterity in my hands.If something can be broken Chris will break it. I usually don't do dishes. That is her job because most of the dishes are hers.But I saw the sink was full of dishes today so I was a nice guy and washed them. But I saw the thing for the drain was missing. I asked her where it was and she told me it broke. That is the third one that broke since we moved here 18 months ago. The original one plus the two I bought to replace the ones that broke. I am not buying another one even though they only cost about 5.00 each at the hardware store down the street. If she wants another one let her buy it.In my life I never remember a drain stopper ever breaking until Chris and I began living together. Those things I think are made of steel or some other very heavy metal. They should not be breaking. We do have wooden floors so my guess is she must keep on dropping them on the floor and it is with enough force that causes them to break. I even told them at the hardware store the last time I went there that I don't understand why the drain stoppers keep breaking.I never heard of one ever breaking before I met Chris. But somehow whenever I buy one it gets broken in a couple of months. I don't get it. That is why I won't buy any more drain stoppers.

Chris' boyfriend I think will be coming here tonight so then she may get the courage to put on her glasses. After she got home she turned on the TV and no glasses. It appears she talked a good game but actually wearing them is going to be an issue. She is probably very self conscious and doesn't think she looks good in her glasses. Although I am sure she looks fine.Am I surprised with today's developments? Absolutely not because I know Chris and what she does. She has to get the courage to put her glasses on and leave them on. If she won't wear them in front of me and her boyfriend she will never wear them in work. She may even go to work tomorrow with the drugstore readers in her purse that don't help her very much. And leave her new glasses home.She knows she needs to wear them to see well and the doctor said she needs to wear them full time if she wants to see But will Chris wear them? And she will never get used to the progressive lenses if she won't wear the glasses.If she won't wear them it is a complete waste that she even bought them. And just stuck with the drugstore readers.

I will keep you guys updated about Chris and her glasses. The whole thing may turn into a soap opera.And how long will it take her to either lose or break them? With an expensive frame and expensive lenses her glasses should not break if she takes even reasonable care of them.

 21 Apr 2016, 11:48

no it was a long time ago that LikeLenses was outed as LauraC. over and over again. but he pulls up that identity out of his pocket over and over again anyway. he made up this fantasy about seeing her in a restaurant and giving her a pair of glasses, and how she talked with him constantly... it was pure baboonery. people started asking questions, he couldn't answer, wouldn't answer... it became utterly obvious why.

Next we had Cheryl, then June, etc. It's all the same dude with nothing better to do than talk "to himself."

Michael 20 Apr 2016, 18:17

I remember Laura C. Wasn't she a girl who was very nearsighted and avoided wearing glasses unless it was absolutely necessary? Haven't seen anything from her in a few years now. I always wondered if she was a fake.

Michael 20 Apr 2016, 18:09

Likelenses-That girl you used to date sure reminds me of my Chris. I always have wondered two things. One is why they gave her eyeglass cases because Chris never used them. And second why would anybody play the game of constantly putting her glasses on and taking them off? Are they trying to prevent themselves from becoming dependent on them? I know your eyes are going to be what they are whether or not you wear your glasses or not.And Chris always kept her glasses either on top of her head or hanging on her shirt so they would be easily available to her if she needed them. It would have been a pain to keep them in the case and then put them on if she needed them.And constantly putting glasses on and taking them off draws attention. You are much better off just leaving them on if you need to do that I do most of the grocery shopping because shopping with her drove me crazy. While in the store her glasses went on and off maybe 20 times during a shopping trip. That made me nervous.

If Chris only needed glasses for reading I would say just stick with the readers. It would be much cheaper and if she lost them or they broke it wouldn't be a big deal. But her near vision is so poor even the highest powered over the counter readers don't help her that much. She still needs a magnifying glass as well to see small print. And her distance vision isn't good either and finally she is admitting it. She needs to wear her new glasses full time. When Chris asked the doctor if she needs to wear them full time his answer was if you want to see. And she would leave the readers almost anyplace in the apartment and often couldn't find them. That is why she bought a couple of pair because if she couldn't find one pair then she would have an extra pair.

I never asked Chris why she did what she did. But it sure made me nervous. At least now she is admitting she can't see either close or distance. Did you ever ask that girl why she just didn't leave her glasses on instead of doing the on and off thing? I bet it made you as nervous as Chris has made me.

Is there still a psychology of glasses thread? This post probably would belong there. You reach a point when you have little choice but to bite the bullet and Chris has been there for a while now I think. A script doesn't often tell the whole story but watching Chris it is easy to tell she doesn't see very well. And her eyes have to work very hard I would guess to see when she isn't wearing her glasses.Her previous prescription glasses were standard bifocals but she never really used them for distance before she lost or broke them. One of the few times I have ever seen her wear glasses to watch TV is when the Triple Crown is on. She likes horse racing so will always put them on to watch a race to see details.She never has worn glasses to drive. But that may be changing beginning tomorrow. But up to now she avoided wearing glasses unless she absolutely needed them to see something.

 20 Apr 2016, 17:28


Likelenses 20 Apr 2016, 15:29


Your girlfriend Chris reminds me of a girl that I dated some time ago,regarding the use,and care,or lack thereof taken with her glasses.

Laura,was significantly nearsighted,and had a boat load of astigmatism in both eyes.When I would pick her up for a date the glasses were either on the top of her head,laying on the coffee table,or stuffed in her purse without their case. When we walked out of her apartment she was always bare eyed,but after getting in my car,on they went. When arriving at our destination,off they came,and that routine continued throughout the evening.After our date, we usually spent some time watching TV.The glasses were on for viewing,but came off if she got up,to get snacks,or use the bathroom,then back on again for more TV viewing.

From all of this handling those glasses were in the worst condition that I have ever seen.The hinges were so loose that they just flopped opened,or closed,and the ear pieces were misshapen.The lenses were all scratched up,so much,that I wondered how she saw through them.

She worked in a hospital,and had a very responsible position,and only had the one pair of glasses.I often wondered what her coworkers,and patients thought of the condition of those glasses,and the peculiar wearing habits.

I do not remember her squinting without them,but with their strength she most likely did.

Michael 20 Apr 2016, 10:01

Here is Chris' script for your info which I posted about 10 days ago in the New Glasses thread.

OD Sphere +1.50 Cylinder -.50 Axis 80 Add +2.00

OS Sphere +2.75 Cylinder -.75 Axis 95 Add +2.00

And for comparison here is her script from March 2014.

OD Sphere +1.00 Cylinder -.50 Axis 75 Add +2.00

OS Sphere +3.00 Cylinder -1.25 Axis 100 Add +2.00

Doesn't appear to me her vision has changed that much from two years ago.But in my opinion most people with her script would have been wearing glasses full time all along.

Michael 20 Apr 2016, 09:36

Just an update on my roommate Christine. Her new glasses are in and she will collect them tomorrow. She can't go today because the place is closed on Wednesday so she will go tomorrow after work. She could have gone yesterday but she had to wash clothes which she should have done on Monday when she was off from work but that is another matter. Chris doesn't always do what she should when she should do it.

But getting back to Chris and her glasses I am anxious to see how it all will play out. I think she knows the deal. The doctor told her she needs to wear them full time if she wants to be able to see. She has already told some people she needs to wear glasses all day so it seems like she has accepted it. Now lets see what happens when she gets her glasses tomorrow. I offered to go with her but she will go directly from work. I told her not to be afraid to ask them questions and when she gets home if she has any questions to ask me and I will try to answer them as best as I can. What I don't know is if she has told anybody in work she is getting new glasses that she is supposed to wear all day long. If she did it may make things a little easier for her.She always has been in denial about her vision. She used to tell people even without being prompted that she only needed glasses to read small print. Which might have been the case 10 years ago but certainly not now. Now she is telling people her eyes are bad. How much she can see who knows? But when she had her last eye exam two years ago and saw her script I felt she should wear them full time but could never tell her that especially when the doctor never said anything to her. This time she decided to go to a different place. This doctor couldn't figure out how Chris could drive without glasses. But CT is one of the few states where you never have to pass an eye exam to renew your license.

When she told me how much her glasses cost I almost flipped. About 800 dollars. But I think all of it is covered by insurance but about 250.00 which she has to pay. She told me the lenses were over 500.00 and the frame over 200.00. She obviously got the premium progressive lenses and they do cost that much. Plus an expensive frame. Are the more expensive lenses easier to adjust to? They must provide clearer vision at all distances than the standard ones do. Where I went for my glasses they never asked me what kind of progressive lenses I wanted. So mine I think are the standard ones. I last got new glasses in 2014 and my lenses I think were like 200.00 and my frame was about 85.00. Total bill was 285.00.

She also went for a plastic frame. When she got a metal frame in the past the lenses kept popping out. But I think that had more to do with how she handled her glasses than anything else. I have worn glasses for over 50 years and never once in my life did lenses ever pop out and she has had it happen numerous times in the last 6 years or so since she got her first prescription glasses. For the past number of years I have opted for metal frames because for whatever reason the plastic frames constantly slipped down my nose and no matter how many times I would try to get them adjusted it still kept on happening. But she said her frame has spring hinges so hopefully she won't have a problem with her glasses slipping.

And if she wears them full time like she is supposed to she won't lose her glasses and the chances that they will break will also lessen significantly I would think. But Chris may be the worst person I have ever seen with glasses. She is as good as anybody as far as losing or breaking them. I would bet on a 8 year old who never wore glasses before to have less problems than Chris always seems to run into.

She seems worried that she will look dorky with glasses and dorky was the word she used. But I am sure she will look great. I asked her if somebody there helped her pick out the frame and she said they did. But Chris' poor vision was very obvious to me and probably to other people as well. She does squint a lot and seems sensitive to light.And when she is home to read something she often uses her readers and a magnifying glass to be able to see.Chris' vision is at a point where even if she gets the most powerful over the counter readers they aren't going to help her that much.She always has been great about putting on glasses to read something and then taking them right off.Cactus Jack and others here have often said that constantly putting glasses and taking them off makes you more conspicuous than just leaving them on. I totally agree with that. Plus I don't think she needs to read much in her job so over the course of a 8 hour workday she never wore her glasses much at work. She would keep them on either the top of her head or hanging from her shirt and that is asking for trouble. Either the glasses will get stretched out or will fall and maybe break. Chris wearing her glasses full time should alleviate that problem. And now she is admitting to people her distance vision is bad too. And her close vision has been bad for a number of years. Christine is 54 years old.She told me when they checked her distance vision she could read almost none of the letters especially with her left eye which is her weak eye. She told me everything was completely blurry with that eye and a little less blurry with her right. She knows now her vision is bad and needs to wear her glasses.But shouldn't she have been able to figure that out without a doctor saying something? My experience is most of them don't advise you when to wear glasses unless you specifically ask.But this doctor laid it right out to Chris which I think is good.

I will keep you guys updated as to what happens when she gets her glasses. But I think she is going to notice a huge improvement in her vision at all distances when she gets her new glasses and begins wearing them and will want to wear them. At least I hope so. Not that I necessarily want her to wear glasses full time but I know she needs to wear them in order to see. And glasses for women as others have often pointed out can be a fashion accessory.

Michael 19 Apr 2016, 17:52

Jamie- I will be very interested in hearing how everything works out with your children and their glasses. As Cactus Jack said you will have your hands full over the next few days.

Cactus Jack 19 Apr 2016, 09:51


Expert is greatly overstating the case. As I have said many times, I am not an Eye Care Professional, but an Amateur in the original French sense.

Here is what I think will happen and my suggestions.

David has mild Hyperopia and his glasses have a + prescription. Hyperopia is the ONLY condition that can be internally corrected, often without even being aware that they are doing it. I suspect his first reaction will be that they make his distance vision worse or have no effect. They may make it easier to read and do close work. He really should wear his glasses full time, but it may be best to not force him. I suspect he will decide on his own when he wants to wear them.

When David uses his Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses (his auto-focus system) to correct his Hyperopia, he is using up some of his Accommodation to see distant things clearly and even more Accommodation to read or focus close. At 9, he should have plenty of Accommodation to deal with that. However, as he gets older, Presbyopia will start causing him problems. The idea that Presbyopia does not happen until 40 is a myth. Presbyopia actually starts in childhood, but does not become a problem until you are much older.

It is possible that David’s + prescription may decrease as he grows. That will probably not happen with the children that need - glasses.

Chris and Scott should wear their glasses full time. I think they will notice immediate improvement in their vision and will probably be pleasantly surprised at what they have been missing. It may take a week or two to really get used to the improved vision. Vision actually occurs in the brain and the brain has amazing image processing abilities. It can actually correct some poor images if it knows what something is supposed to look like. Astigmatism, corrected by Cylinder and Axis, causes distorted images to be delivered to the brain. It is used to correcting the images as best it can. With the glasses, particularly with Scott, the images are corrected by the glasses, but the brain will continue trying to correct the images until it learns that it is no longer necessary. For a while some things will look funny to them while their brains reprograms itself. When I got my first glasses the ceiling corners of rooms looked funny. I knew that the corners were actually “square”, but they walls and ceiling looked like they were meeting at an angle. The fastest way for them to get used to having good vision is to wear their glasses full time.

It is possible that Chris may initially have some close focusing problems with his glasses. His prescription means that his myopia is pretty close to the effect of having “built-in” reading glasses. He is not used to using his focusing muscles to focus close. It is likely that his Ciliary Muscles are weak. Normally, the Ciliary (focusing) Muscles are the strongest muscles in the body for their size. Chris and maybe Scott, may have focusing trouble until their Ciliary Muscles get stronger. it takes a few weeks.

Philip may be able to get by without his glasses, but I suspect he will want to do what his big brothers are doing.

Nick may want to join the crowd and get some glasses too. He may want to try on Philips glasses, but may be reluctant to give them back.

You are going to have your hands full for a few days until the “new” wears off. They will be trying each others glasses and discovering a lot about optics without understanding how it works.

Please let me know what happens. But the way, if you want to contact me privately, my email is


Jamie 19 Apr 2016, 07:24

The older kids' glasses just got in, going to take them to get their glasses after school today. Hope it all goes well.

Cavtus Jack

You seem to be the expert around here, so I woul appreciate your thoughts on how,often/when tgey should,wear their glasses.

Can't belive this is happening. 4/6 of ny kids are glasses today, and little Trent is going to be getting his soon enough.

 17 Apr 2016, 00:01

Michael: you were asking yesterday what happens if you post without a nickname. The answer is: THIS!

love and kisses, Jules.


Spexy guys are sexy guys

Michael 16 Apr 2016, 18:49

astigmaphile-Agree completely.I wish they could block the IP addresses of the trolls so that they can't post here. But if they made you sign up before posting it would make things better. I know what the trolls do. They use the names of regular posters or don't use a name at all. They do that to try to disguise themselves. And they also keep on changing their name. One advantage of having to sign up is you would have the same screen name all the time.

astigmaphile 16 Apr 2016, 15:23


The trolls bother me, too. Not only are they rude, they have posted under my user name and other people's. It is obvious by the content that the postings are not from me or other regular users.

Michael 16 Apr 2016, 10:35

Soundmanpt- I forgot that about Jennifer getting a prescription for glasses two years ago with a script of .50 for each eye. Now that you mention it I do remember. But with a script that small I can understand why she didn't fill it. She could get by very easily without glasses.Probably just about the only thing they would have helped her with would have been driving especially at night or in inclement weather conditions.

Michael 16 Apr 2016, 10:27

Jamie- I am glad it isn't a big deal to you that people troll. It is only a handful of people but I still find it upsetting. You would think they would have better things to do with their time.But I don't know how it is possible that all of your children have eye problems of varying degrees. It is easy to blame it on bad genes but from what you told us it doesn't appear that there is a history of eye problems in either your family or your husband's that would be out of the ordinary.

MIchael 16 Apr 2016, 10:18

Melyssa-Eyescene is just about the only site I am aware of where you don't have to register in order to post messages.

Melyssa 16 Apr 2016, 08:23

Astigmaphile and Michael, I agree with you 200% that registration would be better than having these no-name Pittsburgh Penqueens fans trolling here. They do that on, but they still have to register to comment.

Jamie, I hope everything turns out okay for Trenton. As for genes, my parents and grandparents (my mother's parents at least, because my father's parents were long gone before I came along) all wore glasses, which probably is why I got my referee-like poor vision starting about age 8.

Soundmanpt 16 Apr 2016, 07:53

It's really quite easy to understand how Jennifer got so dependent on her glasses so quickly. Jennifer did comment in an earlier post that she had her eyes examined about 2 years ago and at that time she was prescribed -.50 for glasses but she didn't bother getting glasses at the time because she didn't feel like she really needed them and she clearly doesn't like wearing glasses. Of course only being -.50 she was able to get by rather easily without glasses. But as we all know her eyes weren't going to remain at -.50 and over the past 2 years her eyesight has deteriorated at about the rate one might expect from year to year. Only this time when she got her eyes examined she realized that she needed to get glasses even if she didn't want to. I have a feeling that she may at the time thought that she would be able to get by with only wearing them at certain times, but once she put them on and she saw what she had missing it made it very hard for her to want to take her glasses off anymore. So of course the more she wore them the quicker her eyes were getting fully adjusted to them and now when she would take her glasses off everything was far more blurry than it seemed to be before she got her glasses. The reason she needed an increase so quickly was mostly because refracting her eyes was difficult because at the time the lenses the doctor out in front of her face did seem to give her 20/20 vision and like you say doctors never want to over correct the eyes. But once her eyes started adjusting to her glasses she soon realized that they needed to be slightly stronger. So her re exam was much more accurate than the first one even though it was only a week or so apart. Sadly she has opted for contacts which is a bad word in here but she is still a teen and worried about her social life and what impact her wearing glasses would have. She didn't wear her glasses long enough to accept that she is every bit as attractive wearing glasses as she is without glasses. But if a boyfriend were to tell her how good she looks wearing glasses she might go back to wearing her glasses and forget she has contacts.

Jamie 16 Apr 2016, 07:45

Thanks for standing up for me guys, but it is not a big deal. The no name user is right, Trenton's biggest problem is his genes, but my husband is not just some sperm doner, he is their father. You may not like the name Trenton, but it has a very special meaning for my husband and me, and a beautiful meaning in general.

Michael 16 Apr 2016, 07:10

Puffin-You may be right that some people don't want to take the time to sign up. Even though it usually takes no more than a minute or two to do so. I belong to many survey and online forum sites and don't find it a big deal or time consuming to sign up. But neglecting these people sounds like a good plan because they are looking for a reaction and when they don't get it it defeats the purpose of trolling in the first place and they will go away. At least I hope they will.

Michael 16 Apr 2016, 06:58

Julian- I have a question for you that you may have the answer to because you have been here a long time. If you post without using a ES nickname doesn't it show up as Guest instead of no name at all? I have seen posts before with the name Guest but that may be people using that as their nickname.

But getting to your original point I can't see why they can't get rid of the trolls. It may involve just blocking an IP address.Would that be difficult to do?

A number of years ago I was permanently expelled from a sports message board site because the moderator thought I was too negative. I might have been negative at times but I thought in online forums you could express opinions as long as you didn't attack anybody personally.Which I never did. And there were times people attacked me personally and they were allowed to post and I wasn't. Which wasn't fair. And I never took a personal attack on any poster or player. It had to be my IP address which was blocked.

Because after I was expelled I tried to sign up again using my roommate's e-mail address and wasn't able to do so.

What bothers me more than anything else is Jamie with all she is going through right now doesn't need to see things like this. I wonder why people troll in the first place. My guess is they are looking for a reaction. They always say don't feed the trolls which means neglect them.And then eventually they will go away.

Julian 16 Apr 2016, 03:59

Actually, there was a period between 1999 and 2001 when you did have to register to be a member of EyeScene. It was possible to post as a 'Guest' and (for the first 20 or so posts) as a 'Junior Member' - I wonder whether a troll could be excluded.

Puffin 16 Apr 2016, 02:43

The problem with registration is that when someone comes here just to ask a few questions and nothing else, registration could put them off.

It's best to ignore the idiots. There's always plenty of them.

Michael 15 Apr 2016, 20:08

astigmaphile- I agree with you 100%.I can't believe there are people who don't have better things to do with their time.It is a few people who try to ruin it for the rest of us.

astigmaphile 15 Apr 2016, 15:52

It is time that Eyescene users had to register if they want to post. Vision and Specs requires this and there are less problems there.

Michael 15 Apr 2016, 14:49

DS- I totally agree with you about doctors in general. Many people are looking for advice and guidance and doctors don't always offer it. In this case with Trenton I have read nothing that suggests one treatment method works better than another.It may be one of those deals where one method works for one person and another works for somebody else. But doctors will explore every other treatment option before considering surgery. Jamie can't be afraid to ask the doctors questions.As you said they know the whole situation which none of us do. You have to trust the doctors. We still can try to help out Jamie but the doctors may be her best source for info because they have all the facts. But in the past I have found some doctors to be intimidating which made me afraid to ask questions. Unfortunately I think there are doctors out there who don't want to be challenged and may consider it an insult if a patient asks questions. I know because I experienced this in the past and on more than one occasion. There were at least a couple of times when I asked a doctor a question and he gave me either an insulting or sarcastic reply. Which I didn't appreciate. Some doctors have terrible bedside manners.There is more to being a doctor than just knowing your stuff.

I agree with you about patching that it wouldn't be for the whole day.But getting Trenton to wear the patch for even a couple of hours a day might be a challenge.

Michael 15 Apr 2016, 14:27

I guess you can post without a ES nickname. Couldn't somebody just block the IP address of that person so he or she can't post here?

Michael 15 Apr 2016, 14:22

Why is somebody trolling here?Jamie is dealing with some serious issues and we don't need somebody making fun of the situation.Some of us here are trying to help out Jamie but we have a person making insulting comments. Completely uncalled for. Is there a way to delete the messages or to prevent that person from posting again? Maybe not but I wish there was. I love Eyescene and have learned so much from the experts here. But unfortunately we still run into people who are trying to ruin things for everybody who posts here. Earlier this week I saw somebody taking attacks on Cactus Jack which was so wrong. He has done nothing but help out a lot of people who have posted here. He has never misrepresented himself in any way. And with his background he has a lot of knowledge which he is willing to share. I have learned so much from him.

 15 Apr 2016, 12:36

Why Trenton for a name? Camden was taken?

 15 Apr 2016, 12:05

The biggest problems with Trent's vision is the crappy genes you and the sperm donor passed on.

DS 15 Apr 2016, 10:58


I suspect that the biggest problem with Trenton's vision is that excess focusing to overcome the natural farsightedness causes the eyes to converge, or cross, as if reading up close. This would cause double vision since the eyes wouldn't be aligned on the target. The difference in prescription between the two eyes is also a factor in presenting two distinct images to the brain. The brain has a way to handle this-- it rejects one of the two images and forces vision to be processed out of one eye only.

The good news is that Trenton's vision has been screened early and can be managed/corrected. Farsightedness and the associated eye turn is quite common. No shame anywhere, and quite positive that this is discovered early before possible/likely permanent vision loss. I hope you aren't feeling too much anxiety. Your children are getting great care!

Don't be afraid to ask for more information from the doctors. If you need more info from the ophthalmologist, call and ask. (And don't feel intimidated. You have permission ask for his professional recommendation on which course of treatment would provide the best outcome. Doctors should never just put choices out there without as much supporting information as possible, given that the doc has all the experience.) It sounds like you may need more info on the patching. I don't think this would be "all day" patching... probably a couple of hours a day, manageable within the home setting, and not as bad as you may envision.

Also, if you want to feed info from the ophthalmologist visit back to the optometrist and get an updated opinion based on the additional findings, call and talk. Just because the exam is over you don't have to feel like you are finished.

Finally, remember that noone here or elsewhere on the Internet has complete facts. Trust and rely on your doctors!

Michael 15 Apr 2016, 10:23

One more thing I forgot to say. Your husband could have asked the doctor just how bad Trenton's eyes are.I don't think he is almost blind. Somebody correct me if I am wrong but a person isn't considered to be legally blind unless their corrected vision is 20/200 or worse in their better eye. And by corrected vision I mean vision wearing either glasses or contacts.

Now I will wait for other people to chime in. Will be curious what they have to say. Jamie you sure are dealing with a full plate right now aren't you? I say try the patch first unless Cactus Jack has other ideas. He has been busy lately and am sure he will write when he gets a chance to.But in the meantime some of us here are trying to help you.

Michael 15 Apr 2016, 10:04


You are so right.Glasses and an eye patch both are going to draw attention.And thank you for sharing the info about Trenton. My guess is after what you have told us there is at least going to be a decent chance that Trenton is not going to tolerate the eye patch. And don't blame yourself for not noticing Trenton's eye turning in. You would have had no reason to notice his eye but now you are conscious of it because you realize he has a problem.

And as for what Trenton's uncorrected vision is I don't think there is a way to find out. Children have very good accommodation so they can overcome a decent amount of farsightedness. But Trenton's script is certainly high. I wish I could give you a more definitive answer.

I did some research a couple of years ago when I was trying to analyze my roommate Christine's vision. I wanted to take her script which is a combination of farsightedness, astigmatism and presbyopia and convert it into a 20/20 format. But it can't be done. I then wrote to Cactus Jack and he said the same thing. It may have something to do with accommodation. The older you get the less accommodation you have and that is why almost everybody needs at least reading glasses by their mid 40's. All Cactus Jack told me about Chris' vision was most people with her script would wear it full time but I pretty much knew that already once I saw it.

That may be an issue with David and his glasses. 9 year olds have very good accommodation so he may be able to overcome his farsightedness at its present level and doesn't show any obvious vision problems. But as he gets older even if his farsightedness doesn't get worse it will be harder and harder to do. He will reach a point when it will be more and more difficult for him to see clearly without glasses especially close up.He could have vanity issues and not want to wear his glasses in school especially if none of his friends wear glasses. Plus he may still see pretty well without glasses. He hasn't had any issues in school that may be vision related that you are aware of has he? I got glasses at about David's age but the difference was I was nearsighted and he is farsighted. And somehow I got away with wearing them at school even though I was supposed to until high school although I did wear them sometimes at home when watching TV and when I studied especially when I did so for an extended period of time. I remember the doctor told my mother I didn't need to wear them all the time but was supposed to wear them in school except for PE class and for activities when you needed good distance vision like going to movies, attending sporting events and TV. My doctor wouldn't have probably said anything but my mother always made sure she asked him when I should wear my glasses. That made me nervous because I was afraid he might have said full time.She had no clue I didn't wear my glasses in school all those years. As it was she nagged me a lot at home when I wasn't wearing my glasses when she thought I should be. She often would say Michael put your glasses on but I often didn't if I thought I could get by without them.

I apologize for getting off the subject here but I brought all of this up because of David. It may not be easy for you to get him to wear them especially if he thinks he can get by without them. One thing you could do which my mother I don't think ever did is notify David's teacher when he gets his glasses.That way he or she would be aware that David is supposed to be wearing them in school.

Michael 15 Apr 2016, 09:09


I did some reading on the subject because to be honest I don't know much about strabismus which is crossed eyes.I tend to agree with Soundmanpt about trying the patch first after I did some research. As for the eye drops I had no clue either but did read the purpose would be to blur the vision in the good eye which kind of is stupid to me. The patch would serve the same purpose covering the stronger eye and forcing the person to use the weak eye.

But I did read that treatments range from drops, patching, visual training which I assume to be eye exercises, corrective eye wear which in this case is glasses and surgery is only an option in either very severe cases or if everything else fails. And the sooner you can begin treatment the better the chances it will be successful.

I am still thinking about why your pediatrician did the vision screening for all of your children. You should be very thankful to him for doing it no matter what the reason was.My guess is he did it for one of two reasons. He either saw a red flag when looking into your children's eyes or since it was the first time you brought your children to this doctor he just decided to do it. I know when I was a kid my doctor didn't do a vision screening when my mother brought me for a physical or shots or whatever.

And don't blame yourself for not picking up that all your children have vision problems. The teachers didn't either and they are trained professionals. And if somebody is farsighted unless it is severe enough to affect distance vision the vision screenings done in school will not pick up on that.That was probably the case with David.

I feel bad that you have so much on your plate right now. Dealing with Trenton is more than enough. But now you have to worry about your other boys getting glasses and whether they will want to wear them. And what to do if anything if they refuse to wear them. You and your husband getting fake glasses might work but if you haven't had eye exams in the last 2 or 3 years maybe you should get them now just in case either of you needs glasses which probably isn't the case.

Sorry to hear you have been feeling under the weather. I know you wanted to be there for Trenton's eye exam and you really had to be sick not to go. We now need Cactus Jack's expert opinion. I have tried to help you as best as I can but he may be able to shed some light on both the eye drops and what to do if Trenton does not tolerate the eye patch.

Likelenses idea of the mittens sounds interesting but not sure it will work. Trenton may just take off the mittens and then after he does that take off the eye patch. Distracting his attention sounds like a better idea and the key to that would be to make him forget he is wearing it. Hopefully it won't be that uncomfortable.But maybe you will luck out and he will tolerate the patch and you won't have to resort to finding a way for him to keep it on.

But some of your issues seem to be questions that might be best answered by a child psychologist and not an eye care professional. Getting a child to do something they don't want to do isn't easy.With an older child you can try bribery which I don't necessarily advocate but at times you become desperate. But offering an incentive like buying a special gift or doing a special activity with them might work. But Trenton is way to young to try to negotiate a deal with.But maybe it would work with David to try to get him to wear his glasses.My fear is if David refuses to wear his glasses your other children may as well because I am sure they all look up to their big brother and will follow his lead.

I wish I could help you more than I have but I am not a MD even though those are my initials.You may have to wait for Cactus Jack to respond because he is the expert around here.

Jamie 15 Apr 2016, 08:37

Thanks for the input guys. I have been looking around myself, and am leaning more towards the patching too. The only thing that was making me think the drops would be a good idea is that the patch would draw more attention to him, but let's face it patch or no patch the glasses will draw enough attention as it is. Hopefully he will keep his glasses on though. I have tried putting sweatbands on him in the past, and he hates anything on his face or head. Now that I know what to look for, I have noticed that when Trenton drinks out of his bottle his eye seems tibgo towards his nose. How did I not notice that earlier. What kind of mother would not notice something like that? Is Trenton almost blind? How had is his eyesight? How much can he see?


As for the other boys, their glasses come next week, not today. Their doctor had said in about two weeks.

Soundmanpt 15 Apr 2016, 07:26


One big thing Trenton has going for him is the fact that he is so young. Catching things like that tends to work for the younger kids and the younger the better. Personally patching has been used for many years and the results seem good for young kids. To be honest I don't know anything about how the drops work? Maybe Cactus Jack can shed some light on that option. Trenton might not object as much as you might think because right now his eyesight is making it very difficult for him to watch cartoons on TV and now with his glasses he should rather quickly understand that with the glasses he will be able to see the TV much better.

So am I right that today is the day the other boys get their glasses? It will be interesting to see how they will react to wearing glasses. That could be a struggle for you. If they are momma's boys then you may need to buy a pair of fake glasses to wear to encourage them to wear their glasses. If their more daddy's boys then your husband should consider finding some fake glasses for the same reason. This has been proven to work. Sorry to hear that your sick and of course you didn't need that to happen now either with everything else going on in your life.

Likelenses 14 Apr 2016, 21:25


Since the doctor said that the tendency for the eye to move in is SLIGHT,I would go with the patching.

Any drug put in to the body should only be a last resort.There are always side effects to any drug.

When you first start to use the patch,it may be a good idea to put a pair of mittens on his hands before the patch. The idea here is the mittens will be a distraction,and he most likely will try to take them off before trying to remove the patch.

If all goes well for the first week,then try putting on only the patch.If he tries to remove it,go back to the mittens.

Also right after putting on the patch ,try to distract his attention,but getting him involved in something that he likes,perhaps a snack,or a plaything that you know he enjoys.

Michael 14 Apr 2016, 15:55

Did the doctor think one would be easier than the other? Doesn't sound like a great choice to me. Putting drops in a kids eye doesn't sound easy because he may not let you do it You may wind up with more drops on the floor or on his clothes than in his eye. And he might not tolerate the patch. If he was older you might be able to make a little game out of it and make him think he was a pirate. And possibly offer him some incentive if he kept the patch on. All I can say is good luck. I hate it when doctors offer options and don't give you any advice how to do what they say. It isn't easy.

Thank god I never had kids. I was born with a slight case of cerebral palsy that mainly affects my hands especially fine dexterity. With my hands there is no way I could put drops in anybody's eyes especially a 1 year old. That is why contact lenses never would have been an option for me. With my hands I never would be able to put them in and take them out. I love it when people say something is easy but they don't deal with a disability like I have my entire life. I remember how hard it was for my mother to teach me how to zip a zipper and button a jacket and tie shoes. Eventually I figured it out but even though I was very young I remember how frustrated she got with me. To this day I don't tie shoes like a normal person does but at least I can tie them the way I do it.

I can do a lot of things very well and consider myself very intelligent but I have to accept it there are going to be things I can't do or at least do very well because of my disability.

But getting back to Trenton again I don't know what I would do. Neither option sounds great. You may need a child psychologist to help you with this and believe me that is way beyond my expertise. Did the doctor think one option might be a little easier than the other or is he just leaving it up to you? What does your husband think? I guess if one option doesn't work they will want to try the other one. Surgery like it always is would be a last resort.

I wish I could help you more with this. I will be waiting to see what others here have to say. All I will say is whatever you do I hope it works out for you, your husband and Trenton.I wish you the best of luck.

Jamie 14 Apr 2016, 15:19

Well, my husband had to take Trenton to his appointmnet because I got really sick. He siad the doctor said his left eye has a slight tendency to move in, and that we will have to either oatch or use some eye drops to help it out. He also reexamined Trenton's prescription, and his new one is higher than what the other doctor found, it is +7.75, and +9.75. His glasses should be ready the monday after the other boys'. I am completly in over my head with all this, and do not even know where to start. There is so much all at once. Now the patching or drops, I do not know what to do. The doctor said we can chose one to start with, moniter the progress, and see if we need to try the other, or the option I do not even want to think about, surgery. What do you guys think?

Michael 13 Apr 2016, 14:35


I agree with you about Trenton.I doubt seriously the script from the pediatric opthalmologist will be much different from the script he was prescribed by the other doctor.

But as to what to do if they refuse to wear their glasses that one is completely out of my league. Thank god I never had children because I would have no clue what to do.A great question for Jamie to ask the doctor. It might work out better that they all are getting glasses at the same time but if one doesn't want to wear his glasses the others might not want to either.I know Cactus Jack said not to push David who is the oldest to wear his glasses and I understand why he said that but that may make his younger siblings not to as well although their eye issues might be completely different from David's.

Cactus Jack has always said you can't make somebody wear their glasses which is true but that may only apply to adults.Although I got glasses when I was 9 and was supposed to wear them in school and never did until I was in high school and my mother had no clue I didn't till the day she died.I remember she made me bring them to school and I kept them in the case in my pants pocket but I don't think I took them out even once in about 6 years. I may have worn them when I first got them which would have been 4th grade I guess but kids teased me and then I stopped wearing them. I used to even find ways to cheat on the vision screenings in school. One of my eyes was much better than the other so it wasn't really that difficult to cheat.

Now I am dealing with my roommate Christine.I wrote about her a few days ago in the New Glasses thread.She went for an eye exam last Thursday and was prescribed progressive lenses which she is supposed to wear full time. Which was a shock to her even though she had standard bifocals before but she never used them other than for reading and then would take them right off after she was done reading whatever she was.

She seems to accept this which is a good sign but this is Chris we are talking about. She also gave me her script and I made a copy of it and I also had a copy of her last script which was from a different doctor two years ago and the scripts were pretty similar so it doesn't appear her eyes changed very much. Last time I found her script while she was in work and borrowed it to make a copy for my records.It is good I did that so I have something now to compare it to.

I wanted it two years ago so I could write here which I did. I still remember what Cactus Jack told me. He told me even though most people with Chris' script would wear it full time not to push her about it And I never did. I just let wear her glasses when she wanted to wear them which wasn't often at all. And her job I don't think involves much reading so most of the day I think her glasses are off.

Chris should be getting her new glasses in a few days I would imagine. Maybe around the beginning of next week. Then the fun will begin.

She told me that no other doctor ever told her she needs glasses full time even though she has has bifocals for about 6 years. Chris is now 54 years old. I asked Chris how old she was when she first started using over the counter readers and she said she was about 40. I met Chris for the first time about 9 years ago when we both worked together at Wal Mart. And she was using readers back then.

I am worried about Chris with the progressive lenses. She is a very impatient person so I wonder If she will get frustrated with them right away.I got my first progressives at about 45 and adjusted to them pretty easily from what I remember.But at that point I was pretty much full time anyway with my distance glasses so wearing progressives full time was not really a big deal. And now I am 62 soon to be 63 in May.

The doctor was shocked she could drive without glasses.I always wondered the same thing.But wouldn't you have thought when Chris got her first bifocals about 6 years ago they would have said something to her about when to wear them instead of just giving her the glasses and sending her on her merry way which apparently is what happened.

If a doctor never suggested she wear them full time I certainly couldn't tell her to. Chris' left eye is weaker than her right and I think she was getting by using her right eye. Always remember what Cactus Jack says. If their are differences in the vision between the two eyes the brain will choose the sharper image. But now it appears that the vision in Chris' right eye which is her good eye is slightly worse now than it was two years ago. Which would seem to me it makes it harder to compensate for her left eye.

If I ever suggested to Chris to wear glasses full time she would say to me what you are an eye doctor now. No but I do know a little something about eyeglass prescriptions thanks in part to Cactus Jack, you and some of the other experts on Eyescene. I have been a lurker here for over 10 years but have not written often.

But now that the doctor told her she needs to wear her glasses full time that is a different ballgame.The first thing she told me when she got home on Thursday is her eyes are bad. In reality they aren't that bad but bad enough for her to benefit from full time wear.She also told me she couldn't read almost any of the letters on the wall. She said with one eye which I guess is her left everything was completely blurry and with her other eye only a little blurry.She said something about 20/70 but don't know if that is her right eye or left. Also asked Cactus Jack two years ago if he could estimate Chris' uncorrected distance vision and he said it is almost impossible when somebody has a plus script with astigmatism. I wanted to compare her vision to mine and I have a plus script for distance as well and my vision appears better than hers and I wear progressives full time. I wanted to gauge what she can see but I guess that is next to impossible.And her astigmatism which isn't that much still is enough to affect both her close and distance vision.

I would think if Chris wears her glasses full time like the doctor told her to she will notice a big improvement in her distance vision and want to wear her glasses.But nothing ever goes smoothly for Chris so I don't expect this to either.I will keep you informed what happens after Chris gets her glasses. I will give her all the encouragement I can and hope she she asks the doctor questions when she picks them up. Plus I also told her if she has any questions she can ask me and I will try my best to answer any questions she may have. I may not be an expert but I do feel I know quite a bit about this subject.

Soundmanpt 13 Apr 2016, 09:16


I am glad to see that Cactus Jack, Micheal and Likelenses have been working to provide you with answers as best as they can. In answer to your question about Trenton getting a different prescription from the pediatric ophthalmologist I would have to assume that it would only be a slight adjustment from what he was already prescribed. But I think you will get answers which is what you really want at this time. It will be interesting to see how well your other sons are going to take to the idea of wearing glasses. It actually might be a help that they all are going to be wearing glasses. It could be worse if just one got them. But if only one starts complaining it could lead to all of them rejecting wearing glasses. When you take your boys to get their glasses if you get a chance you might want to ask what you do if they refuse to wear their glasses?

Jamie 12 Apr 2016, 20:26

Cactus Jack

Thank for responding. I will posy timorrow with updates, hope all goes well. What will the doctor tomorrow ideally look for? The dictor we went to last week said Trenton may get a new prescription, do you think that is a possibility?


Thank you, always for being so kind. Maybe that is why the doctor checked their eyes.


Their numbers are quite different, did notvthibj they had about the same vision. Good to know, I guess.

Likelenses 12 Apr 2016, 19:32


It is interesting that the prescriptions of Scott,and Chris are quite different.One has a fair amount of myopia,and low astigmatism,and the other has a fair amount of astigmatism,and low myopia.

But the numbers would indicate that without glasses both would see about the same,even though they are two years apart.Also both are quite strong prescriptions ,for first ones.

Michael 12 Apr 2016, 19:01

Just stay calm as Cactus Jack said and wait to see what the pediatric opthalmologist says. And good luck. And I asked about the pediatrician because from what I recall my pediatrician when I was a child never did a vision screening. I am now 62 years old so that was a long time ago. I got my first glasses when I was 9 years old and didn't pass my vision screening they gave each year at school. So my mother took me to the eye doctor and was prescribed glasses for nearsightedness. I do wonder when your pediatrician looked into your children's eyes with the light and I am sure he did he may have seen things that looked like red flags so that is why he did vision screenings for your children.Just guessing on my part.And remember we are all here for support and will to try to answer your questions as best as we can.

Cactus Jack 12 Apr 2016, 17:16


There is no way for me to know from here, but hopefully, the ECP was just erring on the side of caution. The most obvious clue that a very young child is having vision problems is a tendency for the eyes to cross or turn inward or converge.. This is caused by excessive effort to focus.

It is normal for your eyes to turn inward or converge when you focus close, if they didn't you would see double anytime you tried to read, There is even a connection in everyone's brain between the Focus Control System and the Eye Positioning System. The strength of this connection varies among individuals so not everyone who needs PLUS glasses eyes try to cross, but many people whose eyes try to cross or turn inward also need PLUS glasses.

If, for now, we assume that Trenton has some vision problems. The best chance of managing it or fixing it is now. Many times fixing it typically means either glasses, eye exercises, or eye muscle surgery. Discovering any problems at Trenton's young age means that fixing the problem is likely to be something that will last him for the rest of his life.

Your Pediatric Ophthalmologist has plenty of experience in dealing with vision problems in children. I am certain he/she will offer you guidance on what actions you need to take, if any. I wish you, Trenton and the rest of your children. Please stay in touch. We are interested in the findings and the Ophthalmologists recommendations. We are happy to try to help and offer advice within the scope of our limited knowledge.

I would suggest that you try to keep your cool. Your children are hypersensitive to you and your husbands demeanor. You have to keep your cool around all your children and keep them informed with the truth. Children are tougher and more resilient than we think. It is best to share as much information as possible with them, but it must be in terms that make sense to them. I have the best luck dealing with younger people by treating them with respect and treating them like they are a few years older than they are.

I wish you and Trenton very well tomorrow, and am anxious to hear what the Ophthalmologist says.


Jamie 12 Apr 2016, 15:11

Cactus Jack,

Thank you for the information. Trenton's appointment is with a pediatric Ophthalmologist. Is this appointment going to be different than the one we went to last week? If so, what different things will be done? Do all babies who need glasses have to go to a Pediatric Ophthalmologist, or is Trenton a special case?


This was our first time with this particullar pediatrician, so not sure if he noticed sonething or just always checks.

I am so nervous about Trenton's appointmebt tomorrow, what if the doctor finds sonething wrong with Trenton's eyes.

Cactus Jack 11 Apr 2016, 21:47


I have been very busy today from about 6 am to nearly midnight and tomorrow will not be any better.

Please understand that you and your husband did not make any mistakes. Vision problems are very hard to detect in children, unless you understand how vision works and know the clues to look for. It is very rare for children to complain about their vision because they have no way to compare what the see with with they should be able to see. You DID NOT damage their vision and all glasses will do is pretty much show them what they have been missing. For the most part it will be a very pleasant surprise for them. It is possible that David may not much care for his glasses. That is because he has Hyperopia or what is sometimes called Farsightedness or Long Sightedness. It is the ONLY eye condition that if he has normal Accommodation (close focusing ability) for his age, he can almost effortlessly correct the problem internally, without even being aware that he is doing it. His initial reaction to his glasses is that they make his vision worse. No kidding, we answer more questions about Hyperopia than almost any other topic on Eye Scene. If you don't understand optics, Hyperopia can cause some pretty mysterious symptoms. I would urge you to not push David to wear his glasses full time. They will probably make reading and close focusing more comfortable. It may take a while, but he will come around, probably on his own.

Chris and maybe Scott will probably like their improved vision, but they are old enough to have some "vanity" problems. We often think of only girls has having vanity problems about glasses, but boys can also be very concerned about what their peers think of their glasses. Particularly, if they are the only ones in their grade at school wearing glasses. That, of course, will change with time as more parents discover that their children need glasses to see well.

As one of the other respondents said, almost all babies are born very Hyperopic because their eyes must be necessarily small to fit in their eye sockets. Fortunately most babies also have very capable focus systems to correct the problem. However, it takes about a month for most babies to learn how to use their Auto-Focus System (Accommodation) to learn how to focus their eye and see clearly. Unless Trenton is having symptoms of focusing difficulty such as having difficulty seeing and recognizing close things or perhaps eye crossing problems. It is very likely that he amy not really have a need for glasses. Hopefully, your appointment is with a Pediatric Ophthalmologist. They specialize in vision problems in Children and surprisingly, certain types of vision problems in Adults.

Sorry I don't have time for more. I would like to help you learn about how vision works and what to expect with your children's vision in the future. I believe I can also suggest some simple things you can do to help you experience your children's vision for your self. It is very educational and for the most part demonstrate that it is not as bad as it seems.

May I ask where you live?


Michael 11 Apr 2016, 21:30

One more thing. As somebody else said everybody other than Philip has a higher than average first script. But young children have excellent accommodation so it might not be that surprising that nobody was aware of their vision problems. Neither you or your husband or any of their teachers. Does your pediatrician normally do a vision screening when your boys go for a physical?I wonder if he spotted something that made him do so.

Jamie 11 Apr 2016, 20:04


This was the first for all of them. The doctor did say most of them probably did need glasses for a while. I hope that my mistake in not noticing any difficulties did not cause any further damage to any of the boys' vision. I just feel so bad for not noticing that any of them were struggling. What's more, none of the older one's teachers have never said anything about their vision either.

Likelenses 11 Apr 2016, 19:52


One thing that you can do to help all of them is to monitor their reading distances.

They should never read printed material any closer than 12 inches,and not be closer to a computer screen than 20 inches.

All except Philip should wear glasses for both near,and distance,pretty much full time,and Philip for distance,but he may prefer to wear them for near as well.

Likelenses 11 Apr 2016, 19:40

Jamie I agree with the others that Trenton's script is very high,but it is also interesting that all of the others have scripts higher than the usual first script.

Philip's script is about what one usually sees in first scripts.

Is this the first exam for all of them,or have the older boys been examined every year or so?

Michael 11 Apr 2016, 16:28

I apologize for confusing you more than you were already. And certainly didn't want to worry you more than you already were. The other Mike which was not me is correct that babies are born farsighted but I have no idea for how long. But Trenton's farsightedness is very severe or at least appears to be. There doesn't seem to be anything that unusual with the scripts of your other children other than all of them needing some kind of vision correction. And it is a mixed bag. Either farsightedness, nearsightedness or a combination of nearsightedness and astigmatism. And my guess is Nick will be joining the glasses club too probably sooner rather than later. I think nearsightedness can run in families so if one parent is nearsighted there is a decent chance the children will be nearsighted as well and when both parents are nearsighted the chances are even greater.But I don't think I ever heard of any situation quite like yours.

But Cactus Jack is our resident expert here so I will defer to his expertise. I don't write here very often but have learned so much from him through the years.I am sure he will be able to shed some light on your situation.But I do find all of your children needing vision correction when neither you or your husband do to be most unusual.

Jamie 11 Apr 2016, 15:49

Sorry for all the mistakes in my last post, I was not really paying attention, and did not proof read. Here is the fixed version.

Well, I posted here for some clarity, and now I am more confused and worried than I was when I first posted. I guess I will wait for Cactus Jack to respond becauss he seems to be the expert around here, or just ask the specialisit that I am taking Trenton to. Thank you all for trying to help, though.

Jamie 11 Apr 2016, 15:45

Well, I posted here for dome clariy, and mow Imam mor confused and worried than I was when I first posted. I guess I will wait for Cactus Jack to respond becauss he seems to be the expert around here, or just ask the specialisit that I am taking Trenton to. Thank you all for trying to help though.

Mike 11 Apr 2016, 14:18

Jamie, The mixed results does seem a bit odd, the one that jumps out at me is Trenton. It is normal for babies to be farsighted when born and as their eyes grow they become less farsighted. I am not an expert and have no idea what a normal 14 month old amount of farsightedness would be. My oldest son developed amblyopia (crossed eyes) when he was only a few months old, typically if the hyperopia (farsightedness) is bad enough it will manifest itself with amblyopia. In my boys case he had a big difference in the vision of both eyes and that was the cause for the crossed eyes. I would definitely get a second option on Trenton.

Michael 11 Apr 2016, 12:47

It doesn't appear that bad vision runs in your family. So it is weird that all your kids have eye problems of varying degrees.Honestly I have no idea why.But it is too coincidental to believe it is just chance. It is like rolling a coin five times and it comes up either heads or tails each time.That usually doesn't happen. I think we need Cactus Jack's expert opinion.Maybe he has some ideas how this could have possibly happened.Could there be some bad vision in either your family or your husband's going way back that you don't know about?And I agree it is good that you will be bringing your youngest son for further testing. I don't want to alarm you but that is a very high script for somebody his age. But needing glasses at such a young age may not be as unusual as you might think.It is the script that would concern me.

Jamie 11 Apr 2016, 12:13

My husband and I did not get our eyes checked with the kids, but we get them checked fairly regularly (every 2-3 years).

We do not need glasses, but 2/4 of my brother/sister-inlaws wear glasses. My sisters (there are 2) don't need glasses, but my brother recently got reading glasses (earlier this year). We only have two nephews, and three nieces, and only one niece wears glasses. She got them when she was 12 years old.

Hope this was helpful.

Michael 11 Apr 2016, 10:26

Jamie-Not sure when the experts here will be able to chime in but I saw your post and will chime in with a few thoughts. Am I right that the number next to each name is their age? What strikes me as interesting is your children seem to have different eye problems of various degrees. David is farsighted with no other apparent eye problems.Chris is nearsighted with some astigmatism. Scott is mildly nearsighted with a significant amount of astigmatism. Philip is mildly nearsighted. Trenton would be the one I would be most concerned about.He is severely farsighted at the age of 1.Does poor eyesight run in either your husband's or your family? Do either you or your husband wear glasses and if so for how long? Poor eyesight can definitely be hereditary.And you did nothing wrong.You can be sure of that. Now I will wait to see what the experts here will say.

Soundmanpt 11 Apr 2016, 10:20


Your questions are directed at "Cactus Jack" and I will allow him to answer your questions about your sons eyes. But the only thing I wanted to comment on is that I am sure all this has come as quite a shock to you as there mother. But one thing you have to know is that you or your husband have done anything wrong to cause your sons to need glasses. There is nothing you could have done to prevent them from needing glasses. You didn't say if you and your husband also got your eyes examined only that neither one of you wear glasses. You both probably should get your eyes examined because if either or both of you were to need glasses it would probably be a big encouragement to your boys when they get their glasses because that might be your biggest problem is getting them to wear their glasses. Usually it is helpful if one or both of the parents wear glasses as well. Maybe when you go to get the boys glasses you could ask about getting glasses for yourself? But I again want you to understand that you did nothing wrong.

Jamie 11 Apr 2016, 09:55

Cactus Jack

Not quite sure what their prescriptions mean, but I have them. I will just right them row by row.





-2.00, -.75, 115

-2.00, -.50, 040


-1.00, -1.50, 070

-0.50, -2.50, 130




Nick-2 For Nick the doctor said he could benefit grom glasses because he has a little problem seeing faraway, but it dies nit cause any disturbances for him, so he said to bring him back with his brothers in six months, and then he might get glasses.




I may not know much about glasses, but thises numbers seem so big, and he is just a baby. Baby's don't need glasses, why does mine? Why do all of mine?

I know not all of them will really have glasses next Friday, but Nick might as well have them, he is having a little trouble, and now or in six months, what's the difference. How could all of them need glasses, what is wrong with their eyes? Did I do something wrong, is this my fault? This just makes me so sad, all my boys need glasses. Sorry, it's just I did not expect this, and I just, I do not know, I guess I am in a shock still. It just so sudden. What's more, the doctor suggested a specialist for me to take Trenton to, to get a better diagnosis, that appointment is in two days.

Soundmanpt 11 Apr 2016, 09:35


Glad to hear that you got your glasses. Being that these are your glasses it's very understandable that your testing your eyes by wearing them and then taking them off to compare the difference. Your glasses aren't very strong but they don't have to be to make a difference in how well you see things which you seem to already be finding out. So you at least know that wearing glasses do benefit you in your ability to see clearer. I'm a bit surprised that your ECP (eye care professional) advised you not to wear your glasses when your reading or on the computer. Of course you should do what was advised. But in answer to your question since astigmatisms effect your vision at all distances it is more common to be told to wear them. For example there are people that when tested the can see the 20/20 so they aren't nearsighted at all but the letters may still look fuzzy and distorted to them and that is caused by astigmatisms. So in a way what the glasses are doing then is fine tuning the eyes. If you ever get headaches you might want to put your glasses on no matter what your doing because chances are they will make the headache go away rather quickly. Astigmatisms often times can be the cause of headaches. You tested your glasses by wearing them to drive to work and then after work on your way to the mall. So not sure how long either drive was but even though it was a bright sunny day when your vision is at it's best you still noticed a bit of improvement with your glasses on and that is really without your eyes having too much of a chance to adjust to the prescription i your glasses. So you at least know you are able to see better even on a bright suny day with your glasses then you see without them. Now i'm sure that your able to see well enough without your glasses to be considered safe to drive. But not at all surprising that on your drive home, I assume from the mall, when the sun was setting that you found that your glasses made a considerable difference in your vision. And remember this was only your first day of driving with your glasses on. As your eyes get more adjusted to your glasses I think your going to notice it even more. Since your job involves you doing a good bit of driving at night I really suggest that you plan on wearing your glasses from now on when your driving at night. And since your abel to see better with them even on sunny days you probably should even wear them during the day as well. I would suggest that you go on line and order yourself a pair of prescription sunglasses which you can buy for under $20.00 from several sites. Look at "" or "eyebuydirect,com" they both offer many styles and the quality is very good. Also a side bonus would be that since you clearly aren't thrilled about wearing and even worse being seen by friends and family wearing glasses if you had prescription sunglasses you could maybe hide the fact that you need glasses a bit longer. But I really do think you should tell your parents that you got glasses. Honestly it isn't nearly as big of a deal as you think. Your parents would simply tell you how nice they look on you and that would be it. Of course there is no glasses police so your in luck there but even though your still legal to drive without glasses I don't think it is ever good not to be seeing as good as possible when your driving. Just being able to see something in the road a few seconds sooner could be all the difference in hitting it or stopping and your glasses could be the difference. Remember a car travels several hundred feet in just a couple seconds. You commented that you might or might not wear them to concerts and sporting events. That's totally up to you because the only person getting hurt would be you. Why would you even consider buying a ticket which could cost $15.00 to maybe $100.00 or more and then not be able to see clearly what is going on while you have your glasses in your bag? Sorry if that all sounded like a lecture. By the way if we don't comment again before next week Happy birthday!

Cactus Jack 11 Apr 2016, 01:09


It would be helpful to know the ages of your children and their complete prescriptions. Also, where you live (country(


Jamie 10 Apr 2016, 23:00

Hi, my name is Jamie, I am a mother, and my sons just got their eyes examined after two of them failed the vision part of their normal check ups with their pediatrician. Due to the reasons I expected them to get glasses, but as it turned out all them need glasses, even the baby (he is 14 months old). I was sort of in shock, and forgot to ask all my questions, so was wondering if anyone could help me? Their glasses should be ready by next friday, so I want to be prepared. My husband and I do not wear glasses, so this is all new to us.

Likelenses 10 Apr 2016, 22:47


Your right eye has enough astigmatism that without glasses it is being strained for any distance.

Your left has enough myopia that even with the small amount of astigmatism you are not seeing properly without glasses.

The axis of each eye is quite different,and that too causes strain on both eyes.

Many people would wear that prescription all the time.

Are you finding the glasses hard to get used to?

Anne 10 Apr 2016, 22:34

Yes, I’ve seen that on a lot of websites about astigmatism affecting vision at all distances, but that doesn’t seem to be the case for me. And my doctor told me I shouldn’t wear them for reading or computer. Do other people with similar prescriptions wear glasses for these purposes?

I am eager to test out my glasses some more, but it probably won't happen this week with my parents visiting. I'm also off from work, and most likely will not be doing any driving until next week.

Likelenses 08 Apr 2016, 21:33


You do have a prescription that includes a correction for astigmatism.

Astigmatism affect vision at all distances.

I would suggest that you wear the glasses all the time for a week or two to fully get used to them. That would include when reading,or on a computer.

Anne 08 Apr 2016, 21:16

So I got my glasses yesterday and they definitely make a difference. Everything looks super sharp and bright, like HD. Colors are so vivid, that’s probably the biggest thing I’ve noticed. Also being able to see little details and textures from a distance. I don’t ever remember seeing like this, and I had very good vision growing up (easily read the 20/20 line every year at school screenings).

I haven’t done much driving in the dark in the past few weeks, now that the days are longer and the weather has been uncharacteristically sunny here. I wore my glasses for part of my drive to work this morning, and then from work to the mall. It was really bright outside both times, and I still could see a difference (the scenery/trees looked amazing) but when I took the glasses off I still felt like I could see really well. But on my drive home, the sun was just starting to go down and the glasses made a huge improvement in my vision. Taking them off, things were noticeably blurry and I could feel my eyes straining to focus for a few seconds. Especially my left eye, which is my dominant eye but has slightly worse vision.

I think I will wear them for driving at least when it’s dark or rainy. And maybe at the movies or the rare occasions I go to a concert or sporting event. The vast majority of my time (at work and home) is spent on the computer, and they don’t make any difference for that (close up vision is perfectly clear with and without glasses). I’m definitely not ready to wear them in front of people I know (no one even knows I got them), which isn’t too hard since I live alone, across the country from most of my family and friends. My parents will be visiting next week for my 28th birthday, but I don’t think I will tell them about the glasses.

Likelenses 08 Apr 2016, 20:33

When I was in junior high school,and before I got glasses,a classmate got his first glasses.

What fascinated me was that he said the doctor had in addition to giving him his first glasses,prescribed eye drops to help him get used to the new glasses.

I remember that his lenses were minus,and looked somewhat stronger than other classmates that wore glasses.

As I recall he used the drops for a few weeks.

At that time I knew nothing about vision,or vision correction,but in thinking back,I suspect that his first prescription was quite strong,and he wore the glasses full time The doctor most likely prescribed drops to help him get used to his strong first glasses.

Has anyone had drops prescribed to help get used to new glasses?

NJ 08 Apr 2016, 13:02

I remember the first time I had my eyes dilated, in the first grade after I intentionally failed an eye exam at school because I wanted glasses but didn't think I needed them. Everything was really blurry! Turns out that I was rather hyperopic, to the tune of +4-5D or so. I don't really remember exactly, but I do remember the doc telling my parents I needed glasses and I was thrilled! I also remember those horrible sunglasses they gave me and how bright the light was outside.

Funny, but for all I wanted glasses then I didn't always wear them. I was self conscious and by the time I made it to middle school, I only wore them for reading. By college I needed then full time but was happy to have them.

I know that several docs I saw over the years said they never prescribe the full plus power that a cycloplegic exam produces. I know that in college I upped the plus on my glasses, after asking the doc what the numbers were with dilation, and though I could focus ok I found them uncomfortable to wear all the time.

Cactus Jack 08 Apr 2016, 11:00


Dilation can affect both distance and near, but at 60 with low Myopia it won't make much difference (BTW I'm 78). Dilation does 2 things. It causes your pupils to open wide and it paralyzes your Ciliary Muscles and you can't focus close. With your pupils open wide, you have no ability to control the amount of light reaching your Retina so everything will be VERY bright and perhaps a little fuzzy. With your Ciliary Muscles paralyzed, you won't be able to use what little accommodation you have left.

Typically, dilation is optional for people with Myopia because the improvement in accuracy is very small. With Hyperopia (corrected with + glasses, it can help in younger people with very active Accommodation. Hyperopia is the ONLY eye condition that a person can correct using their Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses. There are a couple of techniques that ECPs use to minimize the errors caused by active Accommodation, but they don't always work. Dilation does work by paralyzing the Ciliary Muscles and the ECP can get a more accurate measurement of their prescription.

Hopefully, she will be able to provide you with some dense, disposable sunglasses to help when you go outside in bright sunshine. Fortunately, the drops that they use to dilate your eyes will wear off in 6 to 8 hours.

Curiously, the drops they have to use to dilate your eyes varies with the color of your eyes. Blue or Green eyes are easy to dilate and the drops wear off more quickly than the much stronger drops they need to dilate Brown eyes.

If you have to drive yourself to the exam, as I do, I suggest trying to schedule the exam at a time so you won't have to drive home looking into the sun. I live to the west of my eye doctors office. If the exam with dilation is in the late afternoon, I have to drive home facing that. The dense sunglasses help, but it is still pretty rough,

I hope this explanation has been of help.


Bill 08 Apr 2016, 08:17

C Jack: Thanks. No special medical history. Last time she said it was just to get a better look inside. Looking at posts here many have said that dilated exam is more accurate. If I read you correctly, that might not make a difference in my case. I am 60 with I guess a weak prescription. Does dilation have an effect on the distance test, close test, both, or neither?

Cactus Jack 08 Apr 2016, 07:59


You didn't mention your age or medical history which could be the reason for dilating your eyes. The eyes are a window into the body and a dilated exam allows a better look at the Retina. Many "silent killers" such as High Blood Pressure and /Diabetes, are first detected by small changes in the tiny blood vessels that supply oxygen and nutrients to the Retina.

Typically, Dilation is done after refraction, because it will paralyze your Ciliary Muscles and prevent accommodation for near vision. However, it is sometimes done before refraction if the examiner wants your Ciliary Muscles as relaxed as possible, usually where Hyperopia is involved or Latent Hyperopia is known or suspected. It can also help reveal Pseudo Myopia.

If you are over 50, chances are your ECP just wants a good look at your Retinas.

I have know that I was prone to develop and have had Type 2 Diabetes for about 50 years. I get a dilated exam about every 6 to 12 months. The last one was on Monday. I was delighted to hear that my Retinas exhibited no damage from the Diabetes so I apparently have been doing a pretty good job of managing it. Once you learn how, is very easy to manage using the tools we have today.

Your ECP is doing you a favor by wanting to have a look. The key to effective management is early detection. Never avoid medical screenings or tests for fear that something will be discovered. You are vastly better off knowing that you have early signs of a problem than waiting until it is harder to manage and it affects your life.


Bill 08 Apr 2016, 07:33

I am scheduled for an exam this afternoon. Three years ago, at my last exam, the dr, AFTER the exam, suggested dilating my eyes so she could get a better look inside. Should I have them dilated again? If yes, before or after the refracting? Does dilating have an effect on the refracting? I old prescription is about -1.00 with a +1.75 add. Is dilating just to allow a better look into the eye or does it have an effect on the accuracy of the distance vision and/or close vision?

Soundmanpt 04 Apr 2016, 06:54


I did miss seeing that. I assume the drops were to dilate her eyes but I am surprised that Jojo never said anything about her needing to wear dark glasses when they went home after her exam.

Jojo 03 Apr 2016, 23:34

Thanks for posts.

Now she is wearing every second when she is alone and with me. Im really suprised that she is wearing like this.Even When going to the bath , she is wearing her glasses and when come out she has them in the eyes. Amazing.

I asked from her about this. She is saying even for the 2 days she is feeling like she is blind. She cried saying this to me

Likelenses 03 Apr 2016, 20:48


In JOJO'S Apr 2016, 03:25 post he does say that the doctor did put drops in her eyes,so it most likely was a wet refraction.

Anne 03 Apr 2016, 17:17

I am planning on getting glasses in the next week or so. I did definitely see a difference in clarity when the eye doctor had the lenses in front of my eyes, so I'm curious to see what kind of difference glasses will make. I'll post an update after I get them.

Soundmanpt 03 Apr 2016, 09:49


I am assuming that they didn't dilate your girlfriend's eyes when they examined her? In most cases a patient is only getting a very weak first prescription if any at all so dilating isn't as necessary. But in your girlfriend's case it would have helped because the dilation would have relaxed her eyes much more and provided a bit more of an accurate prescription for her. Even though i'm sure she is seeing much better than she was without glasses she is almost certainly under corrected. Not surprised at all that they want her to come back in 4 months. By then she is likely going to start to notice that her glasses don't seem to be giving her as good of vision as they did when she first got them. If you pay close attention to her you may even start to notice her starting to squint when she is looking at something in the distance with her glasses on after about 3 months or so. If she likes her frames she should just have new lenses made for her glasses.

Her reaction to wearing glasses is pretty normal. The comparing how well she cane see with and without her glasses is to be expected. I'm sure she has to be shocked at how well she can see with glasses now, but even so she is going to want to test her vision without glasses. Also trying to get used to keeping her glasses on all the time takes some getting used to. Shes not used to seeing the world through lenses and how her glasses sit on her nose as well as behind her ears. So she is probably taking her glasses off quite a bit as a result. But the more she wears her glasses the more comfortable they will start to feel and she will soon hardly even notice that she is wearing them. Not surprising that she is still shy about wearing in front of people which explains why she didn't wear her glasses around your parents even though she clearly was missing them.

Jojo 02 Apr 2016, 19:46


I think soundmanpt is correct mentioning that doctor didn't give full prescription. When she finaly looking through that big machine with lenses, she couldnt read the last line. Even the second was difficult for her. But doctor read that prescription for her as final. And also i forgot to mention that, doctor told us to come back after 4 months.

She selected frameless glasses as she didn't like to show it to others. I told her that thickness can be seen in those frames.But her first choice was to not to show it to others by selecting an almost unseen frames. However, she was cute in her glasses. Her distortion in her two side of the face was noticable.

For the first few hours she was amazed by wearing and removing glasses and comparing . I can see happy in her face. She missd some steps wearing those glasses in the house. She was trying to remove glasses when she was with me. But the next second she is realizing that she can't see. How ever when my parents were around she didnt wear her glases today and i can see how she is strugling without them.i was amazed that when i see her wearing glasses as soon as she woke up and open the windows, the first thing she did was wearing glases. And also after , she did daily exersice routine with them today morning. I will buy her some glasses so she can wear them when she needs.

Thank you

DS 02 Apr 2016, 19:20

Maxim is correct.

Accommodation, aka "eye strain," doesn't come into play with myopia. It's just blurry.

The doctor also probably did try to give the full prescription, taking care to not overcorrect. Younger patients who can still accommodate love their minus. That's an overcorrection for myopes and undercorrection for hyperopes.

Maxim 02 Apr 2016, 12:26


Your girlfriend has needed glasses for some time and only because she must have pretty good accommodation has she managed this long. But she has been straining her eyes and working them very hard in order to get by.


This leaves a little question mark to me, as the young lady seems to be myopic (=nearsighted). For myopia, there is no such cure as 'accomodation', there is just the blur, some squinting (but unsufficient for this prescription).

Accomodation in general language meaning (like "to cope with the problem") - yes. 'Accomodation' as for hyperopia: I don't agree.

Sincerely, M.

Soundmanpt 02 Apr 2016, 10:56


Your girlfriend has needed needed glasses for some time and only because she must have pretty good accommodation has she managed this long. But she has been straining her eyes and working them very hard in order to get by. I'm positive by seeing her prescription that she didn't even get what her full prescription should be. Doctors don't like going too strong with first glasses because it can be hard for her eyes to accept so much at one time. But for her right now her glasses are going to feel perfect for her eyes and she will be able to see just fine with them. A normal first prescription is usually somewhere around -.50 up to maybe -1.00 and as you can see she needs stronger glasses than that. In fact if when you take her prescription of R -2.0 -1.00 88 / L -1.75 -1.00 124 and you put together her distance part of her prescription with her astigmatism she is really more like R -2.50 / L -2.25. At first she is going to find that her glasses are a big help to her but she is still likey going to try and get by without them and even though when she takes her glasses off everything is going to be very blurry for her but after a few minutes without her glases her eyes will go back to how she was seeing before she got her glasses. That is perfectly normal, but the more she wears her glasses and the longer she has them on the longer it is going to take for her old eyesight to return until everything will just remain a blur without her glasses. N ow she may enjoy how well she is able to see with her glasses so much that she won't even bother trying to go without them. But if she does it won't be long until she will find that she can't really function very well without her glasses anymore. I would expect tthat in about 6 - 9 months she will be needing an increase in her glasses because they will already be feeling too weak for her eyes. Wearing glasses is going to be very new to her and she is sure to be nervous and maybe even a bit scared wearing them in public. You need to tell her how nice she looks wearing glasses to help boost her self confidence. That will be very important to her.

Jojo 02 Apr 2016, 10:07

Hi ,

Thanks for the post maxim. I havent check my eyes yet. ☺

Josh- yes. This is her first


Maxim 02 Apr 2016, 08:51

1st: sorry for double entry - it took eternities (no, but it took minutes, and then were two entries ..)

2nd: When she will w e a r them ...., NOT: When she will were them.

Maxim 02 Apr 2016, 08:23

There are two sides of the medal, as always, with your girlfriend's prescription.

Compared with many, many people, who need glasses, this is a very light prescription (between two and three diopters only - look, which necessities others have with their vision).

On the other hand, this is very substantial for her. When she will were them, she will notice, that without glasses she has only approx. an estimated quarter (!) of the quality of the vision accuracy she can reach with glasses. I feel, we're living in 2016, and a good vission counts very much.

So my advice: buy some very nice frames for her, tell her, how beautiful she looks, and encourage her to wear these glasses permanently.

By the way: did YOU have your eyes checked? Also, when you have only a minor prescription, start wearing glasses together with her, an act of solidarity, and you both will feel fine and happy!

Best wishes for both of you, sincerely, M.

Maxim 02 Apr 2016, 08:23

There are two sides of the medal, as always, with your girlfriend's prescription.

Compared with many, many people, who need glasses, this is a very light prescription (between two and three diopters only - look, which necessities others have with their vision).

On the other hand, this is very substantial for her. When she will were them, she will notice, that without glasses she has only approx. an estimated quarter (!) of the quality of the vision accuracy she can reach with glasses. I feel, we're living in 2016, and a good vission counts very much.

So my advice: buy some very nice frames for her, tell her, how beautiful she looks, and encourage her to wear these glasses permanently.

By the way: did YOU have your eyes checked? Also, when you have only a minor prescription, start wearing glasses together with her, an act of solidarity, and you both will feel fine and happy!

Best wishes for both of you, sincerely, M.

Josh 02 Apr 2016, 05:22

first glasses for her Jojo?

Jojo 02 Apr 2016, 03:25


Today i took my gf for the eye doctor.

Before they give us the doctors consultation number ,nurse checked her eyes with a some kind of chart which was on the wall to note something in the card. How ever she couldnt read the 4 th line from any of the eyes . 3 rd one she guess and told. Nurse wrote 2/6 R and 3/6 L. She asked whether she has glasess. We said n0 .

Then after 30 mnts we entered to the doctrs' room and he did lot of tests after few eye drops.

At the end he gave the prescripion as R -2.00 -1.00 88 and L -1.75 -1.00 124

He didnt say anythng to wear all the time or something.

Her glasses was considerbly thick and can see some rings.

Please advice me about her eye sight and regarding her requirment of glases.

Thank you.

 01 Apr 2016, 11:50

Get stuffed, Noname.

 01 Apr 2016, 11:25

Better get lasik, Ann. Glasses are terribly unatractive.

Soundmanpt 01 Apr 2016, 07:56


It is easy to understand your questioning if you really need glasses or not because i'm sure you feel like your eyesight is fine. The thing is when eyesight starts to change it is usually a very gradual process so from day to day you don't realize any decline in your ability to see things. But during your eye exam you probably did notice a difference when the optometrist put different lenses in front of your eyes and suddenly the letter were much clearer than it was. Your eye don't need a lot of help but they would benefit more than you think with the assistance of glasses, some things more than others. Even though you passed the drivers vision test a few months ago so you weren't required to wear glasses for driving i'm very sure if you get glasses the first thing you would find is that driving at night would be considerably better with glasses and it wouldn't hurt to wear them driving during the day since your job involves driving. Glasses will relax your eyes more and with less strain you wouldn't feel as tired at the end of the day.

Like Cactus Jack said if the thought of maybe paying several hundred dollars for a pair of glasses and then maybe not wear them concerns you then you should consider getting a pair on line. The glasses online, at least at the 2 places i am going to recommend, is every bit as good of quality and looks as the ones you would be buying at the optical store. Check out or they are both good places to get your glasses from that I have used many times for people. Both places have complete pairs for as little as $6.95 but nearly 800 fr under $15.00. Just be sure to add on the optional AR coating (anti-reflective) which costs about $5.00 more. This would be very helpful since you drive so much with driving at night. Because your 27 I wouldn't expect that your eyes will be changing very much over the coming years. Let us know what you decide to do or if you need any help with placing an on line order for glasses. I can help you figure out the proper size frame that will work for you.

Cactus Jack 01 Apr 2016, 03:59


Yes, you should get glasses, particularly for driving at night. They will make a big difference in low light conditions.

In practical terms,

OD: -0.25 -0.50 x 90

OS: -0.75 -0.25 x 55

Can be translated like this

OD (Right Eye) Sphere -0.25 very slightly nearsighted. everything beyond 4 meters or 13 feet is fuzzy. Cylinder -0.50 Astigmatism correction which messes up your ability to easily read small text at all distances. Axis 90 degrees The direction (Vertical) of the long axis of your Cylinder (Cylinder and Axis ALWAYS go together).

OS (Lest Eye) Sphere -0.75 more nearsighted. everything beyond 1.3 meters or 4 feet is fuzzy. Cylinder -0.25 Astigmatism correction is a bit less, but it still messes up small text. Axis 55 degrees The direction of the long axis of your Cylinder correction.

Axis angle specification, by tradition are measured starting with Horizontal = 0 degrees. The numbers increase in a counter clockwise direction, looking at the patent. to 90 degrees (vertical) and on around to 179 or 180 degrees. Axis angles are never specified greater than 180 degrees.

Vision actually occurs in the Brain/ If there is a difference in the clarity of the images from each eye, your Brain will select the clearest image and use that as the primary image and supplement that with visual information from the less clear eye. It does this without your even being aware that it is doing ti.

Hope this helps.

If you are concerned about the cost of glasses, we can help you order some low cost, high quality glasses on line. However, I personally prefer that you get your first pair of glasses from a local Optical store so they can adjust them for you. Depending on the frame you choose and where you live, You might be able to order some glasses for as little as US$17 with an Anti-Reflective Coating and shipping. Once you get used to wearing the first pair of glasses and think you would like to have a different frame style is the time to consider ordering on line.


Anne 31 Mar 2016, 23:19


I just had my first ever eye exam at 27 years old. I've been doing more nighttime driving recently and have had some difficulty seeing far away signs, etc. (although I passed the vision screening for my license renewal a few months ago). I just got vision insurance through my new job so I figured I might as well get checked out. It turns out I have 20/30 vision and I got the following prescription, which I was told is for distance:

OD: -0.25 -0.50 x 90

OS: -0.75 -0.25 x 55

Does it sound like it would be worth getting glasses with this prescription? Could my vision get worse? Nobody in my immediate family has needed glasses (except my parents use drugstore reading glasses) so I’m new to all of this.


Likelenses 31 Mar 2016, 21:17


Sounds pretty nearsighted,and most likely needs full time glasses.

Weirdeyes 31 Mar 2016, 20:39


I can't guess her prescription based on that information. It sounds like she has nearsightedness or astigmatism.

Jojo 31 Mar 2016, 20:31


This is regarding my girl friends eye sight.

For the last few days i am noticing lot of difficulties of her vision. I will provide some things and please guess her prescription if you can. Tommrow i did a booking for eye doctor though she refused.

1.From 3 meters she cannot recognize the TV actors in 32inch tv.

2. She cannot recognize people's faces 10m away.

3. She canot see big kfc menu (even pictrures) in 3 meter distance.

4. When writing she has a distance of 2 inches from nose to book.

5.4 inch size letters with small 2 lighs in 2 sides of the words in the hotel r00m door at night couldnt see from 1.5 m distance. She is saying there is no such thing in the door.

6. Having headaches when studied.

7. She wants to sit in first raw when goes to the lectures.

8.when im driving ,she cannot see the number of front vehicle.

9. At night she doesnt like to move without my hand for asistant.

9. I havent seen her squinting.

Her age is 24 and there is n0 glasses curently . 4 years ago she got driving licence.

Please guess the prescription. Thank you

Likelenses 31 Mar 2016, 16:52


I have a set of old medical books on ophthalmology from 1960,and they state than women as a group are more nearsighted than men.

But I agree your vast assortment of glasses must have skewed the current numbers LOL !

Melyssa 31 Mar 2016, 05:00


Thank you for the links. So if my second-favorite game show of all time (Match Game being first) were to make a comeback and have that question again, the answer would be 3/4. Naturally, I would buzz in first and get three spins for the correct answer. :)

I am a bit surprised that more women than men need vision correction. Maybe they were including my near-50 pairs of glasses. Granted, when I was in college, it did seem as though half of the young women then wore glasses either full time or part time -- and there were no items with very small print to look at in the 1980s. And the "smart" phones are probably why the number of farsighted people is double that of nearsighted people, because it certainly wasn't that way in the olden days.

Likelenses 30 Mar 2016, 18:28


Well DA! Why didn't I just do a search?

Results are slightly varied,but never the less very encouraging for we oo's

Likelenses 30 Mar 2016, 18:13


I agree with you,and if I had to guess,I would say it is now close to eighty percent.

I base that on the ageing baby boomers in either reading glasses,or bifocals/trifocals.Also the younger generation with more cases of myopia,especially higher levels,and some needing readers to deal with the new technology.

Of course that percentage would also include the contact lense wearers.

Melyssa 30 Mar 2016, 04:56

On a "Press Your Luck" episode from 1985, one of the questions was basically, "What fraction of Americans wear prescription glasses?" The vast majority of "fraction" questions on that game show would have possible answers of 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4. All three contestants guessed 1/2, and they were right. Somehow I get the feeling that 30+ years later, the answer may be different.

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 19:45

Did a crude test with my backlit kitchen clock with my lenses.


Astigmatic eye is still pretty sharp. Only slightly fuzzy if it can even be called that.

In the Nearsighted eye however, edges of the number begin to blend together into a barely separate mass of figures.

Conclusion: Pretty sure I got more nearsighted by maybe a quarter diopter. Hooray for human resourcefulness (and crappy vision genetics)

Cactus Jack 29 Mar 2016, 19:09


Hope that is helpful. We should chat some more, but have to go now,


Cactus Jack 29 Mar 2016, 19:04


An eye exam is not like an exam that you might take in school and there is really no way to study for it. However, you can prepare for it and learn about your role in the exam. The best eye exams are a team effort between you and the Examiner. Part of the preparation is to learn what to expect, particularly if this is your first eye exam.

One important thing you need to keep in mind is that the Examiner has no way to experience what you are seeing. He/she has to depend on your answers to questions.

There are two parts to an eye exam. The first part is the Objective part. This part consists of:

1. Taking a Visual History where you describe your vision and the kinds of problems you are having.

2. Checking the internal pressure in your eyes for symptoms of Glaucoma. This is one of the very few parts of an eye exam that is even mildly uncomfortable and the discomfort only lasts for a few seconds. There are two basic ways to do the pressure test.

A. Using a special instrument to lightly touch your Cornea. Not to worry here. Before doing this type of test a drop of mild anesthetic will make sure you don’t even feel it.

B. There is a new type instrument that uses a puff of air directed against your cornea. No anesthetic is required, but the puff will startle you. The puff of air is harmless and there are huge benefits of detecting Glaucoma early before it can do damage.

3. Obtaining a preliminary estimate of your refractive error using an Auto-Refractor, or manually by using a small hand held instrument called an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope.

The Auto-Refractor is a relatively new instrument that was developed in conjunction with NASA to check Astronauts vision in space. You look into the machine with each eye individually at a scene or a pattern and the machine will adjust its internal lenses to focus the image you see on your retina. The Auto-Refractor only takes a few seconds for each eye and it then prints out your estimated prescription.

Some Examiners prefer to use manual methods that have been used for many years. Using an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope and a Trial Lens set or a Phoropter (a fancy machine with a built in lens set), the Examiner will look into your eyes and select the lenses that allow him to see your retina, most clearly.

The object of this part of the exam is to get a starting place for the Subjective part of the exam where you have to describe what you see.

Typically the Subjective part of the exam starts with the Right Eye shutter open and the Left Eye shutter closed.

Step 1 is typically determining the cylinder and axis of any Astigmatism correction you need. This is actually the hardest part of the exam because you will be asked to judge relative blurriness of two images rather than the sharpness of an image.

You will be shown a line of text and a supplemental lens will be rotated into place. This lens is a cylinder lens that is mounted on a 45 degree pivot and can be flopped back an forth to bracket a trial axis or orientation of the long axis of the cylinder lens. The thing that is confusing about this test is that the straight lines (strokes) of the letters will alternate in clarity as the lens is flipped back and forth depending on their direction. I suggest concentrating on an “O” if possible. Depending on your answers, the examiner will adjust the axis knob unit the image you see is equally blurry with the supplemental lens 45 degrees each side of the selected axis.

At this point the Examiner will probably swing the supplemental lens out of the way and may change the cylinder power while asking you which lens in clearer.

You may be uncomfortable, for your first exam, asking the Examiner to let you fine tune the axis, but I have found that most will appreciate your wanting to actively participate. The way that works is that he will place your hand on the Axis control knob and you move it back and forth a few degrees of the sharpest image, this time.

The next step is determining the Sphere correction. This is an easy part of the exam because all you have to do is pick the sharpest image, but there is a tricky part. Your auto-focus mechanism will try to help, if it gets a chance. The Examiner has a couple of ways to minimize the action of your ciliary muscles and crystalline lenses.

The Examiner can in effect sneak up on your Sphere prescription or he can use drops to Dilate your eyes. Lets talk about sneaking up on your prescription first. There are actually 4 lenses in your eye’s lens system. All of them are PLUS lenses and the total power is about +56 diopters. The only variable focus lens is the crystalline lens whose PLUS power is controlled by your ciliary muscles. For distance, your Crystalline lens is fully relaxed and has somewhere around +15 diopters. When you focus to read, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze the Crystalline lens to increase its PLUS power by the amount necessary to focus which depends on the distance to the object.

This will take a little thought to get your mind around, but if you are nearsighted, your lens system has too much PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your retina and you need MINUS lenses to neutralize some of that excess PLUS power. You ONLY have the ability to increase the PLUS power of your lens system. You have NO ability to reduce the PLUS power of your Crystalline lenses more that fully relaxed.

To try to keep your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses from getting in the act, the examiner will start with NOT ENOUGH MINUS or TOO MUCH PLUS (same thing) and gradually increase the MINUS one or two steps at a time, while reducing the size of the line you are asked to read. He will not tell you what power lens or what line you are looking at. Eventually, he will reach the 20/20 line and a lens power that lets you read it with no mistakes.

He will then follow the same procedure with your Left Eye.

When he has completed both eyes, he will open the shutters and you may see two images. This part of the test is to check your muscle balance using some prisms. He will probably ask you to tell him when the two images are aligned horizontally and then vertically. While the images are separated, you have an important check to make. Compare the sharpness of the two images. If they are not equally sharp, be sure and tell the Examiner which image is clearer. If there is a difference, he will likely reduce the sharpness of the clearest image until they match. The important thing at this point is that they match. That lack of sharpness will be corrected in the next phase with both eyes working together.

Next he will fuse the images so both eyes are working together and repeat the Sphere procedure by gradually increasing the MINUS or decreasing the PLUS until you see the smallest line of letters very clearly.

That pretty much completes the exam except for checking your near vision with a small chart about 14 to 16 inches from you.

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 19:00


Either is fine - No preference. Considering a it's helpful the format will not matter.

Cactus Jack 29 Mar 2016, 18:53


Had to look for "How to Study for an Eye Exam and found it. It seems like I posted it recently, but I can try it here. It is right on the border line of a maximum sized post. Or I can post it on Vision and Spex or

What would you like me to do?


Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 18:45

You hastily wrote the study tips for an eye exam, an I do not believe that was included. Care to elaborate?

Cactus Jack 29 Mar 2016, 18:43


Got up again. Try to be patient and not to twitch and only click on Submit, once.

Thanks for refreshing my memory. At 78, most of my faculties are in pretty good shape. I occasionally have senior moments, but I attribute that to having a lot of memories and sometimes it takes a while to look something up. However, I see so many prescriptions that sometimes I have trouble putting a prescription to a Nickname.

I believe you have had those glasses for about 9 months, is that right? I also seem to remember that you ordered the glasses from Pearle Optical and it took a rather long time to get them.

With all the close work you do, it would not surprise me that you might need an increase in Sphere and it is very likely that your Astigmatism has changed some. Astigmatism is funny, it actually changes very slowly, but that part of the exam is very subjective, particularly, the Axis. Did I suggest the procedure for fine tuning the Axis before your last exam?


Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 18:23

And I did it again....

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 18:22

Well of course, I'll list it below.


OD: -0.25


Blank Axis and Prism

ADD: (not sure if this is a 1 or not. There is a vertical slash through both boxes)


CYL: -0.75

AXIS: 118

Blank Prism

A rather weak prescription but it helps me see the board at school. Astigmatism basically just kills the clarity in my field of vision. Optometrist says that could possibly go away, how that's possible I can't tell. Wouldn't be surprised if I get more nearsighted though.

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 18:22

Well of course, I'll list it below.


OD: -0.25


Blank Axis and Prism

ADD: (not sure if this is a 1 or not. There is a vertical slash through both boxes)


CYL: -0.75

AXIS: 118

Blank Prism

A rather weak prescription but it helps me see the board at school. Astigmatism basically just kills the clarity in my field of vision. Optometrist says that could possibly go away, how that's possible I can't tell. Wouldn't be surprised if I get more nearsighted though.

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 18:22

Well of course, I'll list it below.


OD: -0.25


Blank Axis and Prism

ADD: (not sure if this is a 1 or not. There is a vertical slash through both boxes)


CYL: -0.75

AXIS: 118

Blank Prism

A rather weak prescription but it helps me see the board at school. Astigmatism basically just kills the clarity in my field of vision. Optometrist says that could possibly go away, how that's possible I can't tell. Wouldn't be surprised if I get more nearsighted though.

Cactus Jack 29 Mar 2016, 17:59

Hi Iristotle,

Good to hear from you. Having some problems with so I can't go back and refresh my memory about what prescription you wound up with. Could you refresh my memory for me. I will probably be able to get the Hotmail account fixed, but I am having trouble getting it to recognize my password.


Don't worry about the multiple posts, it happens to all of us when the server is slow.

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:45

Oh shit.

Sorry about those mass duplicates. I assumed it didn't go through. I guess a slow server today.

Note to self: Wait for post to go through instead of spamming button and other users with posts.

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:43

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:43

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:43

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:43

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:43

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:43

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:43

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:43

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:43

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:42

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Iristotle 29 Mar 2016, 17:42

Long time no see! (No pun intended given my past posts.)

Quick question:

How do I know when it's time for an upgrade, or when I need to get re-examined for glasses?

[Probably doesn't matter but I got glasses in June after blowing it off for 4 years because I was ignorant]

Soundmanpt 18 Mar 2016, 15:35


Great that you did get a copy of your prescription. You already looked up what the numbers mean in your prescription which was very smart of you. So i'm sure you have noticed that if hold you hand over your left eye and use only your right eye to see something it is likely a little bit blurry. And if you hold your hand over your right eyes and use just your left eye you can see everything fine. Your prescription is really pretty weak but still i'm sure you notice a difference wearing them. But maybe not as much as if you had a prescription for both eyes since now when you look at something you really are mostly only using your left eye to see with. Now it will take some getting used to being able to use both eyes. You don't really need to wear your glasses full time if you don't want to but if you ant to wear them full time that is perfectly okay to do as well.

Carrie 18 Mar 2016, 10:10

Zoe - How has was your first day with glasses? Did you wear them all day or just for distances? Everything should look clearer, although some people take a day or 2 to get used to a prescription for astigmatism. Remember it's entirely up to you how much you wear your glasses. If you don't want to wear them full time then just put them on if you need to see something clearer or if you are feeling a headache/eyeache coming on.

Zoe 17 Mar 2016, 20:22

I did get my prescription, and based on what google says to about how to read eyeglasses prescriptions my right eye is nearsighted, and I have astigmatism in it too, and my left eye does not have a prescription. The numbers for ny right eye are -0.5, -0.75, and 130.

Zoe 17 Mar 2016, 20:22

I did get my prescription, and based on what google says to about how to read eyeglasses prescriptions my right eye is nearsighted, and I have astigmatism in it too, and my left eye does not have a prescription. The numbers for ny right eye are -0.5, -0.75, and 130.

Soundmanpt 17 Mar 2016, 09:05


When you go to get your glasses be sure to ask for a copy of your prescription that way we can advise you as to when you will be needing your glasses most. You can of course ask the optician while he / she is fitting them on you about when you should wear your glasses. But really that is going to be up to you because you might be much better with tolerating some blurriness or you might prefer seeing everything crystal clear and sharp. You may like your glasses enough and feel so comfortable wearing them that you might want to just wear them all the time and that is perfectly fine and you won't be doing any harm to your eyes by wearing them. The only exception is that when you might be doing a lot of close work such as reading or studying then you should take your glasses off because your eyes don't need any additional help with seeing close up. Let us know how it feels seeing things with your new glasses once you pick them up.

Alexandra 17 Mar 2016, 08:49

Zoe what is your prescription ?

Zoe 17 Mar 2016, 04:30

The doctor said nithing about when to wear them, but he did say they would help me see everything in more detail, and helo me focus on small stuff that are further away. I am getting the glasses in a few hours. Can't believe in a few hours I will be a girl with glasses.

Weirdeyes 16 Mar 2016, 10:39

Apparently it does work on adults once in a while. At least if it's refractive amblyopia. Strabismic amblyopia is way harder to treat. I used to be considered amblyopic. I didn't get glasses until I was eleven and I didn't get a decent prescription until I was thirteen. I can now be corrected to 20/20 or 20/15 in both eyes.

Tom1 16 Mar 2016, 09:44

I read in an old post in the Post your prescription thread that a person wears a +2 unneeded corretion on one eye to make her vision very blurry, in replacement of a patch. This is to correct amblyopia. Is this common? I dind't hear before... I presume this works only for children, not adults... correct?

Tom1 16 Mar 2016, 09:44

I read in an old post in the Post your prescription thread that a person wears a +2 unneeded corretion on one eye to make her vision very blurry, in replacement of a patch. This is to correct amblyopia. Is this common? I dind't hear before... I presume this works only for children, not adults... correct?

Soundmanpt 15 Mar 2016, 08:07


So did we describe pretty much what an eye exam would be like? Was there any part of the exam that scared you? I'm sure you got a lot of the "which is better" question asked of you. But that is the only way the doctor knows which lenses works best for your eyes. If you didn't remember to ask for a copy of your prescription you should ask for a copy when you go to get your glasses. By any chance when the doctor was testing your distance vision on the eye chart do you remember how many lines from the bottom you weren't able to see clearly? Did you take your time in picking out your glasses? When you go to get your glasses when they call to say that their ready, they should do a fitting for you. An optician will put your glasses on you and check the fit behind your ears. They should only be touching the backside of your ears slightly. If they feel tight be sure to let them know that Once they have them adjusted to your face they should have you put your head down and shake your head. If your glasses come lose or slide down they are too loose. You don't want your glasses sliding down all the time because constantly pushing them back up can be annoying. They will give you a glasses case and a micro cleaning cloth to clean your glasses with. When your not wearing your glasses ALWAYS put them in the case. Trust me throwing them in your bag will very quickly cause them to get the lenses scratched. Never sit your glasses down on the lenses. Never clean your glasses with anything made from paper such as tissues, paper towels and toilet paper. I don't know what the optician will advise but you really should wear your glasses for about a week full time so your eyes can adjust to them, then you can wear them as needed. It's fine to wear your glasses as much as you like and you won't be doing any harm to your eyes. The only time you should not be wearing them is when your doing a lot of close work such as studying or reading a book. So that takes us to how your feeling about wearing glasses in front of your friends, classmates and even your family for the first time? If you have any fears only look around at how many of your friends wear glasses now. Yes of course when they see you wearing glasses for the first time they are going to comment but it will be in the form of complements on how nice you look wearing glasses. You can fully expect that your girlfriends will be wanting to try them as well. After everyone has seen you wearing glasses your wearing glasses will quickly be old news. Do you have any questions or concerns we can maybe help you with about getting glasses?

Carrie 14 Mar 2016, 23:46

Zoe - not a surprise really. I think you were expecting it. Do you know what your prescription is? Did the doctor suggest you wear glasses just for distances or all the time?

Zoe 14 Mar 2016, 23:05

I had my appointment today, and the doctor said I could benefit from glasses. I am a nearsighted. The glasses should be ready in two days.

 14 Mar 2016, 23:02

June 13 Mar 2016, 23:03

You have explained it very well to,Zoe. Well done Carrie

Carrie 13 Mar 2016, 17:41

Zoe - in that case you will probably need to get glasses for activities such as watching TV and looking at boards and screens at school. They won't improve your reading vision because you probably don't need any improvement but they won't make it worse.

Remember there is nothing to be scared of or worried about. If you get prescribed glasses the time it takes for them to be ready will depend on how the place operates. Some places can make your glasses in about an hour, other places have to send the frames and your details away to be made in to your prescription glasses which will take a few days to a couple of weeks.

If you like shopping for clothes and shoes then you will like choosing your frames as there are so many to choose from! Take someone with you that you trust will give an honest opinion on the frames you try on. You could also take a selfish when you try each frame on so you can see how others would see you, which is different to how you see yourself in a mirror. Don't worry if you can't decide on a frame on the day as you can always come back another day. If you have a copy of your prescription given to you then you can also go to another store to choose your frames if you can't find anything you like in the store where you get eyes tested. Depending where you are in the world the place you get your eyes tested at must give you a copy of your prescription (you may have to ask for it).

Likelenses 13 Mar 2016, 16:09


That would be an indication that you are nearsighted.

Zoe 13 Mar 2016, 15:43


It was not a hand held menue. I struggeled reading a menue at the shopping mall. You know where the menues are up on the wall behind the cashier.

Carrie 13 Mar 2016, 02:43

Zoe - because you are still at school and are probably getting close to starting a long period of exams and a lot of studying for those exams you are doing the right thing in getting your eyes tested. If the menu that you had trouble with was a hand held one that you get in restaurants you are likely to need glasses for reading. Glasses will make the text in books and on computer screens really clear and comfortable to read (they will make looking at your phone more comfortable too!) so your eyes won't get so tired.

I sometimes wonder if I had got glasses when I was at school I might have done a bit better in my exams. I was 17 and at college when I got my first glasses. That was about 5 1/2 years ago and my prescription is currently +2.50 in one eye and +3.00 in the other. I love getting new glasses fitted as the assistant will gently brush my hair back behind my ears with their fingers. I find that very arousing, especially if it's an attractive female assistant.(I am a lesbian in case you were wondering)

Likelenses 13 Mar 2016, 01:44

previous post was from me.

l 13 Mar 2016, 01:41


This may give you a rough idea of the outcome on Monday.

Likelenses 13 Mar 2016, 00:51


Most of us that are nearsighted,thought that we were seeing alright,or thought we had a small problem.

Then when we went to the optometrist,and at the point during the exam. that he began placing test lenses in front of our eyes ,did we realize that we were not seeing well,especially when he removed the lenses,and we noticed a lot of blur.

Then when our new glasses were ready,and the optician first put them on us it was a whole new world.It is an experience that you will never forget.

If you are nearsighted you will not want to take your glasses off,when you experience your newly corrected vision.

Zoe 13 Mar 2016, 00:38


Thank you so much for sharing. It is greatly appreciated.

Zoe 12 Mar 2016, 22:02

Cactus Jack

I am fifteen years old and still a junior in school. Thank you for referring me to your earlier post, it was helpful


Thank you for all of your insight.

Carrie 12 Mar 2016, 19:25

Zoe - nothing to be scared of. I think the only part you might not like is when they check the pressure inside your eyes. The machine puffs a quick blast of air on to your eyeball. It's not painful, just a bit odd feeling and might make your eyes water a bit but it's all part of the very important procedure of checking the health of your eyes. They will check your vision for distance and reading and advise you what you need glasses for.

I first realised I needed glasses when I tried on ready made reading glasses which made text really sharp. After I got proper prescription glasses I soon found I could see through them at all distances not just reading so I wore them all the time. At my next eye test I got a stronger prescription and was told that I should wear my glasses for distance as well as for reading. I had planned on wearing my new glasses full time anyway. It turns out that my prescription has gradually been increased each time so I can get used to it easier as I have latent hyperopia which means that my eyes were a lot worse than I realised and I managed to compensate until I noticed I needed glasses. I actually need my glasses full time now. I can see without glasses, it's just uncomfortable and slightly out of focus (well, very out of focus close up).

I'm not saying this is what will happen with you. You might have the same prescription you get on Monday for the rest of your life.

Wearing my glasses didn't make my eyes worse it showed me how bad they already were.

Soundmanpt 12 Mar 2016, 16:02


There is no reason to feel scared or nervous about getting your eyes examined or with getting glasses if which it seems you have a pretty good chance your going to be getting. You can go back in this same thread and likely find comments from others about getting their eyes examined as well as getting their first glasses. The eye exam should take about 45 minutes. There won't be anything painful done to you. You will go through a lot of the which is better type questions and if yo don't understand what is being asked don't be afraid to ask. If your not sure which is better answer that way. When the exam is finished be sure to ask for a copy of your prescription because most places don't provide you with that unless you ask for it. The simple reason is they want you to come back to them for your glasses needs. But if you ask for it they will gladly provide it to you and then if you post it in here we can better tell you what all the numbers mean in regard to your eyes. Once you finish the eye exam I assume the place you will be getting your eye exam done at also sells glasses so you will likely head over to where they have the frames mounted on the wall or shelves and start trying on frames. I personally think you should plan on leaving yourself plenty of time for this process which I would suggest nothing less than an hour. I'm sure an assistant will come to help you with picking out glasses. Their advice is usually really good because they will know best the proper size glasses that fit your face shape and size best. Once you pick out the frames you will be asked several questions about your lenses for your glasses. Yes they have all sorts of options the will be trying to sell you. Your prescription is going to be a rather weak one so you won't be needing any special thinner lenses. Most lenses now come as scratch resistant and the one thing i do highly recommend that you do get for your lenses is the AR coating (anti-reflective) They will probably offer you several versions of the AR coating (good, better and best) and each one will cost a little bit more than the other. In your case it is up to you but if it were me I would stay with the least expensive one since your insurance won't cover it anyway.But even the least expensive one should work okay for you and since I assume that you might drive and your probably going to be told that you now need to wear glasses fro driving having the AR coating is very helpful driving at bight because it really cuts down on glare and reflections. Because these are going to be your first glasses and it will take a bit of getting used to wearing them many people that get full plastic frames seem to have a problem at first with being able to see the frame so well. You may want to check out a semi-rimless frame. That is a frame that only has a frame across the top and no frame around the bottom. You also may need to be thinking about the type of nose pad pads you like. Plastic frames have molded nose pads that don't adjust and wire frame glasses usually have adjustable nose pads. You should expect that you will be told that your glasses will be ready in about 4 days to a week. Since you seem pretty sure that your going to be getting glasses, which i think your probably right about, you probably should start telling everyone you know that your probably going to be getting glasses soon. That way when you get them it will be that much easier to wear them in front of people for the first time which i'm sure you may already be thinking about. Hope this helped you somewhat.

Cactus Jack 12 Mar 2016, 15:50


May I ask your age and occupation?

I posted HOW TO STUDY FOR AN EYE EXAM on December 27, 2015 on this Vision thread. It is in 2 parts. You might find it helpful.

You can scroll down on this thread, but because of a display limitation, you may have to scroll to the bottom of the posts and click to see more posts. Please let me know if you cannot find it and I will try to repost it.


Zoe 12 Mar 2016, 12:47

I have my first eye exam since primary school on monday, and I am pretty nervous. I feel like I see okay, but could not help but notice I had trouble reading a menue last month. I suppose this means I will be needing glasses. For some reason I thought I had successfully escaped needing glasses, but now it seems likely. I am sort of scared. I was hoping people could share their experiences from when they first got glasses, and from their eye exams. Hearing other people's stories may ease the nervousness.

astigmaphile 09 Mar 2016, 14:06

Cactus Jack,

I wish that people would learn that legally blind is 20/200 with correction. A myopic person with horrible vision bare eyed is functionally blind.

Cactus Jack 08 Mar 2016, 21:32


It is probably a psychological need to be a victim of something. It may be similar to someone saying that they are legally blind, when they can be corrected to 20/20 with glasses or contacts.


Weirdeyes 08 Mar 2016, 12:43

One interesting thing I've noticed is people with similar prescriptions having totally different descriptions of their eyesight. My current prescription is R +1.00, -0.75 L +4.25, -1.50. A lot of people with similar prescriptions say their vision without glasses is bad or they're blind without their glasses. I'm talking about people without cylinder. My vision is pretty uncomfortable and my depth perception is awful without glasses, but I wouldn't say my vision is bad. Any reason why people with similar prescriptions to mine would say their vision is "bad"? Is it because of the high number in one eye?

John S 06 Mar 2016, 20:08

At 13, my first rx was +1.00, add +1.75 for both eyes.

I am 60 now and it really hasn't changed a lot. +1.00 -0.75 X 95, +1.25 -0.75 X 75 add +2.50.

KL 06 Mar 2016, 17:29

Mine started out at either -2.00/-2.25 or -2.25/-2.50 at the age of 13. I had two prescription changes after that, the second at 18 which was either -3.25/-3.75 or -3.50/-4.00.

There was another one four years after that, but all I remember is that it had gone down some (and the optometrist wondered if I'd hit my head to make that happen.)

Last one nearly a year ago was -2.50/-3.00 - not sure how that compares to the previous one, as I don't have that prescription written down and can't find the glasses to try them.

So pretty much the usual/expected increase followed by a decrease - and I'm not middle aged and don't have cataracts. I also didn't try to get overcorrected at 18 - I went for a check because street signs were becoming a little iffy.

Galileo 06 Mar 2016, 16:38

hi Puffin, my scrip was something like -0.75/-0.50 with a bit of astigmatism in one eye 40 years ago and has barely changed, in fact after my last Rx did change I shared it and Cactus Jack said it was the same script just written differently. About 10 years ago the optician started to put an add +1 on but so far I have not taken that up - I can manage what close work I need to do without and I don't get headaches (yet). And I rarely wear my glasses anyway. The Rx is not high enough to require me to wear them for driving, though I do wear them for driving out of choice. I like seeing the street signs a second or two earlier than I can without.

Melyssa 04 Mar 2016, 05:51

Or in my case, both ways -- going from -1.75/-1.50 to -9.00 over a 28-year period, and staying the same for the past 24 years.

Dan 04 Mar 2016, 05:11


I first got glasses my senior year of high school with a prescription something like:

OD -0.50 -0.50 x 90

OS Plano --0.50 x 90

nine years later, I'm 26 and my prescription is:

OD -1.5 -0.25 x 90

OS -1.5

I clearly show the no sky rocketing trend. By biggest increase came after my sophimore and junior year of college when I went from my origin prescription to -.75 after my soph yr and then to -1.25 after my junior. All in all a pretty boring progression.

Puffin 03 Mar 2016, 17:24

I know we've all heard stories, real and imagined of people who have got glasses and then their prescription rockets upward...

But what about those that get glasses, and then their RX doesn't change at all, or perhaps only a little in years?

We never seem to hear much about that. Anyone care to share?

Likelenses 25 Feb 2016, 22:02

Although this is a supposed eyesight improvement site ,the ,myopia calculator is interesting,and seems very accurate.

Cactus Jack 18 Feb 2016, 13:21


You may be just a tiny bit Hyperopic in your Left eye and what is called Emmetropic in your Right eye (no correction required). Not to worry, we just needed a starting point.

What you need to do is order some Glasses from Zenni Optical with the following prescription.

OD (Right Eye) Sphere -1.00, Cylinder 0.00, Axis 0

OS (Left Eye)Sphere -1.00, Cylinder 0.00, Axis 0

You will need to measure your PD - it is easy you just need a rule calibrated in mm and your bathroom mirror. We will tell you how or you can check the Zenni site. I suggest you get familiar with the Zenni site and learn how it works.

I suggest you order some glasses with $6.95 frames (scroll down to the Quicklinks for 6.95 glasses), Standard 1.50 lenses and maybe the $4.95 Anti-Reflective coatings. Shipping will be about $5.00. You can order some more expensive frames, but the $6.95 frames are OK and as you will notice below, you are going to need several pairs of glasses that you will not wear very long before moving to a higher prescription.

You will need a credit card and a mailing address.

Depending on your budget, you might consider ordering a second pair with Sphere -2.00 and the same frames.

The trick will be figuring out how to establish a need in the minds of your Parents, Friends and relatives AND What appears to be a legitimate Eye Exam.

You need to deal with getting the glasses first.

Ideally, what you need to do is start wearing the the -1.00 glasses as much as possible. Then switch to the -2.00. full time, If you don't change the frame, you can probably switch and no one will notice. In private you can wear the -2.00 with the -1.00 over them as much as possible. Particularly when studying. Then order -3.00 and-4.00 glasses, again with the same frame. You get the idea.

The important thing is to have a plan and then execute it.

We should move this to the Induced Myopia thread or if you wish to contact me privately use

CJB 18 Feb 2016, 12:06

Cactus Jack

I was able to do the test with an old pair of my dad's 1.50 drugstore glasses last night. I measured my distances in inches, and did it three times for each eye. The distances I got for the left are- 26 and 5/8 of an inch, 26 and 5/16 of an inch and 27 inches. For my right I got 26.25 inches, 26 and 3/8 of an inches and 26.25 inches again. Also, I felt like clarifying the fact that I do not just want to wear glasses, I want to need them. I would really like to get my eyes to be one myopic, preferably to a point where the glasses I need are thick, or at least not the kind where I would be able to get along perfectly fine without my glasses.

Cactus Jack 18 Feb 2016, 10:03


Are you still around? Curious how the glasses are working out.


Cactus Jack 17 Feb 2016, 19:15


Many people, who do not understand the symptoms of low myopia, get an eye exam and give the examiner the wrong symptoms. If his findings on the Objective part of the exam to not agree with the symptoms provided and what you say on the Subjective part of the exam, you may not get a prescription. The Objective part of the exam occurs when the examiner either uses an Auto-Refractor or an instrument called an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope to look into your eyes. With either method, he/she know with in a small fraction of a diopter what your prescription will be. You can't cheat and you should not try. There is a better way.

If you want to get some MINUS glasses, you need to do one of two things. Get an eye exam with consistent symptoms that result in a Low Minus prescription. Or, order some low cost glasses online with an appropriate prescription. Or a combination of both. We can help you with all of this, but you will need to follow instructions and answer all the questions we ask. There are several obstacles to overcome. We have been there, done that, and and got both the T-Shirt and the glasses.

Think of this as a practical learning adventure into the world of Optical Physics and Physiology of the Eye. It is not hard, and when you have accomplished your objective, you will know more about these subjects than 99% of your class mates.

The first thing you need to do is the simple eye test I mentioned earlier. The results of that text will guide further actions.

1. You need to get an inexpensive pari of Over-the-counter (OTC) 1.50 or 1.75 readers. The reason you DO NOT want to use borrowed prescription glasses is that it might have some Cylinder correction and you don't want that for this test.

Optical Principles behind the test

This test makes use of Sir Isaac Newton's most basic equation that relates Focus Distance and Lens Power in Diopters. The idea of the OTC readers is to make you Myopic or Nearsighted by a known amount and then measure the distance where small text just gets fuzzy. By creating the effect of being nearsighted, we move the place where text just starts to get fuzzy into a range we can easily measure with surprising accuracy and then use that number to compare with where the text should have been getting fuzzy based on the lens power. The test is done with each eye individually.

1. In normal room lighting (not too bright), put on the reading glasses. Distant things should be a bit blurry.

2. Close one eye and hold the book or newspaper close, say 6 inches and then move it gradually away until the small text just begins to get fuzzy.. Note the distance.

3. Repeat step 2 at least 3 times and average the distances.

4. Close the other eye and repeat test step 2 and 3 at least 3 times and average the results.

4. Let me know the results.

I will do some simple calculations which you can also do to get a pretty good idea of just how nearsighted the OCT readers made you using Sir Isaac's equation.

If you used +1.50 glasses and DO NOT have any refractive error, the small letter should have started getting fuzzy at:

Focal Distance = 1 meter. 100 cm, 1000 mm or 39.37 inches / 1.50 (the units of measure have to be consistent.

If you used inches, it would be 39.37 / 1.50 = 26.25 inches

If you used +1.75 glasses, it would be 39.37 / 1.75 = 22.5 inches

If you got different distances than the above, it means that you have some refractive error and we need to account for that difference in choosing the next steps.

After this test, I will suggest an online test for Astigmatism.

Some other things we can help you with. If you order online you will need a Credit Card of some kind and be able to receive a small package in the mail, possibly confidentially.


Cactus Jack 17 Feb 2016, 14:34


Thank you. I think you might be able to Induce some Myopia or just wear some MINUS glasses if you want to. I have a simple test I would like you to perform to get an idea of any existing refractive error. I am a bit tied up this afternoon, but should be able to outline the test this evening.

Have you taken nay math or science courses?

The only thing you will need for the test is a pair of non-prescription reading glasses in the +1.50 to +1.75 range, a book or newspaper, and a tape measure or yard stick. I will explain the theory and the test in my next post. You may be able to pick up some very inexpensive +1.50 or + 1.75 reading glasses at a "Dollar" store. Optically, they are not very good, but they are good enough for this purpose. You can also use borrowed +1.50 or +1.75 readers, but you probably don't want prescription glasses unless you know that they only have Sphere correction. You don't want stronger or weaker reading glasses because they make the test harder. The test only takes 15 - 20 minutes. After that, the reading glasses are not of much value.

BTW, I live in Houston. so there should not be much of a time of day issue.


CJB 17 Feb 2016, 12:18

Soundmanpt, and Cactus Jack

Thanks for responding. You guys were very helpful.

To answer your questions Cactus Jack

1.17, Male


3.I work after school and on weekends at a call place

4.I am not in college yet

5.My 4 year old niece wears minus glasses. Other than that I do not know. Both my parents were adopted, so my direct family and my sister's family are the only blood relatives I have.

Soundmanpt 17 Feb 2016, 09:50


All the questions that "Cactus Jack" has asked you are very important to know to better determine if you're a good candidate for "Inducing Myopia" (making yourself nearsighted). But even if you're not in the prime age to create a need for glasses you can still wear prescription glasses if you want without any problem. If you research the "Induced Myopia" thread you will see where several in there that wear glasses daily with -3.00 or stronger lenses and yet they still have perfect eyesight without their glasses. So since it just seems like you want to be able to wear real glasses I am sure you will at the very least be able to wear a decent prescription. In order to induce myopia once you get your glasses you will need to learn that you will need to put your glasses on as soon as you open your eyes each day and don't take them off until you close your eyes for bed that night. You're actually training your eyes to only see with corrective lenses. Everyone seems to think that inducing needs strong glasses. But if there too strong it makes it really hard for the wearer to see very well and that usually leads to them taking their glasses off too much. To avoid question from friends and co-workers or fellow students you want to do everything just as you would if you went and got your eyes examined and found out that you need glasses. I would suggest that you start by complaining to people that you're having trouble seeing things in the distance and let them know you plan on getting you eyes examined, which of course you don't need to do. Then mention to them that your going to be getting glasses soon. It's very rare for anyone to ever get even moderately strong glasses as their first glasses. So most would expect that your glasses would be on the weak side and really you need them to be on the weak side so you're able to see okay with them. Your first glasses I would suggest be around -.75 or maybe -1.00 but no more to start with. Not very strong but enough for your eyes to adjust to. You didn't say if you know how to go about getting your glasses or not? I highly recommend Zenni Optical ( for you to get your glasses from. You don't need a doctor's prescription to order your glasses. They offer well over 800 women's glasses and about the same for men for under $13.00. Since you're going to be wearing your glasses full time you really should include the optional AR coating (anti-reflective) because it relaxes your eyes because it cuts down on glare and reflections. That option is only an additional $5.00 and shipping is $5.00 more. So you can expect to pay about $23.00 for your glasses. You will have them within 2 weeks of placing your order. I can offer you tips on making sure that you get glasses that fit your face properly by size. Do you have any idea what type of glasses you want to wear? I mean do you want a full plastic frame or maybe a semi-rimless frame or something else? If your unsure you may want to stop in at an optical store and try on frame to determine what looks best on you. The sales person will ask to help you and you may even let them make suggestions for you. Just tell them that you have your own doctor that you go to for your eye exam and you still need to do that but you just want to get a head start in picking out glasses.

You were concerned if an optometrist (eye doctor) could tell that you worsened your eyes. The answer is no there is no way they would know.

Cactus Jack 16 Feb 2016, 21:58


What you want to do is called Inducing Myopia (nearsightedness). There is even a thread for that on this site. You cannot Induce Hyperopia (farsightedness), but sometimes people have it and not know it. Or Hyperopia xnu be so mild that you can correct it internally without even being aware that your are doing it.

There are several factors that govern your ability to Induce Myopia. The most important factor is your genes. The second most important factor is your age.

Lets start with these questions. They may seem unrelated, but please trust me because the answers affect my suggestions

1. What is your age and gender?

2. Where do you live?

3. What is your occupation?

4. If you are a student, what are you studying?

5. Do any of your parents, grandparents, or other blood relatives wear MINUS glasses?

Depending on your answers, I may ask you to do some simple tests to help determine how to address your wishes.

I hope 'CJ' does not confuse our other members. I won't insist, but would you consider another nickname?


CJ 16 Feb 2016, 17:31

Hey guys! For as long as I can remember I have always thought glasses are super attractive, and I hsve always wanted glasses. Unfortunatly everytine I get my eyes checked I grt told I do not need glasses. What I am wonderibg how exactly could I get my eyes to become nearsighted? I especialy love the nearsighted glasses, but if I could make myself farsighted that would be fine too. The reasib why I am asking is because I remember reading sonething online about a year ago about how some lady really wsnted ti be nearsighted so she made it happen. I cannot remember where I read it. Was it just some wish story, or could there be truth to her story. Is it possible to make your eyesight change and to get yourself to beed glasses? If so, how would I go about it? How long before I would need glasses? Would an eye doctor be able to tell I worsened my eyesight?


astigmaphile 12 Feb 2016, 15:50


The last time I ordered lined bifocals from Zenni the price with shipping was $31.90.

Soundmanpt 12 Feb 2016, 13:28


Okay I didn't know that where your at the postage is $9.99 because here in the US it is only $4.95. And really even if for some reason the glasses don't work you know you can return them and get 50% of your money back so it isn't that much of a risk really.

A lot depends on what type of frames your getting and how big the frame is. A full plastic frame shouldn't be bad at all. I have ordered glasses with very close to the same strength as your glasses and because they were only backups to their contacts they really didn't care if the lenses looked thick or not and they turned out looking great.

Jillian 12 Feb 2016, 11:54


Do you think my lens will be very thick,its ok just wondering

Jillian 12 Feb 2016, 11:51

Hi Soundmanpt

Second pair only cost $34 so i need 2 pairs incase I break a pair and postage for a second pair would have been $9.99'

I was amassed how clear reading my cell phone was with the test reading glasses I found it almost impossible to read it with the distance lens he put in. He made me keep the testing glasses on with distance lens in for 15 mins and told me to walk about every thing in the distance was so clear but cell phone was a complete blur ,but when i took them off i felt blind even when i put my old glasses back on i had a problem seeing

I went straight back to the other shop and demanded my money back. '

Soundmanpt 12 Feb 2016, 10:51


Your new prescription is considerably different from the first one you got. In fact if it were me I would be going back to where you got your previous eye exam and demanding my money back. Not only is it quite a bit off but as you can see they even wrote it wrong for you as well. Not very competent if you ask me.

But I am curious as to why your ordering 2 pairs of glasses? Even though Zenni has very good prices bifocals still run about $50.00. I would think you would want to just get one pair first to see how well they work for you and then once you feel comfortable with them then order a 2nd pair. But let's look on the positive side and hope that they work great for you.

Jillian 12 Feb 2016, 10:40

Thank you for your advise today I went to a different eye dr and had a retest

OD Sph -5.75 Cyl -2.00 Axis 180 ADD +2.00

OS Sph -3.75 Cyl -1.50 Axis 180 ADD =2.00

I have ordered 2 pairs of 1.50 D28 lined bifocals from Zenni tonight I did not want to pay the extra for 1.61 as i not worn this prescription yet.

I hope this helps me with the double vision for reading

THE dr said my new lens would be thicker but as long as i can see better that's ok

Cactus Jack 09 Feb 2016, 15:08


There are many things that can affect a person's prescription. The only thing cataract surgery affected was her Crystalline Lenses. There are actually 4 lenses in the Eye's Lens system. Only one of which is the Crystalline Lens. We typically ignore the Aqueous Humor and Vitreous Humor when considering the elements that make up 2 of the 4 lenses, but blood chemistry, particularly Blood Glucose levels can cause a prescription change in the Refractive Index of the Humors. Also, astigmatism, which is caused by uneven curvature of the front surface of the cornea can change over time.

If you want better analysis, we need her prescription after Cataract Surgery and her most recent prescription.


Elaine 09 Feb 2016, 13:15

My mother in law had cataract surgery a long time ago..10 years? They gave her monovision which seems to have served her well. Now she tells me she had an exam and needs to wear glasses for driving. I thought that after her cataracts were fixed and she got mono-vision she would be done with glasses. Why not?

Soundmanpt 09 Feb 2016, 11:16


A lot can happen in 9 months time but it is possible depending on your age that when you got your eyes examined they didn't do too much checking of your close vision. If your on the younger side they wouldn't pay as much attention as they would if you were say over 40.

Like so many others before you it is interesting how many find out that they need glasses by trying on a friend's glasses or in your case a co worker's. It is very normal that when you looked out the window things were blurry. Her glasses are for close up not distance. Based on the various comments everyone was making it sounds like her glasses are probably on the weak side if some said they didn't even make any difference and other said they were too weak. So of course you can book an appointment to get your eyes checked again and this time be sure to mention how well you were able to see with your co worker's glasses or next time your out and about I suggest that you find a store that sells over the counter readers. The power is marked on them. Find a pair that is +1.00 or +1.25 and try them on and most places even have a board with type on it to test the glasses with. If not simply go and find a magazine or book and test them that way. You should be able t find a really nice pair for under $20.00. If you work in an office where yo do a good deal of close work you should probably put them on as soon as you get into work and not take them off until the end of your work day. They may take a little getting used to but don't be surprised that your eyes may feel much more relaxed by the end of the day. You could also ask your co worker if she has any idea what the prescription of her glasses is but if she got them from her optician she probably won't know. But you could ask her if she would mind calling and asking what it is if you want the same prescription as hers.

BJ 09 Feb 2016, 10:16

I had a regular eye exam last year, and was told I don't need glasses yet. A co-worker came in to work yesterday wearing new glasses she says are for close work. She was having trouble reading her phone, so decided to have her eyes checked. As she passed her new glasses around, comments ranged from "they aren't strong enough" from long time wearers, to they really don't make much of a difference. When they finally made it to me, I found they blurred everything out the window, but made everything close bolder and darker. If I didn't need glasses 9 months or so ago, what is the liklihood that now I do need them? The tiny print was particulary clear.

Cactus Jack 07 Feb 2016, 10:07

Sorry for the double post. Slow response from the computer.


Cactus Jack 07 Feb 2016, 10:06


I strongly suggest that you get another eye exam before ordering glasses. Don't bother looking for -0.28 Cylinder correction. It does not exist in the real world. I am wondering if you may have been given a fake prescription so you CAN NOT order satisfactory glasses from another source. It is more common than you think with some Optical Chains. DO NOT go back to the same Eye Care Professional or the same Optical Chain for a second exam. If you order online, you will need your PD, which is not hard to measure, if you don't know it. Bifocals will have 2 PDs written as a fraction (64/61) or as two PDs, one for Near and one for Far.

It is faintly possible that you have some Pseudo Myopia, but it typically does not go away suddenly and IF it went away it would not yield the same prescription in each eye.

The lined bifocals you described are the shape of the Reading Segment.

Round - is just a circular area about 25 to 30 mm in diameter with more PLUS or less MINUS in the lower part of the lens. It is not very common these days.

D28 also known as FT28 is a "D" shaped segment that has a Flat Top that is 28 mm across. This is the most common type of Lined Bifocal.

D35 or FT35 is a "D" shaped segment that is 35 mm across. It gives a wider field of view in the reading segment. It is much less common than FT28.

Executive - is a reading segment that goes all the way across the lens. It is like the original bifocal lens created by Benjamin Franklin in the late 1700s. Executive Bifocals are often used as "work" glasses by Accountants or others who do a lot of close reading work. Typically, they also have a pair of FT28s or Progressives that they wear when not doing actual close work. Executive bifocals are not very attractive glasses.

My suggestion for Lined Bifocals for everyday wear is D28 or FT28 (same thing). Then, if you find that you need a wider field of view for close focusing help, explore other options. We can help you with that.

It is helpful to know your occupation when suggesting what style of bifocals you might find most useful. Also, it is helpful to know where you live. (country)


Cactus Jack 07 Feb 2016, 10:05


I strongly suggest that you get another eye exam before ordering glasses. Don't bother looking for -0.28 Cylinder correction. It does not exist in the real world. I am wondering if you may have been given a fake prescription so you CAN NOT order satisfactory glasses from another source. It is more common than you think with some Optical Chains. DO NOT go back to the same Eye Care Professional or the same Optical Chain for a second exam. If you order online, you will need your PD, which is not hard to measure, if you don't know it. Bifocals will have 2 PDs written as a fraction (64/61) or as two PDs, one for Near and one for Far.

It is faintly possible that you have some Pseudo Myopia, but it typically does not go away suddenly and IF it went away it would not yield the same prescription in each eye.

The lined bifocals you described are the shape of the Reading Segment.

Round - is just a circular area about 25 to 30 mm in diameter with more PLUS or less MINUS in the lower part of the lens. It is not very common these days.

D28 also known as FT28 is a "D" shaped segment that has a Flat Top that is 28 mm across. This is the most common type of Lined Bifocal.

D35 or FT35 is a "D" shaped segment that is 35 mm across. It gives a wider field of view in the reading segment. It is much less common than FT28.

Executive - is a reading segment that goes all the way across the lens. It is like the original bifocal lens created by Benjamin Franklin in the late 1700s. Executive Bifocals are often used as "work" glasses by Accountants or others who do a lot of close reading work. Typically, they also have a pair of FT28s or Progressives that they wear when not doing actual close work. Executive bifocals are not very attractive glasses.

My suggestion for Lined Bifocals for everyday wear is D28 or FT28 (same thing). Then, if you find that you need a wider field of view for close focusing help, explore other options. We can help you with that.

It is helpful to know your occupation when suggesting what style of bifocals you might find most useful. Also, it is helpful to know where you live. (country)


Jillian 07 Feb 2016, 01:57

I have been looking on the internet there seems to be 4 different types of bifocals round,D28 D35 and executive i'm not sure which to order after my retest

Jillian 07 Feb 2016, 01:43

Yes i not want to spend money on glasses and find they useless

Weirdeyes 07 Feb 2016, 01:38

I actually think it's a good idea to go to a different eye doctor when you have a weird prescription change.

Jillian 07 Feb 2016, 01:27


I have not ordered my glasses yet.

I am happy to wear bifocals,my boyfriend said i will look sexy wearing them i will get lined bifocals but not sure yet which type i will order there seems to be many types of lined bifocals but it seems strange that my right eye has gone from -5.75 to -3.75 in 6 months also -28 seems strange as i have looked on the internet and cant see -28 on any of the sites my distance vision in my glasses i have now is fine i only went for a test because of reading cell phone.

Likelenses 07 Feb 2016, 00:57


I would wait on making a second appointment until you have tried the new glasses.

I am sure you need the bifocals,and if your myopia has gotten to the point that you need a balanced Rx,that is a good thing.

Besides bifocals are quite sexy!

Jillian 07 Feb 2016, 00:44

I don't have my new glasses yet i think i will go to another eye dr for a second test,There was no cylinder correction in my old prescription.

Likelenses 06 Feb 2016, 23:46


Do you have the new glasses.

I can understand your need for the bifocal part of your Rx,as you are having trouble seeing your phone,but it is strange that your distance part changed that much.

Was there any cylinder in your old prescription?

Jillian 04 Feb 2016, 22:28

Hi Cactus Jack

my last prescription was OD -4.00 OS -5.75

Cactus Jack 04 Feb 2016, 18:12


Maybe. It is rare to have the same exact prescription in each eye, I would interpret the prescription as

OD Sphere -3.75, Cylinder -0.25, Axis 95 Add +1.00

OS Sphere -3.75, Cylinder -0.25, Axis 95 Add +1.00

No tint

However, I am not 100% certain. The -0.28 cylinder is probably the result of a scribble. Cylinder is only typically offered in 0.25 diopter increments.

What your previous prescription?


Jillian  04 Feb 2016, 10:58

Hi Can you please explain my new prescription.i told the eye dr i was have problem reading my cell phone im 24 years old.

It seems strange both my eyes are exactly the same now .this prescription i was given was hand written.i just wonder if it written wrong

OD -3-75 DSPH -0.28 CYL 95

OS -3-75 DSPH -0.28 CYL 95

AD 100 /clear

many thanks

PleaseGuide 04 Feb 2016, 03:32

@Cactus Jack

I like to do GOC also,i will post on GOC thread..kindly reply me there

PleaseGuide 04 Feb 2016, 03:30

@Cactus Jack

Sorry for the late reply. Was busy for few days.

thanks for the quick response

These are the prescription values in the card

sphere - cylinder - axis


Right -no value - -1.25 - 90

-written here


Left -no value written - -1.0 - 90

I wish to get a myopia of -2 along with my current cylinder value, can u suggest a proper prescription on this?

Cactus Jack 31 Jan 2016, 12:10


It may be to late for this suggestion, but here it is anyway.

I would suggest that you consider and Anti-Reflective coating on your glasses. Glasses that have mostly Prism with very little Sphere or Cylinder can have funny reflection characteristics, it depends on how the glasses are made. A pure optical prism has flat surfaces that can reflect light like a mirror or the fake (window glass) glasses you used to see on TV or in the Movies. Most glasses, even those with Minus lenses, have Plus curve in front surface (called the Base Curve) so light source reflections will appear much smaller than actual size.

The actual power of the lens depends on the difference between the curvature of the front surface and the back surface plus a few other factors, such as the Index of Refraction of the lens material. Lens Makers try to avoid either flat or concave front surfaces even in Minus lenses, until the prescription gets very high.

The wearer rarely sees these reflections, but other people do and it can be very distracting.

I don't think AR coatings would be worth the extra cost in you children's glasses. Many places that sell glasses get premium prices for AR coatings and other "up sell" items. Anti-Scratch and UV protective coatings are worth the money unless the lens material itself is scratch resistant and does not transmit UV very well.

The exception to the AR comment is Zenni, they offer a good AR coating for only about $5.00.


Roy 30 Jan 2016, 13:14


Sorry but I tend to find frames I like and recycle them with new lenses when required. (I always keep a spare pair with my current prescription to use when lenses are being changes or if the frame gets damaged.) This means I don't really have any spare frames to sell to you.

Roy 30 Jan 2016, 13:08

Thanks for your reply Cactus. As it happens I have a scientific/engineering background so I do understand your reference to open and closed loop systems.

I think I will delay the eye test for a little while as my vision seems OK, and try some more tests at different times of the day, and perhaps purchase a set of prism bars to make testing easier. I also have a few stick-on fresnel prisms so I may try them for a day or two at a time and try and find the most comfortable amount of prism to suggest to the optician.

Cactus Jack 30 Jan 2016, 06:04


The amount of prism correction you need is not like the amount of Sphere or Cylinder correction you need. Eye motility is highly variable and what you are experiencing is typical.

I need t talk a bit technical here, so if I use unfamiliar terms, please bear with me. Servo system are the name of control system that typically move or position things. There are two basic types of Servo Systems. One is called Closed Loop Servos and Open Loop Servos. CNC Lathe and Milling Machines are examples of Closed Loop systems. Modern precision Machine Tool Control Systems KNOW the exact position of the cutting tool to within 0.0001 inch or mm.. Open Loop systems are not as precise and their control systems use the RESULTS of a movement to judge the adjustments needed in position.

The body is full of Open Loop servo systems that often use inputs from the eyes to refine hand, finger, and occasionally foot positions. The Open Loop Eye Positioning System (EPS) uses the images from the two eyes to decide the control inputs to the 6 muscles (in 3 opposing pairs) on each eyeball. The primary goal of the EPS is to fuse the two images into one, however the system actually has limited fusion range. If the images are widely separated as with "muscle imbalance" the EPS may not be able to recognize things to try to match up in the images. In general, Horizontal fusion uses Vertical Edges of objects and Vertical fusion uses Horizontal Edges as clues to what movement is necessary to fuse the images. If the EPS clues are close enough and easily discerned, the EPS will command necessary movement to fuse the images. If the clues are out of range or not sharp and clear, the EPS can't use them properly. Therefore, prisms correction only has to get the images close enough for the EPS to take over and fuse the images.

The amount of fusion effort can vary throughout the day, mostly related to fatigue. The eye positioning muscles are like any other muscles, they can get tired. It often takes effort and energy to overcome any tendency for the eyes to turn inward, outward, upward or downward. Often, it requires less apparent effort to keep images fused when you are fresh. However, when you get tired, the eye positioning muscles may tend to assume their "relaxed" position and more external prism will be required to move the images close enough to fuse. Horizontal position errors are easier to correct because the EPS does that rather frequently. Vertical position errors are harder to correct internally because there is rarely a need to move the eyes in different directions vertically.

My suggestion, when it comes to prism, is go for comfort, but be aware that significant prism in glasses can affect Visual Acuity. This is particularly true, if the ECPs do not get the location of the Optical Center of the lens so that it is co-incident with the Central Axis of Vision from each eye.

I hope this helps.


Cactus Jack 30 Jan 2016, 05:20


Many people with mild Myopia and little or no Astigmatism, often do not use their glasses for reading or using a computer. Myopia is like having built in reading glasses and the power of those reading glasses is the reverse of their Sphere prescription. If a person needs -2.00 for distance, their built in reading glasses are +2.00 and if you use Sir Isaac Newton's most fundamental formula for focus distance:

Focus Distance = 1 meter or 100 cm or 39.37 inches / Lens Power

you can calculate their natural focal distance. Astigmatism, which has a different cause, reduces their natural focal distance.

Occasionally, you will see people, in their late 30s to early 40s, who are mildly Myopic and need bifocals, wearing glasses with the bottom part of the lenses cut off. That gives them the effect of bifocals without the extra cost.


Cactus Jack 30 Jan 2016, 05:09


You did a Great job of estimating the prism. Sir Isaac's definitions still work. Your convergence is typically what you have to do to fuse images at normal reading distances. We have never discussed your occupation or your age, but I suspect you do a lot of close work.

Often, Myopia is inherited. Most often from the mother's side, but also from the father. Genetics is funny, it is likely that your 12 YO will skip having significant Myopia, but may develop some as his reading load increases in High School and University.

You need to keep a close watch on the 7 YO and 5 YO, their prescriptions will likely increase as they grow and they will probably break a few pairs of glasses. You might want to consider some inexpensive spares from someone like Zenni. We can teach you how to order some surprisingly high quality, single vision kids glasses for less than $15 without an Anti-Reflective coating or less than $20 with and AR coating. Yours may cost a little more because of the prism.

Kylee may get lucky. Almost all children are born with Hyperopia, but it is one of the amazing things about how vision develops as a child grows. We are not sure EXACTLY how it works, genetically. As the child grows, the eyeballs grow and again Sir Isaac's laws come into play. If the eyeball does not grow enough, Hyperopia is the result. If they grow too much, Myopia is the result. If everything works just right, no sphere correction is required until Presbyopia finally reduces their close focusing ability and PLUS help is needed to focus close.

One suggestion, I suggest you keep files of your children's prescriptions so you can track the changes over time. The changes are not important right now, but their visual history may become important in the future.

I think your 7 YO and 5 YO will be pleasantly surprised at what the world looks like with their glasses. For your 7 YO, everything beyond about 15 inches is increasingly fuzzy. You can get an idea of his vision by just putting on a pair of +2.75 readers. For the 5 YO, the distance is about 23 inches.

BTW, what did your 7 YO think about the eye exam?


Rick 29 Jan 2016, 22:42

Cactus Jack

My five year old's prescriptiom

Right eye- -1.75

Left eye- - 1.25, -0.5, 085

My 7 year old

Right eye -2.50, -0.75, 110

Left eye -2.75, -0.75, 015


Right eye -0.25, 5 base out 2 base up

Left eye -0.25, 5 base out 2 base down

For me the doctor said I could handle up to 7 base out in each eye, but he did not want to go that high especially for a first prescription.

Ellie 29 Jan 2016, 22:08

I've been noticing that a lot of myopic people who are college-aged, myself included, tend to look at things close up without glasses. For example, when looking at text or images on a small phone screen, my friend will often look above the lenses of his glasses. I have a similar tendency, and I have a friend who does the same thing when programming code on his computer. I wonder if more people need help close up than what is actually prescribed. In my case, it's not that I can't read the text, but it's often very small and I feel that getting a bigger image by looking over the top of my glasses gives me a better view.

Cactus Jack 29 Jan 2016, 14:43


Thanks for letting me know. It is good to get first glasses professionally fitted, but you may want to consider learning how to order high quality glasses on line. It is not hard and it can be a lot less expensive.

I would be interested in the prescriptions, particularly yours as "QA" feedback.


Rick 29 Jan 2016, 12:38

Well, today was the big day. We went in as a family of 5 with no glasses, and now we have three glasses wearers. My seven year old, my five year old, and I were prescribed glasses. The doctor also said that Kylee has some hyperopia, but he thinks it will go away, and did not prescribe her glasses. The seven year old has myopia, and astigmatism. The 5 year old also has myopia and astigmatism in one eye. As for me I have been precribed prism glasses for my double vision. The docotor also found a slight bit of astigmatism.

paul 29 Jan 2016, 05:29

roy,do you have any old prism glasses you would like to sell

Roy 29 Jan 2016, 04:39

Cactus Jack,

I know you area busy man but I would appreciate your thoughts on my prism correction if you have time.

I am currently wearing 22 BO shared prisms (plus 2 up left and 3 down right). I also have myopia of -2.25 right and -4.75 left, and an add of 3. I am due an eye test but, based on previous experience, am not confident that the optician will be able to get good measurements of the prism requirement.

I bought some prisms to do some checking myself but got inconsistent results.

Doing your prism test (repeated several times) I measured 31 base out (with no glasses). (My base up/down has been stable for many years and I did not investigate this.) I then did a bare-eyed double-vision check, holding prisms in front of my eyes, and was surprised to find that I was just able to stop the double vision with only 12 dioptres base-out (shared).

I then tried wearing my glasses and holding the prisms base-in, in front of them to see how much I could reduce the net prism and maintain fusion. I found I could hold fusion with 2 base-in, but lost it with 3, meaning I could not manage with less than 20 dioptres. I also found an old pair of glasses with 18 dioptres (shared) but had double-vision with them. I then tried using the prisms as base-out to increase the net prism and found I was comfortable with at least an extra 12 dioptres. In fact an extra 2 to 4 dioptres seemed to make my eyes more relaxed.

I have no reason to think my glasses were made incorrectly, with lees prism than they should have. The outer edge thickness off the lenses is about 13mm, which is consistent with 11 base out plus the myopia correction (with 1.6 index lens material).

I know the optician will ask for my thoughts on the current prism correction. (They always do this.) If I say it's OK (which it is basically) I expect they will leave it the same. Or should I try a bit less, as the bare-eyed test indicated, or perhaps a bit more to make my eyes more comfortable. Previous attempts by opticians to reduce the prism have been unsuccessful and I have had to go back to get glasses re-made with the lost prism restored. However I am not sure of the significance of the bare-eyed test which indicated that 12 dioptres may be enough.

I look forward to your thoughts.

 28 Jan 2016, 08:33


You really should post on the Induced Myopia thread.


Cactus Jack 28 Jan 2016, 08:22


You did not provide enough information to provide guidance. We need your Complete prescription that includes Sphere, Cylinder and Axis. and any other elements for each eye. Cylinder and Axis ALWAYS go together. One without the other is meaningless.

As a general rule for Inducing Myopia you ONLY increase the Sphere number by the SAME amount in each eye and you copy the Cylinder and Axis EXACTLY. If you change the Cylinder and Axis, it is very likely that you will not be able to wear the glasses without discomfort.

Your age is important. That usually affects how much additional MINUS you can tolerate in Sphere.


PleaseGuidee 28 Jan 2016, 02:01


Inducing myopia


I am a person who have glasses wih cylinder power -1.25left and 1 right

Can anyone give me a proper prescription table with all values for me to start inducing myopia ?

I mean i want like LE -1.5 cyl -1.75 RE -1.5 cyl 1.75.

Can you please tell me what should be the values for axis on both eyes?

Or any proper values of somebody with both astigmagtism and short sight under 2 will be fine?

I request everybody not to ask why i want to add more power.Please acknowledge my wish and help me by giveing a full prescription table to order a new glass online

Cactus Jack 27 Jan 2016, 19:12


Don't be too surprised if some Hyperopia shows up during the exam. Sometimes Double Vision is related to the presence of Hyperopia. If you think Double Vision is hard to explain, the interaction between Hyperopia, Latent or Hidden Hyperopia, Presbyopia, and Double Vision is even more "interesting", in the Chinese sense.

The Chinese have a saying "May you live in interesting times". It is a curse!


Cactus Jack 27 Jan 2016, 10:35


I am looking forward to hearing the results. All of what we discussed is based on Sir Isaac Newton's discoveries about how lenses work. I got into this because I wanted to understand problems with my own vision and the only tools I had to work with were the laws of Optics and my brain. Both positive and negative feedback really helps me refine my understanding and improve the my explanations.

I have done a lot of industrial teaching and get pleasure in helping "the light bulb come on". The big disadvantage in trying to do this on the web, is that I don't get to see the look on a person's face at the dawn of understanding. Their face literally lights up, usually with a 1000 watt smile and my grin is not very far behind. I hope you have experienced that moment when something similar happens with one of your children.

I sincerely hope all this helps you and I hope the "light came on" for you and together we opened some mental doors for you that you probably did not know existed. There are lots more "doors" out there that need opening.

If you have more questions, please feel free to ask.


Rick 27 Jan 2016, 09:27

Cactus Jack

Thank you for all your help. I will tell you how our exams go.

Cactus Jack 26 Jan 2016, 09:09


It appears that you did a very good job. I have no way to tell exactly, but if the distance from your target object was approximately 10 feet or 3 meters and your calibration of about 3 cm (a little over an inch) per prism diopter, your numbers should be in the ball park.

Using your approximate average numbers (rounded for simplicity) the two images you see should appear to be about 45 cm or 18 inches apart, horizontally and 10 cm or 4 inches, vertically.

Should you get glasses with some prism correction? Probably, but fundamentally, it is up to you. You seem to be able to function with out vision correction, but I think you could function better, more comfortably, and with less stress, if you didn't have double vision problems. Also, there could be some other vision issues that are not as obvious to you right now that, if corrected, would make your life more pleasant. You won't know that until after the exam.

You actually don't have a lot of Strabismus, but I am sure it seems like a lot to you. There is no way to predict what the examiner will recommend, but if he/she agrees with your findings, The prism prescription might be something like this

Right Eye Prism 4 Base Out 2 Base Up

Left Eye Prism 4 Base Out 2 Base Down

There might be other numbers such as Sphere, Cylinder, and Axis, but we have no way to estimate that. Also, because this is a first prescription with prism, the numbers might be less than that. Notice that I only used 1/2 of what we measured and I split the total amount and put 1/2 in each eye.

The effect on the glasses lenses would be that the outer edge of the lenses would be about 3 mm thicker than the inside edge and the upper edge of lens for the Right Eye would be a bit thicker than the lower edge and the Left Eye Lenses would be thicker on the bottom and slightly thinner on the top. All of these numbers are affected by the width and height of the lens and the Index of Refraction of the lens. The fact that your eyes are displaced slightly would likely not be noticeable to anyone but an ECP who is trained to notice that from a very close distance. However, it is likely that YOU would notice that you were not seeing double.

When you translate all these numbers back to horizontal or vertical displacement of the pupil. it is about 0.15 mm per prism diopter. For 4 prism diopters that would be 0.6 mm. If they are NOT an ECP and they get close enough to see that, they have something else in mind

What does it mean? Visual Comfort and getting on with the important things in your life. If you are concerned about what other people will think, don't be. Except for driving, you don't wear vision correction for other people's benefit.

BTW, it would probably be best to not mention our measurements to the ECPs. They have better tools and probably won't understand how what we did, works. However, you should mention your double vision problems so they will pay extra attention in that phase of the exam.


Rick 25 Jan 2016, 22:22

Cactus Jack

I read all your post on the prism thread of vision and spex, and I conducted the test, and I believe I did it correctly. I conducted the test 5 different times. The range of the results for the horizontal was from 13 to 16 and the range of the vertical was from 2.5 to 5.

1st. Horizontal- 13

Vertical- 2

2nd. Horizontal- 14

Vertical- about 2.5

3rd. Horizontal- 16

Vertical- 4

4th. Horizontal- 15

Vertical 5

5th. Horizontal- 16

Vertical- 4

I did averages of the results, and the Horizontal is 14.8 and the vertical is 3.5. So, what exactly does this mean glasses wise? Do I need glasses? What do you think the prescription would be? what does it mean?

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 16:52


Thanks, I look forward your results

Rick 25 Jan 2016, 16:41

Cactus Jack

I understand now, I have the materials needed, I will do this test later tonight, and will tell you whst results I get

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 16:14


Sorry to be slow responding, I've got a couple of business related balls in the air with now.

If we can get a pretty good number on the amount of displacement you are seeing, It will give us a clue as to how much Prism you may need in glasses, IF it was fully corrected. Typically, you do not fully correct with Prism. All you really need to do is use enough TOTAL prism to get the images close enough for the eye positioning system to take over and finish the job. Lets say that you measure 12 Prism Diopters of Displacement. It is very likely that you would be prescribed 6 Total Diopters of Base Out Prism with it split, 3 Base Out in each eye.

On the Vision and Spex site, go to the last thread listed Vision/ Special etc > Prisms > on the 2nd page there is an article entitled "Simple Prism Test" I posted Nov 16, 2013.


Rick 25 Jan 2016, 15:21

Okay, I get the numbering system thing, but am still confused on what I will be looking at it for. Can you give an example, I find they work best in explaining. I got to vision and spex, but where is what you want me to look for?

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 14:43


I found it if you want to read it. Do you know how to log on to the Vision & Spex website?

Cactus Jacl 25 Jan 2016, 14:34


The 5, 10, 15 diopter marks would be a 15 cm intervals because our calibration is 3 cm per diopter. I like to put a big mark every 5 diopters and number them. Usually the small 1 diopter marks are not worth individual numbers and the big marks help me count the small marks. The adding machine tape is just a very specialized ruler, marked in Prism Diopters, to be read from a distance of 10 feet.

I try to align the beginning of the markings "0" with the object or if not convenient I create a reference mark with a vertical arrow pointing at the "0".

You read the tape with both eyes open and you should be able to get a direct read of the separation of the two images in Prism Diopters.

I know it is not easy to get your mind around. Imaging what I went through the first time trying to figure out how to do it.

I think i posted the detailed instructions on the Vision and Spex site. Would you like for me to see if I can find it.?


Rick 25 Jan 2016, 14:08

You totally lost me with the arrow part. Anyways, how does this set up help calculate the amount of convergence?

Sorry for all the questions.

Rick 25 Jan 2016, 14:05

Cactus Jack

I understood everything until you said 5 diopters. Did you mean 5 cm? Also, what 0?

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 14:04

Did I loose you guys?


Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 13:49


We need to talk a little easy Trig and introduce the definition of a Prism Diopter as established by Sir Isaac Newton, of gravity fame. He defined 1 Prism Diopter as that amount of prism that will deflect a ray of light 1 cm at distance of 1 meter. If you think of a right triangle, with the eye at the apex, the Opposite Side (1 cm) divided by the Adjacent Side 1 meter or 100 cm) = a Tangent Function. All we have to do is use ratio and proportion to determine the effective displacement at 10 feet or about 3 meters. 1 Prism Diopter would displace a ray of light 3 cm or a little over an inch at a distance of 3 meters.

Now all that is necessary is to estimate the apparent displacement at 3 meters to get a pretty good idea of the amount of Esophoria you have.

One of the tricks I have used is to get a strip of adding machine tape and a Marker to make a strip calibrated in Prism Diopters for the distance from your eyes to the wall. In this instance, I would put a small mark every 3 cm and a big one every 5 diopters. I calibrate the tape on something that won't be damaged if the marker bleeds through. I then use easily removable tape and tape the strip to the wall very close to the target object and read the displacement of the images in diopters. Sometimes I make a short strip of tape with an Arrow and mount it vertically to point at 0 as a reference.

Does any of that make sense?


Rick 25 Jan 2016, 13:36

Cactus Jack

I am confused, how do I find out how much convergence there is? I was 10 feet away from the object I was looking at.

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 13:30


I am glad you corrected that. it is very important. If you see the image from the left eye on the left, that means that your eyes are trying to converge or turn inward. There are two medical terms for that, Esophoria and Esotropia. The difference is subtile and not important right now. "Eso" means that your eyes try to converge.

The next step is to try to figure out how much converges you have and my previous post applies.


Rick 25 Jan 2016, 13:25

Cactus Jack,

So, does this mean my eyes are converging (goin inwards)?

To answer the questions in yout last post I do have some knowledge of trig, and geometry. Also, in the previous test I was about 10 feet away from the object.

Hope my mistake does not mess up what you were planning on posting. I was typing that while talking on the phone with a manager in one of my shops.

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 13:22


I think you need some focusing help for close work, but may need only a little or possibly none for distance. That is why Benjamin Franklin invented Bifocals about 250 years ago. Of course there have been a few improvements since then.

However, we are not going to start there. We need to figure out why the readers didn't work of close up.

I am guessing that Over-the-Counter readers are available in South Africa as they are in most of the rest of the world. Unless they are familiar with optics and how the eyes work, most people initially choose Readers that are too strong. Readers are usually available in +1.00, +1.25, etc up to about +3.50 in +0.25 increments. Do you recall the + power of the readers you tried?


Rick 25 Jan 2016, 13:19

Cactus Jack

I am so sorry I misstyped in my last post. To clarify the image from my LEFT EYE is to the LEFT of the image Right EYE.

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 13:11


It sounds like your eyes may be trying to diverge or turn outward. If the image was on the left with your left eye, it would mean that your eyes are trying to converge or turn inward.

The next test is a little harder, but we can use it to get an estimate of how much your eyes are trying to turn outward. I am going to have to get a little technical here. Are you at all familiar with geometry and trigonometry? It is not absolutely essential, but I think it helps a little.

When you did the previous tests, how far was it from your eyes to the object you were using for the test. The more accurate the better, but we can start with a good guess


Jim 25 Jan 2016, 12:45

Cactus Jack

Retail Manager,south africa,yes frequently between close and distance,pc for six hours per day,yes on phone and tablet

What would you think the best prognosis be to correct this as readers don't seem any good.

Rick 25 Jan 2016, 12:29

Cactus Jack,

I did what you asked, and if I understood your question correctly the image in my left eye is to the right of the image in my right eye.

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 12:15


Welcome to the mysterious world of Presbyopia. It happens to almost everyone, eventually. The first thing you need to understand is that the idea that Presbyopia does not become a problem until you are 40 is a Myth. It can become a problem at almost any age, depending on your visual environment.

I would like to ask a few more questions, if I may. The answers will affect my suggestions.

1. What is your occupation?

2. Where do you live?

3. Do you need to switch frequently from distant to close and back to distant,

4. If you use a computer, do you use it for a long time?

5. Do you need to read small text on your Phone or Tablet and then switch to distance?

I may have a few more questions to help me understand your situation better.


Jim 25 Jan 2016, 11:41

Cacts Jack

Distant objects appear totally clear

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 11:26


Let me see if I understand your symptoms.

You are able to see distant objects and signs clearly, without any glasses.

However, if you shift your focus to something close, the close objects are blurry, even if they are at arms length. If you try very hard to focus, you get a headache.

Question: If you look at the distant object after your try to focus on the close object, is the distant object still clear?

Please tell me if I have the symptoms right or if I don't.


Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 11:06


I suspect that what you are seeing is mostly Horizontal and if that were corrected the vertical component would not be a problem. However, by combining Horizontal and Vertical prism you can correct almost any combination.

The next step is figuring out if your eyes are trying to turn inward (converge) or turn outward (diverge). This test uses the same technique as the prior test. Except it is in the form of a question.

When you are seeing two images, is the image you see with the Left Eye to the LEFT or RIGHT of the image you see with the Right Eye?


jim 25 Jan 2016, 11:04

Cactus Jack

Please could you help with a question because I am really not sure what causes this maybe you could give some advice.I am 36 year man, I have recently been noticing the following.when focusing on distant objects which are totally clearly viewed,once I shift focus to a computer or mobile phone or closer object it becomes totally blurred no matter if I move further or closer it remains the same.then takes great effort and a headache comes about.tried a paid of reading glasses in a pharmacy thinking this is presbyopia age related but they didn't help in any way.Would you have a suggestions on what this that is coming about..thanks again

Rick 25 Jan 2016, 08:48

Cactus Jack

Thabk you for your tine involved in helping me. It is truely appreciated.

I tried the test. At the beginning the image seemed to jump horizontally, but as I went on I noticed it was mostly horizontal, but there was some vertical movement too, but it was not as apparent. In conclusion I would have to say it moved diagonally.

What does this mean?

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 07:08

Oops, Slow response to my first "Submit"

Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 07:06


I have occasionally done multiple posts when the system is slow to respond and I am not sure I actually sent the post and click on the submit again.

I am pretty tied up today. Here is the first test.

1. Look at something across the room.

2. Hold your hand a few inches in front of your right eye so that you block the image.

3. Move your hand back and forth so that you alternately block the image for 2 or 3 seconds each.

4. Does the image seem to jump as you change eyes?

5. If so, does it jump horizontally, vertically, or diagonally? The jump may not be very much.

Let me know what you find.

The jump may be more obvious when you are tired and it may help if you close your eyes for 15 to 30 seconds before doing the test and starting the test as soon as you open your eyes, so your eye positioning system does not have time to try to fuse the images.


Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 07:06


I have occasionally done multiple posts when the system is slow to respond and I am not sure I actually sent the post and click on the submit again.

I am pretty tied up today. Here is the first test.

1. Look at something across the room.

2. Hold your hand a few inches in front of your right eye so that you block the image.

3. Move your hand back and forth so that you alternately block the image for 2 or 3 seconds each.

4. Does the image seem to jump as you change eyes?

5. If so, does it jump horizontally, vertically, or diagonally? The jump may not be very much.

Let me know what you find.

The jump may be more obvious when you are tired and it may help if you close your eyes for 15 to 30 seconds before doing the test and starting the test as soon as you open your eyes, so your eye positioning system does not have time to try to fuse the images.


Cactus Jack 25 Jan 2016, 07:06


I have occasionally done multiple posts when the system is slow to respond and I am not sure I actually sent the post and click on the submit again.

I am pretty tied up today. Here is the first test.

1. Look at something across the room.

2. Hold your hand a few inches in front of your right eye so that you block the image.

3. Move your hand back and forth so that you alternately block the image for 2 or 3 seconds each.

4. Does the image seem to jump as you change eyes?

5. If so, does it jump horizontally, vertically, or diagonally? The jump may not be very much.

Let me know what you find.

The jump may be more obvious when you are tired and it may help if you close your eyes for 15 to 30 seconds before doing the test and starting the test as soon as you open your eyes, so your eye positioning system does not have time to try to fuse the images.


Rick 25 Jan 2016, 00:11

Sorry about that last post posting multiple times. I have no idea how it happened, and it was not my intention.

Rick 25 Jan 2016, 00:09

Cactus Jack

Thabk you for the offer. I would really appreciate it if you shared your home test.

Rick 25 Jan 2016, 00:09

Cactus Jack

Thabk you for the offer. I would really appreciate it if you shared your home test.

Rick 25 Jan 2016, 00:09

Cactus Jack

Thabk you for the offer. I would really appreciate it if you shared your home test.

Rick 25 Jan 2016, 00:09

Cactus Jack

Thabk you for the offer. I would really appreciate it if you shared your home test.

Cactus Jack 24 Jan 2016, 21:42


No, the prisms would NOT affect your actual eye alignment, just a glasses do not fix your refractive error. Prism in your glasses just correct the misalignment optically. When I wear my glasses, my eyes are still slightly crossed, but the glasses do the work of fusing the images for me without any effort on my part.

You seem to be very concerned about this. I doubt if you need much prism because if you did, you would have had an exam for it, long before now. I think I can suggest some simple tests you can do to estimate the amount prism you might need. It would be a starting to get an idea of what to expect. Let me know if you are interested and If you would prefer to discuss this privately.


Rick 24 Jan 2016, 21:01

Cactus Jack

Thank you, for your response. I think I was too vague in my question. I know glasses would not fix a misalignment, what I meant is putting them on. Would wearing prisms align my eyes while I wear them? Or would it somehow fix the double vision without fixing the alignment? To answer your questions we live in America, and none of my kids have glasses yet. Other than the eldest this will be all of their first eye doctors appointment. My wife and I used to take our oldest to get his eyes checked when she would get hers, but then we just stopped.

Cactus Jack 24 Jan 2016, 19:50


Misalignment is generally NOT fixed by prism, they only help you fuse the images optically, but there are exceptions. The double vision is caused either by the Central Axes of vision from both eyes NOT being parallel for distance (IOW, converge at infinity) or they mis-converge (over or under) for close vision. All prism can do is bend the light rays a bit to get the images close enough that your Eye Positioning System can take over and fuse the images.

The big problem with eye misalignment is that there can be several different causes. There are 6 muscles attached to each eye. The 3 muscle pairs are arranged to move the eyes left and right, up and down, and obliquely. They function in opposing pairs because muscles can't push, they can only pull. When you move your eyes, one muscle pulls while the other relaxes and lets it pull. Muscle Imbalance occurs when one muscle in the pair is stronger than the other. As I mentioned earlier, there can also be problems with the Cranial Nerves that control the eye muscles or problems in the Eye Position Control System in the Brain. Diagnosing and repair problems in the last two is close to impossible and VERY risky. That only leaves doing something with the muscles, even if the actual problem is elsewhere. There are only 3 things that can be done with the muscles.

1. Vision Therapy which is an attempt to strengthen weak muscles through exercises.

2. Another way is Botox injections or other drugs to weaken the strong muscle, temporarily.

3. Muscle surgery such as relocating the attach point of the muscle on the eyeball (Recession) or altering the length of the muscle (Resection). but that does not always work, in a small percentage of the cases

I was talked into Muscle Recession several years ago, but I was warned that it might not work. The attach point of the Inside Muscle (Medial Rectus Muscle) on each eye was moved back 5 mm. It eliminated the need for prism for 3 months and then the double vision returned. In the over all scheme of things, it probably reduced the amount of prism I need today, My ECPs are trying to talk me into another Muscle Surgery. After all, it is only "Minor" Surgery. Ha! My definition of Minor Surgery is Surgery on somebody else.

While prisms don't really fix anything, they may be a decent solution and if you need a change, it does not involve sharp objects around the eyes.

We need to find out what the ECP discovers during your exam. If he/she recommends something. We should talk before you commit to anything.

One of the problems with prism is that it is rapidly booming a lost art. Years ago, when prism was the only available solution to Strabismus, ECPs were very skilled and prescribing Prism, making the lenses and fitting them. Today with early detection of Strabismus and early surgical intervention, the need for significant Prism in glasses is pretty rare and more people than you realize have a small amount of prism in their glasses, to make their vision more comfortable.

To change the subject slightly:

May I ask where you live?

I also want to say that you are really doing your children a favor with eye exams for everyone. This is one of those instances where you are trying to help your 7 year old get through a potentially traumatic ordeal and at the same time doing good for your children in ways that build family relationships and ultimately teamwork. They are at the ages where vision problems tend to develop and there is a strong genetic factor in their heritage. Vision problems can significantly affect learning ability, because a very high percentage of knowledge comes from what you see and read. Do any of your children need Vision Correction at this time?

By the way, if you have anything you would prefer to discuss privately, you may contact me at


Rick 24 Jan 2016, 16:28

Cactus Jack

Thank you for your condolences regarding my wife. Also, thank for getting back to me and your explanation. So there is a misalignment of some sort in my eyes that causes the double vision? Would the prism fix the misalignment and double vision? Or would it just fix the double vision and my eye will be misaligned behind the glasses?

Cactus Jack 24 Jan 2016, 15:46


My heart goes out to you about the loss of your wife. It must be very hard on you and your children. The whole burden of raising your children is now on your shoulders. Hopefully, the older children can help with the younger ones.

You need to mention that you have mild double vision when you are tired, before the actual exam. It sounds like you may have a bit of what is called Fatigue Strabismus (eye misalignment). it is more common than most people think, but unless it is a real functional impediment, it may not be worth correcting.

There are 4 basic types Esophoria where the eyes try to turn inward, Exophoria where the eyes try to turn outward, Hyperphoria where one eye tries to turn upward, and Hypophoria where one eye tries to turn downward. Fatigue Esophoria is the most common, followed by Fatigue Exophoria. Vertical misalignment is less common. Part of the exam, I think i mentioned it in How to Study, is to determine misalignment and its direction.

You haven't mentioned your occupation so I will try not to get too technical. From an engineering point of view, the amazing eye positioning system is what is called an Open Loop Servo system. An Open Loop System DOES NOT KNOW where the eyes are actually pointing. It commands movement and responds to the RESULTS of that movement by comparing the relationship of the two images. A Closed Loop Servo system, like is used on Computer Controlled Machines KNOWS EXACTLY where the tool is, often to a tiny fraction of a mm or an inch and commands motion in tiny increments for accurate positioning from the known position.

The body is actually full of Open Loop systems that use visual results to correct errors. Feelings and balance inputs play a general role for movement of the Arms, Legs and Fingers, but precision movements use visual inputs for accuracy.

It requires a surprising amount of energy and effort to keep images fused if there are misalignment problems. I can keep the images fused without my glasses, but generally not for long and I can tell that my eye position muscles are getting tired.

For example, if there is a muscle imbalance that causes your eyes to want to turn inward, because your inside muscles are stronger than your outside muscles, your Eye Positioning System can send signals to the outside muscles on your eyes to oppose the deviation inward. However, like any muscles, after a while, they get tired and the stronger inside muscles start pulling the eyes inward and the result is double vision.

There are some double vision problems that can be solved by simply correcting a underlying Refractive Error. This is particularly true with Hyperopia. There is an interconnection in the brain between the Focus Control System and the Eye Position System. When you focus close, your eyes have to converge or turn inward to keep you from seeing double. The interconnection allows the Eye Positioning System to know that you are trying to focus close and it will automatically cause your eyes to converge so the the Open Loop part can get a head start on keeping the images fused.

People with uncorrected Hyperopia have to use their Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses to see distance clearly, even though they may not be aware that they are doing it. The act of correcting their vision for distance causes the convergence signal to be sent and their eyes try to converge or cross when they should not. If you correct the Hyperopia, the problem goes away.

Incidentally, the actual misalignment is very hard to see by looking at the eyes. A Prism Diopter is defined as that amount of prism that will deflect a ray of light 1 cm at a distance of 1 meter. As a trigonometric function, the Angular deflection is 0.57 degrees. If you translate that back to the Pupil of the eye it is about 0.15 mm per diopter. Even with the 13 Prism Diopters Base Out, few people notice that I am slightly cross eyed. However, some notice the extra thickness of the outer edges of my glasses.

Enough of that. If you had asked me the time, I would have told you how to build a watch.


Rick 24 Jan 2016, 14:28

Cactus Jack

Thank you, for sharing. So prism correct double vision? I ask this because I never really knew that it is a real problem. In the past like two years I have always felt like I see double when I am tierd. I have never given it much thought because I thought it just has to do with being tierd. Is it likely that I need glasses for this? The last time I had my eyes checked was with my late wife, and it was just before Kylee was born, and a bit after I started to notice the double vision. I did bot mention it because I did not think of it as anything. The result was I did not need glasses. What I am getting at is do you think this is something to mention to the doctor next week? If I do need glasses for this, how is it that the appointment I had about 2 years ago did not catch anything?

Cactus Jack 24 Jan 2016, 07:46


It is not too personal, but my visual history and my vision issues are a bit hard to explain without being very long winded and boring.

My prescription is pretty low, after Cataract Surgery and installation of IOLs with one exception. It is:

OD Sphere -0.50, Cylinder -0.75, Axis 95, Prism 13 Base Out

OS Sphere +0.75, Cylinder -1.00, Axis 80, Prism 13 Base Out

Add +3.00 Trifocal with 50% Intermediate (IOW +1.50)

The exception is the Prism correction for the Adult Strabismus I developed in my 40s. The prism really complicates things. When I am tired, my eyes try to turn inward and I see double. Sometimes at very awkward times.

As I have said many times, I am NOT and Eye Care Professional. My background is Electronic Engineering and Computers. I am 78 and have been dealing with vision issues since I was about 10 when I inadvertently discovered that I could see very well with one eye, but the other eye was blurry. However, I didn't get glasses until I was 14.

In the Vision area, I would be called an Amateur, in the original French sense as one who studies a subject out of love of that subject and in my case, intense curiosity.

My fundamental nature is a Problem Solver and I want to KNOW why something works or does not work. I have been that way as long as I can remember. I also love to teach with an emphasis on UNDERSTANDING how something works. Almost all of my teaching experience has been in the industrial world, rather than the academic world. Over the years I have gained the reputation of being a pretty good explainer. Which often causes me to be long winded in an attempt to foster understanding, rather than just rote learning. If you understand how something works, you can solve almost any problem that occurs. If you just memorize and are able regurgitate the "correct" answer, you can only deal with that problem and everything else is a mystery.


Rick 23 Jan 2016, 21:58

Cactus Jack,

Okay, thank you for the information! If you do not mind me asking what are your vision issues? What is your glasses prescription? It's just I have read your posts on helping others, and it hot me curious. You do not have to answer if it is too personal.

Cactus Jack 23 Jan 2016, 21:36


Not necessary. There is a hand held Auto-Refractor that can be used for objectively checking the vision of a small child, or even an adult. All that is necessary is to attract the child's attention and get them to look at the picture inside the device, sort of like the old Stereopticons, and press a trigger. The device is very fast and does both eyes at the same time. It may only give a close approximation of the child's prescription, but it is so quick and non-threatening that several readings are easy to get and they can be averaged for a more accurate approximation. It is not like trying to look in the child's eyes with an ophthalmoscope which shines a bright light into the eye. Usually the picture is of a colorful balloon or some animal that will tend to hold the child's attention.

I saw one of these devices several years ago in the office of a Pediatric Ophthalmologist. They specialize in eye misalignment in children (and adults). It was used on me almost before I realized what the doctor's assistant was doing. Unfortunately, I did not get a chance to examine the device.

It is the Examiner's problem to estimate the prescription of your 22 month old. When you get right down to it, the exact prescription is not really important. What you want to find out is if there is any significant refractive error that needs immediate attention or just something to be aware of and monitor periodically. I doubt there is any serious problem. Most very young children are Hyperopic (farsighted), but they have the built in ability to compensate for it, without much effort. If the 22 month old was having trouble compensating for Hyperopia, the typical clue is a wandering eye or one or both eyes trying to turn inward. The really important thing to look for in children is Amblyopia where, if there is enough difference between the images from each eye, the brain will ignore or try to ignore that image. That may not be obvious, but it needs to be caught and treated at the earliest possible age. If treatment is delayed too long, the brain will permanently ignore the images from that eye and there is no known way to restore vision in that eye, even if the cause is corrected.

I think you will find the methods used by the Examiner for young children, very interesting. We look forward to hearing the details.


Rick 23 Jan 2016, 20:46

Cactus Jack

I have been reading through some of the yout old posts on this sit, and you seem like a guy who knows what he is talking about. I have a question, the doctor's office said that even Kylee should get her eyes checked. How does a doctor check a baby who foes not know her letters vision. Do I need to teach them to her and rescheduel?

Cactus Jack 23 Jan 2016, 19:40


At this point we don't know what your son's vision problem may be. Typically it is Myopia and the fact that his Mother had Myopia would point in that direction, but you can't be certain, without an exam.

Please let us know the results of the Eye Exams. Also, if he does need glasses, his response and hopefully acceptance of them. I am certain other parents in a similar situation would be interested in any problems and solutions.


Rick 23 Jan 2016, 17:25

Cactus Jack

I read you how to prepare for an eye exam posts. They were very helpful.


I just hope he will be happy with whatever the outcome is.

Rick 23 Jan 2016, 17:25

Cactus Jack

I read you how to prepare for an eye exam posts. They were very helpful.


I just hope he will be happy with whatever the outcome is.

Maurice  23 Jan 2016, 15:11

Rick, my guess is that all will be cool with your 7-year old if both you and he come home wearing glasses.

Rick 23 Jan 2016, 10:46

Cactus Jack

Thank you for your response and suggestion. I willdefinitely do what you suggested. As far as the rest of my kids. My oldest son is 12, then it is my my 7 year old (the one I was talking about), then it is my youngest son who is 5 years old, lastly it is my daughter who is 22 months.

Cactus Jack 23 Jan 2016, 10:07


Your son's reaction is pretty common. At 7, I suspect he is in what we would call, in the US, 2nd Grade. Very few 7 year olds wear glasses. He is probably concerned about being "different".

Almost every child thinks they have excellent vision because they have no way to compare the quality of what they "see" with really good vision. Also, he may think getting an eye exam is like going to a medical doctor where there is a risk of getting a shot, getting blood drawn, or experiencing other painful, traumatic procedures. Nothing could be farther from the truth about an eye exam. The only slightly uncomfortable part of a modern eye exam, is the puff of air used to measure internal eye pressure.

I think you have the right idea by scheduling exams for yourself and the other children. May I ask their ages?

You might just have a very casual private chat with your son, to find out his con concerns, but do not dismiss them. Tell him that you understand his concerns, but you think he is in for a very pleasant surprise, both about the exam and about wearing glasses, if he needs them.

If possible, you might get your exam first and ask if it it possible for your son can watch your exam if he promises to be very quiet and just pay attention to the exam. I suspect this will not be first time the examiner has dealt with an apprehensive child. Ideally, the examiner will take the time to explain the instruments.

I hope this helps. If you are interested, I will re-post the piece I wrote "How to Study for an Eye Exam". You might find something useful there.


Rick 23 Jan 2016, 00:00

I just got a letter saying he should get his eyes examined sent home. His teacher noticed him squinting a lot, so she sent home a leeter saying she is worried he may need glasses. When he found out he sounded devestated. He does not want to go to the eye doctor and insists he does not need glasses. He is 7 years old. His mother was nearsighted, and his aunt (her sister is too). I made him an appointment for next week on Friday. Is there anything I vould say or do to get him excited for this? Is ther anything we should say or do to prepare for the appointment? I got myself and the other kids appointments as well to not make hime feel alone.

Likelenses 21 Jan 2016, 02:08


That last post was from me.

l 21 Jan 2016, 02:04


This online company used to make special order thick flat front glasses.

Likelenses 21 Jan 2016, 01:59


You already have a pretty strong prescription,but it sounds as though you need more.Additionally it sounds as though you also now need bifocals.

As far as the flat front lenses,they are called plano base curve,and you could get them in your prescription,but it would cost extra. I am not sure if Zenni would make them up for you,but you could email them about it.

They are my favorites also.

Anna 19 Jan 2016, 14:17

I am 23 years old, I come from Asia. My parents were very poor so they could not afford to buy me glasses so I used to borrow my friends old glasses they helped a little About 6 months ago I meet a very nice boy who paid for me to get an eye test and bought me my own glasses R -5.75 L-4.00 I’m not sure if there were any other number .I now notice thing in the distance are not as sharp as when I first got my own glasses and when I read my cell phone I get double vision. Is this normal to need a new test so soon and would reading glasses help you think.

A co-worker of mine has glasses that look as if the front of the lens are very flat I like this look could I get that type of lens I don’t know what they are called. Also I have read here that lots of people order from zenni on line could I get this type of lens from them

Likelenses 16 Jan 2016, 22:07

new myope

You may enjoy reading my post to the New Glasses thread on 27 Dec, 2015 21:36

This lady's condition is similar to yours.Even with glasses on she reads very close,about 8 inches from her eyes.

Your comment about fluctuating astigmatism could be caused by slightly unbalanced muscles that control the focus of your internal lenses.I at one time knew a girl that had that condition,and her optometrist gave her a slightly stronger sphere and that solved the problem,and after a year the astigmatism disappeared,but the sphere increased another -1.00

new myope 16 Jan 2016, 11:29

Sorry, should have said the amount of cylinder required in the bad eye has steadily increased.

new myope 16 Jan 2016, 11:26

Thanks, Cactus Jack.

I'd assumed that my mld myopia was caused by the computer – I've reached a stage where my eyes focus uncorrected naturally at the distance of the screen. This has been progressive over a period of about six years but the Rx now seems pretty stable. It may be 'false' myopia but it certainly wouldn't be a good idea for me to drive at night without glasses – can't read even quite big road signs in bad light.

I'd be curious to see what the dilation showed, but I'm in the UK where it's not a routine part of exe exams and my eye doctor doesn't think it's necessary. She is excellent, by the way – happy to let me play with different angles until I get exactly the right result. She says there's no indication of cataract or problem with the retina – 'very healthy', she says.

The axis of my astigmatism in my 'bad' eye genuinely changes a bit from day to day – my eye doctor measured it a few days apart and said it had shifted a bit. It's always been like that. But the amount of sphere required in that eye has steadily increased.

I'm just hoping that I won't lost the spherical minus correction as I get older. Do you think that's likely, Jack? I certainly can't imagine any more away from the screen...

Cactus Jack 15 Jan 2016, 18:45

new myope,

I suspect that you have developed some Pseudo or False Myopia. False Myopia is a phenomenon that develops in your Auto-Focus mechanism in your eyes. It is actually the same thing as Latent Hyperopia but just on the other side of 0.00. It affects only your Sphere Correction. It is caused in older people by the Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline Lenses having difficulty fully relaxing after a lot of close focusing. Myopia of any type will help you focus close at the expense of your distance vision.

Myopia and something called 2nd sight can also be caused by some types of Cataracts, which also affects the Crystalline Lenses.

Astigmatism is usually caused by uneven curvature of the front surface of the Cornea. The Cornea has a lot of PLUS power and the uneven curvature causes it to have more PLUS power in one Axis and less PLUS in the Axis that is 90 degrees from the first Axis. The ideal Corneal shape is a section of a perfect Sphere, but stresses can cause it to assume the shape of a section from the side of an American Football.

Actual Astigmatism usually changes very slowly, but that part of the Eye Exam where Astigmatism is the MOST subjective part of the exam and it can change a lot because of the lack of skill on the patients part. What makes it hard is that when the Examiner is trying to determine the Axis of the Astigmatism, you will be asked to judge relative blurriness of two images as the Examiner Brackets the selected Asix. It is very hard to do. Judging relative shapes is much easier. I have published my technique for working with the Examiner to "fine tune" the Cylinder and Axis numbers.

Another thing that can affect your vision is poor Blood Glucose control (diabetes) because it can change the Index of Refraction of the Aqueous and Vitreous Humors in the eye. We don't think of them much, but they are part of the eye's lens system.

If you have not had one, you might want to consider a dilated eye exam. The dilating agent will do two things. Open up you Pupils which will allow a good examination of the condition of your Retina and temporarily paralyze your Ciliary (Focusing) Muscles. Modern Dilating agents are not aggressive or long lasting enough to fully relax your Ciliary Muscles, but it might give you a clue to the source of your myopia. I seriously doubt you have developed any significant Axial or True Myopia at your age.


new myope 15 Jan 2016, 17:51

I'm a newish myope and I'm middle-aged. One for Cactus Jack maybe.

In my 20s I had -0.75 astigmatism in one eye, maybe a tiny bit in the other eye but glasses didn't make any difference because my good eye was excellent.

Wasn't until my 40s, when I already needed reading glasses for close up, that O started work in an office where I was on screen all day long and I noticed that the distance could be a tiny bit blurry. I got glasses that were -.025 and -1 both cyl with no spherical but then the astigmatism crept up and and they added -.25 spherical.

So now at 53 I'm -0.5/-0.5 in my 'good eye' and -0.25/-1.75 in my bad one. And its been stable for a year or two though there's a bit of variation – sometimes my distance vision is a bit better or a bit worse.

I like the nearsightedness! I hope it will stay... and at the same time my need for reading glasses is less than people the same age as me. I have +1 readers for small print or late at night but often don't take them out of the house with me because I'm wearing distance specs that I have to take off to read anything at all.

Any thoughts? The eye doctor said I wasn't unique. I'm happy because I assumed by now I'd be completely dependent on +2 readers.

Weirdeyes 15 Jan 2016, 17:21


Some eye doctors just suck. When I was nine I went to get my eyes tested for the first time. I never remember seeing him use an autorefractor(the machine that guesses your prescription.) Since I didn't know what I was supposed to do I "tried my best" during the test and I ended up not needing glasses. Even though I noticed slightly blurry vision. When I was eleven I ended up getting my eyes tested again. It turned out I was farsighted and I had a huge difference between my eyes and needed glasses right away. I don't think my eyes changed that much over two years. Even if they did change it means that I was moderately farsighted.

Erica 15 Jan 2016, 15:20

Sorry Soundmanpt. I got glasses when i was 19 and yes my prescription changes every year. People always ask to try my glasses on when i get new ones. My friends that wear glasses just laugh but when people try them and don't need glasses they always make a comment how can you see in these. People with good vision don't understand what it's like to need glasses all the time. I can't believe people don't need glasses, if you go to the opticians for a test I'm sure they would tell you need glasses.

Erica 15 Jan 2016, 15:19

Sorry Soundmanpt. I got glasses when i was 19 and yes my prescription changes every year. People always ask to try my glasses on when i get new ones. My friends that wear glasses just laugh but when people try them and don't need glasses they always make a comment how can you see in these. People with good vision don't understand what it's like to need glasses all the time. I can't believe people don't need glasses, if you go to the opticians for a test I'm sure they would tell you need glasses.

Soundmanpt or Soundproof 09 Jan 2016, 13:45


I guess your being funny by now calling me "Soundproof"? I thought that "Soundmanpt" was already pretty funny? So have you managed to visit any of our others friends houses that wear glasses so you can maybe find and try on their glasses? Do you let your friends try on your glasses? I'm sure the ones that don't wear glasses or have weak prescriptions must complain about how strong your glasses are? Does that ever bother you? At what age did you get your first glasses and do you remember how you felt about getting glasses? Are you still getting small increases every year or has your vision become stable?

Ellen 03 Jan 2016, 15:37

Too right I can do whatever I want Guest1.

I intend 2016 to be a very good year!

Guest1 03 Jan 2016, 11:39

Hi Ellen,

You can do whatever you want !


By the way, my old g/f who was -19 and astig with biconcaves, tried special contacts too after she got her masters - when she traveled as an international guide and then again for a short while after she divorced her first husband. She then went back to glasses. Very comfortably too. As she got older, had some retina/macula issues and didn't want to bother her stretched eyes with contacts.

Sooooo, its your choice.

Happy New Year

Erica 03 Jan 2016, 10:41

Soundpoint, I was at my friends house yesterday and i seen she had -6.00 contacts on the side. there was a pair of glasses on the side and i tried them on I couldn't see in them i could the lenses were different. I though hoe can she see in these but they were her mums glasses. talking to her mum and she had -6.00 -2.00. It must be strange if you can see in one eye still? Think is better to have same prescription in each eye even if I can't see at all?

Likelenses 03 Jan 2016, 04:23


Ha,I got a kick out of your comments regarding " coming out",and mortal sins here.Your humor is charming!

Anyhow it is nice that you now have options other than your spex,for social occasions,and such.

Happy New Year.

Ellen 03 Jan 2016, 02:29

I should have known not to "come out" as a contact wearer. It's a mortal sin on here, second only to admitting to laser surgery. Have no fear however, I shall still be wearing my glasses a lot of the time. I never had any intention of becoming an American-style 24/7 contact lens wearer. I'm used to glasses, I quite like wearing them in most instances and even see them as part of my identity in a strange way. Glasses are still the first thing I grab in the morning before venturing out of bed and more often than not they stay on my face all day. As I said, I need reading glasses with the contacts and so for the most part I will be using my glasses for work. Contacts are great for physical activity and for some social engagements though.

Likelenses 03 Jan 2016, 00:40


I am glad that the contacts are working well for you,but does this mean that the world is losing a great GWG?

Oscar 02 Jan 2016, 11:33

Good luck with the contacts, Ellen. It very good to hear that they're going well so far.

I was actually watching Come Dine With Me when I saw your post - Shoba seems a very clever and attractive woman and her strong glasses are a definite enhancement! So it's back to the final episode to watch some more of her :)

Ellen 02 Jan 2016, 10:38

Well for anyone interested I did get contact lenses. I had to get custom made soft lenses which allow the base curve, diameter and cyl and to be finely tuned. They're about £100 per lens but I'm very happy with them, they're comfortable and give me very good vision. There are a few side effects I wasn't expecting. First I seem to need reading glasses when I'm wearing them. I think decades behind thick myopic lenses have made my ciliary muscles lazy and I have essentially been staring at infinity for years and using minute adjustments of my glasses for near and far vision. Secondly, everything looks huge. I found it very hard to adjust at first and kept missing things like door handles as I thought the door was closer than it actually was. Thirdly I spend all day pushing phantom glasses up my nose. I must have been doing this hundreds of times a day and it's hard wired into my brain.

I went to a party in contacts over the Christmas period and got quite a few (mostly positive) reactions, ranging from "hi Ellen I didn't recognise you at first but I'd know that cleavage anywhere", through "I assume you got contacts or LASIK or you would be covered in bruises from bumping into things" to "you look lovely" so I'm happy I finally decided to try them again.

Oh and as I type this, for those of you in the UK, if you tune into "Come Dine With Me" on E4 there's an Indian lady contestant with very strong glasses, probably at least as strong as mine.

Guido 31 Dec 2015, 17:09

Thanks for the input.

specs4ever 31 Dec 2015, 09:16

Guido, I think you are right on with your idea for your right eye. For your left eye I would suggest lowering the distance prescription by about a diopter. Keep the astigmatism the same.

I am sure some of the others will give you some input as well, but that is just my suggestion. Trifocals would take 50% of the reading vision for the mid point, but in your case the eye doctor would likely increase your add to +2.50 and then your mid point would become +1.25. However I don't think you want to rush into any stronger reading add than you really need.

Guido 31 Dec 2015, 08:44

Probably a Cactus Jack question. Current Prescription, OD -4.75,-0.75 31, Add 2.25; OS -4.75, -1.00, 48, Add 2.25. PD 66, Date of script 22Oct2015. I work for a CPA during the tax season commencing Jan. 15. I went to the optometric office that did my refraction to see if the optician could do what I wanted. He said not without seeing the Dr. Time prohibits. What I would like to do is to have a mono-vision pair of glasses to be able to read source documents close up, and then enter said info into a computer program. As my right eye is dominant, I would guess that something close to a single vision reading script would be appropriate to my right eye i.e. -2.50, -0.75, 31. What would seem to be an appropriate script for my left eye at arms length? Is an adjustment of the PD indicated? I had a pair of specs that I used like this in the past, but the script became so outdated that they have become pretty unusable. If someone knowledgeable about such things could give me some guidance, I could do one of the mail order glasses places on the cheap. I understand the inherent risk, and am willing to absorb. has some pretty cheap frame choices. If further information is required, please ask, as I pretty much check the board regularly

Steven 31 Dec 2015, 04:33

Yes I am liking the clarity I can see now with them, and yes lights are much clearer with them in especially at night but also during the day.

I am off to watch football again this Saturday with friends and am driving as it's an away game. This will mean I will need my glasses especially when it gets dark, as my vision is so much clearer. I guess the best way is to turn up with them in when I pick them up, then I can also wear them gwen watching football if I need to.

Dave 30 Dec 2015, 10:30

Hi Steven -- Well, it looks like you appreciate the extra clarity of your new low minus glasses. I have a nearly identical prescription and am not a full time wearer. That said, I do enjoy them for nighttime driving and sometimes for television viewing when I am sitting quite a distance from the screen. I also like to be able to read the pedestrian countdown lights sooner when I'm driving at night. I see a lot of young people wearing glasses with very low minus prescriptions and sometimes attribute it to their desire to be fashionable. Wear your glasses whenever you want to. It's up to you -- at least at this point, although I doubt you will ever have any significant increases. Let us know how you are getting on and Happy New Year!

Crystal Veil 30 Dec 2015, 07:38


it can be worse. My prescription is L +2.75 / R: 0; c-1.50. This difference is when opticians start advising contact lenses but I always kept at wearing glasses.

EyeTri 30 Dec 2015, 07:10


My youngest sister has glasses that are about -1.0 for her right eye and about +1.50 for the left. She told me that when she orders glasses via the internet they always call her to make sure that she didin't make a mistake filling in the order.

Melyssa 30 Dec 2015, 05:52


My prescription is exactly twice the strength of yours, at -9.00 in both eyes, but I have that major mess of astigmatism (+3.00). Before my vision stabilized at age 36, I always had a difference in diopters between my beautiful baby browns of up to 1.00. My very first RX at age 8 was -1.75/-1.50. My mother had a big difference in her RX.

Soundmanpt 29 Dec 2015, 17:35


So you kind of messed up my name a bit? Soundproof? Really? Anyway at -4.50 in the optical world your considered to be "moderately myopic" I would think you should come across others with a similar prescription as you. In fact your friend that let you try her glasses on isn't all that much different. At least one eye anyway. If you would have held your hand over the lens in her glasses that has the -2.50 lens and looked only through her -4.00 lens you should have been able to see nearly perfect with her glasses. Just a tiny bit weaker than your own glasses. So since you didn't know that it is not only possible but really very common to have different prescriptions for each eye I assume that you have somehow always had the same prescription for both of your eyes whenever you needed new glasses? Actually that is kind of rare. Usually you might have the same prescription for both eyes for a while but then need a slightly stronger lens for one eye or the other from then on. So if you were trying her glasses on I assume she was trying your glasses on as well? Now in her case i'm sure she found that her -2.50 eye couldn't focus very well with your glasses but in her case if she were to hold her hand over her -2.50 eye and only use her -4.00 eye looking through your -4.50 lens she would have really liked that because she would have been seeing even better than she can with her own glasses. she has what is called "unbalanced" eyes meaning that the difference between her eyes is -1.50. With her glasses she is able to see perfectly well just like you with your glasses on. But when she takes her glasses off the blur is much more noticeable to her in her -4.00 than her -2.50 eye. The longer she has her glasses off the more her brain will start to ignore her -4.00 eye if she is looking at something a short distance away. Of course when you take your glasses off the blur is very equal for you. Your not able to see much but what your able to see you see the same way. If you happen across someone that has just a little stronger glasses than yours and you try them on I bet you will really enjoy that. The eyes naturally like some over correction so if you were to try on glasses that were -5.25 in both eyes everything would look very intense and super clear and sharp. Yes your right anytime you try on someone's glasses that have astigmatism correction your not going to like them very much because like you say they only mess things up if you don't have astigmatisms.

Erica 29 Dec 2015, 15:15

Soundproof, Im shortsighted -4.50 in both eyes and have to wear my glasses all the time. I thought I would be able to see with her glasses but didn't know you can have one eye different prescription. Is it better to have the same prescription eyes or dosnt it matter so what you need glasses anyway? Yes it is intresting when you try other people's glasses on I know my eyes are bad but some are a real mess when they also have astigmatism, am I lucky just to be shortsighted -4.50?

Cactus Jack 29 Dec 2015, 09:11


I still think you need to just get the commentary over with. One of the best ways to deal with that is to poke fun at yourself if you can. Being able to publicly laugh at yourself can effectively take all the fun out of making you the butt of a joke. A little joke on yourself is also a good ice breaker for public speaking.

A pitch is pretty big and I doubt you can recognize a specific player on your team if they are more than 10 to 15 meters away. Of course you can probably identify them as a member of your team by the color of their shirt.

I don't know if this would work, but you might try showing up wearing your glasses and going up to the person most likely to make some snide comment and say something like "So that is what you guys really look like. Without these, I probably could not have recognized you across the street."

Actually, you probably should NOT wear regular glasses. playing football (soccer) because of the risk of damage or getting them knocked off and broken. You have managed to play without vision correction and you should be able to continue. If you find you need to see better, Contacts are a possibility and Sports glasses are also a possibility. I would have to believe that there are other football players who need vision correction, you need to ask around.

Another thought to consider. You don't wear vision correction for the benefit or with the approval of others (except for driving). You wear vision correction for YOUR benefit. You don't need anyone's permission to see well and wearing glasses or not wearing glasses is your choice. Glasses are just tools to help you see better. You can drive a nail with your hand, but it is a lot more comfortable and less body to use a hammer.

I wish you the best. Please let us know how you are doing.


Steven 29 Dec 2015, 05:15

I think it was because I had no choice really with my family, and as they all have glasses it wasn't so bad. Most of my friends don't need glasses so sure they will joke about them more, and I can still get by without them!

I play football so do need to see distances of the pitch so should be okay, I guess if I'm struggling contacts would be the option for just playing sport!

Cactus Jack 28 Dec 2015, 18:11


With your prescription, your vision starts to get fuzzy beyond 1 meter. Do you think that would be a factor in your preferred sport?

I don't think I have asked if you have any Astigmatism as evidenced by Cylinder and Axis in your prescription. Astigmatism can mess up your vision at all distances and make even mild myopia, worse.


Cactus Jack 28 Dec 2015, 17:56


I am disappointed. You are over the biggest hump with your relatives. I would almost be willing to bet that your friends know you need glasses and will be relieved to know that you finally got them. Try wearing your glasses at lunch with a friend, preferably one who wears glasses, an observe his/her reaction. I'll bet they will think it is no big deal. You are still Steven, who just happens to wear glasses now, thank goodness, it is about time.

I am always amazed that New Glasses wearers think that no one noticed their vision problems. You telegraph the symptoms constantly when you strain to read scoreboards, menu boards, and White boards. If any of your friends have vision correction, they will spot the symptoms in a flash..

Wearing vision correction for sports depends on the game. Some people wear contact lenses or sports glasses or just go without.

If you are a Lineman playing American football, you could probably would not need glasses to see that hulk opposing you. If you are a Quarterback or Receiver, you need to be able to see your target and the ball from some distance away.

If you play Basketball. you need to be able to see the basket from a long way away.

If you play Soccer, it helps to see the ball from a distance, but if you are the Goalie the ball is coming at you. I have a young friend who was born without lenses in his eyes and is severely cross eyed. His corrected vision is 20/60 and 20/100. He wears very high PLUS glasses and cannot fuse the two images even with prism correction in his sports glasses. He uses the left eye to see to the right and the right eye to see to the left. He can see the ball coming at him and he WILL NOT let it get into the net, period. His attitude makes up for his poor vision. He also has a teammate who is cross eyed, but has 20/20 vision. He is a deadly shot and he can put the ball exactly where he wants it. The opposing teams hate to play them because they cannot read what they are going to do by watching their eyes.

Some people wear contact lenses for sports or just go without

What sports do you like to play?


Steven 28 Dec 2015, 15:04

I have been wearing my glasses still, but did chicken out of wearing them in front of my friends. I went to watch a football match and could see it ok without, but did have trouble seeing the scoreboard on the other side of the ground. I didn't have my glasses with me as was still bit nervous to wear them with my friends and the jokes that I'm sure would be made!

I am finding that my eyes are now feeling less strained after wearing them and not as tired at night, I assume this is my eyes being more relaxed with wearing them?

I was also wondering what sort of prescription people would start to need glasses or lenses playing sport?

Soundmanpt 28 Dec 2015, 10:27


Based on your comments it seems like you must have the exact same prescription in both eyes? Like you notice for your friends glasses many people need a different prescription for each eye to correct their vision. Now it is also possible that when you need new glasses that you may need a different prescription for each of your eyes as well. I looked back trying to find where you posted your own prescription but wasn't able to find it. I was curious how close your friend's -2.50 / -4.00 is to your prescription? If your glasses are weaker than -2.50 than her -4.00 lenses was probably much too strong for you. But if closer to her -4.00 lens then her -2.50 lens was too weak for you. But it is always interesting trying on someone elses glasses and comparing them to your own. Your right that someone that only has a prescription for one eye and the other eye is still perfect can either wear glasses with correction only being in the one eye and the other a plano lens. Of course only needing correction in one eye would save on the price of contacts since only one would be needed.

Erica 27 Dec 2015, 14:42

I'm shortsighted in both eyes so is blurry when not wearing glasses. I know some one that's shortsighted but has different power lenses she said her good eye she can make things outs when closes her bad eye but when both eyes open can't see. She was with -2.50 -4.00 i tried her glasses on it felt strange. I seen people wearing glasses to corect just one eye but is better to wear 1 contact lens is this common?

Cactus Jack 27 Dec 2015, 08:34


Typically the Subjective part of the exam starts with the Right Eye shutter open and the Left Eye shutter closed.

Step 1 is typically determining the cylinder and axis of any Astigmatism correction you need. This is actually the hardest part of the exam because you will be asked to judge relative blurriness of two images rather than the sharpness of an image.

You will be shown a line of text and a supplemental lens will be rotated into place. This lens is a cylinder lens that is mounted on a 45 degree pivot and can be flopped back an forth to bracket a trial axis or orientation of the long axis of the cylinder lens. The thing that is confusing about this test is that the straight lines (strokes) of the letters will alternate in clarity as the lens is flipped back and forth depending on their direction. I suggest concentrating on an “O” if possible. Depending on your answers, the examiner will adjust the axis knob unit the image you see is equally blurry with the supplemental lens 45 degrees each side of the selected axis.

At this point the Examiner will probably swing the supplemental lens out of the way and may change the cylinder power while asking you which lens in clearer.

You may be uncomfortable, for your first exam, asking the Examiner to let you fine tune the axis, but I have found that most will appreciate your wanting to actively participate. The way that works is that he will place your hand on the Axis control knob and you move it back and forth a few degrees of the sharpest image, this time.

The next step is determining the Sphere correction. This is an easy part of the exam because all you have to do is pick the sharpest image, but there is a tricky part. Your auto-focus mechanism will try to help, if it gets a chance. The Examiner has a couple of ways to minimize the action of your ciliary muscles and crystalline lenses.

The Examiner can in effect sneak up on your Sphere prescription or he can use drops to Dilate your eyes. Lets talk about sneaking up on your prescription first. There are actually 4 lenses in your eye’s lens system. All of them are PLUS lenses and the total power is about +56 diopters. The only variable focus lens is the crystalline lens whose PLUS power is controlled by your ciliary muscles. For distance, your Crystalline lens is fully relaxed and has somewhere around +15 diopters. When you focus to read, your Ciliary Muscles squeeze the Crystalline lens to increase its PLUS power by the amount necessary to focus which depends on the distance to the object.

This will take a little thought to get your mind around, but if you are nearsighted, your lens system has too much PLUS for the distance from the lens system to your retina and you need MINUS lenses to neutralize some of that excess PLUS power. You ONLY have the ability to increase the PLUS power of your lens system. You have NO ability to reduce the PLUS power of your Crystalline lenses more that fully relaxed.

To try to keep your Ciliary Muscles and Crystalline lenses from getting in the act, the examiner will start with NOT ENOUGH MINUS or TOO MUCH PLUS (same thing) and gradually increase the MINUS one or two steps at a time, while reducing the size of the line you are asked to read. He will not tell you what power lens or what line you are looking at. Eventually, he will reach the 20/20 line and a lens power that lets you read it with no mistakes.

He will then follow the same procedure with your Left Eye.

When he has completed both eyes, he will open the shutters and you may see two images. This part of the test is to check your muscle balance using some prisms. He will probably ask you to tell him when the two images are aligned horizontally and then vertically. While the images are separated, you have an important check to make. Compare the sharpness of the two images. If they are not equally sharp, be sure and tell the Examiner which image is clearer. If there is a difference, he will likely reduce the sharpness of the clearest image until they match. The important thing at this point is that they match. That lack of sharpness will be corrected in the next phase with both eyes working together.

Next he will fuse the images so both eyes are working together and repeat the Sphere procedure by gradually increasing the MINUS or decreasing the PLUS until you see the smallest line of letters very clearly.

That pretty much completes the exam except for checking your near vision with a small chart about 14 to 16 inches from you.

Cactus Jack 27 Dec 2015, 08:30


An eye exam is not like an exam that you might take in school and there is really no way to study for it. However, you can prepare for it and learn about your role in the exam. The best eye exams are a team effort between you and the Examiner. Part of the preparation is to learn what to expect, particularly if this is your first eye exam.

One important thing you need to keep in mind is that the Examiner has no way to experience what you are seeing. He/she has to depend on your answers to questions.

There are two parts to an eye exam. The first part is the Objective part. This part consists of:

1. Taking a Visual History where you describe your vision and the kinds of problems you are having.

2. Checking the internal pressure in your eyes for symptoms of Glaucoma. This is one of the very few parts of an eye exam that is even mildly uncomfortable and the discomfort only lasts for a few seconds. There are two basic ways to do the pressure test.

A. Using a special instrument to lightly touch your Cornea. Not to worry here. Before doing this type of test a drop of mild anesthetic will make sure you don’t even feel it.

B. There is a new type instrument that uses a puff of air directed against your cornea. No anesthetic is required, but the puff will startle you. The puff of air is harmless and there are huge benefits of detecting Glaucoma early before it can do damage.

3. Obtaining a preliminary estimate of your refractive error using an Auto-Refractor, or manually by using a small hand held instrument called an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope.

The Auto-Refractor is a relatively new instrument that was developed in conjunction with NASA to check Astronauts vision in space. You look into the machine with each eye individually at a scene or a pattern and the machine will adjust its internal lenses to focus the image you see on your retina. The Auto-Refractor only takes a few seconds for each eye and it then prints out your estimated prescription.

Some Examiners prefer to use manual methods that have been used for many years. Using an Ophthalmoscope or Retinoscope and a Trial Lens set or a Phoropter (a fancy machine with a built in lens set), the Examiner will look into your eyes and select the lenses that allow him to see your retina, most clearly.

The object of this part of the exam is to get a starting place for the Subjective part of the exam where you have to describe what you see.

To be continued

antonio 27 Dec 2015, 04:16


it depends on the difference between your both eyes

and how much it is, normally it is worth,

although the difference is very small,

what´s it in your case ?

best regards,


Erica 27 Dec 2015, 04:02

I know what's it like being shortsighted I have a prescription. Is it worse to have different prescription each eye?

Cactus Jack 27 Dec 2015, 00:06


Congratulations, you are over the toughest hurdle. Now all you have to do is let your brain get used to working with high quality images while you enjoy seeing well. I think you will discover that being able to see clearly without effort is worth it.

Welcome to the world of good vision. Let us know if we can answer any more questions.


Steven 26 Dec 2015, 11:03

Yes cactus jack that makes sense.

I ended up wearing my glasses more than I had planned to over Christmas with the family. I hadn't told them about them so wasn't planning on wearing them, as I was still getting used to them myself. My parents have a fairly small television which I had never had any issues with before, but I noticed this time I was struggling a bit to see words on on on credits and things. I think my mum noticed this so I had to say I had recently got glasses so I ended up putting them on and wearing most of the day. My brothers and sisters obviously made some jokes, but not too many as I was the last person in the family to need glasses. I guess now having my fily know and seen me in them I should be more confident in wearing them.

cactus Jack 24 Dec 2015, 17:40


Yes. Check item 2 or my post on 22 Dec. Vision occurs in the brain and it is used to correcting the blurry images from your eyes, without glasses. With your glasses the correction process was not necessary and your brain stopped doing it for the time you were wearing your glasses. When you took off your glasses, you got a glimpse of what your brain has been working with. It did not take long for the old "image processing program" in your brain to go back to work correcting your vision.

Remember though, your brain can only correct things that it knows. It cannot correct new images with unfamiliar content. Your glasses can correct everything with no additional effort on your part.


Steven 24 Dec 2015, 10:55

Hi I got my glasses yesterday and wore them today as I was going on a long drive. They defiantly made things clearer and my eyes felt more relaxed and less strained with them on. I did notice that when I took them off things appeared more blurry than before without them, but this cleared up after a few minutes. Is this normal?

Cactus Jack 22 Dec 2015, 10:36


It is common to be apprehensive about wearing glasses in public or among family and friends. I suggested wearing them full time for 2 weeks, before deciding when to wear them for 3 reasons.

1. The best way to get over the apprehension is to "bite the bullet" and wear them. There will be maybe two days when you will have some comments, but it is really no different that getting a hair cut or a new hair style. You just have to discover that wearing glasses makes no real difference. Often, people who know you are relieved that you finally got glasses. Other people really do notice that you are having difficulty seeing even mildly distant things such as Menu Boards, Faces, or small signs, clearly.

2. Vision actually occurs in the brain, your eyes are merely biological cameras. Your brain is used to correcting the blurred images (if it knows what something is supposed to look like). Wearing glasses will relieve your brain of that extra work, but it will take a few days for your brain to become accustomed to working with high quality images. Many people believe that wearing glasses has made their vision worse, but that is not actually true. What has happened is that your brain has reprogrammed itself and is no longer trying to correct the blurry images of objects beyond about 1.5 meters or about 5 feet.

3. Because having low myopia is like having built in reading glasses, it is very tempting to not wear your glasses for close work, but that is a two edged sword.

It is likely that at 30, two things are occurring. Presbyopia is creeping up on you and by not wearing glasses, your Ciliary Muscles (focusing muscles) are getting out of condition and becoming weaker. Wearing your glasses for closer work may initially seem uncomfortable until your Ciliary Muscles get stronger, but not wearing your glasses may effectively speed the need for needing focusing help for closer work.

In the final analysis it is up to you when you wear your glasses. The only exception is those situations where you need really good distance vision, such as driving.

I hope this has been more helpful than confusing.


antonio 20 Dec 2015, 08:19

Hi Steven,

If they are only for far, that means you haven't any astigmatism, good idea to take them off for long computer work and extensive book reading, if you feel comfortable doing that without

Best regards , antonio

Steven 20 Dec 2015, 00:08

Hi thanks for the replies. I am a bit apprehensive about going out in public wearing glasses, I did go on Saturday and found a pair I think I suited so just have to wait for these to be ready.

When you say wear them fulltime to get used to them, does this mean also while on the computer at work? Will this not affect my sight more as I was told they were for distance?

Cactus Jack 18 Dec 2015, 21:30

Astigmaphile and Steven,

Yes, I thought I typed Macrae's Story. In fact, I am pretty sure I typed Macrae's Story. I am not immune to typos that have one or two wrong letters or maybe two letters in a word reversed in order, but not that much. The only culprit I can thing of is an errant spell checker.

Thanks for allowing me to clarify the name of the story.


astigmaphile 18 Dec 2015, 19:29

Cactus Jack,

Did you mean Macrae's story, or am I mistaken?

cactus Jack 18 Dec 2015, 18:59


Maybe I can help with the meaning of your prescription and that will help you decide if you want to get glasses or when to wear them. This may get a little technical so bear with me.

Glasses or Contacts correct for refractive errors. The glasses prescription is the opposite of the refractive error. In your case, the prescription of -0.75 in one eye and -1.00 in the other means that your refractive error is +0.75 in one eye and +1.00 in the other. If you wear glasses or contacts your refractive error is 0.00.

In some respects being a little Myopic or short sighted it is like having built in weak reading glasses.

The formulas for optics were codified a bit over 300 years ago by Sir Isaac Newton. In practical terms, without correction everything you see with the -0.75 eye that is beyond 1.3 meters or about 52 inches is increasingly blurry. Everything you see with the -1.00 eye starts getting fuzzy beyond 1 meter or 39.37 inches.

I think you would benefit from wearing glasses, particularly at night, but as has been said by others, the choice is pretty much yours.

Have you decided to order glasses?

If you have or have not, we can help you order inexpensive, high quality glasses online.

If you decide to get glasses, I would suggest that you plan on wearing them full time for 10 days to 2 weeks and then decide when to wear them. You will be apprehensive about wearing them for about 2 or 3 days until everyone gets used to your wearing glasses and that will be the end of that.

If you want to read a very funny series of posts about the experiences of one of our members, please check out

Fantasy and True Stories

Marcie's Story

Please feel free to ask if you have any questions. Welcome to the club!


Soundmanpt 18 Dec 2015, 15:55


With your optometrist telling you that "you should wear them for driving especially at night" she is saying that you likely can't pass the vision test for driving now without glasses. Even though your driver's license won't show a restriction the fact that you have been told to wear your glasses or driving still means that you need to be wearing them day and night for driving. If you were to get involved in any kind of accident where an injury may occure and they found out that you prescribed glasses and weren't wearing after being told that you needed to wear them it could be a very serious problem for you. I think once you get your glasses you should notice that your eyesight is better with with your glasses anyway. I'm not sure if where you live if you have to renew your driver's license every few years or not, but if you do I your most likely not going to be able to pass the vision test and then it will be on your license at that time.

Dave 18 Dec 2015, 13:17

Hi Steven:

You have a very mild prescription and probably could pass a California vision test required for a driver's license. That said, you will notice a bit of extra clarity during the day and more at night when your myopia becomes a bit more acute. I'd use them for driving at night or whenever you feel a need. There are no rules. Your work has probably created this minor myopia. You might want to take regular eye breaks from your computer and look into the distance which may prevent your eyesight from worsening. Let us know your response to your new glasses.

Steven 18 Dec 2015, 12:01

I had my eye exam this lunchtime, and I was told I would benefit from a pair of glasses. The optician gave me a prescription on -0.75 and -1.00. She said that should wear them when driving especially at night.

Should I be wearing when driving in day time, and also when else should I wear them?

Steven 15 Dec 2015, 08:24

Hi Cactus Jack,

Thanks for your comments. I have booked in for an eyetest for this Friday lunchtime. I thought it would be best to get my vision checked and see what correction I may need.

Melyssa 15 Dec 2015, 05:44

Getting back to the "Blue Light Special" with Christmas lights, I noticed something interesting over the weekend. When blue lights are the only color, such as on an entire house or an evergreen tree, they are a lighter shade and easy to see. But the regular blue lights that are mixed in with the green, red, and orange ones seem small in comparison to the other colors, with red and orange looking the biggest.

One exception was the menorah with eight long blue-and-white lights plus a small white night light on top -- those were very easy to see Sunday evening through my tortoise shell drop-temples -- as the menorah was on my kitchen windowsill. :)

Cactus Jack 14 Dec 2015, 18:25


The fact that you recognize that you are having vision issues is important. At the very least, you need to find out what is going on. The odds are that it is simply a mild refraction problem that is easily corrected with glasses.

After thinking about the symptoms you described, it is very likely that you have some mild Myopia or shortsightedness and possibly a bit of Astigmatism. The only way to tell much about any refractive error you have, is by getting an eye exam.

If you are like most adults who have made it this far without glasses, you are a bit apprehensive about wearing them. A few things to remember.

1, Glasses are simply tools to help you see better, comfortably and effortlessly.

2. People typically do not notice the lenses themselves, only the frames.

3. Carefully chosen frames can enhance your appearance.

4. You do not wear glasses for the benefit of others unless your vision is such that you cannot legally drive without your glasses.

5. People you know may comment about your glasses and want to try them. That will only last a day or two. After that, they may comment if you don't wear them.

If you decide that you would like to get an eye exam, let me know. We can chat some more and I have a few tips that you might find interesting.


Steven 14 Dec 2015, 13:07

I live in England.

I actually tried on a colleagues glasses at work, which she had recently got for driving and distance. I could tell a difference with them things looked sharper and colours a bit brighter. I guess this means I will be fit from getting my eyes checked.

I'm not sure how I feel about needing glasses as haven't had to think about needing them till now, I not sure if I will suit then or not.

Cactus Jack 14 Dec 2015, 11:22


I forgot to ask you where you live. The answer could affect my suggestions.

I suspect that you need some vision correction. Particularly at night.

If it turns out that glasses would be helpful, what do you think about wearing them?


Steven 14 Dec 2015, 00:26

Hi I'm 30 and work in an office, so spending of the day on a computer.

Cactus Jack 13 Dec 2015, 16:51


You really did not offer enough information to offer any suggestions. Information that would be helpful include:

Your age?

Your occupation?

I suspect you are viewing the Christmas lights in low ambient lighting conditions, such as after dark. Many vision issues become noticeable in low light that are not a problem in bright ambient light. The reason for this phenomenon is that in low light conditions your pupils open up to let in more light - think of the iris on a professional camera. When the iris or pupil is wide open, the depth of field or range of useful focus distance gets narrow. In bright light, your pupils contract which increases the range of useful focus.

I suspect you have developed some mild vision problems and should probably schedule an Eye Exam. Be sure and tell the examiner what you are experiencing. If you want to do a simple test, try looking at the Christmas lights through one of the holes in a button with each eye individually. If the lights are sharper looking through the button hole, it is likely that you have a correctable vision problem.

Please let us know what you decide to do and the results.


Steven  13 Dec 2015, 10:15

Hi I'm a new poster here. I don't wear glasses or thought I had any vision problems until the last couple of weeks. I have noticed that with Christmas lights seem to be blurry and I don't really seem to see them as individual lights. Is this normal or could it be a sign I may need glasses, as a part from that I haven't noticed any problem with my vision. I last had my eyes tested about 2 years ago and had no issues.

Likelenses 05 Dec 2015, 18:30

I have never seen so many high myopic cases discussed as here.

glassesforeveryone 25 Nov 2015, 02:38

Very interesting video on measuring prism...

glassesforeveryone 24 Nov 2015, 12:23

I've realised that I think I've always had the deviation, but it's only been diagnosed/dealt with recently.

When I was younger and had been drinking my vision would split. I figured that's what everyone felt like with a few drinks in them. Now I realise that this was my squint manifesting itself.

I do tilt my head a little to the same side in photos... Another sign I guess.

I am interested as to how far it will go eventually, especially the idea of having thick lenses on the outside if I end up with 10 dioptres each eye.

glassesforeveryone 24 Nov 2015, 11:59

Thanks Cactus Jack, that's reassuring.

Cactus Jack 24 Nov 2015, 11:45


Don't worry about anyone noticing the slight displacement caused by the Base Out prism. The actual pupil displacement, which is what people notice about at the eyes is about 0.1 mm per Prism Diopter. With a low plus prescription you would have to wear over about 10 to 15 BO for anyone to notice.

What people tend to notice is the increased outer edge thickness with BO prism, but with most lenses and low index it only amounts to about 1 mm per Prism Diopter increase at the outer edge of the lens, Edge thickness is more noticeable in MINUS lenses than PLUS lenses.

The important thing is to have comfortable vision with both eyes working together at all distances. Difficulty in keeping the two images from your eyes fused is extremely annoying and distracting. If your eye positioning system is having to work extra hard to keep the images fused, particularly when tired, you need to let your ECP know and ask for an increase in your prism correction. You actually have a pretty long way to go before anyone but and ECP or an OO would notice.


glassesforeveryone 24 Nov 2015, 07:06

I have got prism in my glasses. I started at 1 base out in the left eye only.

This progressed to 1 base out each lens and then 2 base out each lens.

I had a test today and have been prescribed 3 base out both eyes.

R +.75, -.25, 21 +1 3 Out

L +1.25, -.5, 165 +1 3 Out

I am a little concerned that people will see that my eyes cross a little. What I did notice is that the machine the optician was using was dialled in at 5 base out in each eye when we had finished that part of the test and I could feel that she was reducing it when asking me to read from the chart, so I wonder what my eyes were saying they wanted? I would imagine they were up at about 8 base out each eye.

I know all the reasons why opticians don't give the full requirement and this time I am happy to be under-prescribed because I don't want to end up obviously cross-eyed.

I am 40. Does anyone have any advice on whether my prism will increase with each visit in the future?

Thanks (also posted on Vision and Spex)

MisterMild 21 Nov 2015, 17:53

An epidemic of myopia:

Melyssa 21 Nov 2015, 09:15


I am rather nearsighted, to say the least, at -9.00. When I was a lot of many decades younger, I read a lot, but I never held the books close. I also played outside a lot, but that did not make my vision better. Even so, I can derisively thank my parents and grandparents for being nearsighted and passing those ancestral aberrations to me. Of course, having about 50 pairs of big, bold, and beautiful glasses, along with a husband who absolutely adores me in them, helps me cope quite a bit. :)

Likelenses 20 Nov 2015, 21:36


Minus six is pretty strong,and without correction you do not see much.

There are different thoughts as to why people become myopic. It is most likely genetic,but there is strong evidence that excessive close work can bring it on,or worsen it.

There is one thing that many believe can help,and that is to pay close attention to close work,and reading habits.You should try to read at no closer than twelve inches,and no closer than twenty inches for computer work,and that wou